The mark OF the beast....The Star of Saturn?

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Because many who join, or peruse the sight, simply look at the latest posts, it would be a shame(at least I feel) to bury the information in this thread under the nonsense that was recently piled on top of it. I understand this is a forum, and that things get quickly buried, however there is a lot of information gathered into one spot that some might find interesting, and there are a lot of new ones joining that may enjoy what others have said is a good read. I realize not all may agree on the final conclusion, that's most certainly to be expected, but it's not necessarily the conclusion that is important, rather the way in which we arrived at it.

When I started this examination, I had no idea what I would find by following the path of the Israelites and their veneration of the planet Saturn. It was simply a pattern that was laid out in the scriptures. There was no telling where the path would lead until we began to follow it. In doing so we discovered that the old symbol of the Star of Saturn, is the same symbol that the Israelites use today. This is either a truly astounding coincidence, or perhaps there is a reason behind it. Even if you do not agree with the conclusion, you cannot deny the path that was followed because it does not deviate away from the evidence provided throughout the centuries.

I realize the Mark of the Beast is an enigmatic concept that only until it manifests into the world can we truly know what form it will be in. Nevertheless, the fact remains, Jehovah said "(Re 13:18) “. . .Let the one that has intelligence count the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.. . .”
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Part III and continuation of Part III
Part IV and continuation of Part IV
Part V and continuation of Part V
Part VI and continuation of Part V

Truly what are the odds, that by following the path of Saturn from the first mention of false worship by the Israelites, that it would logically lead us to a formula in which the number 666 could be counted? The odds of that being a coincidence are truly staggering...

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Cristo said:
Because many who join, or peruse the sight, simply look at the latest posts, it would be a shame(at least I feel) to bury the information in this thread under the nonsense that was recently piled on top of it. I understand this is a forum, and that things get quickly buried, however there is a lot of information gathered into one spot that some might find interesting, and there are a lot of new ones joining that may enjoy what others have said is a good read. I realize not all may agree on the final conclusion, that's most certainly to be expected, but it's not necessarily the conclusion that is important, rather the way in which we arrived at it.

When I started this examination, I had no idea what I would find by following the path of the Israelites and their veneration of the planet Saturn. It was simply a pattern that was laid out in the scriptures. There was no telling where the path would lead until we began to follow it. In doing so we discovered that the old symbol of the Star of Saturn, is the same symbol that the Israelites use today. This is either a truly astounding coincidence, or perhaps there is a reason behind it. Even if you do not agree with the conclusion, you cannot deny the path that was followed because it does not deviate away from the evidence provided throughout the centuries.

I realize the Mark of the Beast is an enigmatic concept that only until it manifests into the world can we truly know what form it will be in. Nevertheless, the fact remains, Jehovah said "(Re 13:18) “. . .Let the one that has intelligence count the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.. . .”
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Part I
Part II
Part III and continuation of Part III
Part IV and continuation of Part IV
Part V and continuation of Part V
Part VI and continuation of Part V

Truly what are the odds, that by following the path of Saturn from the first mention of false worship by the Israelites, that it would logically lead us to a formula in which the number 666 could be counted? The odds of that being a coincidence are truly staggering...

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Your diligence and hard work @Cristo is amazing! Thank you for all your efforts bro!
 
Cristo said:
Because many who join, or peruse the sight, simply look at the latest posts, it would be a shame(at least I feel) to bury the information in this thread under the nonsense that was recently piled on top of it. I understand this is a forum, and that things get quickly buried, however there is a lot of information gathered into one spot that some might find interesting, and there are a lot of new ones joining that may enjoy what others have said is a good read. I realize not all may agree on the final conclusion, that's most certainly to be expected, but it's not necessarily the conclusion that is important, rather the way in which we arrived at it.

When I started this examination, I had no idea what I would find by following the path of the Israelites and their veneration of the planet Saturn. It was simply a pattern that was laid out in the scriptures. There was no telling where the path would lead until we began to follow it. In doing so we discovered that the old symbol of the Star of Saturn, is the same symbol that the Israelites use today. This is either a truly astounding coincidence, or perhaps there is a reason behind it. Even if you do not agree with the conclusion, you cannot deny the path that was followed because it does not deviate away from the evidence provided throughout the centuries.

I realize the Mark of the Beast is an enigmatic concept that only until it manifests into the world can we truly know what form it will be in. Nevertheless, the fact remains, Jehovah said "(Re 13:18) “. . .Let the one that has intelligence count the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.. . .”
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Part I
Part II
Part III and continuation of Part III
Part IV and continuation of Part IV
Part V and continuation of Part V
Part VI and continuation of Part V

Truly what are the odds, that by following the path of Saturn from the first mention of false worship by the Israelites, that it would logically lead us to a formula in which the number 666 could be counted? The odds of that being a coincidence are truly staggering...

