The hidden sins of Watchtower

She's more apostate than I am. LOL. I'm the one hanging on to the baby as the bathwater is being thrown out. She's extremely bitter over what WT has done. She does believe the basic truths, but we have a lot of friends including a neighbor who are big into this local church here, and I have to agree with her on this point, they do seem to display Christian love in a lot more of a convincing fashion than JW's. So that has been the struggle. I have to keep telling her, "they believe in the trinity, hell fire, immortal soul," etc and she keeps acting like I'm just saying these things and I don't really know. Then I'm like, "look it up if you don't believe me", then i get "I don't have time" , then I'm like, "if you won't look it up, how can you say 'I don't know if that's true?'" Basically, I'm just trying to manage this train wreck the best way I can, and I have two young kids to boot. But it many many ways, I'm glad to be out of WT. I had gotten too used to keeping the "brothers" at arms length", because I don't trust most of them because they are such busy bodies going off half cocked, and self righteousness.


I was married once before, and after we split up I was having a really tough time. Any way I was shooting pool and I got into a minor argument with a guy I knew and he was getting really aggressive, and I was trying not to get into a fight with the guy, he was an inch from my face trying to provoke me, and I calmly and gently pushed the guy back with one finger in an attempt to deescalate things, and he attacked me, shoved me through a window, and cut my arm really bad, and I had to get stitches. To make a long story short, turns out there was a sister I didn't know, who worked at the hospital, and tried ratting me out to the elders, so one of the elders takes in on himself to "investigate me". The biggest irony to that, was I had seen his 12 year old son at a guys house who lived up the road from me, smoking pot with another brothers son. I did what we are supposed to do, which was told those kids they needed to come clean and tell their parents what they had done. The little brats tried to throw me under the bus, denied they had smoked pot and claimed I offered them beer. (I had offered to let the older boy taste my beer, he was 14 since I was drinking a Guinness, nothing more, and he knew it.) I was forced to face the little liars in front of their whole families, both families, both parents and both boys had sisters and I'm not joking they tried to ambush me, which didn't work out to well for them, I said in a loud voice, "so you weren't smoking pot?" I paused and said it again, even more forcefully, and the two of them bowed there heads and shook their heads yes. I said, "that's what I thought." And I turned around and walked out. The slime ball elder, followed me outside, and asked me about getting hurt and the stitches etc, and wanted to know why I hadn't told the elders about it. I told him, "cause I didn't do anything wrong." He then proceeded to tell me, he talked to the owner, blah blah ..he told me himself what he'd done. After a few seconds of me maintaining I hadn't done anything wrong, I finally said to him, "Look, when I do something wrong you won't have to hear about it from someone else." And I got I my car and drove off. I guarantee you both his kids left the truth. (LOL, I wasn't planning on writing all that, it just kinda happened! This all happened the same weekend we found out my brother had killed himself.) While I'm on this subject, I might as well say this., My ex cheated on me...I knew she was but she refused to admit it. I finally kicked her out without knowing if I'd ever be free scripturally to re-marry. She was such a liar it was remarkable. Any way, that's another story. But after we split up, and I think she had admitted it at the time the following happened...this one sister asked me, "where's your wife?" Not that it was any of her business, but I knew she was going to find out so what's the point in not answering, so I just said, "we split up." This "sister' says to me, "Shame on you." Mind you she knew NOTHING about us, nothing about what was going on...didn't know she'd been DF'd and turned over on appeal over something else, but shouldn't have because she was cheating on me then, but I didn't know it at the time.

And I could go on, and on and on...any way...some things I definitely do not miss...LOL!
We had a brother Poole in our congregation. Fortunately no one ever shot him, even though shooting Poole seems a regular pastime in the States. Anyway, such is culture. I feel for your past Nomex. You write it so well that it appears humorous but I’m sure it covers over a great deal of pain. You have done well to keep a perspective on it that works for you and have survived. After some twenty years or so of gentle reminders about the miracles of our existence and makeup, my dear wife is beginning to think more deeply about things. Scripture is easily argued over, creation, less so, but they are on the same pathway and the wonders of it can not so easily be dismissed or argued over. The appreciation of Jehovah can be illustrated without cause for argument. There is more than one way to “shoot Poole “!
 
She's more apostate than I am. LOL. I'm the one hanging on to the baby as the bathwater is being thrown out. She's extremely bitter over what WT has done. She does believe the basic truths, but we have a lot of friends including a neighbor who are big into this local church here, and I have to agree with her on this point, they do seem to display Christian love in a lot more of a convincing fashion than JW's. So that has been the struggle. I have to keep telling her, "they believe in the trinity, hell fire, immortal soul," etc and she keeps acting like I'm just saying these things and I don't really know. Then I'm like, "look it up if you don't believe me", then i get "I don't have time" , then I'm like, "if you won't look it up, how can you say 'I don't know if that's true?'" Basically, I'm just trying to manage this train wreck the best way I can, and I have two young kids to boot. But it many many ways, I'm glad to be out of WT. I had gotten too used to keeping the "brothers" at arms length", because I don't trust most of them because they are such busy bodies going off half cocked, and self righteousness.


