The truth about Jehovah’s Witnesses

Carl

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He's either a very sophisticated Bot or counting time here.
I have no doubt he's counting time here, which begs the question... is time still counted by the WT, or is it a personal thing? Do people who count time actually think Jehovah's checking their spreadsheet? One of the things I couldn't stand about being out in service was that 50% of the time was spent getting coffee & donuts. I thought it was very disingenuous and extremely pressured. I always preferred informal witnessing. I was told that counts as time. After I heard that, I felt sleazy the next time I witnessed and then wrote down 15 minutes, even if it was only 8. I was told to put down 15 minutes for any time I witnessed informally. It never felt right after that.
 

Watchman

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I have no doubt he's counting time here, which begs the question... is time still counted by the WT, or is it a personal thing? Do people who count time actually think Jehovah's checking their spreadsheet? One of the things I couldn't stand about being out in service was that 50% of the time was spent getting coffee & donuts. I thought it was very disingenuous and extremely pressured. I always preferred informal witnessing. I was told that counts as time. After I heard that, I felt sleazy the next time I witnessed and then wrote down 15 minutes, even if it was only 8. I was told to put down 15 minutes for any time I witnessed informally. It never felt right after that.
Actually, I think he is an opposer who is only pretending to defend the Watchtower to demonstrate that 1914 is indefensible ;)
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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I have no doubt he's counting time here, which begs the question... is time still counted by the WT, or is it a personal thing? Do people who count time actually think Jehovah's checking their spreadsheet? One of the things I couldn't stand about being out in service was that 50% of the time was spent getting coffee & donuts. I thought it was very disingenuous and extremely pressured. I always preferred informal witnessing. I was told that counts as time. After I heard that, I felt sleazy the next time I witnessed and then wrote down 15 minutes, even if it was only 8. I was told to put down 15 minutes for any time I witnessed informally. It never felt right after that.
They stopped counting time and placements and links to videos etc a few months ago Carl. When the elder in charge texts and asks if I've done any ministry I still mention how many hours I've done but only because I like to add how many links I've sent to the Bible. This particular elder used to praise me for the amount of videos I showed in the ministry, or links to videos. He surely must wonder why I stopped sending links to everything except the Bible. But he's never mentioned it to me.. odd..
 

BroRando

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Brother Russell as far back as 1876 was claiming that 1914 was the End of the Gentile times. 2034 is the end of the last days where the separation work begins of what was collected in the (time of trouble) for Jehovah's Name.
Thank you for your response. I do find your statement here extremely interesting has it aligns directly to Brother Russell's comment about the time of trouble that would begin in 1914. The world would be on fire, symbolically speaking. Watching the News and examining your comment just re-assures me that Brother Russell was right all along.

@Watchman
CT Russell was right in so far as realizing that the end of the Gentile times would be the end of Satan's world. But by all accounts, the world did not end in 1914 nor has it ended any time since then. Years after Russell's belly flop the theocratic spinmeisters reworked the Gentile times and 1914 to be, not the end of the world, but the beginning of a decades-long conclusion and phantasmic, invisible parousia. The outbreak of the now-looming WW3 will permanently dissolve this long-standing delusion.

Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

I would think your quote only permanently confirms this time of trouble not dissolve it. Anyways, something to think about.
The outbreak of the now-looming WW3 will permanently dissolve this long-standing delusion.
 
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JMJLG

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Thank you for your response. I do find your statement here extremely interesting has it aligns directly to Brother Russell's comment about the time of trouble that would begin in 1914. The world would be on fire, symbolically speaking. Watching the News and examining your comment just re-assures me that Brother Russell was right all along.



Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

I would think your quote only permanently confirms this time of trouble not dissolve it. Anyways, something to think about.
After WW1 , and WW2 , the world has seen a very long period of peace . Living standards as well as medical advancements have led to the worlds population expanding as never before . In the last 40 years , there has been the decline of living standards . Then there has been the Covid lie that has been told , and an experimental vaccine that needed the definition of what a vaccine is , for it to be called a vaccine . Hundreds of thousands have been injured and have died as a result of this manufactured virus , and the resulting deaths from the so called vaccine .We are nearing a time , where many things are going to happen , but 1914 was over 100 years ago . No matter how much the W/T shuffle and shake dates around . No matter what dates and overlapping generations they pull out from the magicians hat . The real start to what is to come , will truly show who has kept awake , and who has been asleep .
 

Jim

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After WW1 , and WW2 , the world has seen a very long period of peace . Living standards as well as medical advancements have led to the worlds population expanding as never before . In the last 40 years , there has been the decline of living standards . Then there has been the Covid lie that has been told , and an experimental vaccine that needed the definition of what a vaccine is , for it to be called a vaccine . Hundreds of thousands have been injured and have died as a result of this manufactured virus , and the resulting deaths from the so called vaccine .We are nearing a time , where many things are going to happen , but 1914 was over 100 years ago . No matter how much the W/T shuffle and shake dates around . No matter what dates and overlapping generations they pull out from the magicians hat . The real start to what is to come , will truly show who has kept awake , and who has been asleep .
Likely, millions DEAD. And it is in no way, over.
 