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Siento no ser parte del nuevo público aquí y que no me deslumbren los galimatías para apreciar tu desarrollo saturnino. Me parece sorprendente más bien que Revelacion 13:18 nos de la respuesta a la pregunta, sobre cual es número de la bestia y se quiera buscar más al respecto. Nunca consideré la expresión use discernimiento el lector, cómo una sugerencia a introducirnos en simbología pagana para llegar a ningún tipo de suceso sorprendente. De hecho el mismo texto te da la respuesta para que quizás no la busques. No comprendí la finalidad de este estudio. La marca no es importante en si misma, sino por lo que representa. Está asociada al hombre, (nuevo orden que se establecerá humano pero dirigido por Satanás), que encontramos en el capítulo 24 de Mateo. Esa advertencia que encontramos y que realizará grandes señales en el versículo 24- Porque se levantarán falsos Cristos, y falsos profetas; y harán grandes señales y prodigios, de tal manera que engañarán, si fuese posible, aun a los escogidos. Esas grandes señales a las que también hace referencia 2 Tesalonicenses 2:98 Y entonces se manifestará aquel inicuo, a quien el Señor matará con el espíritu de su boca, y destruirá con el resplandor de su venida; 9 inicuo cuyo advenimiento es por obra de Satanás, con gran poder y señales y prodigios mentirosos, 10 y con todo engaño de iniquidad para los que se pierden, por cuanto no recibieron el amor de la verdad para ser salvos. 11 Por esto Dios les envía un poder engañoso, para que crean la mentira, 12 a fin de que sean condenados todos los que no creyeron a la verdad, sino que se complacieron en la injusticia. O en Apocalipsis 13:13 También hace grandes señales, de tal manera que aun hace descender fuego del cielo a la tierra delante de los hombres. Esa marca es el resultado de aceptar ese gobierno humano como algo divino si pretende engañar a los escogidos. Es la pretensión del Diablo siempre. Ser adorado como un dios. El objetivo es el remanente. Lo importante es que identifiquemos que es un número de Hombre, que no proviene de Jehová!! Y que será confuso hasta ara los escogidos. Imagínate para todos los demas. Yo en ved de a Saturno en esos días, miraría a los ojos de la gente 😉Eso es lo importante de Revelacion 13:18.
 
Ana said:
Siento no ser parte del nuevo público aquí y que no me deslumbren los galimatías para apreciar tu desarrollo saturnino. Me parece sorprendente más bien que Revelacion 13:18 nos de la respuesta a la pregunta, sobre cual es número de la bestia y se quiera buscar más al respecto. Nunca consideré la expresión use discernimiento el lector, cómo una sugerencia a introducirnos en simbología pagana para llegar a ningún tipo de suceso sorprendente. De hecho el mismo texto te da la respuesta para que quizás no la busques. No comprendí la finalidad de este estudio. La marca no es importante en si misma, sino por lo que representa. Está asociada al hombre, (nuevo orden que se establecerá humano pero dirigido por Satanás), que encontramos en el capítulo 24 de Mateo. Esa advertencia que encontramos y que realizará grandes señales en el versículo 24- Porque se levantarán falsos Cristos, y falsos profetas; y harán grandes señales y prodigios, de tal manera que engañarán, si fuese posible, aun a los escogidos. Esas grandes señales a las que también hace referencia 2 Tesalonicenses 2:98 Y entonces se manifestará aquel inicuo, a quien el Señor matará con el espíritu de su boca, y destruirá con el resplandor de su venida; 9 inicuo cuyo advenimiento es por obra de Satanás, con gran poder y señales y prodigios mentirosos, 10 y con todo engaño de iniquidad para los que se pierden, por cuanto no recibieron el amor de la verdad para ser salvos. 11 Por esto Dios les envía un poder engañoso, para que crean la mentira, 12 a fin de que sean condenados todos los que no creyeron a la verdad, sino que se complacieron en la injusticia. O en Apocalipsis 13:13 También hace grandes señales, de tal manera que aun hace descender fuego del cielo a la tierra delante de los hombres. Esa marca es el resultado de aceptar ese gobierno humano como algo divino si pretende engañar a los escogidos. Es la pretensión del Diablo siempre. Ser adorado como un dios. El objetivo es el remanente. Lo importante es que identifiquemos que es un número de Hombre, que no proviene de Jehová!! Y que será confuso hasta ara los escogidos. Imagínate para todos los demas. Yo en ved de a Saturno en esos días, miraría a los ojos de la gente 😉Eso es lo importante de Revelacion 13:18.
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Translation: I'm sorry I'm not part of the new audience here and that I'm not dazzled by the gibberish to appreciate your Saturn development. It seems surprising to me rather that Revelation 13:18 gives us the answer to the question, about what the number of the beast is and if you want to look for more about it. I never considered the expression use discernment the reader, as a suggestion to introduce ourselves into pagan symbolism to reach any type of surprising event. In fact, the same text gives you the answer so that you may not look for it. I did not understand the purpose of this study. The brand is not important in itself, but for what it represents. It is associated with man, (new order that will be established human but led by Satan), which we find in chapter 24 of Matthew. That warning that we find and that will make great signs in verse 24- For false Christs, and false prophets will be raised; and they will make great signs and wonders, in such a way that they will deceive, if possible, even the chosen ones. Those great signs to which 2 Thessalonians also refers 2:98 And then the wicked will be manifested, whom the Lord will kill with the spirit of his mouth, and destroy with the glow of his coming; 9 iniquitous whose advent is by the work of Satan, with great power and lying signs and wonders, 10 and with all deception of iniquity for those who are lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth to be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a deceptive power, that they may believe the lie, 12 so that all those who did not believe the truth, but were pleased in injustice, may be condemned. Or in Revelation 13:13 He also makes great signs, in such a way that he still makes fire descend from heaven to earth before men. That mark is the result of accepting that human government as something divine if it seeks to deceive the chosen ones. It is the devil's claim always. To be worshipped like a god. The goal is the remainder. The important thing is that we identify that it is a Man's number, which does not come from Jehovah!! And that it will be confusing even for the chosen ones. Imagine for everyone else. I in veh of Saturn in those days, I would look into people's eyes 😉 That's the important thing about Revelation 13:18.
 
‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭4:1‭-‬2‬ ‭
[1] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, [2] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭9:4‬ ‭
[4] and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

The mark of beast is the beast's name or the number that stands for its name 666. In bible terms 6 stands for incompleteness, imperfection, which represents very well Satan's system. Nobody will be stamped with this number on their foreheads and the right arm . The forehead represents the place of belief, of decision making and the right arm represents the strong arm which people normally use to take action.

The nazis, who I believe is the closest representation of what the beast will be in its last form, used to give the faithful people a letter to sign where they were declaring that they renounce the faith. If they refused they were either killed on the spot or sent to concentration camps.
 
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Ana said:
Siento no ser parte del nuevo público aquí y que no me deslumbren los galimatías para apreciar tu desarrollo saturnino. Me parece sorprendente más bien que Revelacion 13:18 nos de la respuesta a la pregunta, sobre cual es número de la bestia y se quiera buscar más al respecto. Nunca consideré la expresión use discernimiento el lector, cómo una sugerencia a introducirnos en simbología pagana para llegar a ningún tipo de suceso sorprendente. De hecho el mismo texto te da la respuesta para que quizás no la busques. No comprendí la finalidad de este estudio. La marca no es importante en si misma, sino por lo que representa. Está asociada al hombre, (nuevo orden que se establecerá humano pero dirigido por Satanás), que encontramos en el capítulo 24 de Mateo. Esa advertencia que encontramos y que realizará grandes señales en el versículo 24- Porque se levantarán falsos Cristos, y falsos profetas; y harán grandes señales y prodigios, de tal manera que engañarán, si fuese posible, aun a los escogidos. Esas grandes señales a las que también hace referencia 2 Tesalonicenses 2:98 Y entonces se manifestará aquel inicuo, a quien el Señor matará con el espíritu de su boca, y destruirá con el resplandor de su venida; 9 inicuo cuyo advenimiento es por obra de Satanás, con gran poder y señales y prodigios mentirosos, 10 y con todo engaño de iniquidad para los que se pierden, por cuanto no recibieron el amor de la verdad para ser salvos. 11 Por esto Dios les envía un poder engañoso, para que crean la mentira, 12 a fin de que sean condenados todos los que no creyeron a la verdad, sino que se complacieron en la injusticia. O en Apocalipsis 13:13 También hace grandes señales, de tal manera que aun hace descender fuego del cielo a la tierra delante de los hombres. Esa marca es el resultado de aceptar ese gobierno humano como algo divino si pretende engañar a los escogidos. Es la pretensión del Diablo siempre. Ser adorado como un dios. El objetivo es el remanente. Lo importante es que identifiquemos que es un número de Hombre, que no proviene de Jehová!! Y que será confuso hasta ara los escogidos. Imagínate para todos los demas. Yo en ved de a Saturno en esos días, miraría a los ojos de la gente 😉Eso es lo importante de Revelacion 13:18.
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Mi Ana, excusare non debes. Ego vero is sum, qui te excusare debet, quod non ut clarius fiat, non curo si perstringas. Fortasse partem desiderabas ubi dixi 'multa non consentiunt', et hoc est ok, ego manifesto non conor popularis certamine vincere. Gratus es anam sententiam tuam, nemo id a te auferre conatur. Dictum est hic in America de opinione, sed eo nunc non ibo.