I was married once before, and after we split up I was having a really tough time. Any way I was shooting pool and I got into a minor argument with a guy I knew and he was getting really aggressive, and I was trying not to get into a fight with the guy, he was an inch from my face trying to provoke me, and I calmly and gently pushed the guy back with one finger in an attempt to deescalate things, and he attacked me, shoved me through a window, and cut my arm really bad, and I had to get stitches. To make a long story short, turns out there was a sister I didn't know, who worked at the hospital, and tried ratting me out to the elders, so one of the elders takes in on himself to "investigate me". The biggest irony to that, was I had seen his 12 year old son at a guys house who lived up the road from me, smoking pot with another brothers son. I did what we are supposed to do, which was told those kids they needed to come clean and tell their parents what they had done. The little brats tried to throw me under the bus, denied they had smoked pot and claimed I offered them beer. (I had offered to let the older boy taste my beer, he was 14 since I was drinking a Guinness, nothing more, and he knew it.) I was forced to face the little liars in front of their whole families, both families, both parents and both boys had sisters and I'm not joking they tried to ambush me, which didn't work out to well for them, I said in a loud voice, "so you weren't smoking pot?" I paused and said it again, even more forcefully, and the two of them bowed there heads and shook their heads yes. I said, "that's what I thought." And I turned around and walked out. The slime ball elder, followed me outside, and asked me about getting hurt and the stitches etc, and wanted to know why I hadn't told the elders about it. I told him, "cause I didn't do anything wrong." He then proceeded to tell me, he talked to the owner, blah blah ..he told me himself what he'd done. After a few seconds of me maintaining I hadn't done anything wrong, I finally said to him, "Look, when I do something wrong you won't have to hear about it from someone else." And I got I my car and drove off. I guarantee you both his kids left the truth. (LOL, I wasn't planning on writing all that, it just kinda happened! This all happened the same weekend we found out my brother had killed himself.) While I'm on this subject, I might as well say this., My ex cheated on me...I knew she was but she refused to admit it. I finally kicked her out without knowing if I'd ever be free scripturally to re-marry. She was such a liar it was remarkable. Any way, that's another story. But after we split up, and I think she had admitted it at the time the following happened...this one sister asked me, "where's your wife?" Not that it was any of her business, but I knew she was going to find out so what's the point in not answering, so I just said, "we split up." This "sister' says to me, "Shame on you." Mind you she knew NOTHING about us, nothing about what was going on...didn't know she'd been DF'd and turned over on appeal over something else, but shouldn't have because she was cheating on me then, but I didn't know it at the time.

And I could go on, and on and on...any way...some things I definitely do not miss...LOL!
Jesus told us that the truth would set us free :love:
A sister visited me yesterday for some advice, she'd heard through the grapevine that I didn't approve of the GB pushing the injections. She took 2 and has been really sick since taking the first one. All of her lymph nodes swelled right up within hours of getting injected, and have never gone back down and the doctors don't know what's causing it and are continually feeding her antibiotics. She didn't want to get the 2nd one and went to the elders about how sick the injection made her but was told that she was to stop telling people about how the injection affected her and that we should be following what the GB say because the bible says we should do what the government tells us to do if it's not breaking God's laws. Anyway, the poor sister is in a terrible state mentally and spiritually. She's been looking at (so called) "apostate" things online in order to try and find out what's going on but feels super guilty about it. She says so many in the congregations are sick, young ones too. That's another reason I can't go back to the hall, I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut!
 
It's true that The Watchtower as an organisation is guilty of covering up CSA, but 95% of the individuals are innocent and most of them are even unaware that it happens.
( Having said that , I am not in a hurry to go back and associate with them due to my medical disorder:
A pathological inability to tolerate fools.)
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Jesus told us that the truth would set us free :love:
A sister visited me yesterday for some advice, she'd heard through the grapevine that I didn't approve of the GB pushing the injections. She took 2 and has been really sick since taking the first one. All of her lymph nodes swelled right up within hours of getting injected, and have never gone back down and the doctors don't know what's causing it and are continually feeding her antibiotics. She didn't want to get the 2nd one and went to the elders about how sick the injection made her but was told that she was to stop telling people about how the injection affected her and that we should be following what the GB say because the bible says we should do what the government tells us to do if it's not breaking God's laws. Anyway, the poor sister is in a terrible state mentally and spiritually. She's been looking at (so called) "apostate" things online in order to try and find out what's going on but feels super guilty about it. She says so many in the congregations are sick, young ones too. That's another reason I can't go back to the hall, I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut!
It was good of you to help her. The sister clearly needs a friend - sounds like the Holy Spirit is knocking on your door!!
 
It was good of you to help her. The sister clearly needs a friend - sounds like the Holy Spirit is knocking on your door!!
It does! But, Satan is still knocking on my door every now and then too 😂 an elders wife who accused me of apostasy when I first met her a couple of years ago when the cart work started back up again. She told me to stop talking to her and to go away from her, just because I said I was very confused about the GB suddenly doing a 180 on their usual stance on medical stuff and copying the worldly authorities. I thought it was a reasonable point, but she did not! She moved into my congregation during lockdown. The elders must've given her my address and asked her to "check up" on me and report back to them!! Anyway, I shall be sending some of Robert's articles to the anxious sister who visited me to help her see that Jehovah is going to hold the Watchtower accountable for what they've done to his sheep. I'm so grateful for this forum, I really am 😍
 
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