The mark OF the beast....The Star of Saturn?

Carl

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Some have said that the mark is symbolic, but perhaps it won't be?

Jehovah had the Israelites put fringe on their garments, and get circumcised and both of those made them stand out as different.

I think the MOTB could be visible just based on how they treated COVID: the masks were a visible virtue signal of compliance and Bill Gates has a vaccine patch now instead of injection, and the patch has invisible glow-in-the-dark luciferase ink in it to tell who has gotten vaccinated or not.

Cities have installed purple light bulbs all over the U S in street lamps and parking lights so I think keeping an open mind to the pissibilt7 of a visible mark of some sort makes good sense.

Of course, I could be wrong, and I am aware that there are references in scripture to symbolic marks in the past, but I am open to seeing if WT is wrong on this one.
It's probably a little of both; people who pledge allegiance to the NWO/8th king will receive the goodies Satan promises them... and those who don't will go without. People will probably be forced to get a universal ID with a chip that allows them to buy & sell, and on this ID there will most likely be satanic symbols. Satan wants to be openly worshipped, so he won't hide anymore. The people who take his mark will know they're worshipping Satan. Then we'll learn his true name. Once people side with him, their hearts will be changed and they'll hate those who today they love, because they'll see them as an enemy against their god.
 

Yupyup_yup

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Not having the mark will not prevent people from buying or selling. The beast will. It might be something as simple as signing a pledge of allegiance or an oath of loyalty in order to get your monthly stipend of crypto or whatever.
Act of fealty/worship to the beast

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Whatever it is it'll has to be visible so that a business vendor who you're trying to make a purchase from can confirm visibly that it is okay to sell you something...

Most likely an act of fealty that it's found in the blood... where life is

Literally like an act of fealty injected into blood or body

History has already confirmed that WHO jabs have this type of ability, anyone living through 2021 knows it

It's fruitage Is.... its SADs and malignant ulcers (cancers)

Re 16:2

It could be something else but honestly we don't have to look any further all the criteria are met
 

Ana

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The question is than "how can something symbolic prevent you from buying or selling something?"
Porque da igual la forma en la que quieran ponerte la marca, será el símbolo que Jehova necesita ver. A eso se la llama simbólico. Que te la ponga simboliza que estás en contra de Jehová. El símbolo es indistinto, su significado simbólico no.
 

StopTheInsanity

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Act of fealty/worship to the beast

💯

Whatever it is it'll has to be visible so that a business vendor who you're trying to make a purchase from can confirm visibly that it is okay to sell you something...

Most likely an act of fealty that it's found in the blood... where life is

Literally like an act of fealty injected into blood or body

History has already confirmed that WHO jabs have this type of ability, anyone living through 2021 knows it

It's fruitage Is.... its SADs and malignant ulcers (cancers)

Re 16:2

It could be something else but honestly we don't have to look any further all the criteria are met
What is fealty?
 

StopTheInsanity

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During COVID, some countries were issuing vaccine passports that people had to show in order to get into grocery stores and restaurants. There were videos going around showing German police officers going into a restaurant and checking patron's vaccine passports of those who were seated and dining. I think COVID was a test run for the next pandemic where they will roll out even tighter controls.

"Testing, tracking, tracing". That was Nancy Pelosi's refrain.

They have set up a world wide panopticon surveillance camera system. That's what the beast system will be. The "internet of bodies" will be able to tract, trace and surveille every man, woman and child in the WORLD. The digital dollar will be tracable and programmable. That's why they want to roll it out worldwide. Just like in China.
 

Jahrule

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The question is than "how can something symbolic prevent you from buying or selling something?"
There's two different "kingdoms", right? The beast system wants people to follow it, and God's kingdom wants people to follow it. Depending on your decision marks who you belong to. A physical mark could be part of that. It isn't however the mark itself that condemns you but rests upon our conscious decision to align with one kingdom or the other. If a literal mark is part of that, so be it. But what we should really be concerned with is exercising caution over who or what we put our trust in. Furthermore, the bible is full of examples of symbolic gestures that had real world consequences. I don't even see how this is confusing anymore. We've also already seen firsthand how easily the masses can be turned against one another for the most trivial reasons. Jobs have been lost, bank account have been frozen. None of this is even theory anymore. We've seen it, albeit on a smaller scale, but the foundation already exists to lock people out of the economy.
 
