The Watchtower and world government

kenmuldoon55

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UN.....1975.....Jab (which cost lives making them blood guilty).
In spite of the following article from the w80 concerning the 1975 debacle, so many of the R&F defend or excuse away the actions of the GB.

*** w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 pars. 4-6 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***
In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”

5 In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.


6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

AT the WT study for the above article, comments from the audience were to the effect, Yeah, it's our fault....The GB never said 1975 was a date to expect the GT. We, the R&F, read more into it than what the GB said. WT definitely presented 1975 as more than a probability.

WT definitely presented 1975 as more than a probability.
Of course they did.
So much so that the gov body was willing to have every one of the millions of publishers hamstring their prospects for a better life ie; a better education leading to a more comfortable lifestyle, a nice permanent home in which to raise a normal family, even elective surgery which would’ve brought about a better quality of life, after all why not demonstrate faith and wait for the kingdom to cure all your ailments.
To embrace these normal pursuits were characterized as worldly faithless acts by the WT seven.
 

Watchman

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I don't recall reading what the circumstances were of the person who found this out. What were they looking for initially? I suspect that finding our organizational name wasn't the original purpose of the search. Sometimes Jehovah shines a little light to get our attention. I know all of this has to happen but its still hard to watch.
For a time I still recommended bible studies with our people even though I no longer attended meetings. A few times I was called out on that. If I could just have a redacted version of the Live Forever book. One without 1914 or Christ ruling invisibly.
Many of the replies I get in comments trying to wake people up to the world government forming, seem to indicate that most citizens don't see it either. That's what makes it even more twisted because we were told for years that the UN fit the bill.
Then I recall that they told the congregations to be ready to accept directions that make no sense from a human perspective. That one still makes me wonder what they have in mind. It wasn't the jab. Something else that is on its way I think.
When I first got on the Internet, probably in 1995, I was researching new world-order conspiracy stuff and heard about NGOs being used by the UN. I went to the UN's website and saw the Watchtower listed. I didn't know what to make of it, so I just sat on it. Apparently, some other JW or ex-JW found it too and wrote to the religious editor at the London Guardian, and he ran with it. The timing could not have been better for the Watchtower, though. The expose came just a month after 9-11, and the rest of the media was too busy with that story to pick it up
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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I admit I had not paid attention to the Norway thing. I know about the de-registration question. What was the lie?
The Norwegian government have deregistered the JW religion due to them encouraging the shunning of kids when they get disfellowshipped, and also, because they encourage the shunning of baptised adults who just want to leave the organisation, NOT (as the article says) because we disfellowship unrepentant sinners. Being deregistered doesn't mean we can't preach, or meet together etc etc, it only means the brothers can't officiate at marriages and (more "importantly") we're not entitled to the grant money that the government give to all religious/community groups that meet the terms and conditions. The organisation has been chasing that money for over 2yrs now. They lost the latest appeal 3 weeks ago. 4 days later Mark Sanderson put out that video explaining how the GB have "prayerfully considered" the scriptures about shunning kids blah blah again and well, you know the rest.. They forgot to mention they'd just that week lost the 2nd appeal..
 

BagdadBill

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The Norwegian government have deregistered the JW religion due to them encouraging the shunning of kids when they get disfellowshipped, and also, because they encourage the shunning of baptised adults who just want to leave the organisation, NOT (as the article says) because we disfellowship unrepentant sinners. Being deregistered doesn't mean we can't preach, or meet together etc etc, it only means the brothers can't officiate at marriages and (more "importantly") we're not entitled to the grant money that the government give to all religious/community groups that meet the terms and conditions. The organisation has been chasing that money for over 2yrs now. They lost the latest appeal 3 weeks ago. 4 days later Mark Sanderson put out that video explaining how the GB have "prayerfully considered" the scriptures about shunning kids blah blah again and well, you know the rest.. They forgot to mention they'd just that week lost the 2nd appeal..
I would have thought taking money from the government would just feel wrong. Knowing that they gave out money to push the jab just made it all the more offensive that they did. Unclean
 

PJ54

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I describe myself as an open border, multi-cultural Christian globalist. This throws both sides into confusion. :ROFLMAO:
I identify as a omniversal, uber-existential, citizen of the existence & all time, space, dimension, concept, reality, fantasy advocate for the government of the existence & I am allowed to travel anywhere as I please!
 
