The mark OF the beast....The Star of Saturn?

Cristo

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PART I​
Part II
Part III and continuation of Part III
Part IV and continuation of Part IV
Part V and continuation of Part V
Part VI


I believe there was a quote on this forum that stated “in a world full of lies, the truth will always be a conspiracy”. How true that is, especially when it comes to truths from the Bible, and future prophecies yet to be fulfilled.

The mark of the beast, the focus of this post, has been an extremely controversial topic, and much speculation has been brought forth to try and identify just exactly what it is. Until the actual prophecy occurs we can only hypothesize as to its true meaning. Fortunately, history has left us with many clues to help us in this examination.

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So lets hypothesize…

One of the most common questions related to these verses is, is it a spiritual mark only seen by God and the angels?

(Re 13:18) “. . .Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast,
for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.”​

If this is merely a spiritual mark, how can man calculate anything spiritual? Mankind is unable to see the spiritual realm, or calculate anything of measure within it. How does wisdom, or intelligence benefit one who is calculating the mark of the beast, if it is only visible in the spiritual world?

Address666.jpgThe actual real number 666 is no more evil than 45, or 8576, or any real number man can count to. It’s just a number. Having a license plate with 666XYZ, or an address of 666 Main St., doesn’t make the car or house evil, does it? Of course not. Therefore, because Revelations was written in symbols and images, the number itself must be represented symbolically by something that can be calculated to six hundred and sixty-six.

Scriptures tell us that the whole world will be required to accept the mark, in order to buy or sell. Buying and selling is a description of something done in the physical world. If the mark was simply spiritual, I don’t know of any grocery store that can read the spiritual nature of a person. Of course, this isn’t proof of a physical mark, but if it was merely spiritual, how would the beast system prevent people from physically buying or selling, if they could not see an actual mark?

Perhaps the biggest clue that we have to help decipher whether the mark is a spiritual mark, is this short phrase ‘it is a mans number’. This leads me to wonder, if it is a mans number, then what isn’t a mans number? Well, something spiritual, something that we cannot see, something within the angelic realm. Since it is a mans number, we must therefore be able to see it, to calculate it, and to measure it in some way, for why else would God give us that little detail within the prophecy if he wanted us to think it was spiritual?

Also, taking into account that the beast requires this mark on all humans, or be faced with certain death, how would those doing the killing know whether one had accepted the mark, if it was just a spiritual one in nature? What good is the mark to those forcing it upon mankind, if they are unable to see who have accepted it, or not?

This is NOT a mark from Jehovah identifying those who have accepted Satan as their God, but rather, quite the opposite. This is a mark required by Satan through his earthly representatives, as it literally is a mark OF the beast. Satan isn't himself giving the mark, the people who represent him are, his proxy on earth. Accepting the physical mark OF the beast will symbolize a person choosing to accept the devil as their God. Because Satans earthly representatives cannot read a persons spiritual nature, a physical mark will be forced upon the person, by the beast system, showing that they now represent Satan, and accept him as the solution to mankinds problems. This sin against the Holy Spirit is what condemns all those who accept the mark to permanent death. Just as the Pharisees committed the unforgivable sin by not putting faith in Jesus Christ, so too, will those who accept the mark OF the beast not be putting faith in the chosen ones who represent Jesus Christ during his presence.

Now, can Satan mark mankind physically? No, he is a spirit, and Jehovah limited his ability to interact within the physical world. Can humans mark another spiritually? No, we do not posses the ability to mark another human in a spiritual nature, seen only by the spiritual realm. These axioms of truth highlight why the mark of the beast must be physical in nature. Because Satans beast system, in the physical world, will be forcing the mark on mankind, the mark MUST be of a physical means. Combined with the other reasoning points above, a stronger hypothesis can be made regarding the true nature of the mark OF the beast.