Watchman

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Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
In the book Jehovah Himself Has become King in the chapter on The Parousia I compared all the relevant Scriptures to show that the manifestation, revelation and parousia are virtually interchangeable terms. Furthermore, I have never stated that the manifestation of Christ will be in the flesh. Saul/Paul saw the manifestation of Christ after the ascension and it definitely was not in the flesh
 

SusanB

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WTS quote - (Bible Examiner) - In the year 1876 the twenty-four-year-old Russell made a contribution on the subject to this magazine. It was published in Volume XXI, Number 1, which was the issue of October, 1876. On pages 27, 28 of that issue Russell’s article was published under the title “Gentile Times: When Do They End?” In that article (page 27) Russell said: “The seven times will end in A.D. 1914.”- End of WTS Quote.

Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." The Bible Students Monthly, January, 1914.

"Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to that period before the Flood, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."

He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62) The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly." (Matthew 24:21)

International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."
Its pretty unbelievable to me that BroRando would use this scripture to support an invisible presence.

Matthew 24:36-39: “‘Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”

They took no note “until the Flood came”. Trust me, they saw the literal flood, they just didn’t pay attention to the warning that it was coming. But once the flood was there, it could not be denied. Now who fits that description? I think the brothers and sisters could be described as taking no note because they are not heeding the warning that when Jesus comes there will be undeniable evidence and those who have not repented may be in for as big a shock as those who were caught unaware by the flood.
 

Ana

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In the back of my mind in my early years in the organization I always said to myself. “Without exception all of the leadership of the Israelites always went apostate”. What would make Jehovahs modern day people any different?
Actually, I think he is an opposer who is only pretending to defend the Watchtower to demonstrate that 1914 is indefensible ;)
Se está haciendo horas para se precursor regular con el foro. Seria hasta entrañable☺️
 

JMJLG

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Its pretty unbelievable to me that BroRando would use this scripture to support an invisible presence.

Matthew 24:36-39: “‘Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”

They took no note “until the Flood came”. Trust me, they saw the literal flood, they just didn’t pay attention to the warning that it was coming. But once the flood was there, it could not be denied. Now who fits that description? I think the brothers and sisters could be described as taking no note because they are not heeding the warning that when Jesus comes there will be undeniable evidence and those who have not repented may be in for as big a shock as those who were caught unaware by the flood.
Maybe they shouted to Noah , the flood came over a hundred years ago . It was all settled then . But if you like , you can keep your beard .
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Maybe they shouted to Noah , the flood came over a hundred years ago . It was all settled then . But if you like , you can keep your beard .
What a momentous day it must have been at bethel, when news filtered down from the glorious panelled meeting room of the GB, that, through His channel, Jehovah had reassured His faithful and discreet slave, that beards were in fact, ok. Can we even begin to imagine when that foundation stone of a scroll was written and laid with full ceremony, next the scroll on tight pants, in the hallowed archive of Kings Drive. How honoured must have been that scribe who was tasked in recording such new light on fine parchment, his quill dipped with such reverence into the ink, it’s scrape upon the parchment, the sealing, with molten wax and silk ribbon, and with due ceremony, laid in reference for all time amongst the treasured utterances of the a Grand Creator. “Beards are ok.” Just think of the applause, how it must have shaken the very foundations of heaven!
 

JMJLG

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What a momentous day it must have been at bethel, when news filtered down from the glorious panelled meeting room of the GB, that, through His channel, Jehovah had reassured His faithful and discreet slave, that beards were in fact, ok. Can we even begin to imagine when that foundation stone of a scroll was written and laid with full ceremony, next the scroll on tight pants, in the hallowed archive of Kings Drive. How honoured must have been that scribe who was tasked in recording such new light on fine parchment, his quill dipped with such reverence into the ink, it’s scrape upon the parchment, the sealing, with molten wax and silk ribbon, and with due ceremony, laid in reference for all time amongst the treasured utterances of the a Grand Creator. “Beards are ok.” Just think of the applause, how it must have shaken the very foundations of heaven!
I just wonder what they are holding back in reserve , ready for some more new light . Maybe a Sunday talk done in Rap ? Maybe an interval with drinks served , every three drinks , gets you a free vaccine , and a Pfizer tee shirt , (Not yet wearable for the hall ) .
 

Bk Kevin

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Or, to the FEMA Camp with a "contribution box" front and center.
And at the same time with all the chaos the Watchtower will be saying that Jesus is in there inner Chambers,

Matthew24:​

23 “Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’+ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.+ 24 For false Christs+ and false prophets+ will arise and will give great signs+ and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.+ 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU.+ 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it.+
 

BagdadBill

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I just wonder what they are holding back in reserve , ready for some more new light . Maybe a Sunday talk done in Rap ? Maybe an interval with drinks served , every three drinks , gets you a free vaccine , and a Pfizer tee shirt , (Not yet wearable for the hall ) .
Instructions that make no sense. Isn't that what they already primed us for? That points me back to something I told a brother a long time ago. I have to answer for myself and so does everyone else. There won't be any fleeing to the mountains but I suspect that they will pop up with something.
 
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