The Tree of Life

There is a lot more to it. If you get a chance read Two Babylons by Hislop. Nimords mother was the ultimate narcissist. Samiramis , now the center of Gaia, the UNS new religion.. They knew about Jehovah 's proclamation of the Seed.. She wanted Nimrod to be the seed that destroys Jehovahs son..She committed incest with her own son..Thats where the virgin Mary came from with the halo..Christmas tree.. etc. I am surprised Jehovah didn't destroy Babylon back then like he did Sodom and G.
Is this it? I might buy it. Always looking for bible based content.

https://www.amazon.com/Two-Babylons-Alexander-Hislop/dp/0937958573
 
Wasn't there two different trees? The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad, which they were forbidden from eating; and the Tree of Life , which they were barred from eating after they disobeyed God.
That's what seems to be the case. It's just funny not much was said in Genesis about that tree. It doesn't even mention its fruit or anything.
 
First of all, we know that if Adam had not sinned, he could have had perfect offspring, even with Eve. We know this in part because Jesus Mother was imperfect. The insight book points out that the perfect gene is dominant.
Do you think Jehovah actually used an egg from Mary, or did he just use her as a surrogate to carry Jesus Christ who had been placed in her womb?
 
Do you think Jehovah actually used an egg from Mary, or did he just use her as a surrogate to carry Jesus Christ who had been placed in her womb?
No, we know that he had to be Mary's birth son, because he had to be born in the line of David to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David. We can think of the way Jehovah does things as a legal precedent. In addition to that Jehovah told Abraham "by means of your seed..." (another reason why the updated NWT is trash, offspring does not convey the same message), "by means of your seed, all nations will bless themselves." So Jesus had to be a literal offspring, through the line of Abraham, and then later through the line/seed of David.
 
The Tree of Life may have contained some vital nutrient in its fruit or leaves, without which humans would gradually die.

Interesting. Although Jehovah did make the "tree of life" secure so that no one could get near it.
 
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Interesting. Although Jehovah did make the "tree of life" secure so that no one could get near it.
It may be a secret. Humans were not immortal even back then. They had everlasting life, which is different. You still need food, water, air. It's possible everlasting life may require some kind of perpetual nourishment. It wouldn't be that strange. This tree of life may be one of the secrets of Eden lost to time.
 
Something to think about. "...this means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ..." A necessary requirement for life. No mention of any "tree of life"

See also, "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever exercises faith in him will not perish but have everlasting life" Exercising faith in the Christ, is another necessary requirement for life. Again no mention of "the tree of life" That seems to hold true for every requirement that humans must meet, no "tree of life" mentioned.

Still Jehovah said "...every tree of the garden you may eat from..." ( which would have included "the tree of life" It was only the "...tree of the knowledge of good and bad ...", that Adam was forbidden to eat from.

"tree of life" Interesting indeed. We'll have to see what happens.
 
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The WT used to quote from this book.Thats how I knew about it. My husband read the first 2 chapters and got so angry he couldn't read anymore..This research from archaeology and very eye opening..
 
My I add here, that when Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden, they, from that point on, had to forage and work very hard to provide for themselves . Perhaps this was why an angel blocked entrance. They shunned the very Person providing for them and life got hard. That's what they wanted, to make their own decisions, right? Do you think they appreciated what Jehovah gave them in the Garden, I think not. My question is, when Jehovah in a way cursed the ground, did that get lifted?
Judging by how difficult it is to cultivate the ground and to keep a balance on nature, I would think the curse has not been lifted. The balance of nature is out of kilter and man has of course, contributed to that. It is not difficult to see that the agriculture of the world is dwindling in its capacity to reproduce and maintain itself. The water table is also dropping significantly and the strain upon nature is critical world wide. All the major systems from rivers to bird and insect life is teetering upon the brink of rapid decline.
 
It may be a secret. Humans were not immortal even back then. They had everlasting life, which is different. You still need food, water, air. It's possible everlasting life may require some kind of perpetual nourishment. It wouldn't be that strange. This tree of life may be one of the secrets of Eden lost to time.
Ever lasting life does require perpetual “nourishment” - Jehovah! The body and life are two separate entities. Jehovah created Adam, and then breathed life into him, the bible points out. It was only in connection with sin that death was apparent. If you investigate T cells in the body it gives various clues into the regeneration processes and how the body would be self sustaining. Also there is a strong biological link within the prophesy in the scriptures to both world conditions especially post flood, and to the longevity of man and the ability of mankind to provide for his own needs. These certainly are “end times”. See also the issues surrounding independent life given to the 144,000.
 