Inkhorn.jpgUnlike in Ezekiel’s vision of the man clothed in linen, who spiritually marked those who were sighing and groaning over all the detestable things being done in Jerusalem, the mark OF the beast is a mark given from Satan through his earthly representatives(mankind), who rule the world during that time in the near future. It is not a spiritual mark from Jehovah identifying those who follow the beast, but rather a physical mark denoting acceptance of the Satanic system, and its God, as the source of that mark.

Only when we look at the prophecy from this frame of reference, that the mark ‘OF’ the beast is physical, can we hope to calculate what it means. How can history help us examine this prophecy to gain more insight into understanding the physical, and satanic nature of this mark?

To begin, it’s critical to understand what it means to represent someone, or something.


To Represent: be entitled or appointed to act or speak for (someone), especially in an official capacity.


Rev 13:4“And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast…”.​


It’s clear for all to see that Satan has authorized the kingdoms of the world, the beast system, to be his physical agents on earth to act in his behalf, to be his mouthpiece and speak for him, inducing people to ultimately worship him. Unable to physically manifest himself, Satan must use a physical proxy to sway mankind to the dark side. History has left us a vast repository of information that we can use to see how these representatives of Satan, and thus Satan himself, will lead mankind to accept the mark OF the beast.

Breaking down the phrase ‘the mark OF the beast’ and what that means, is a critical step in understanding what it is. So, what exactly is it a mark OF? What is the beast?

The mark, is a mark of the eighth and final king, symbolized in the Bible as the beast ascending out of the sea with ten horns, and seven heads. Each head a kingdom, representing Satans system over Gods people throughout biblical history. These kingdoms are:WorldPowers.jpg

  • Egypt
  • Assyria
  • Babylon
  • Medo-Persia
  • Greece
  • Rome
  • Anglo-America

The eighth, and final king, springs from the other seven prior to it(Rev 17:11), and thus takes on characteristics from each of the seven kingdoms that have ruled mankind. Essentially, the seven kingdoms were the foundation upon which the eighth king culminates his existence. The seven kingdoms help us to see the preparation Satan needed to eventually compel the entire world to receive his mark.

Because the eighth king has taken on certain characteristics of the other kingdoms, the mark will most likely also represent something from each of the prior kingdoms, for it is a mark OF the beast. The history, and cultures of these seven kingdoms, provides us with a roadmap of sorts that shows us the path Satan has taken to bring about his final coup of mankind.

For the past 6000 years, throughout each of the seven kingdoms of the beast, Satan has been laying a groundwork of false gods to represent him, to speak for him, to coerce, and soon, to force the world to receive his mark. We must therefore look to this foundation of false gods, represented by the images and symbols that the ancients worshipped, to more clearly identify how Satan has prepared mankind for the mark of the beast, and to help us identify how we may calculate its number.

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SusanB

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The actual real number 666 is no more evil than 45, or 8576, or any real number man can count to. It’s just a number. Having a license plate with 666XYZ, or an address of 666 Main St., doesn’t make the car or house evil, does it? Of course not. Nor would having 666 dollars in the bank make your account evil. Therefore, because Revelations was written in symbols and images, the number itself must be represented symbolically by something that can be calculated to six hundred and sixty-six.
It’s interesting to consider. I do believe it will be some sort of physical mark. One reason being that it is listed as one of 3 things at Revelation 13:17 where it says that nobody can buy or sell except if the person has 1) the mark, 2) the name of the wild beast, or 3) the number of its name. That indicates to me that it can come in 3 different forms. The mark is listed as something in addition to worship at Revelation 14:9, 14:11, 16:2, 19:20 and 20:4. Plus worldly people love to show physical tattoos, piercings and the like to demonstrate their allegiance to causes.
 