Volo tamen id etiam ex prima tua sententia notare, obvbius id quod in primis scripsi vere non intelligere. Quod ais "meum" Saturnus explicatio eo apparet. Vides, non sum qui Saturnum sequitur, Israelitis ante 3500 annos habent. Itaque, ut vides, Saturnum appellare "meum", turpiter erratum est. Quod autem totam propositionem falsae propositionis fundas, prospectum tuum fortasse vitiosum esse ostendit.

Credo viam in Scripturis positam vocari posse gibberosam, sed Deus erat qui hanc in scriptura viam posuit, annon? Nonne ipse erat qui auctor bibliae? Certe pars illa non est gibbosa. Forsitan subtilius esses.

Fuitne ea pars ubi mitosis in formam digitalem convertimus? Non est patibulum, id est mathematicam simplicem. Si mathematicam putas esse gibberosam, tunc sollicitus essem si de te essem quomodo res in hoc mundo perciperes.

Ana said:
The important thing is that we identify that it is a Man number, that it does not come from Jehovah!! And that it will be confusing even to the elect. Imagine for everyone else. If I were to see Saturn in those days, I would look into people's 😉eyes. That's the point of Revelation 13:18.
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A mans number, ok, got it. And it doesn't come from Jehovah, got it. And that it will be confusing even to the elect, ok got it. Hmmmm, I wonder if there is anything that describes. I can't place my finger on it, but I know I've seen it before. Maybe it will be confusing to the elect because they have been told it represents something else, as has the rest of the world. Oh Yeah, now I remember, you are describing the Star of Saturn. Thanks Ana, I appreciate your insight.

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Cristo said:
Mi Ana, excusare non debes. Ego vero is sum, qui te excusare debet, quod non ut clarius fiat, non curo si perstringas. Fortasse partem desiderabas ubi dixi 'multa non consentiunt', et hoc est ok, ego manifesto non conor popularis certamine vincere. Gratus es anam sententiam tuam, nemo id a te auferre conatur. Dictum est hic in America de opinione, sed eo nunc non ibo.

Volo tamen id etiam ex prima tua sententia notare, obvbius id quod in primis scripsi vere non intelligere. Quod ais "meum" Saturnus explicatio eo apparet. Vides, non sum qui Saturnum sequitur, Israelitis ante 3500 annos habent. Itaque, ut vides, Saturnum appellare "meum", turpiter erratum est. Quod autem totam propositionem falsae propositionis fundas, prospectum tuum fortasse vitiosum esse ostendit.

Credo viam in Scripturis positam vocari posse gibberosam, sed Deus erat qui hanc in scriptura viam posuit, annon? Nonne ipse erat qui auctor bibliae? Certe pars illa non est gibbosa. Forsitan subtilius esses.

Fuitne ea pars ubi mitosis in formam digitalem convertimus? Non est patibulum, id est mathematicam simplicem. Si mathematicam putas esse gibberosam, tunc sollicitus essem si de te essem quomodo res in hoc mundo perciperes.


A mans number, ok, got it. And it doesn't come from Jehovah, got it. And that it will be confusing even to the elect, ok got it. Hmmmm, I wonder if there is anything that describes. I can't place my finger on it, but I know I've seen it before. Maybe it will be confusing to the elect because they have been told it represents something else, as has the rest of the world. Oh Yeah, now I remember, you are describing the Star of Saturn. Thanks Ana, I appreciate your insight.

