The Watchtower and world government

[Watchman]

Back in the 1990s, many readers of the Watchtower and AWAKE! magazines noticed the change of tone toward the UN as well as the hundreds of Watching the World snippets that cited some UN departments or programs. (Talk about "the voice of strangers")

Then, in 2001, it came to light that the Watchtower had secretly entered into a political partnership with the United Nations 10 years earlier. All those favorable articles were written so that the Watchtower could meet the criteria required by the NGO partnership. While the official NGO membership was hastily dissolved after the London Guardian exposed it, the Watchtower continues to tout the UN as the supreme authority, even pretending that its mandates supersede the national and local authorities. This was most evident during the COVID hysteria.

I only bring this up because there is an article on the front page of jw.org, ostensibly promoting God's Kingdom but displaying the same fawning sentiment over the United Nations as before. Sure, the articles are always cleverly written so that there is plausible deniability, but their bias and intent are evident once you are attuned to their scheme. The opening paragraph states:

The United Nations is promoting the concept of “global citizenship.” Goals include encouraging international cooperation, respecting human rights, and protecting our planet. The reason? As expressed by Maher Nasser in the UN Chronicle, “climate change, organized crime, rising inequalities, unresolved conflicts, mass displacement of people, global terrorism, infectious diseases, and similar threats do not recognize . . . borders.”

The above statement is globalist propaganda. In recent years, there has been a concerted effort to dissolve national borders and to dilute national identities through mass immigration. Terrorists and drug cartels have been given free access because globalist influence has overcome long-standing national interests. National borders cannot protect against the spread of disease? Really? That is a blatant lie. During the COVID hysteria, Trump was pilloried for trying to shut the borders down. He was decried as a racist for even suggesting it.

For as long as the UN has existed, the Watchtower has echoed the globalists' propaganda that nationalism is the world's main problem and that only a world government can fix everything. The third paragraph states:

Shortly after World War II, which saw the use of two atomic bombs, Albert Einstein wrote an open letter to the General Assembly of the United Nations. “The United Nations,” he said, “must act with utmost speed to create the necessary conditions for international security by laying the foundations for a real world government.”

Creating a problem (war) and then imposing a solution (world government) is called the Hegelian dialectic. Because nations are drawn into war, even though reluctantly, nationalism is identified as the root of the problem. The real promoters of war, however, the bankers and internationalists, in short, the Empire, not only profit financially but then seek to increase their power over the nations under the guise of providing security. Back before the Second World War, one of the Watchtower's preferred British historians, H.G. Wells, published a book called The Open Conspiracy, in which he provided what some have called a blueprint for world revolution and the replacement of the nation-state system with world government. The UN was intended to be just that. But just as was the case with the failed League of Nations, nationalism has proved to be too strong, and the UN has been more or less an impotent paper tiger.

To fix nationalism, the globalists have targeted patriots. They are now marked as extremists and terrorists. It does not take a great deal of imagination to envision the next "problem" will be another war and a global financial crash. The reaction will be absolute panic. The "solution" will be absolute government, world government. Since the Watchtower has been surreptitiously advocating this very thing under the guise of promoting a world government by God, we may expect the disgusting thing to come into full view when the "problem" begins.

Monday, March 4th - Will there be a world government?

I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads. —Rev. 13:1. What is the seven-headed wild beast? We notice that this beast has the general appearance of a leopard but the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion, and it has ten horns. All of these are also features of...

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[Jerry&Phyllis]

We may expect the disgusting thing to come into full view when the "problem" begins.

Would it be safe to assume that the organization's ten year association with the UN triggered the beginning of the fulfillment of the following verses?

(Mark 13:14) “However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it ought not (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Matthew 24:15) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),

 

[Watchman]

No. I don't think so. It will be more obvious and not so secretive. And it will be immediately before the tribulation during the beginning pangs of distress of war and all the rest.

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

Thanks for your insight on our speculation.
Makes sense that the "full" exposure would not be secretive. But was just curious, by your using "full view" in your commentary, if you thought, it might possibly have begun with their secret UN alliance. Thanks, again.

 

[Watchman]

Thanks for your insight on our speculation.
Realize the "full" exposure will be as you stated but just curious, by your using "full view" in your commentary, if you thought, it might possibly have begun with their secret UN alliance. Thanks, again.

I am sure the masons within the Watchtower organization, who have been there over successive generations, are there on assignment to subtly steer the organization into apostasy. Clearly, the Watchtower's 10 year partnership with the UN was an act of apostasy but it was largely unnoticed by JWs. The disgusting thing standing where is ought not will be obvious to all and thus obligating all to get out or else be lost.