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evw

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Thank you Cristo; a really intriguing concept and I look forward to part two. Because I always thought that it had to be a physical mark, but by asking/suggesting I was 'mouthtight' and reprimanded 'not to think for myself, but follow the GB'. (as I couldn't do that Jehovah sent me here, after a lot of praying to satisfy my hunger,)
 

Cristo

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It’s interesting to consider. I do believe it will be some sort of physical mark. One reason being that it is listed as one of 3 things at Revelation 13:17 where it says that nobody can buy or sell except if the person has 1) the mark, 2) the name of the wild beast, or 3) the number of its name. That indicates to me that it can come in 3 different forms. The mark is listed as something in addition to worship at Revelation 14:9, 14:11, 16:2, 19:20 and 20:4. Plus worldly people love to show physical tattoos, piercings and the like to demonstrate their allegiance to causes.
Hi Driven...appreciate the follow up. I have taken the liberty to post the verses you mention for reference, for future use to quickly goto if necessary. I appreciate the scriptural support.

(Re 14:9) “. . .And another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand,”

(Re 14:11) “. . .And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. . .”

(Re 16:2) “. . .And the first one went off and poured out his bowl into the earth. And a hurtful and malignant ulcer came to be upon the men that had the mark of the wild beast and that were worshiping its image.”

(Re 19:20)20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. . . .”

(Re 20:4) “. . .And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. . .”

The mark of the beast is one of two things: the name of the wild beast OR the number of its name.

(Re 13:17) “. . .that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.”

English Standard Version
so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

New American Standard Bible
and he decrees that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

New Revised Standard Version
so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.


The focus of my research will be based upon the number, however if anybody has insight or ideas into what the name could signify, please put them forward.
 
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Ireneo

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hello very good topic
it is true it is evident that there is something physical
It is true that taking the brand would show a spiritual deficiency
but the mark will be seen and MEASURED
In order to control who has it and if it can be sold or bought worldwide, a brand check structure is also necessary.
it is evident that the check structure precedes the mark
I personally think that is what they are trying right now
 

SusanB

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Hi Driven...appreciate the follow up. I have taken the liberty to post the verses you mention for reference, for future use to quickly goto if necessary. I appreciate the scriptural support.



The mark of the beast is one of two things: the name of the wild beast OR the number of its name.

(Re 13:17) “. . .that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.”

English Standard Version
so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

New American Standard Bible
and he decrees that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

New Revised Standard Version
so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.


The focus of my research will be based upon the number, however if anybody has insight or ideas into what the name could signify, please put them forward.
Great translations to clarify.
 

DR74minus

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It seems like a no-brainer to me that the mark of the beast is not a literal mark. ie: it is symbolic. In Rev-13, Jehovah informs us that the image of the wild beast has the authority to kill all who do not worship it ( the Image ) It also has the authority to compel whomever to get the mark. Jehovah also tells us that those who do not have the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell. Does the fact that Jehovah tells us to make calculations about 666, mean that the mark is literal or something else ? That would depend on our wisdom and insight prehaps? Maybe only logic and sound reasoning is enough? The mark of the beast is about as literal as, the names that the 144,000 have written on their foreheads. Oh you say that is literal names too? Right or wrong those are my thoughts.
 

SingleCell

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Great post Cristo!

To add to your initial reasoning, a physical or spiritual mark... why do we "calculate" the number when it is 666?

In a sense I feel like we gloss over the illogical component of this statement in the same way trinitarians gloss over John 1.

If the number is 666 we don't need to calculate anything.

Crypto-graphy is required. Crypt, hidden, secret. Calculation.

A global digital cryptographic economic system whereby non-compliance bars transaction.

The hour of test.

Spiritual and physical, in the same way the kingdom was in the apostle's midst, but was also far way.

The vax-maniacs showed their hand to what is coming; all they need is a global digital cryptographic economic system.
 
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DR74minus

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Prehaps it is fashionable for people, even professed worshipers of Jehovah to latch on to whatever narrative is going around. Even adopt the thinking? Some have been sucked into, maybe even aligning themselves with the fake stories that are promoted by the ones they trust and who they know and like? Maybe it is a romantic thing? The world is pushing a digital ID invisible to the naked eye, also a possible implant under the skin. That must mean the 666 is literal and physical ? I’m sure some on this forum are aware that people do not need to have a physical name or mark to identify as part of a particular crowd? My thinking is that those who are aligned with, or who show allegiance to the image of the wild beast. ie: their allegiance is the identifying mark. Worshipers of Jehovah will not be able to buy or sell, not because they don't have a literal mark, but because they will not comply and show allegiance to the Image of the wild beast.
 
