The purpose of the preaching work

Tell me, where do the Scriptures speak of the "elect" (144,000) going through the great tribulation? Only the Great Company go through the Great tribulation.
If you're referring to "coming through Armageddon" which marks the conclusion of the Great Tribulation, then yes I agree those 7000 sealed brothers of Jesus don't for they will at that time have all been martyred. The beginning part of the Great Tribulation, which on account of its severity has to be cut short, is what they do go through and as a result are then refined and sealed.
How do they end up being commissioned by Jesus to prophecy to the nations during the 42 months of the eighth king's rule if they don't come through that initial phase of the Great Tribulation?
Rev 10:11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
They are commissioned after their sealing.
It is their prophesying/reports from the east that disturb this last king's rule and sets him off into a genocidal rage which leads to his demise.
Dan 11:44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him".
 
Your assertion that Revelation's prophecies have no relevancy in connection with this apostacy (by JW's), despite the fact Jehovah does bring judgement on His people first because of this very issue, is puzzling.
What is 'this apostasy' by JWs that you speak of?

In regard to judgment on his people/house, what event in the Bible is it that fulfills this judgment that first starts on his people/house?
Is it WW3?
Is it the 42-month rule of the 8th king?
Is it something other?

Has the KOTN been put in place yet?
If not, then has the KOTN lead any into this said apostasy yet?
What is this said apostasy by the KOTN?
 
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One of the reasoning points used in the video is:

"The first-century disciples/apostles did not view the Jewish temple/synagogues as "the disgusting thing" and they didn't flee from it, instead, they were in the synagogues regularly preaching in it, so therefore, the modern day application is to stay in the JW organization until the disgusting thing stands in it".

I know I took liberties and paraphrased what Robert said, but I think the main points are there. Here's the problem: the apostles/disciples were NOT going to synagogues regularly to WORSHIP there as quiet observers pretending to go along as "PIMO's". They went there and stood up and taught the TRUTH and exposed the Jewish system of things as incorrect and told their audiences that they needed to CHANGE in order to be saved.

Are JW's doing that now? No. If they tried, they'd get the microphones cut and would be DF'd. That's what happened to Paul, Peter and the rest of the disciples of the first century. They got kicked out of the synagogues and even certain cities for their teachings. Now, if modern day ex-JW's want to do that, then fine. I just don't think that they would be able to get away with it. So what do they do? They start Youtube channels and blogs and preach their message that way.

I personally don't think that Matthew 24:14 will even start until the 3.5 years begins. Christ's first coming and ministry was 3.5 years long and his disciples who later became the anointed joined him and later continued his work and Christ's second coming will be another 3.5 year ministry that his anointed disciples and the great crowd will join in as well. That preaching work WILL cover the whole globe unlike the current one that WT is doing which is not reaching all of China or India or other remote places.

Just my humble opinion to add to the mix....
More food for thought on the subject.

The Watchtower and the disgusting thing> https://e-watchman.com/the-watchtower-and-the-disgusting-thing/

The Disgusting Thing that Causes Desolation> https://e-watchman.com/disgusting-thing-causes-desolation/

Is the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses the disgusting thing?> https://e-watchman.com/is-the-governing-body-the-disgusting-thing/

 
What is 'this apostacy' by JWs that you speak of?

In regard to judgment on his people/house, what event in the Bible is it that fulfills this judgment that first starts on his people/house?
Is it WW3?
Is it the 42-month rule of the 8th king?
Is it something other?

Has the KOTN been put in place yet?
If not, then has the KOTN lead any into this said apostacy yet?
What is this said apostacy by the KOTN?
Read Robert Kings book,
like most on this forum have,you might learn a thing or two.
 
I don’t want to waste my time with the contentious who aren’t sincerely looking for answers.
The world is coming to an end right before our eyes and people got nothing better to do than play mind Games/troll.