First of all, we know that if Adam had not sinned, he could have had perfect offspring, even with Eve. We know this in part because Jesus Mother was imperfect. The insight book points out that the perfect gene is dominant.

If you read how Genesis words it, it says, "the knowledge of good and bad." We can be sure the important part here is "and bad." It was not until they sinned that they had "knowledge of bad." Of course the implication that Satan was eluding to was deciding for ourselves what is good or bad. They didn't think it was "bad" to be naked. Not until they sinned, then they were ashamed. Possibly because they had already lost some control over their thinking, or possibly sinning opened up the part of the mind that could contemplate the effects of sin.



I was just thinking a few minutes before you posted this, "at least we can have these discussions on here, whether we are right or wrong, we can have Bible based discussions", unlike the scripted and regulated WT version of "Bible study."
Exactly Nomex; here we can share our scriptural opinions without having to bow to the Watchtower script. Yes we are in harmony with many things but it will not be eye to eye until as Isaiah says in 52:8 "Listen! Your own watchmen have raised their voice. In unison they keep crying out joyfully; for it will be eye to eye that they will see when Jehovah gathers back Zion"
 
First of all, we know that if Adam had not sinned, he could have had perfect offspring, even with Eve. We know this in part because Jesus Mother was imperfect. The insight book points out that the perfect gene is dominant.

If you read how Genesis words it, it says, "the knowledge of good and bad." We can be sure the important part here is "and bad." It was not until they sinned that they had "knowledge of bad." Of course the implication that Satan was eluding to was deciding for ourselves what is good or bad. They didn't think it was "bad" to be naked. Not until they sinned, then they were ashamed. Possibly because they had already lost some control over their thinking, or possibly sinning opened up the part of the mind that could contemplate the effects of sin.



I was just thinking a few minutes before you posted this, "at least we can have these discussions on here, whether we are right or wrong, we can have Bible based discussions", unlike the scripted and regulated WT version of "Bible study."
Yes it's nice to take life's Waters free without the persecution of the Watchtower and their erroneous rules/umbilical policies.

The governing body need to get reacquainted with this passage in Matthew11:

28 Come to me, all YOU who are toiling and loaded down,+ and I will refresh YOU. 29 Take my yoke+ upon YOU* and learn from me,*+ for I am mild-tempered+ and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment+ for YOUR souls.* 30 For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”
 
What's the deal with the tree of life? In genesis the Bible alludes to it as an actual tree. It first mentions it at Genesis 2:9. It goes over God creating food for Adam and Eve. It basically says "Hey, I got all this awesome food. I think you guys will like it. Oh and then there's the tree of life." It then describes the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. That's the tree everyone thinks about in the garden of Eden. But what about this tree of life? It just kind of glosses over it. The bible does mention it again after Adam and Eve sin.

He basically kicks them out so they can't eat from this tree and live forever. That suggests it was a literal tree. In prophecy it speaks about it too, but that often seems to be metaphorical. Take Proverbs 3:18, which seems to be using this tree of life as a symbol of wisdom and understanding. Then in Revelation is talks about granting us permission to this tree of life. I just realized I never thought about this before. Prophecy often uses symbolism like waters of life, so I never thought much about it. But if the tree of the knowledge of good and bad was a legit tree, does that mean the tree of life was also a literal tree?

It certainly seems to have started off as a literal tree in the Garden of Eden but took on symbolic meaning in later parts of the Bible. My question is, will there exist an actual tree in paradise we need to eat from to live forever, or is it purely symbolic now?
So think about why Jehovah cut Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden. Was it from the tree of knowledge which they had already partaken of, or where they cut off from the tree of life?
 