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Jahrule

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I don't think it being physical or spiritual are mutually exclusive propositions. Even if it is a physical mark it still symbolically identifies you as belonging to the world. It doesn't matter if it's a tattoo, a computer chip, a barcode, a contract, an oath, a debt card, blockchain ID, or whatever, if taking it is a rejection of God's kingdom you should avoid taking it. It's that simple.

Just because it's "spiritual" in nature doesn't mean it can't be calculated. That's a must. We must be able to calculate it and know what we're doing. You can't accept the mark by accident. Somebody can't sneak in your room one night and mark you. It doesn't work like that. It has to be you. You're gonna know what you're doing. Everyone, even unbelievers will know accepting XYZ is a rejection of God's then established kingdom.

Of course it cannot be calculated right now; we don't know what it is yet. Obviously it will have a physical aspect, but that doesn't mean the tribulation is going to pan out like a Kirk Cameron movie. The MOTB might be a computer chip. It might even be something simple like a contract or a pledge of allegiance. Something can be physical without being literal. Jesus marks his people too. He draws his name on their foreheads. I don't think that means Christ plans on returning to the Mount of Olives with a Sharpie.
 

SusanB

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I don't think it being physical or spiritual are mutually exclusive propositions. Even if it is a physical mark it still symbolically identifies you as belonging to the world. It doesn't matter if it's a tattoo, a computer chip, a barcode, a contract, an oath, a debt card, blockchain ID, or whatever, if taking it is a rejection of God's kingdom you should avoid taking it. It's that simple.

Just because it's "spiritual" in nature doesn't mean it can't be calculated. That's a must. We must be able to calculate it and know what we're doing. You can't accept the mark by accident. Somebody can't sneak in your room one night and mark you. It doesn't work like that. It has to be you. You're gonna know what you're doing. Everyone, even unbelievers will know accepting XYZ is a rejection of God's then established kingdom.

Of course it cannot be calculated right now; we don't know what it is yet. Obviously it will have a physical aspect, but that doesn't mean the tribulation is going to pan out like a Kirk Cameron movie. The MOTB might be a computer chip. It might even be something simple like a contract or a pledge of allegiance. Something can be physical without being literal. Jesus marks his people too. He draws his name on their foreheads. I don't think that means Christ plans on returning to the Mount of Olives with a Sharpie.
There is a difference between the mark of the beast as compared to having Jesus’ name written on a person. Jesus name is written by Jesus and so that must be spiritual not literal but the mark of the beast is something physical people, who are involved in worshipping the beast, receive. It’s described in a different way.
 

evw

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My discourse on the name of the Beast:
Ref. 13:2-3 states: “Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave [the beast] his power and his throne and great authority. "And one of its heads, I saw, seemed to have been slain to death, but it was healed of its deadly blow, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration."
Being (if I have understood Robert's lectures correctly, if not please correct me) The British Empire; and the dragon being Satan.
Ref. 13:4 then says: 'And they worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the wild beast, and they worshiped the wild beast, saying: 'Who is like to the wild beast, and who can fight against him? ”
Being satan, of which The British Empire is its executive organization on earth;
public 13:5-7 continues: “And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to act for forty-two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his abode, yea, those who dwell in heaven. And it was given to him to make war against the saints and to overcome them, and to him was given authority over every tribe and people and language and nation.”
Ref. 13:11-13: And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began to speak like a dragon.12 And it exercises all the authority of the first wild beast before its eyes. And it causes the earth and those who dwell therein to worship the first wild beast, which was healed of its deadly blow.13 And it performs great miracles, so that it even causes fire to come down from heaven to the earth in the sight of men .

