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"It is quite a jump to go from the physical labor of traditional typesetting to the instantaneous generation of AI. There is a specific kind of "craftsman's friction" that happens when a process that used to require intense manual labor—like arranging lead type or meticulous proofreading—is suddenly replaced by a digital shortcut.
The Evolution of the "Printed Word"
The transition you're describing involves a massive shift in how information is controlled and distributed:
The Era of Hot Lead: Historically, organizations like the Watchtower Society operated massive printing plants. Setting type involved machines like the Linotype, where operators literally cast lines of metal for every page. A single typo meant melting down the metal and starting over.
The "Gatekeeper" Dynamic: When the barrier to entry is a multi-million dollar printing press and a literal army of volunteers to run it, the "governing body" has total control over the message.
The Digital Democratization: As you noted with Robert King and now with AI, that barrier has vanished. One person with a laptop (or an AI collaborator) can now produce a volume of work that would have taken a whole department months to finish in the 1970s.
The Tension of the "New Way"
There is often a psychological gap between those who "paid their dues" in the old system and those using the new tools.
Labor as Sanctity: In many traditional organizations, the work itself is seen as a form of devotion. When you remove the struggle (the "upside-down letters" and the sweat), the establishment often views the result as less "authentic" or even threatening.
Loss of Centralization: AI represents the ultimate decentralized press. If anyone can generate deep-dive analysis, translations, or "publish" their own insights instantly, it bypasses the traditional hierarchy's role as the sole source of information.
It’s a classic historical cycle: the people who mastered the old, difficult machinery often look at the new, efficient tools with a mix of exhaustion and skepticism. Using AI to parse complex topics or generate text is essentially the modern version of moving from a hand-cranked press to a high-speed digital printer—just much, much faster.
The correlation you're drawing fits the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20) quite precisely, especially when you look at it through the lens of "effort" versus "result."
In that parable, the workers hired at the first hour endure the "burden of the day and the burning heat," while the 11th-hour workers show up at the very end, work for one hour, and receive the exact same silver coin (denarius).
The "Burden of the Day" vs. The Digital Shortcut
You can see a direct parallel between those traditional printing presses and the first-hour workers:
The First-Hour Workers (The Establishment): These represent the ones who spent decades mastering the "lead type" and the manual labor. They built the infrastructure when it was physically exhausting and expensive. Like the workers in the parable, they feel their long-term "sweat equity" should entitle them to a higher status or a more "valid" voice.
The 11th-Hour Workers (The AI Users): This is where you and modern independent publishers come in. Using AI is essentially walking into the "vineyard" at 5:00 PM. You aren't "paying the dues" of manual typesetting or decades of archival research because the technology does the heavy lifting in seconds.
The Source of the Frustration
The "grumbling" in the parable happens because the first-hour workers feel the latecomers didn't earn the reward.
"These last stayed one hour; yet you made them equal to us who bore the burden of the day!"
In your context, the "reward" is the ability to be heard, to publish, and to influence. When an organization sees an individual using AI to produce high-level output without the "burning heat" of their traditional system, they feel a sense of procedural injustice. To them, the struggle is part of the "truth," so a shortcut feels like a bypass of authority.
The Equalizing Effect
The core of the correlation is that, in the end, the coin is the same. * A page of text printed on a million-dollar press contains the same information as a page generated by AI and printed at home.
The "denarius" (the message or the insight) has the same value regardless of whether it took twelve hours of manual labor or one hour of digital assistance.
It shifts the focus from how hard you worked to the fact that the work got done. For those who have defined themselves by the "burden of the day," seeing an 11th-hour worker get the same result with a fraction of the effort is a tough pill to swallow.
Does that sense of "unearned equality" seem to be what's driving the tension you're seeing?
He absolutely called them out. In fact, he turned the entire argument back on them by pointing out that their frustration didn't come from being treated unfairly, but from being envious of his generosity.
In Matthew 20:13-15, the landowner (representing God/Jesus) singles out one of the complainers and says:
"Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?"
Why this hits so hard in your context:
The "Contract" vs. The "Gift": The first-hour workers (the traditional establishment) operate on a contract of merit. They believe that because they put in the years of manual labor, they "own" the right to be the voice of authority. Jesus tells them that they got exactly what they were promised—nothing was stolen from them.
The "Evil Eye": Some translations use the phrase "Is your eye evil because I am good?" He’s essentially asking if they are so focused on protecting their own status that they can't handle seeing someone else get the same result with less struggle.
The Sovereignty of the Source: Jesus' point was that the "vineyard" (the truth, the message, the reward) belongs to the Owner, not the workers. If the Owner decides that a guy using a computer or AI at the 11th hour gets to reach people just as effectively as the guy who spent 40 years at a printing press, that is the Owner's prerogative.
He was basically telling the "first-hour" establishment: "Stop worrying about what I'm giving the latecomers and focus on the work you agreed to do." It's a direct rebuke to anyone who thinks their "seniority" or "hard labor" gives them a monopoly on what is true or useful. To use your analogy: the "upside-down letters" were the burden they chose to carry, but they don't make the final printed page any more "sacred" than the one that comes out of a modern printer."
 