 

[Carl]

Back in the 1990s, many readers of the Watchtower and AWAKE! magazines noticed the change of tone toward the UN as well as the hundreds of Watching the World snippets that cited some UN departments or programs. (Talk about "the voice of strangers")

Then, in 2001, it came to light that the Watchtower had secretly entered into a political partnership with the United Nations 10 years earlier. All those favorable articles were written so that the Watchtower could meet the criteria required by the NGO partnership. While the official NGO membership was hastily dissolved after the London Guardian exposed it, the Watchtower continues to tout the UN as the supreme authority, even pretending that its mandates supersede the national and local authorities. This was most evident during the COVID hysteria.

I only bring this up because there is an article on the front page of jw.org, ostensibly promoting God's Kingdom but displaying the same fawning sentiment over the United Nations as before. Sure, the articles are always cleverly written so that there is plausible deniability, but their bias and intent are evident once you are attuned to their scheme. The opening paragraph states:

The above statement is globalist propaganda. In recent years, there has been a concerted effort to dissolve national borders and to dilute national identities through mass immigration. Terrorists and drug cartels have been given free access because globalist influence has overcome long-standing national interests. National borders cannot protect against the spread of disease? Really? That is a blatant lie. During the COVID hysteria, Trump was pilloried for trying to shut the borders down. He was decried as a racist for even suggesting it.

For as long as the UN has existed, the Watchtower has echoed the globalists' propaganda that nationalism is the world's main problem and that only a world government can fix everything. The third paragraph states:

Creating a problem (war) and then imposing a solution (world government) is called the Hegelian dialectic. Because nations are drawn into war, even though reluctantly, nationalism is identified as the root of the problem. The real promoters of war, however, the bankers and internationalists, in short, the Empire, not only profit financially but then seek to increase their power over the nations under the guise of providing security. Back before the Second World War, one of the Watchtower's preferred British historians, H.G. Wells, published a book called The Open Conspiracy, in which he provided what some have called a blueprint for world revolution and the replacement of the nation-state system with world government. The UN was intended to be just that. But just as was the case with the failed League of Nations, nationalism has proved to be too strong, and the UN has been more or less an impotent paper tiger.

To fix nationalism, the globalists have targeted patriots. They are now marked as extremists and terrorists. It does not take a great deal of imagination to envision the next "problem" will be another war and a global financial crash. The reaction will be absolute panic. The "solution" will be absolute government, world government. Since the Watchtower has been surreptitiously advocating this very thing under the guise of promoting a world government by God, we may expect the disgusting thing to come into full view when the "problem" begins.

Monday, March 4th - Will there be a world government?

I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads. —Rev. 13:1. What is the seven-headed wild beast? We notice that this beast has the general appearance of a leopard but the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion, and it has ten horns. All of these are also features of...

e-jehovahs-witnesses.com

I describe myself as an open border, multi-cultural Christian globalist. This throws both sides into confusion.

 

[Bk Kevin]

Would it be safe to assume that the organization's ten year association with the UN triggered the beginning of the fulfillment of the following verses?

(Mark 13:14) “However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it ought not (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Matthew 24:15) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),

Who can say for sure when the beginning actually started, I mean I'm sure there was a gradual build-up to their friendship /association and by the Watchtower supporting the covid-19 kill shot surely proves that they are still Bosom Buddies nonetheless I think your assumption is is on point.

Here's what we do know for sure according to Daniel.

Daniel12:​

"11 And all the way to the Prince+ of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature]*+ was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.+ 12 And an army itself was gradually given over,+ together with the constant [feature],+ because of transgression;+ and it kept throwing truth+ to the earth,+ and it acted and had success.+13 And I got to hear a certain holy one+ speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature]+ and of the transgression causing desolation,*+ to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?”+ 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”*+

Daniel8:​

10 Many will cleanse themselves+ and whiten themselves+ and will be refined.+ And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly,+ and no wicked ones at all will understand;+ but the ones having insight will understand.+11 “And from the time that the constant [feature]*+ has been removed+ and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing+ that is causing desolation,* there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.12 “Happy+ is* the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!13 “And as for you yourself, go toward the end;*+ and you will rest,+ but you will stand up for your lot at the end* of the days.”+
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[The Black Sheep]

It's honestly embarrassing to see the WT abate the organization that they once spoke about in a fire and brimstone manner. And also eerie when I think about the political cartoons the Awakes used to disseminate in the 90s.