The Tree of Life may have contained some vital nutrient in its fruit or leaves, without which humans would gradually die.
The key to eternal life physically/genetically is a molecule called telomerase, since it repairs DNA. Every male's Y chromosome loses 3 base pairs per generation... so I have 3 less than my father, and my sons have 3 less than I do. In the quest to live forever, humans have been trying to bypass Jehovah for years, but "science" will NEVER duplicate His creative powers. I'd bet the tree of life contained copious amounts of the materials needed to make this molecule and/or repair it. There are supplements that boost telomerase activity, but nothing duplicates Jehovah's power. I think His Holy Spirit is the missing ingredient. Without it, nothing works perfectly. Jesus mentioned "power" leaving him when he cured the woman with a bleeding disorder. I think the power of the HS is what made and kept Jesus perfect.
 
Ever lasting life does require perpetual “nourishment” - Jehovah! The body and life are two separate entities. Jehovah created Adam, and then breathed life into him, the bible points out. It was only in connection with sin that death was apparent. If you investigate T cells in the body it gives various clues into the regeneration processes and how the body would be self sustaining. Also there is a strong biological link within the prophesy in the scriptures to both world conditions especially post flood, and to the longevity of man and the ability of mankind to provide for his own needs. These certainly are “end times”. See also the issues surrounding independent life given to the 144,000.
Of course, we're going to need our main nourishment from Jah. But are you suggesting we won't need food, water, or oxygen? I could go chill on the moon without a space suit? What about the sun? Could I build an apartment on the sun?


Jesus was perfect, and I'm pretty sure he still needed to breathe, eat, drink, sleep. Although he did fast a long time in the wilderness.
 
Judging by how difficult it is to cultivate the ground and to keep a balance on nature, I would think the curse has not been lifted. The balance of nature is out of kilter and man has of course, contributed to that. It is not difficult to see that the agriculture of the world is dwindling in its capacity to reproduce and maintain itself. The water table is also dropping significantly and the strain upon nature is critical world wide. All the major systems from rivers to bird and insect life is teetering upon the brink of rapid decline.
Well, recently you can't dismiss the literal destruction they are doing with weather manipulation and such.

What about during the Cold War when they detonated Nuclear bombs in the Ionosphere to see what happens?
 
Well, recently you can't dismiss the literal destruction they are doing with weather manipulation and such.

What about during the Cold War when they detonated Nuclear bombs in the Ionosphere to see what happens?
Very true. I don’t think I mentioned weather manipulation - I have never given it much thought, but if it is so then yes, that would not help. Nuclear testing thus far has been of little consequence compared with industrial pollution, not to mention the wastelands of India and China churning out filth as if tomorrow will never come. It’s the whole system of things rather one or two items, and the fact that we industrialise rather than live in nature as part of it. I’m sure that natural law will be at our disposal to use come the kingdom - the earth oozes pollution free energy were we able to find and utilise it, and of course, nature also recycles natural energy sources that are excreted by all living things.
 
Very true. I don’t think I mentioned weather manipulation - I have never given it much thought, but if it is so then yes, that would not help. Nuclear testing thus far has been of little consequence compared with industrial pollution,
Actually it is very significant, because Nuclear explosions create EMP which disrupts electrical fields, and they detonated that in the ionosphere, which contains such fields.

From there you can imagine how irresponsible they are.
 
No, we know that he had to be Mary's birth son, because he had to be born in the line of David to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David. We can think of the way Jehovah does things as a legal precedent. In addition to that Jehovah told Abraham "by means of your seed..." (another reason why the updated NWT is trash, offspring does not convey the same message), "by means of your seed, all nations will bless themselves." So Jesus had to be a literal offspring, through the line of Abraham, and then later through the line/seed of David.
Wow...great reasoning! Funny how a little thing like that slips by, but not so little too. Thanks!
 
No way of knowing. Many plants and fruits are poisonous. God did not intend them for human consumption. However, the main reason the tree of the knowledge of good and bad was forbidden is because the tree belonged to God
A dietary restriction. The blood belongs to Jehovah too. (well everything does )
 
with a body that was/is self sustaining.
Interesting application, I guess you know what you mean. I suspect you don't mean that Adam had life within himself, or do you? Still Adam had/developed the ability to provide for himself,
 
I remember back in early nineties when listening to Netanyahu being interviewed he said 'the only obstacle to world peace is syntax' meaning language. Perhaps the holy book was explaining the thing that holds minds being able to accomplish a singular purpose was their being able to speak the same language? I believe the tree of knowledge to be literal otherwise why station an angel with a flaming sword to protect it? Gen3:24
Absolutely! Good point.
 
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