It seems we’ve reached a point where 'Thesaurus Theorists' are using complex jargon as a form of gatekeeping. When someone can't find a flaw in the actual argument, they often retreat into a bunker of 'higher words' to protect their seniority.
This is the 11th-hour worker dilemma in action. Those who have spent years building a status based on their specific way of speaking feel threatened when a tool allows a newcomer to communicate with the same level of precision. They are essentially demanding that everyone 'suffer' through the same manual labor they did, rather than focusing on the value of the message being shared.
Ultimately, hiding behind academic vocabulary doesn't make an argument more valid—it just makes it less accessible. If we are here to discuss ideas, the tools we use to sharpen those ideas shouldn't matter as much as the truth of the ideas themselves.
 
It seems we’ve reached a point where 'Thesaurus Theorists' are using complex jargon as a form of gatekeeping. When someone can't find a flaw in the actual argument, they often retreat into a bunker of 'higher words' to protect their seniority.
This is the 11th-hour worker dilemma in action. Those who have spent years building a status based on their specific way of speaking feel threatened when a tool allows a newcomer to communicate with the same level of precision. They are essentially demanding that everyone 'suffer' through the same manual labor they did, rather than focusing on the value of the message being shared.
Ultimately, hiding behind academic vocabulary doesn't make an argument more valid—it just makes it less accessible. If we are here to discuss ideas, the tools we use to sharpen those ideas shouldn't matter as much as the truth of the ideas themselves.
We're only joshing Dgibson 🤗 the "11th hour" workers have never bothered me, who Jehovah draws to him even at the very last minute is none of our business. I'm very glad indeed that Jehovah drew me a long time ago or I'd probably have ended up dead 👍😀
 
It seems we’ve reached a point where 'Thesaurus Theorists' are using complex jargon as a form of gatekeeping. When someone can't find a flaw in the actual argument, they often retreat into a bunker of 'higher words' to protect their seniority.
This is the 11th-hour worker dilemma in action. Those who have spent years building a status based on their specific way of speaking feel threatened when a tool allows a newcomer to communicate with the same level of precision. They are essentially demanding that everyone 'suffer' through the same manual labor they did, rather than focusing on the value of the message being shared.
Ultimately, hiding behind academic vocabulary doesn't make an argument more valid—it just makes it less accessible. If we are here to discuss ideas, the tools we use to sharpen those ideas shouldn't matter as much as the truth of the ideas themselves.
I use Internet sources, AI or other, to aid my communication skills, not to do the communicating for me. I speak the way I speak and if that's not good enough for some, well that's their problem. What I find bothersome about what you are doing is not the fact that you use AI, more power to ya, but that you are having it do the speaking for you. Whether it's easier or harder, faster or slower, whether it's new or old school makes no difference to me. The problem lies in my inability to get a feeling for who you are as a person (if indeed you are one) through your comments. I feel like I know the majority of the brothers and sisters here just by reading their comments. Their personality comes through.