The 2-horned wild beast being the UN and 8th king, who gets all authority from The British Empire, to follow their (Satan's) directives and thus carry out the laws and rules of Satan.
So could the Name of the Beast be: The British Empire?
 

Cristo

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(Part 2)​

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The Rabbit Hole…

Rabbit Hole.jpegFirst off, digging into ancient cultures, and their beliefs, is a rabbit hole of information that is most certainly overwhelming for anyone considering such an endeavor. Each kingdom, whether it was Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian… etc, had their own system of gods and goddesses in which they worshipped, and their own interpretation of how that worship was done.

This of course by design from Satan, for what better way to mislead people, and draw them away from the true God than by creating a labyrinth of beliefs, ever changing by the society in which the story of God, and creation, is told. This ultimately translates into traditions, and beliefs within a culture that the majority of people don’t perceive why they worship, or celebrate holidays, or give honor to a god or goddess, they simply accept it as a normal part of everyday life.

Christmas is the perfect example of how unwitting those who celebrate it truly are. Tied together with different beliefs and customs, from many of the ancient kingdoms, Christmas is looked upon as a normal part of life for a large part of the world. Never-mind that the origin of Christmas is associated with the worship of false gods, the rabbit hole from the surface appears to be innocuous, yet underneath there is a wide network of false religious beliefs that ultimately leads to a false god.

However, as confusing and deep a hole it can be, this rabbit hole must eventually funnel down into original false gods, beliefs, and traditions that each kingdom used, as the source material for their interpretation of their own gods. We can find the beginning of these stories from the Bible where we encounter the first mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah, Nimrod.

(Ge 10:9) “He displayed himself a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah.…””.​

Interestingly, the same word describing Nimrod as being mighty, is the same used to to describe the Nephilim as mighty.

(Ge 6:4) “The Nephilim proved to be in the earth …they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.”

The fact that the same word is used to describe a hybrid race of mankind, the Nephilim, and the first opposer to Jehovah, Nimrod, gives cause to consider the Nephilim a bit closer.

The men of fame, the Nephilim, were no doubt a prominent part of pre-flood culture, for they possessed qualities that were, most likely, unexplainable to normal man. Mankind from that time period must have looked at them with awe, and no doubt fear, as the Nephilim did whatever it was they wanted, and the world was filled with violence because of them. No doubt the angels who had taken on a human body, and who fathered the Nephilim, played a major role in civilization during that time, perhaps even teaching their offspring how to force mankind to worship them.

There isn’t much information that can be gleaned from the little that the Bible account gives us. Because of this we must speculate what it may have been like, based off of what we know. What we know is that fallen angels forsook their proper dwelling place in heaven, took as many women as they wanted, and that they most certainly wanted to be worshipped as gods. Although it cannot be proven, it is quite possible that these men of ‘fame’, the Nephilim, were the first ones to be worshipped by mankind, perhaps even under force of death. In researching these verses, it was incredibly interesting to find that when it describes the Nephilim as the ‘men of fame’, it literally means men of ‘name’.

Although the Nephilim seem to be portrayed as oversized bullies, it is highly likely they were incredibly intelligent, as they were offspring of the fallen angels.
Although the Nephilim seem to be portrayed as oversized bullies, it is highly likely they were incredibly intelligent, as they were offspring of the fallen angels.​


What better way for the wicked fallen angels to receive that worship for themselves, than to give their hybrid human son their own angelic name, or perhaps a derivation of it, thus making the Nephilim the men of fame/name. This theory does stand up to reasoning when we consider that at Daniel 10:13 the realm of Persia apparently represents a demonic prince called by the same name. Therefore, the fallen angels may have used the Nephilim, their own sons, to represent them in the physical world. If the demonic princess name nations after themselves, why not their own offspring?

This brings a new meaning to the mighty ones of old, and the saying ‘like father, like son’, does it not? Of course this is entirely speculative in nature, but fascinating to consider none the less. Besides taking any woman they chose, the fallen angels most certainly intended to create themselves as gods for mankind to worship. It is quite possible that it was at this moment in earths history the the fallen angels gave mankind the hidden wisdom, or the so-called 'sacred knowledge', that the angels would use to mislead mankind into idol worship.