Matthew10:​

11 “Into whatever city or village YOU enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until YOU leave.+ 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it;+ but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU. 14 Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet.+ 15 Truly I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom+ and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.+

 
I don’t want to waste my time with the contentious who aren’t sincerely looking for answers.
:ROFLMAO: You are the one that said to Kingdomleast:

Your assertion that Revelation's prophecies have no relevancy in connection with this apostacy (by JW's), despite the fact Jehovah does bring judgement on His people first because of this very issue, is puzzling.

And now when I ask you about the very apostasy and judgement that YOU mention, you have no answer? That is puzzling.:unsure:
 
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Sorry, we'd have to disagree on that. The loosing of the four winds is what caused the great tribulation.
[7 After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”]

[13 The sixth angel blew his trumpet. And I heard one voice from the horns of the golden altar that is before God 14 say to the sixth angel who had the trumpet: “Untie the four angels who are bound at the great river Eu·phraʹtes.” 15 And the four angels who have been prepared for the hour and day and month and year were untied to kill a third of the people. 16 The number of the armies of cavalry was two myriads of myriads; I heard the number of them. 17 And this is how I saw the horses in the vision and those seated on them: They had fire-red and hyacinth-blue and sulfur-yellow breastplates, and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18 A third of the people were killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 For the authority of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with these they inflict harm. 20 But the rest of the people who were not killed by these plagues did not repent of the works of their hands; they did not stop worshipping the demons and the idols of gold and silver and copper and stone and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders nor of their spiritistic practices nor of their sexual immorality nor of their thefts.]

Are you saying that is the GT?
From this event is where you think the great crowd come out from?
 
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You didn't make the columns, did you?
Are you thinking that this is when the 4 angels untie the winds?

[31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]
 
[7 After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”]

[13 The sixth angel blew his trumpet. And I heard one voice from the horns of the golden altar that is before God 14 say to the sixth angel who had the trumpet: “Untie the four angels who are bound at the great river Eu·phraʹtes.” 15 And the four angels who have been prepared for the hour and day and month and year were untied to kill a third of the people. 16 The number of the armies of cavalry was two myriads of myriads; I heard the number of them. 17 And this is how I saw the horses in the vision and those seated on them: They had fire-red and hyacinth-blue and sulfur-yellow breastplates, and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18 A third of the people were killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 For the authority of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with these they inflict harm. 20 But the rest of the people who were not killed by these plagues did not repent of the works of their hands; they did not stop worshipping the demons and the idols of gold and silver and copper and stone and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders nor of their spiritistic practices nor of their sexual immorality nor of their thefts.]

Are you saying that is the GT?
From this event is where you think the great crowd come out from?
Sounds like Armageddon to me
 
The world is coming to an end right before our eyes and people got nothing better to do than play mind Games/troll.

Matthew10:​

11 “Into whatever city or village YOU enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until YOU leave.+ 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it;+ but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU. 14 Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet.+ 15 Truly I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom+ and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.+

Thankfully Robert has the ignore feature so I won't have to listen to these two and their nonsense anymore.
 
Am I missing something here? You are the one here that commented to me and I replied back and you liked my post.

Since then, I seen something that you said to Kingdomleast, so I thought I would ask you about it because you mentioned two subjects that I would like to know about. Kevin even liked what I asked you. Then all of the sudden you don't what to talk about the very same subjects that you brought up?:unsure: You say it is a waste of time to answer me and Kevin says mind games? What am I missing? Why like my post and say to Kingdomleast about the apostasy and judgment on the house of God but then out of nowhere act all weird about it when asked? :unsure:
 
Am I missing something here? You are the one here that commented to me and I replied back and you liked my post.