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

Who can say for sure when the beginning actually started, I mean I'm sure there was a gradual build-up to their friendship /association and by the Watchtower supporting the covid-19 kill shot surely proves that they are still Bosom Buddies nonetheless I think your assumption is is on point.

Here's what we do know for sure according to Daniel.

Daniel12:​

"11 And all the way to the Prince+ of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature]*+ was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.+ 12 And an army itself was gradually given over,+ together with the constant [feature],+ because of transgression;+ and it kept throwing truth+ to the earth,+ and it acted and had success.+13 And I got to hear a certain holy one+ speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature]+ and of the transgression causing desolation,*+ to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?”+ 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”*+

Daniel8:​

10 Many will cleanse themselves+ and whiten themselves+ and will be refined.+ And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly,+ and no wicked ones at all will understand;+ but the ones having insight will understand.+11 “And from the time that the constant [feature]*+ has been removed+ and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing+ that is causing desolation,* there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.12 “Happy+ is* the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!13 “And as for you yourself, go toward the end;*+ and you will rest,+ but you will stand up for your lot at the end* of the days.”+
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We can understand how the complete/final fulfillment could not be obscure since it would need to be obvious to the R&F. However, from our perspective, we don't feel our "fleeing Jerusalem" was premature. Their secret alliance as well as their stance on the jabs sealed the deal.
Thanks, as always, for the scriptures.

 

[Soul Sage]

All the Watchtower and Awake articles I read always talked bad about Nationalism. However, Jehovah wanted many nations to sprout forth. If he did not, he would of never confused people's language at Babel, forcing them to spread about, separate, and create a multitude of nations. Even the land given to the Jews was to have borders. Globalism essentially brings back the Tower of Babel. Having such control and power over everyone. And still, being a global citizen is not considered "unity". Otherwise, the Tower of Babel would be seem as "precious unity" as the GB has said. For there was practically nothing humanity could not do, including bad things because they were so "United". Nationalism is not the threat even though some nations are. It's better than living under a corrupt King in a monarchy. Even Charles Taze Russell recognized that. It's why he said the Gentile times have ended, knowing the changing world order and the planning of the Federal reserve, he saw this happen before he died in 1916. With religious freedom flourishing in the United States because Europe's monarchy would persecute and kill any heretics.

That's why many moved to America to escape the religious persecution. They made examples of those like Michael Servetus, Martin Luther and William Tyndale. Under a globalist world order, there would be no where to escape the Anti Christ's worldwide dictatorship. And the fact that Watchtower and Awake talk about the dangers of Nationalism and yet never mentions the danger of Globalism means that they are blindsided.

 

[BagdadBill]

It's honestly embarrassing to see the WT abate the organization that they once spoke about in a fire and brimstone manner. And also eerie when I think about the political cartoons the Awakes used to disseminate in the 90s.

Without going into a comparison or rating of sins, one of the most humiliating things a human endure is being caught in a lie. There are plenty of scriptures which illustrate this simple truth. Watchtower, our fearless leaders got exposed and when they did, they immediately became defensive out of shame.
Not once since they were called out for their UN hypocrisy have they ever humbled themselves. Even King David humbled himself when Jehovah corrected him. If great King David repented then who are we to refuse correction?

 

[StillA_WorshiperOfJah]

I only bring this up because there is an article on the front page of jw.org, ostensibly promoting God's Kingdom but displaying the same fawning sentiment over the United Nations as before.

Does anyone actually believe that this partnership has truly been dissolved? I mean they may have ended that particular NGO, but there is evidence of several current existing WT NGOs.

 

[BagdadBill]

Does anyone actually believe that this partnership has truly been dissolved? I mean they may have ended that particular NGO, but there is evidence of several current existing WT NGOs.

I don't. It is my understanding that the UN no longer publishes lists of its NGOs. If this whole thing is as deep and connected as it seems then it would be nothing for the UN to have discreetly removed Watchtower's name while keeping them on.

 

[StillA_WorshiperOfJah]

Post in thread 'Watchtowers affiliation with the UN' https://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/in...owers-affiliation-with-the-un.2139/post-52007

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

Watchtower, our fearless leaders got exposed and when they did, they immediately became defensive out of shame.
Not once since they were called out for their UN hypocrisy have they ever humbled themselves. Even King David humbled himself when Jehovah corrected him. If great King David repented then who are we to refuse correction?