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Cristo

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Whatever form the mark of the beast takes is irrelevant. The mark is symbolic anyway. It is in contrast to the writing on the foreheads of the chosen with the name of YHWH and the Lamb. And I am pretty sure no one is going to be walking around with the name of Jehovah stenciled on their forehead, no sane person anyway. The mark is from God's standpoint. He knows those who belong to him and he will know who will compromise and worship the beast and Satan and who will not have their names written in the book of life.
So Gods invitation to count the number of the beast is irrelevant? Ok.

Just because the mark is symbolic doesn't negate the possibility of it also manifesting as a physical representation of its symbolic meaning. The mark of the beast unequivocally does not originate from God's standpoint; it emerges from the beast system that wields control over the entire world when the mark is implemented. Its very designation as the mark OF the beast underscores its origin. While Jehovah doesn't require a physical mark to discern those who belong to Him, the beast system does. The mark of the beast is not bestowed by Jehovah; rather, it is conferred by the 8th King to identify those who submit to his satanic ideology, and those who refuse it will die. That doesn't sound irrelevant to me...
 

Jahrule

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So Gods invitation to count the number of the beast is irrelevant? Ok.
Sounds like it could be referring to something digital as well. This is all speculation right now, though. We can't calculate anything; the mark doesn't exist yet. The bible seems to suggest there are different ways to be associated with this mark. On our forehead, on our hand, its name, the number of its name. It takes wisdom to figure it out. He hints at a lot of stuff here.

Here's a hot take. Ledgers have names and ID numbers attached to them. We know what that's like. We have SSN#. We have bank account#. What if the beast system creates their own digital ledger (Blockchain) as the foundation for the replacement of our financial system? If everybody is forced to create an account with such a system, cutting you off from buying and selling would be trivial.

Do something they don't approve of, anything, and they could flag your account. That works for either symbolic or literal marks. Maybe the 8th king will require us to vote, and we get a freakin sticker or something. It doesn't have to be something out of Army of Darkness. It could be simple or seemingly insignificant. Otherwise why would it take wisdom to discern?

 

Jahrule

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It will be interesting to see how Jehovah keeps a 'great crowd' alive through the GT/Armageddon.
I've seen how Jah has kept me safe through a lot of hardships. If he'll do that for me in this world, just imagine what he will do for the great crowd. Whoever gets to be part of that chapter is indeed very blessed. If you think you've seen Jah's presence in your life now in this world, recognize you still have not seen a thing yet.
 

Ana

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I see you have a well developed sense of humour Ana😂😂
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I see you have a well developed sense of humour Ana😂😂
Depende del día, soy de risa fácil si.😁 La ocasión lo merecía, león marino, debería llamarte, porque esa foto de perfil no es de foca. Sabes? Es de un león marino californiano y macho, además. Y no es broma!
 

Cristo

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We can't calculate anything; the mark doesn't exist yet.

The 'mark of the beast' remains a concept yet to materialize in whatever form it will be, tattoo, implant, injection etc... etc., however what does exist is 666, "...For It is a man's number...", and God gave us this clue for a reason, I'm sure you would agree.

It is incredibly noteworthy, and questionably coincidental, that the star of Saturn, of which plays a fundamental role within the occult ideology that will be ruling the world at the time of the mark of the beast, can be calculated to 666 in more ways than one. One is by observation of the 6 points, 6 sides, 6 corners, however this calculation lacks sufficient evidence other than one's own interpretation.

The second method, as demonstrated in part VI of the examination, originates from an entirely different premise. It stemmed from tracing the historical relationship of the Israelites towards Saturn, a pagan deity, which continues to be observed by them in the modern era. Notably, the star of Saturn, prominently featured in Masonic lodges, aprons, and regalia, holds a striking association with Luciferian worshipers within the Masonic fraternity. The alignment of this symbol with the numerical value of 666 raises questions about the significance of the strong connection among Satan, Saturn, and 666. The depth of this association may suggest more than mere coincidence.

What I also find extraordinary is the attempt to dismiss the star of Saturn as a possibility to be the mark of the beast. I would imagine that if any symbol or object of any calculable means could be calculated or counted to 666 in some way, it would warrant a certain amount of investigation, yet most people dismiss it without any critical examination. No doubt, if the star of Saturn is somehow related to the mark of the beast, Satan would do everything he could to protect its true purpose from scrutiny, as would those who are aware of the significance this symbol plays within the occult ideology.
 
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