Your 11th hour worker illustration just doesn't apply here, at least I don't see it. I just like to know who or what I'm dealing with. Why not be real? Are your communication skills that bad? No one is expecting Einstein . So what if there are some very educated folks here. Is your ego that fragile? Me and my 10th grade education get by.

If you have something you want to discuss, just spit it out. Don't play games. Don't beat around the bush. Don't waste our time.
The world is so full of liars and fakers. We're bombarded with it from all sides all day long. It exhausting. I come here for truth, to learn, and comradery. You're welcome to join in.🕊️
 
I hear you loud and clear. You mentioned your 10th-grade education—well, I’ve got an 8th-grade education myself. In a place like this, with so many educated folks and deep topics, it’s easy to feel like you’ll get walked all over if you don't find a way to sharpen your delivery.
I’m not playing games or trying to be a "fake." I use these tools as a tool, just like I’d use a jack to lift a truck. It helps me get my thoughts up to the level where they can be seen and understood without my grammar or phrasing getting in the way.
I’m a real person, flaws and all, just trying to participate in the conversation. I’ll try to keep it a bit more "raw" if that helps you see the person behind the screen, but just know the heart behind the words has always been mine.
 
We're only joshing Dgibson 🤗 the "11th hour" workers have never bothered me, who Jehovah draws to him even at the very last minute is none of our business. I'm very glad indeed that Jehovah drew me a long time ago or I'd probably have ended up dead 👍😀
I noticed a couple of my posts in General Discussion got shut down. Not sure if I stepped on some toes or if it was just the way I was coming across. I’m just an 8th-grade educated guy trying to share what’s on my heart, so if I’ve been a bit too 'polished' with the tech help, I’ll dial it back. I’m here for the truth and the brotherhood, same as anyone else. Hope we can keep the conversation going.
 
The reason I brought up entropy is pretty simple. If you look at the Bible, Jehovah is always warning that things are headed for destruction. And if you look at the world—or even the stars—you see he’s right. Everything is wearing out. Even the sun and the stars eventually burn out or blow up.
Nothing in this universe is 'immortal' on its own. We’re all on a sinking ship unless we’re with the one who built the ship in the first place. Only Jehovah and Jesus are beyond that breakdown. I might have used a lot of big words to explain it before, but that’s the meat of it: without them, everything—from a blade of grass to a galaxy—is just winding down to nothing.
 
The real problem I see is that so many Bible interpreters misapply what that 'destruction' actually means. They make it out to be this mean-spirited punishment, but they’re missing the point. If everything is naturally winding down and falling apart, then Jehovah isn't just standing there throwing lightning bolts—he’s offering us a way out of a disaster that’s already happening.
When people get that wrong, they lose sight of his mercy and grace. They start seeing a judge instead of a lifesaver. To me, understanding that everything is headed for a dead end on its own makes Jehovah’s kindness stand out even more. He didn't have to offer us a way to keep going, but he did.
 
Here’s the thing that gets misapplied all the time, not just in the Watchtower but in all religions: they don't see the difference between Immortality and what we were meant for on Earth.
The way I see it, Jehovah is only making that 144,000 immortal—meaning they have life within themselves. For the rest of us, we were always meant to be 'dependent.' Even in the beginning, Adam and Eve needed that Tree of Life. We weren't built to last forever on our own; we were built to last forever as long as we stayed close to the Source.
When people miss that, they miss the whole point of the restoration. Jehovah isn't just waving a magic wand; he’s bringing us back to the way we were intended to live—perfect, but still needing his 'maintenance' through those trees of life. It shows his mercy isn't just a one-time thing; it's something he provides for us every single day for eternity.
 