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DavidCJ

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Does anyone actually believe that this partnership has truly been dissolved? I mean they may have ended that particular NGO, but there is evidence of several current existing WT NGOs.
Yea I don't either.

Just like if you watch the series on Netflix, "Wormwood" it talks about how before the MK-Ultra program was revealed to the public, 90% or so of the documents were torched. Then they apologized and acted like they stopped it. But what's happening now and what they are doing indicates if anything they have intensified the activity but under even more secrecy.

Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if they "stopped" UN association at that time but went even deeper under secrecy and increased UN partnership.
 

kirmmy

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One can do a search on the UN's DPI-NGO site and find out all acredited NGOs. Besides, after the ruckus the WT caused had the WT not dissolved its NGO affiliation, the UN would have. Still, though, the Watchtower is still whoring for it. It can't help it. As Jehovah said: "Can a leopard change its spots?"
If I remember right the UN also has other orgs but I can't remember their names. I think you once mentioned it. It was European based and they were very much a part of it, if I remember correctly.
 

kirmmy

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Yea I don't either.

Just like if you watch the series on Netflix, "Wormwood" it talks about how before the MK-Ultra program was revealed to the public, 90% or so of the documents were torched. Then they apologized and acted like they stopped it. But what's happening now and what they are doing indicates if anything they have intensified the activity but under even more secrecy.

Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if they "stopped" UN association at that time but went even deeper under secrecy and increased UN partnership.
Hey speaking of Netflix series, did you see "three body problem"? Now that is some Project Bluebeam foreshadowing bunk if I've ever seen it. And the way they down talk religion and especially Christianity, you wouldn't believe it.

Nice touch how the leader of the aliens is called "lord" too.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Hey speaking of Netflix series, did you see "three body problem"? Now that is some Project Bluebeam foreshadowing bunk if I've ever seen it. And the way they down talk religion and especially Christianity, you wouldn't believe it.

Nice touch how the leader of the aliens is called "lord" too.
Baal (also given as Ba'al) is a Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility and weather, specifically rainstorms. The name was also used as a title, however, meaning “LORD” and was applied to a number of different deities throughout the ancient Near East.

I remember hearing this comment being made by a sister years ago at our meeting.
 

DavidCJ

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Hey speaking of Netflix series, did you see "three body problem"? Now that is some Project Bluebeam foreshadowing bunk if I've ever seen it. And the way they down talk religion and especially Christianity, you wouldn't believe it.

Nice touch how the leader of the aliens is called "lord" too.
No, and we don't have Netflix anymore but now I have a movie to watch. :ROFLMAO:

The title sounds like a title to a scientific solution. It sounds very entertaining.
Baal (also given as Ba'al) is a Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility and weather, specifically rainstorms. The name was also used as a title, however, meaning “LORD” and was applied to a number of different deities throughout the ancient Near East.
Very interesting. So basically taking out God's name and replacing it with LORD might cause some to think the Bible is referring to Baal.
 

DavidCJ

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I don't either. ;) I wouldn't pay for their guano if you put a gun to my head. :) And I rarely watch any of their woke dreck, even if it costs nothing.
We had it for a while but it's a mess out there with multiple paid subscription services with their unique programs. We have cable TV and my brother manages the online portion with Disney+, which became the favored one over Netflix especially with them jacking up prices while losing shows.

Yes there are lots of woke, spiritistic shows on Netflix.

Personally I just use a free streaming site. With the internet and Youtube, TV, movies, documentaries, and shows are all blurred nowadays.
 

Watchman

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JW dot org recycles this article on their front page every few months. They are shameless. Protect Yourself from Misinformation
Even after all that has come to light about how the World Health Organization and the CDC were in the forefront of misinformation about COVID, the WT is still pretending the UN is the source of all goodness and truth. Just recently, the FDA was forced to admit that its campaign against Ivermectin was a fraud. Who knows how many people died because of being denied a safe and effective treatment? I am really looking forward to the Watchtower's end. It can't come soon enough
 
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