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Siento que pienses que me he burlado de ti. No es mi estilo. Cuando me río me río de verdad y cuando me burló es porque se establece un lenguaje coloquial y esta ocasión no ha sido el caso. No somos novatos por aquí, no asustes a los nuevos, van a pensar que tenemos un intercambio de lenguajes especiales como en la torre de Babel hablando latín a una española. Recuerda que el traductor a veces no es muy correcto. Gracias por hacer la traducción para contestarme. No hice referencia a "tu" Saturno, usé una palabra coloquial que se tradujo mal. Supongo que disfrutas de poder compartir en tu idioma todo lo que aquí se escribe, no todos tenemos esa oportunidad. Te he dado mi opinión sobre el numero de la bestia y sobre lo que yo entiendo, nada más. Y también te digo que me encantará estar contigo en ese paraíso maravilloso que nunca ha existido pero que conocemos, y tirarte una bola de nieve en esa cabezota malpensada!! Con todo el cariño del mundo. 🫰
 
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‭‭Daniel‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭
[1] Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. He set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
[4] Then a herald cried aloud: “To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, [5] that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up; [6] and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.” [7] So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:11‭-‬12‬ ‭
[11] Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. [12] And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[15] He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:7‭-‬8‬ ‭
[7] It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. [8] All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15:2‬ ‭
[2] And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.
 
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Ana said:
I'm sorry you think I've made fun of you. It's not my style. When I laugh I really laugh and when I make fun of it is because a colloquial language is established and this occasion has not been the case. We are not newbies around here, don't scare the newcomers, they will think that we have an exchange of special languages like in the tower of Babel speaking Latin to a Spaniard. Remember that the translator is sometimes not very correct. Thank you for doing the translation to answer me. I didn't reference "your" Saturn, I used a colloquial word that was mistranslated. I suppose you enjoy being able to share in your language everything that is written here, not all of us have that opportunity. I have given you my opinion on the number of the beast and on what I understand, nothing more. And I also tell you that I will love to be with you in that wonderful paradise that has never existed but that we know, and throw a snowball at you in that ill-thought-out head!! With all the love in the world. 🫰
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Where did you get that idea lol? I didn't actually think that but again thanks for the apology. Not necessary. That is not my style either, I'm more facetious with my humor, but never with bad intention, jesting is perhaps a better word. I too look forward to that paradise that once existed long ago, if only but for a moment...

Ha! Looking forward to the snowball fight. No mercy ;)



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I have edited a portion of the examination in hopes it will make it easier to read and follow along. I feel the new phrasing is more conducive to drawing a clearer picture of what is being presented. If anybody is interested, here is the small edited portion found in part VI.


Mitosis

When we examine Jehovahs perfect process of creation, and how things manifest in the physical realm, we encounter certain fundamental principles. One of those key principles is the process of mitosis. Mitosis entails the replication of a single cell into another cell, with both possessing the same number and type of chromosomes. All living organisms undergo this process of cell duplication or reproduction, wherein one cell gives rise to two genetically identical cells. As one cell divides into two, two cells become four, then eight, sixteen, and so on and so on.

It is essential to clearly understand that mitosis is Jehovahs perfect process for the creation of mankind into a physical body. Mitosis is the foundational process of creation from the moment of conception, when we are brought into existence. After fertilization of the egg by the sperm, mitosis causes rapid cell division, leading to the formation of a multicellular embryo. With this fundamental truth of creation in mind, please read the following verse:

(Isa 14:13-14) “. . .As for you, you have said in your heart, ‘To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. 14 I shall go up above the high places of the clouds; I shall make myself resemble the Most High.’”​

The only way for Satan to 'resemble' the true God, is to copy what God has already done, albeit with his own twist. Satan is unable to physically create things within the physical plane of existence, he must use mankind as his proxy to create for him. Because the mark of the beast is Satans ultimate creation, should we expect anything less than for him to counterfeit Gods perfect process of creation?

From the beginning Satan has utilized various forms to exert influence over mankind. Initially, he utilized physical entities such as the snake, statues, idols, and symbols, which existed in three-dimensional and two-dimensional planes of existence. However, as humanity progressed, the advent of electronic technology ushered in the digital world. In the 20th century, the rise of digital computers and electronics, along with more recent advancements in artificial intelligence (AI), has provided Satan with a new platform to refine his deceptive techniques.

Remarkably, the biological process of mitosis can be translated into a digital format through a method known as the digital rooting of numbers. As you will see, this simple mathematical process of rooting numbers not only validates that we are on the path of Saturn, but provides a potential understanding of what role this star will play in the future.
 
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Cristo said:
the star of Saturn
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Bit late to the party :giggle: , but It has been used before, even in the colour of gold! Just look up WWII to see what every Jew was required to wear visibly!
 
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Bit late to the party :giggle: , but It has been used before, even in the colour of gold! Just look up WWII to see what every Jew was required to wear visibly!
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Not sure what you mean by late to the party. I'm well aware of the symbols use in WWII, however that does nothing but reinforce the exoteric meaning of the symbol upon the worlds view of it. In other words, how you and the majority of people in the world see/feel about the star is directly associated with the events of WWII. However, it is important to understand that the star itself has existed for thousands of years within the occultic traditions such as the kabbala.