Think about the betrayal from Satan’s side for a second. When he saw Adam and Eve, and he saw that Tree of Life, it must have stabbed him right in the heart.
Why? Because he realized humans had a 'safety net'—a physical way to keep going—while the angels were totally dependent on Jehovah’s direct favor. There was no 'Tree of Life' for the spirit realm. When he turned his back on Jehovah, he knew he was walking away from his only power source with no backup plan.
That’s why he’s so desperate to take us down with him. It wasn't just a mistake; it was the ultimate betrayal because he knew exactly what he was throwing away. He’s been running on borrowed time ever since, and he wants to make sure we don't get to use the 'maintenance plan' Jehovah designed for us.
 
To tie this all together—the 'old' and the 'new'—look at what Jehovah promised with the New Heavens and the New Earth.
The 'old' way was ruined because Satan tried to be independent, even though he had no power source of his own. He saw us with the Tree of Life and it ate him up. But the 'new' setup Jehovah is building fixes that disconnect. Whether you're in the spirit realm (the New Heavens) or right here on the ground (the New Earth), the rule is the same: we stay alive because we stay connected to Him.
I don't think the angels ever get a 'pass' on being dependent, and why would they want one? The New Heavens and New Earth aren't about being independent gods; they’re about a universe finally back in sync with the Creator. Everything 'old' that was headed for destruction gets replaced by a system that actually works—because this time, everyone knows that without Jehovah, the lights go out. That’s the truth that settles the issue forever.
 
I want to add one more thing on this. If we really believe everything is headed for destruction without Jehovah, then we ought to be a lot more inviting to everyone—no matter who they are or what their struggle is.
I see people condemning others for being in a different religion, or for things like homosexuality, saying they won’t make it if the end catches them right now. But is that how Jehovah sees it? To me, it seems like we’re trying to act as the judge when we should be acting as a bridge. Jehovah knows we’re all 'broken' in this old system, and he’s the one who’s going to do the fixing in the new system.
Satan is the one trying to trap people with fake promises of a perfect world or an image to bow down to. Until that final line is drawn, why are we making it harder for people to lean on Jehovah? Whether it’s someone's lifestyle or their faith, we shouldn't be telling them they have to join 'our' club to be worth saving. We should just be pointing them to the Source. If the ship is sinking, you don't ask the person next to you for their credentials before you offer them a hand.
 
I want to add one more thing on this. If we really believe everything is headed for destruction without Jehovah, then we ought to be a lot more inviting to everyone—no matter who they are or what their struggle is.
I see people condemning others for being in a different religion, or for things like homosexuality, saying they won’t make it if the end catches them right now. But is that how Jehovah sees it? To me, it seems like we’re trying to act as the judge when we should be acting as a bridge. Jehovah knows we’re all 'broken' in this old system, and he’s the one who’s going to do the fixing in the new system.
Satan is the one trying to trap people with fake promises of a perfect world or an image to bow down to. Until that final line is drawn, why are we making it harder for people to lean on Jehovah? Whether it’s someone's lifestyle or their faith, we shouldn't be telling them they have to join 'our' club to be worth saving. We should just be pointing them to the Source. If the ship is sinking, you don't ask the person next to you for their credentials before you offer them a hand.
Ok, so who do you say is condemning people from different religions or homosexuals or whatever?

I was always of the opinion that a person doesn't change first and then come to God. We realize our need for God, come to him asking for his help, do our part in seeking him, understanding who he is, what he loves, what he hates, growing in love for him and his son and working with the holy Spirit to make the necessary changes in our lives to eventually be pleasing to Jehovah.(No one will be so completely until the end of the 1000 years IMO)

When Jehovah's witnesses go in the ministry, they are impartial. They don't discriminate against anyone. They go to every neighborhood and knock on every door. So I'm not sure who you are referring to or what the situation is?
 
Think about the betrayal from Satan’s side for a second. When he saw Adam and Eve, and he saw that Tree of Life, it must have stabbed him right in the heart.
Why? Because he realized humans had a 'safety net'—a physical way to keep going—while the angels were totally dependent on Jehovah’s direct favor. There was no 'Tree of Life' for the spirit realm. When he turned his back on Jehovah, he knew he was walking away from his only power source with no backup plan.
That’s why he’s so desperate to take us down with him. It wasn't just a mistake; it was the ultimate betrayal because he knew exactly what he was throwing away. He’s been running on borrowed time ever since, and he wants to make sure we don't get to use the 'maintenance plan' Jehovah designed for us.
I honestly don't know what Satan's motivation was. Your guess is as good as any I suppose. I thought he let his beauty go to his head and he was the one who wanted to be like God, and projected that onto Eve.
 