To support this idea, we need to merely look at astrology, and the zodiac. Depending on when one is born, a zodiac is assigned to a certain month of the year. According to what zodiac sign a person has, their personality is supposed to be determined by the time of the year they were born. It is a scientific truth that the sun, and moon, have gravitational effects on the earth. It is also quite possible that during pregnancy, these gravitational forces can affect the way a persons traits and characteristics are formed during their time in the womb, their core personality. Of course if this is true, it is simply because Jehovah created us with this in mind, and this was his way of creating a diverse range of personalities, and traits, within his creation.

Zodiac.jpgGranting that this is true, the wide range of mankinds personalities would merely be a scientific phenomenon, explainable through the gravitational effect on dna, and the synapsis of the brain, during formation in the womb. However, the people of the world during the time of the Nephilim would not have known this scientific truth. Being that the angles took on human form, it is very possible that this is when they took that creative truth of gravitational forces affecting mankind in the womb, and twisted it, creating the zodiac of astrology, and the basic formula for all that it now entails. Instead of giving credit to Jehovah for our diverse personalities, credit is now given to the stars and planets within creation themselves, which ultimately leads to idolatrous planet and star worship.
 
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Cristo

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(continued)​

By taking a truth of creation, and twisting it to become the zodiac, the uninformed people at that time were easily manipulated, and astrology was born. The fallen angels would now receive worship through the ‘sacred knowledge’ that they had given to mankind. Using their knowledge of creative truths, and astronomy, the fallen angels distorted the truth in order to transcend themselves to godlike status with mankind, and in doing so, became the source of the hidden knowledge, the ‘so called’ light, that even to this very day is practiced by a wicked, and deceived world.

Imagine the fallen angels hearing Noah tell the people of the world at that time, that God was going to destroy the world with a flood. Even though the people of the world did not believe Noah, the fallen angels most certainly did. Was astrology the fallen angels answer to retaining that worship they had while on earth? It would seem so. Astrology is essentially star worship, a pseudoscientific study of the planets and stars that make up the cosmos. Given that it took 120 years for Noah to complete the ark, this would have been ample time for the fallen angels to create this ingenious lie, and teach mankind how to find them 'in the stars', or the heavens, from where they originally came.

Of course, only God and the angels know what kind of ‘knowledge’ the fallen angels may have given mankind when they were in their materialized bodies. Did they give them a higher form of math that allowed a clearer understanding of scientific principles within the forces of nature? Did they give them a knowledge of the spiritual realm, to help them communicate with the wicked forces, to perpetuate the lie that mankind lives after death?

We must realize, that during this time, the fallen angels had a direct interaction with humankind, person to person, so of course they did everything they could to sow the seeds of worship, by creating a system of worship that would elevate the fallen angels to God status.

Once God flooded the earth, the demonic horde no longer had direct physical access to mankind. It is possible that through Cush, some of the sacred or secret knowledge, given by the fallen angels, was brought through the flood. This brings us back to Nimrod, the grandson of Cush, who, being in opposition to God, reintroduced the world to false worship. Acquainted with the 'sacred knowledge' given by the angels, passed down through Cush, Nimrod began using this knowledge to again worship the fallen angels. In doing so, he was rewarded with fame, influence, and power, and of course worship. For as the people worshipped him, ultimately they were worshipping the source of his fame and power, the fallen angels, and thus Nimrod came to be in opposition to God.

the Bible states regarding Nimrod (Ge 10:8) “. . .He made the start in becoming a mighty one in the earth.” Because the same word to describe the Nephilim as mighty, is also given to Nimrod, we must conclude that he made the start of acting godlike to mankind, to becoming famous, and idolized, just as the Nephilim had been. Through the use of the 'sacred knowledge' that he had gained from his grandfather, he influenced the people of that world to follow him.