The kabbala is the ancient Jewish tradition of mystical interpretation of the Bible and has played a major role within the occult network of beliefs, and has had a profound influence on the teachings of well known occultists such as Eliphaz Levi(well known Satanist), Helena Blavatsky founder of the Theosophical Society, and many others. As noted above in the purple graphic showing the star of Saturn, Alice Bailey the founder of Lucifer Trust Company was deeply influenced by Blavatsky. As you can see the star has been used prior to WWII for centuries, even millenniums, as a symbol for Satan.

The Israelites continually fell to it as is highlighted in the bible.

(Acts 7:43)". . .43 But it was the tent of Moloch and the star of the god Rephan that YOU took up, the figures which YOU made to worship them. Consequently I will deport YOU beyond Babylon."

(Am 5:26) “. . .And YOU will certainly carry Sakkuth YOUR king and Kaiwan, YOUR images, the star of YOUR god, whom YOU made for yourselves.. . .”

Thus when you actually look at the historical evidence of what the star originally was, the modern day version is simply a whitewash of a satanic symbol that has been used for thousands of years to mislead the nation of Israel.
 
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The following video was in my Youtube today, so I did a search for Remphan here in the forum and found this thread. Thought it was good place to post it.
 
It is true that is said by some people that Satan's angels did give humanity special knowledge before the flood.
I don't know if you understand Spanish but I found a page some years ago that speaks about all this. I don't agree with everything, but it's very interesting. He tells the history of humanity including the influence of wicked angels and secret societies. It was written by a brother or someone that is related to the org 14 years ago. I love how he is so concise, but interesting at the same time. My intention is not to push you to research about the occult, but just to share something related to the topic. This brother speaks about the NWO too.
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Capítulo 1 "Los Dragones del Edén"

La información publicada es parte de un libro que he escrito hace años. Tiene que ver con la verdadera historia humana, y no la que se ha tr...
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Jahrule said:
Of course 666 exists. God often uses things that exist to represent something symbolically. My point is that the intent behind the symbolism depends on the author, not the reader. People have been aimlessly filling in their own assumptions about God's word back before the bible even existed. I don't care if the MOTB is Saturn, the moon, Uranus, a barcode, computer chip, contract or a pledge, I am confident Jah will reveal it at the proper time. Fear Jah, not the MOTB. You can't accidentally get marked. Everyone will know at some level they are rejecting God's kingdom by doing whatever [insert Doctor Evil Plot Here].
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I think the same way. If you are going to be thrown into the lake of fire, then you must have done something really bad and serious. Most of dead people are in Sheol now, even some of the most evil of history. It seems that not so many are in Gehenna now. So, going there must be related to have done something really bad and serious and to be completely aware of that. Yes, people will know they are rejecting Jehovah God and Jesus when they receive the mark. Whether it is visible or not, I think that maybe it will visible. When the police comes and examines you, they might be able to check something in your body that let them know if you worship the beast or not. I imagine that Christians will have no material possessions. So, they will look into their bodies perhaps or will check what they say, because as Jesus said, they will be taken before governors and kings. Even the great crowd will be with the chosen ones preaching the message of doom upon this world as Joel shows. Anyway whether it's visible or not, we can be sure that when it comes, EVERYONE on earth will know what it is and what it implies. It will be in some way like selling your soul to Satan, there will be no going back and people will know that. It's similar to what happens now with some famous people. They sign a contract or make a covenant and they know that it cannot be reversed because they know that if they try to rebel or destroy the contract, the consequence will be death or a ruined life. Perhaps something similar will be applied worldwide. But in the future people will know that they are rejecting Jehovah and Christ, they will be fully aware of what that means and the consequences of that, and even so they will accept the mark because they will support the beast and Satan. They will be on their side maybe because of what will be told to them or what they will see. Remember when Revelation says that an angel warns about the consequences of accepting the mark of the beast? Well, that means people will know.
The good thing about famous people that die now is that perhaps they are not in Gehenna. That is for Jehovah to decide. But people that accept the mark of the beast will be doomed, there is no going back.
Something we must take into account is that the Bible shows that Jehovah takes a lot into account the awareness of someone when that person commits a sin. If the person is ignorant, He usually shows more mercy than if the person is fully aware of what is doing or has done. We can see many examples of this throughout the Bible, like the faithful and wicked slave. So, again, if someone will go to the lake of fire because they have received the mark of the beast, that means that person was fully aware of what he/she had done. Jehovah is not going to send someone to the lake of fire for ignorance. Something really serious must have been done, and there must be full awareness of that.
 