Since then, I seen something that you said to Kingdomleast, so I thought I would ask you about it because you mentioned two subjects that I would like to know about. Kevin even liked what I asked you. Then all of the sudden you don't what to talk about the very same subjects that you brought up?:unsure: You say it is a waste of time to answer me and Kevin says mind games? What am I missing? Why like my post and say to Kingdomleast about the apostasy and judgment on the house of God but then out of nowhere act all weird about it when asked? :unsure:
You are missing a lot. Maybe he has become bored or no longer wishes to feed your pretended interest. Didn't he say he had blocked you? The fact that you continue to stalk him says it all. Just give it up.
 
You are missing a lot. Maybe he has become bored or no longer wishes to feed your pretended interest. Didn't he say he had blocked you? The fact that you continue to stalk him says it all. Just give it up.
Wow you too?
Why a pretend interest? Don't all here want to know about the apostasy and the judgment that first comes on the house of God?

Will you answer...

What is apostasy that pertains to JWs?
What is this said apostasy by the KOTN?

In regard to judgment on his people/house, what event in the Bible is it that fulfills this judgment that first starts on his people/house?
Is it WW3?
Is it the 42-month rule of the 8th king?
Is it something other?
 
Wow you too?
Why a pretend interest? Don't all here want to know about the apostasy and the judgment that first comes on the house of God?

Will you answer...

What is apostasy that pertains to JWs?
What is this said apostasy by the KOTN?

In regard to judgment on his people/house, what event in the Bible is it that fulfills this judgment that first starts on his people/house?
Is it WW3?
Is it the 42-month rule of the 8th king?
Is it something other?
It was suggested to you to read Jehovah Himself Has Become King. You scoffed and demanded an answer. I say the same thing. Why should I waste 5,000 words on you when you could simply read what I have already written? Are you too lazy to read?
 
If you're referring to "coming through Armageddon" which marks the conclusion of the Great Tribulation, then yes I agree those 7000 sealed brothers of Jesus don't for they will at that time have all been martyred.
7,000 eh? where's that in scripture?
 
Wow you too?
Why a pretend interest? Don't all here want to know about the apostasy and the judgment that first comes on the house of God?

Will you answer...

What is apostasy that pertains to JWs?
What is this said apostasy by the KOTN?

In regard to judgment on his people/house, what event in the Bible is it that fulfills this judgment that first starts on his people/house?
Is it WW3?
Is it the 42-month rule of the 8th king?
Is it something other?

10) Man of Lawlessness

By Robert King|July 19th, 2015



JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING Chapter 10 - Man of Lawlessness “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.” – Apostle Paul – . [...]
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11) Strange Bedfellows

By Robert King|November 1st, 2005

JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING Chapter 11 - Strange Bedfellows “An old saying is: ‘Politics makes strange bedfellows’ ...But when something threatens their way of operation… they join forces with erstwhile rivals or even enemies and distastefully work together” – Watchtower March 15, 1967—. It [...]
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13) King of the North

By Robert King|November 2nd, 2005

JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING Chapter 13 - King of the North “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm” - Daniel 11:40 - . Since the [...]
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Chapter 4 – The Judgment> https://jehovah-is-king.com/judgment-2/
 
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7,000 eh? where's that in scripture?
Like many concepts in the Bible, there isn't absolute proof one way or another; conjecture must be discerned using Bible-based reasoning. There is no verse that says only 7,000 of the 144,000 will be alive at the end of the GT, yet many here believe that due to Robert's work in drawing this out.

Revelation 11:13 "In that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; and 7,000 persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Does this verse confirm our belief? No, but when read in context, it sheds light on who the 7,000 are. In the preceeding verses, the 2 Witnesses are killed. Most of us believe the 2 Witnesses symbolize the sealed brothers of Jesus who are alive during the HOT, and not the literal resurrection of Moses and Elijah. What did Jehovah tell Elijah when he believed he was the last faithful man in Isreal?