I'm certain each one reading this understands the power that this 'sacred knowledge' has over mankind, and the effects it has caused since its creation. Along with mankinds imperfect state, and sinful nature, it turned the entire world into one of violence and wickedness. So much so, that Jehovah felt he needed to destroy the world with a flood, due to its corruption. Now consider, that within only a few generations(although they were a tad longer back then) after the flood occurred, the sacred knowledge had once again, influenced mankind to rebel against God, to build the tower of Babel in defiance, and to give the rightful worship and honor due God to a man, Nimrod.

Thus Jehovah, a second time, felt the need to disrupt humanities course. Although, the changing of languages was not nearly as catastrophic as the flood was to mankind, it had a pronounced effect on the way each language assimilated further knowledge, and communicated with one another on a personal level. With the division of humanity along linguistic lines of communication, also came the division of religious beliefs and customs, of myths and legends, of gods and goddesses.

However, within that confusion of languages, and customs, and beliefs, there was one aspect, one facet, that remained constant within each and every one of the different languages and nations that were born. Star worship. The ingenious lie created by satan and his legion to mislead and sway mankind away from the true God Jehovah. It is within that star worship, through the many gods and goddesses, that we see the mark of the beast begin to take on its early forms, as the conception of the seven headed beast begins. Through the worship of the stars, and more specifically through the worship of the planets, we begin to unravel the mystery of the mark of the beast, and God willing, calculate the number of its name.

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Yupyup_yup

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I'm enjoying the thread thank you for posting it...

Most certainly the mark is both Physical and Symbolic

And they both act on physical man and spiritual man differently...

- A Physical person would allow anything to happen to them and others, under the mere suggestion of the government and the consensus of others or what the religious leaders around them say. They would be hands on deck not thinking of God at all

- A Spiritual person would 1st pray to their Heavenly Father and think research and make decisions based upon their Faith, knowledge of The Bible and not allow anything to interfere with their Love and Relationship with God

A spiritual man may not be allowed to buy anything because his conscience will not allow him to go along with Satan system

A physical man would gladly accept a Physical mark that would include himself in being in satan system in order to receive its rewards even buying, selling, going on vacations and traveling or even eating in a restaurant not losing their job. - wanting "a normal life" more than living by God's standards They would gladly accept a physical mark for acceptance of this world.... Just like a person who'd accept a jacket to be in a club or gang

Physical man isn't complete towards God They wouldn't even think about Him they would just go with the flow

Spiritual men conscience would not allow him even if it was very very bad for him Leaving them in God's protection - PS 91

During the time of the end it would be very noticeable and there would be no mixture of them

Just like Daniel and his friends(Spiritual) refusing to do the one act of worship (physical) and being thrown into the fire

When the mark comes if it has not already a physical man will be on deck fully in with whatever this system wants to do with them
 
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Jahrule

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There is a difference between the mark of the beast as compared to having Jesus’ name written on a person. Jesus name is written by Jesus and so that must be spiritual not literal but the mark of the beast is something physical people, who are involved in worshipping the beast, receive. It’s described in a different way.
I believe that it can be literal but that it doesn't have to be. There are plenty of ways to mark ourselves as belonging to God's Kingdom or belonging to Satan's Kingdom. At the end of the day that's what the marking is all about. Which kingdom do you support? If you support the 8th King, perhaps that will come with a literal mark. Everybody expects that, though. Christendom has been saying it was a literal mark since I was a child. Maybe they're right and the Government plans to put computer chips in everybody. But a mark by itself means nothing without a spiritual aspect. It must be an act of worship or something to the wild beast, or at least anything that could be interpreted as an act of worship. That could take many forms. So I advise against working with the 8th King in any way. No computer chips, no NWO bank cards, no 8th Kingdom digital currencies, no compromising with that Government in any manner. Just because they aren't offering you a literal mark doesn't mean what they want from you won't mark you as belonging to them. Be careful and use discernment.
 
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