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Watchman said:
Not having the mark will not prevent people from buying or selling. The beast will. It might be something as simple as signing a pledge of allegiance or an oath of loyalty in order to get your monthly stipend of crypto or whatever.
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(Re 13:17) “. . .and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark. . .”

The whole point of the mark of the beast is to identify those who refuse to become part of the beast system, by the beast system.

The mark is apparently what is required to buy or sell, suggesting that it must be scanned somehow by something. With the recent Covid crisis, the most common question people had, and many still ask is "did you get the vaccine?". Maybe the fact that it is on the right hand or forehead is because the beast system will want people to be readily spotted as having taken a vaccine to a future unknown pathogen such as the avian flu which seems to be gaining traction on mainstream news. Having the mark on either head or hand makes it easier to see by others, and those who do not have it would be quickly persecuted for not.



LuisMerino9412 said:
Jehovah is not going to send someone to the lake of fire for ignorance.
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It seems like that is exactly why they will be sent to the lake of fire.

(Eph 4:17-19) “. . .YOU no longer go on walking just as the nations also walk in the unprofitableness of their minds, 18 while they are in darkness mentally, and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensibility of their hearts. 19 Having come to be past all moral sense, they gave themselves over to loose conduct to work uncleanness of every sort with greediness.”

(1Pe 1:14) “. . .As obedient children, quit being fashioned according to the desires YOU formerly had in YOUR ignorance,”
 
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(Re 13:17) “. . .and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark. . .”

The whole point of the mark of the beast is to identify those who refuse to become part of the beast system, by the beast system.

The mark is apparently what is required to buy or sell, suggesting that it must be scanned somehow by something. With the recent Covid crisis, the most common question people had, and many still ask is "did you get the vaccine?". Maybe the fact that it is on the right hand or forehead is because the beast system will want people to be readily spotted as having taken a vaccine to a future unknown pathogen such as the avian flu which seems to be gaining traction on mainstream news. Having the mark on either head or hand makes it easier to see by others, and those who do not have it would be quickly persecuted for not.




It seems like that is exactly why they will be sent to the lake of fire.

(Eph 4:17-19) “. . .YOU no longer go on walking just as the nations also walk in the unprofitableness of their minds, 18 while they are in darkness mentally, and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensibility of their hearts. 19 Having come to be past all moral sense, they gave themselves over to loose conduct to work uncleanness of every sort with greediness.”

(1Pe 1:14) “. . .As obedient children, quit being fashioned according to the desires YOU formerly had in YOUR ignorance,”
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What does the forehead and right hand represent in other parts of scripture? Let's take a look. All scriptures pulled from Google. Not NWT.

Forehead and Right Hand in Scripture:​

  1. Deuteronomy 6:6-8:
    • "These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads."
    • In this passage, the commandments of God are to be bound on the hands and foreheads, symbolizing that they should be ever-present in thought (forehead) and action (hand).
  2. Exodus 13:9:
    • "This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand."
    • Again, the hand and forehead are symbols of constant remembrance and dedication to God's law.
  3. Ezekiel 9:4:
    • "And the Lord said to him, 'Go through the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.'"
    • Here, a mark on the forehead is used to identify those who are faithful and sorrowful over sin, marking them for protection.

Symbolic Meaning:​

  • Forehead: Symbolizes thought, belief, and ideology. It represents what a person mentally adheres to and acknowledges.
  • Right Hand: Symbolizes action, deeds, and work. It represents what a person does and how they act in the world.

Interpretation of the Mark of the Beast:​

Combining these symbols with the mark of the beast, the "mark" on the forehead and right hand could symbolize a person's allegiance to the beast in both thought (forehead) and action (hand). It represents a total commitment, both mentally and behaviorally, to the authority and ideology of the beast.

Therefore it is my belief, and I believe this is what Robert is pointing out as well, that the mark has to do with our alliance. Your right hand is typically your dominant hand. That's why scriptures speak of sitting at God's right hand, indicating we are aligned with Jah. If you receive the MOTH on your "right hand" it is symbolizing your alliance with the beast system. In addition to that, it may include a mark, or a chip, or a digital ID, etc. The point Robert is making is that it must come with the addition of some type of compromise. Such as being required to swear an oath, etc. That doesn't mean it won't also come with some technological aspect. I'm fairly certain it will. As a rule of thumb, when the beast system emerges avoid any oaths, contracts, computer chips, digital IDs, gas station reward programs, etc. We'll just go off the grid at that point. If they want to arrest us, oh well. Let them come get us.
 