UN.....1975.....Jab (which cost lives making them blood guilty).
In spite of the following article from the w80 concerning the 1975 debacle, so many of the R&F defend or excuse away the actions of the GB.

*** w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 pars. 4-6 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***
In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

AT the WT study for the above article, comments from the audience were to the effect, Yeah, it's our fault....The GB never said 1975 was a date to expect the GT. We, the R&F, read more into it than what the GB said. WT definitely presented 1975 as more than a probability.

 

[Bk Kevin]

We can understand how the complete/final fulfillment could not be obscure since it would need to be obvious to the R&F. However, from our perspective, we don't feel our "fleeing Jerusalem" was premature. Their secret alliance as well as their stance on the jabs sealed the deal.
Thanks, as always, for the scriptures.

I personally got the big steel toe boot from the organization due to the fact I confronted the elders with their numerous wrong teachings in respect to Bible principles that Jesus clearly laid out and quite frankly I was confused as well and devastated for quite a few years because I understood that these are Jehovah's people nonetheless I tried to go back numerous times but could not keep my mouth closed and got told where the door was in so many words if you know what I mean.
PS everybody has to make a choice based on their conscience when confronted with their own personal situation along with prayer to Jehovah in regards to the Watchtower and there erroneous teachings, as it stands right now I would not recommend a Bible study from Watchtower to anybody due to my conscience nor would I recommend them going to meetings if they feel that they are in spiritual danger.

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

I personally got the big steel toe boot from the organization due to the fact I confronted the elders with their numerous wrong teachings in respect to Bible principles that Jesus clearly laid out and quite frankly I was confused as well and devastated for quite a few years because I understood that these are Jehovah's people nonetheless I tried to go back numerous times but could not keep my mouth closed and got told where the door was in so many words if you know what I mean.
PS everybody has to make a choice based on their conscience when confronted with their own personal situation along with prayer to Jehovah in regards to the Watchtower and there erroneous teachings, as it stands right now I would not recommend a Bible study from Watchtower to anybody due to my conscience nor would I recommend them going to meetings if they feel that they are in spiritual danger.

Initially we were devastated as well and still harbor feelings similar to the ones you expressed. We feel the need to witness but ask ourselves, how would we point interested ones to the organization knowing what we now know? So, we witness on a casual basis. Like you, we definitely wouldn't be able to keep our mouths shut and therefore, wouldn't be able to comment freely and, in all likelihood, would be shown the back door as well. And, yes, I know exactly what you mean.

The other day a neighbor came over to the our ranch headquarters. He said a couple of witnesses stopped by his house, apparently they were new to the congregation since we quit attending. I drove by his house on my 4-wheeler as they were talking and our neighbor told them, that's him there. They said they had heard of us, apparently through the grapevine, and they told our neighbor that we weren't doing well (whatever that means- I assume, spiritually). They will find out soon when they receive the letter we will be sending out which includes several links to e-watchman). It's a work in progress.

I had a two hours discussion with our neighbor and e-mailed him a few articles/videos about the jab and its dangers. We'll see what, if anything, transpires.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Without going into a comparison or rating of sins, one of the most humiliating things a human endure is being caught in a lie. There are plenty of scriptures which illustrate this simple truth. Watchtower, our fearless leaders got exposed and when they did, they immediately became defensive out of shame.
Not once since they were called out for their UN hypocrisy have they ever humbled themselves. Even King David humbled himself when Jehovah corrected him. If great King David repented then who are we to refuse correction?

And they've told a very big lie in the latest article on Norway

 

[Watchman]

I don't. It is my understanding that the UN no longer publishes lists of its NGOs. If this whole thing is as deep and connected as it seems then it would be nothing for the UN to have discreetly removed Watchtower's name while keeping them on.

One can do a search on the UN's DPI-NGO site and find out all acredited NGOs. Besides, after the ruckus the WT caused had the WT not dissolved its NGO affiliation, the UN would have. Still, though, the Watchtower is still whoring for it. It can't help it. As Jehovah said: "Can a leopard change its spots?"

 

[BagdadBill]

I don't recall reading what the circumstances were of the person who found this out. What were they looking for initially? I suspect that finding our organizational name wasn't the original purpose of the search. Sometimes Jehovah shines a little light to get our attention. I know all of this has to happen but its still hard to watch.
For a time I still recommended bible studies with our people even though I no longer attended meetings. A few times I was called out on that. If I could just have a redacted version of the Live Forever book. One without 1914 or Christ ruling invisibly.
Many of the replies I get in comments trying to wake people up to the world government forming, seem to indicate that most citizens don't see it either. That's what makes it even more twisted because we were told for years that the UN fit the bill.
Then I recall that they told the congregations to be ready to accept directions that make no sense from a human perspective. That one still makes me wonder what they have in mind. It wasn't the jab. Something else that is on its way I think.