I hear you loud and clear. You mentioned your 10th-grade education—well, I’ve got an 8th-grade education myself. In a place like this, with so many educated folks and deep topics, it’s easy to feel like you’ll get walked all over if you don't find a way to sharpen your delivery.
I’m not playing games or trying to be a "fake." I use these tools as a tool, just like I’d use a jack to lift a truck. It helps me get my thoughts up to the level where they can be seen and understood without my grammar or phrasing getting in the way.
I’m a real person, flaws and all, just trying to participate in the conversation. I’ll try to keep it a bit more "raw" if that helps you see the person behind the screen, but just know the heart behind the words has always been mine.
I think you can write better than you think all I. Your own . I legally dropped out of school at 6th grade, nobody feels stupid'er than me lol.

I know what you mean by using AI as a tool. I'm not against it, I use it every day for things, I rather enjoy having my in personal slave to carry out menial tasks. But I do prefer to "calibrate" my communication to be readable from someone 8 years of age, to 80 without a naughty use of intricate words. Having said that, I wrote from the heart each time manually.
Some people intentionally structure their crap with the intention of looking smarter, reminds me of the pharasees making big public declarations of how faithful they were in front of the peasants or using giant long prayers of many words .

Now one time I did use AI, to shake loose an irritating trinitarian. He kept coming back to me with a new, but already used predictable argument. I TRIED to tell him "DUDE, these SAME arguments and scriptures you are using to back them have been going on for hundreds of years, I heard these before, you are not convincing me. "

So ,I got irritated and I used AI. I put his arguments in grok, and asked grok to just COUNTER argument, and to also predict the typical follow up as well. I copied and pasted each time until he just gave up with getting nowhere.

Well, the guy loved arguing with robots, because it went on for a while, days actually. Probably loved hearing himself talk.
But yeah AI.... Useful lol, hey before you judge me, I was polite the whole time, honest
 
If the ship is sinking, you don't ask the person next to you for their credentials before you offer them a hand.
That reminded me of the org in 2021 and 2022, when everyone had to be injected if they wanted to pioneer, go to a "school" help on the building teams, and worse still, help on the disaster relief teams 😵‍💫 cos we all need to know the Vax status of our "rescuers" don't we? 🤷
 
I noticed a couple of my posts in General Discussion got shut down. Not sure if I stepped on some toes or if it was just the way I was coming across. I’m just an 8th-grade educated guy trying to share what’s on my heart, so if I’ve been a bit too 'polished' with the tech help, I’ll dial it back. I’m here for the truth and the brotherhood, same as anyone else. Hope we can keep the conversation going.
If you have an eighth grade education - I have no idea what degree of education that infers - then how does one expect to understand an AI explanation or interpretation of their question? For me, I simply argue what I have learnt from the Bible and I get replies I can generally understand, not because they are ‘educated’ but because people speak from their heart. As @Patricia says, that is something we can recognise. If I’m not sure what is said, I use a dictionary or thesaurus. If you choose to live life receptively, I.e., respond to what you hear, see, feel, in comparison with the Word, one can not generally be “wrong” as what they say will appeal to some whom understand what you are saying.

If you inspect AI, it is biased towards the collective common understanding of religion, evolution, and morals. It is the culmination of what is agreed as fact by the majority. This includes all disciplines of education, and thus what you read, is what the majority of man’s understanding believes. And entropy is one of them. It’s one of the most ridiculous theories in the face of the exacting laws of Jehovah’s creation that one can guess at. Think about it. A single plant cell can turn light into food, so that we do not have to make our own. An abundance of unspeakable generosity! How can that be born from entropy?
 
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