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What does the forehead and right hand represent in other parts of scripture? Let's take a look. All scriptures pulled from Google. Not NWT.

Forehead and Right Hand in Scripture:​

  1. Deuteronomy 6:6-8:
    • "These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads."
    • In this passage, the commandments of God are to be bound on the hands and foreheads, symbolizing that they should be ever-present in thought (forehead) and action (hand).
  2. Exodus 13:9:
    • "This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand."
    • Again, the hand and forehead are symbols of constant remembrance and dedication to God's law.
  3. Ezekiel 9:4:
    • "And the Lord said to him, 'Go through the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.'"
    • Here, a mark on the forehead is used to identify those who are faithful and sorrowful over sin, marking them for protection.

Symbolic Meaning:​

  • Forehead: Symbolizes thought, belief, and ideology. It represents what a person mentally adheres to and acknowledges.
  • Right Hand: Symbolizes action, deeds, and work. It represents what a person does and how they act in the world.

Interpretation of the Mark of the Beast:​

Combining these symbols with the mark of the beast, the "mark" on the forehead and right hand could symbolize a person's allegiance to the beast in both thought (forehead) and action (hand). It represents a total commitment, both mentally and behaviorally, to the authority and ideology of the beast.

Therefore it is my belief, and I believe this is what Robert is pointing out as well, that the mark has to do with our alliance. Your right hand is typically your dominant hand. That's why scriptures speak of sitting of God's right hand, indicating we are aligned with Jah. If you receive the MOTH on your "right hand" it is symbolizing your alliance with the beast system. In addition to that, it may include a mark, or a chip, or a digital ID, etc. The point Robert is making is that it must come with the addition of some type of compromise. Such as being required to swear an oath, etc. That doesn't mean it won't also come with some technological aspect. I'm fairly certain it will. As a rule of thumb, when the beast system emerges avoid any oaths, contracts, computer chips, digital IDs, gas station reward programs, etc. We'll just go off the grid at that point. If they want to arrest us, oh well. Let them come get us.
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Yes, I understand the symbolism of the head/hand from Gods point of view.

The beast system however will reflect the beasts perspective, and the perspective of those who follow him. Those who will help usher in the beast system worship Satan, and will come from a place where 'as above, so below' is the main tenet of their ideology, in which whatever happens spiritually will manifest physically. Because the world at that time will reflect a Satanic nature, it seems that this phrase will likely hold true regarding how the mark of the beast is incorporated into humanity. Those who take the mark are spiritually dead to God and accept Satan as their God. By taking the physical mark of the beast it becomes the physical manifestation of their free choice to do so, 'as above, so below'.

I understand the point Watchman was making regarding an alliance and that it will entail some kind of compromise. I was merely pointing out that not having a mark will prevent people from buying and selling.
 
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Yes, I understand the symbolism of the head/hand from Gods point of view.

The beast system however will reflect the beasts perspective, and the perspective of those who follow him. Those who will help usher in the beast system worship Satan, and will come from a place where 'as above, so below' is the main tenet of their ideology, in which whatever happens spiritually will manifest physically. Because the world at that time will reflect a Satanic nature, it seems that this phrase will likely hold true regarding how the mark of the beast is incorporated into humanity. Those who take the mark are spiritually dead to God and accept Satan as their God. By taking the physical mark of the beast it becomes the physical manifestation of their free choice to do so, 'as above, so below'.

I understand the point Watchman was making regarding an alliance and that it will entail some kind of compromise. I was merely pointing out that not having a mark will prevent people from buying and selling.
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I can't say I see the part where we disagree. Additionally, As above, so below was a great movie. Big fan of the catacombs here.
 
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Yes, I understand the symbolism of the head/hand from Gods point of view.

The beast system however will reflect the beasts perspective, and the perspective of those who follow him. Those who will help usher in the beast system worship Satan, and will come from a place where 'as above, so below' is the main tenet of their ideology, in which whatever happens spiritually will manifest physically. Because the world at that time will reflect a Satanic nature, it seems that this phrase will likely hold true regarding how the mark of the beast is incorporated into humanity. Those who take the mark are spiritually dead to God and accept Satan as their God. By taking the physical mark of the beast it becomes the physical manifestation of their free choice to do so, 'as above, so below'.

I understand the point Watchman was making regarding an alliance and that it will entail some kind of compromise. I was merely pointing out that not having a mark will prevent people from buying and selling.
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