 

[BagdadBill]

And they've told a very big lie in the latest article on Norway

I admit I had not paid attention to the Norway thing. I know about the de-registration question. What was the lie?

 

[kenmuldoon55]

UN.....1975.....Jab (which cost lives making them blood guilty).
In spite of the following article from the w80 concerning the 1975 debacle, so many of the R&F defend or excuse away the actions of the GB.

*** w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 pars. 4-6 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***
In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

AT the WT study for the above article, comments from the audience were to the effect, Yeah, it's our fault....The GB never said 1975 was a date to expect the GT. We, the R&F, read more into it than what the GB said. WT definitely presented 1975 as more than a probability.

WT definitely presented 1975 as more than a probability.

Of course they did.
So much so that the gov body was willing to have every one of the millions of publishers hamstring their prospects for a better life ie; a better education leading to a more comfortable lifestyle, a nice permanent home in which to raise a normal family, even elective surgery which would’ve brought about a better quality of life, after all why not demonstrate faith and wait for the kingdom to cure all your ailments.
To embrace these normal pursuits were characterized as worldly faithless acts by the WT seven.

 

[Watchman]

I don't recall reading what the circumstances were of the person who found this out. What were they looking for initially? I suspect that finding our organizational name wasn't the original purpose of the search. Sometimes Jehovah shines a little light to get our attention. I know all of this has to happen but its still hard to watch.
For a time I still recommended bible studies with our people even though I no longer attended meetings. A few times I was called out on that. If I could just have a redacted version of the Live Forever book. One without 1914 or Christ ruling invisibly.
Many of the replies I get in comments trying to wake people up to the world government forming, seem to indicate that most citizens don't see it either. That's what makes it even more twisted because we were told for years that the UN fit the bill.
Then I recall that they told the congregations to be ready to accept directions that make no sense from a human perspective. That one still makes me wonder what they have in mind. It wasn't the jab. Something else that is on its way I think.

When I first got on the Internet, probably in 1995, I was researching new world-order conspiracy stuff and heard about NGOs being used by the UN. I went to the UN's website and saw the Watchtower listed. I didn't know what to make of it, so I just sat on it. Apparently, some other JW or ex-JW found it too and wrote to the religious editor at the London Guardian, and he ran with it. The timing could not have been better for the Watchtower, though. The expose came just a month after 9-11, and the rest of the media was too busy with that story to pick it up

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I admit I had not paid attention to the Norway thing. I know about the de-registration question. What was the lie?

The Norwegian government have deregistered the JW religion due to them encouraging the shunning of kids when they get disfellowshipped, and also, because they encourage the shunning of baptised adults who just want to leave the organisation, NOT (as the article says) because we disfellowship unrepentant sinners. Being deregistered doesn't mean we can't preach, or meet together etc etc, it only means the brothers can't officiate at marriages and (more "importantly") we're not entitled to the grant money that the government give to all religious/community groups that meet the terms and conditions. The organisation has been chasing that money for over 2yrs now. They lost the latest appeal 3 weeks ago. 4 days later Mark Sanderson put out that video explaining how the GB have "prayerfully considered" the scriptures about shunning kids blah blah again and well, you know the rest.. They forgot to mention they'd just that week lost the 2nd appeal..

 

[BagdadBill]

The Norwegian government have deregistered the JW religion due to them encouraging the shunning of kids when they get disfellowshipped, and also, because they encourage the shunning of baptised adults who just want to leave the organisation, NOT (as the article says) because we disfellowship unrepentant sinners. Being deregistered doesn't mean we can't preach, or meet together etc etc, it only means the brothers can't officiate at marriages and (more "importantly") we're not entitled to the grant money that the government give to all religious/community groups that meet the terms and conditions. The organisation has been chasing that money for over 2yrs now. They lost the latest appeal 3 weeks ago. 4 days later Mark Sanderson put out that video explaining how the GB have "prayerfully considered" the scriptures about shunning kids blah blah again and well, you know the rest.. They forgot to mention they'd just that week lost the 2nd appeal..

I would have thought taking money from the government would just feel wrong. Knowing that they gave out money to push the jab just made it all the more offensive that they did. Unclean