1 Kings 19:18 "And I still have left 7,000 in Israel, all whose knees have not bent down to Baʹal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”

If you believe there are 2 groups, the Anointed and the Great Crowd, then you must also believe the Anointed will all be martyred to fulfil the prophesy at Revelation 6:11 "And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been."
Hmmm ... Depending on the name Jehovah or Yahweh. You do know there are dozens of groups out there that bear his name. Just google "Sacred Name groups"

I don't believe belonging to a denomination saves you. Jesus saves you, he died for you. He called me and I answered the call, Yes, I found basic Truths through the Witnesses, but after my spirit begettal, he told me "get out of her" and so I did. If salvation was hinged on belonging to "Jehovah's Visible Organization" I would have stayed and suffered along with it, but salvation is in Jesus only, that was Jehovah's arrangement. He calls us individually and we walk with Him.
Yes, belonging to a denomination doesn't save you, but understanding which organization best fulfills the prophesies does. I believe the WT fulfills them better than any other group, but if you have a better idea, I'd like to hear it. Believing the WT has been used by Jehovah doesn't mean you have to stay inside or give them a pass for their egregious errors. This forum wouldn't exist if we believed the WT was infallible.
 
So at the 2024 annual meeting, Witnesses were told by their Governing Body that they don't have all the answers, particularly regarding judgment. And have admitted that the scriptures give out hope to those outside the Watchtower walls. That those who died during the flood, (Sodom, Gomorrah and others destroyed) will be resurrected.

For 100 years the purpose of the preaching work was to save as many as possible, to bring them into the spiritual ark before the clouds of Armageddon swept them away.

So let me ask ... why are they preaching? Most importantly, what's the purpose of the preaching work?
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who SUFFER THE PUNISHMENT OF ETERNAL FIRE.

Doesn't sound like there will be a resurrection imo.
 
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who SUFFER THE PUNISHMENT OF ETERNAL FIRE.

Doesn't sound like there will be a resurrection imo.
You might want to look at Ezekiel 16, particularly verses 53-57

53 “When I bring back their captives, the captives of Sodom and her daughters, and the captives of Samaria and her daughters, then I will also bring back the captives of your captivity among them, 54 that you may bear your own shame and be disgraced by all that you did when you comforted them. 55 When your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters return to their former state, then you and your daughters will return to your former state. 56 For your sister Sodom was not a byword in your mouth in the days of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered. It was like the time of the reproach of the daughters of [r]Syria and all those around her, and of the daughters of the Philistines, who despise you everywhere.​
And let's not forget the words of our Lord:

Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! - Matthew 10:15​
But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.” - Matthew 11:24​
And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Mark 6:11​
But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city. - Luke 10:12​
 
You might want to look at Ezekiel 16, particularly verses 53-57

53 “When I bring back their captives, the captives of Sodom and her daughters, and the captives of Samaria and her daughters, then I will also bring back the captives of your captivity among them, 54 that you may bear your own shame and be disgraced by all that you did when you comforted them. 55 When your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters return to their former state, then you and your daughters will return to your former state. 56 For your sister Sodom was not a byword in your mouth in the days of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered. It was like the time of the reproach of the daughters of [r]Syria and all those around her, and of the daughters of the Philistines, who despise you everywhere.​
And let's not forget the words of our Lord:

Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! - Matthew 10:15​
But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.” - Matthew 11:24​
And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Mark 6:11​
But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city. - Luke 10:12​
Back up a few verses in Ezekiel to verse 46 onward to 53. Jerusalem was worse that Sodom. Verse 49 and 50 tells explicitly what Sodom was guilty of. Accurate history is so important.
 
Back up a few verses in Ezekiel to verse 46 onward to 53. Jerusalem was worse that Sodom. Verse 49 and 50 tells explicitly what Sodom was guilty of. Accurate history is so important.
And? Does that negate that Sodom will be restored? No!
 
And? Does that negate that Sodom will be restored? No!
I agree. These verses don't explicitly support either way. I would tend to believe that they can be resurrected. I was just mentioning the verses preceding what you mentioned about their sin, which was pride, carefreeness, and inhospitableness with detestable things mentioned last. Quite a difference from what we were taught.
 
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