The Watchtower's UN propaganda - When will it end?

[Ms_ladyblue]

Go to the JW app and type in ‘Organisation’ and see how many times it comes up (Zero)
Now type in ‘People’ and see how many times that comes up. (2,273)

An organisation is dead. It doesn’t live it doesn’t breath it doesn’t speak it doesn’t think.
People live, breath, speak, think.

Unfortunately due to word witchcraft Gods people have been tricked and do not understand the difference between being ‘Organised’ and an ‘Organisation’, or the term ‘Lawful’ and ‘Legal’ for that matter. The false prophets at Warwick know fully what they are doing. They craftily interchange the term being organised (acceptable) with organisation (deception) and the listener does not notice or understand the significance. These are completely different things.

You can’t do a single thing if you are not organised. Try baking a cake for instance. But do you need to set up an organisation to bake a cake? No. Do you need to be organised? Yes. Arrange with some friends to go out for a meal. Can you do that successfully without being organised? No impossible. But do you need to set up a limited company or corporation (Organisation) to go out with friends? No you don’t. To be organised is a verb. It’s a doing thing by living breathing things (People) An ‘Organisation’ is a Proper Noun. A completely dead thing, with no life in it.

But is this of any real importance? You bet it is.

The Insight on the Scriptures under Idol, Idolatry states this
An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). Idolatry generally involves some form, ceremony, or ritual.

It is impossible to worship ‘I’m backing a cake,’ but it is very easy to worship the cake. Any worship other than Jehovah and to some degree his son is Idolatry.

At Habakkuk 2:18-20 Jehovah tells us Of what benefit is a carved image When its maker has carved it? Of what benefit is a metal statue and a teacher of lies, Even though its maker trusts in it, Making worthless gods that are speechless? 19 Woe to the one who says to a piece of wood, “Awake!” Or to a speechless stone, “Wake up! Instruct us!” Look! It is overlaid in gold and silver, And there is no breath at all within it. 20 But Jehovah is in his holy temple. Be silent before him, all the earth!’”

Let’s put it to the test then past and present.

The WT described Noah just prior to the flood as being Gods early ‘Organisation.’ Was that so? Did Noah need to set up a Ltd company to build the Ark? Did he have shareholders? Did he need a logo? Did he need a computer office to order all the tools and equipment? Absurd Yes?

How did the animals go into the ark? In two’s Yes? So even the animas were organised. Were they part of Gods ‘Organisation’ then? Absurd

Fast forward to the Israelites at Mount Sinai and they received the 10 commandments the first commandments of the ‘Law covenant’ the law was between God and man, and man and man. Always alive and living. Was the Law covenant between God and a stone? Between man and a piece of wood. But what did the Israelites do the moment Moses went up the mountain to get the living law covenant. They…….drum roll please…….Made what? A golden calf. Was it alive? Did it breath? Could it speak? Jehovah was furious. They even had the audacity to say it was a festival to Jehovah.

Outside every single Bethel complex is a big statue of the Blue JW.ORG some are really ornate and impressive https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witn...tion/britain-photo-gallery-sep-2016-feb-2017/

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They say again and again ‘be Loyal’ to Jehovah’s dead Golden Calf…..Sorry I meant to say Show Loyalty to Jehovah’s dead ‘Organisation.’ Go up to the lovely big blue statue of JW.ORG and ask it a question and see what response you get. Sing to it and see if it listens? Pray to it and see if it answers? If you get no response try doing the same with the walls, computers, buildings, the tiles, the pictures, the carpets, the share certificates, computer screens….etc….etc…. So can someone tell me how can be Loyal to a dead thing that gives me nothing back? Oh yes....

Isaiah 44:17-20 But the rest of it he makes into a god, into his carved image. He bows down to it and worships it. He prays to it and says: “Save me, for you are my god.”18 They know nothing, they understand nothing, Because their eyes are sealed shut and they cannot see, And their heart has no insight. 19 No one reflects in his heart Or has knowledge or understanding, saying: “Half of it I burned up in a fire, And on its coals I baked bread and roasted meat to eat. Should I, then, make the rest of it into a detestable thing? Should I worship a block of wood from a tree?” 20 He feeds on ashes. His own deluded heart has led him astray. He cannot save himself, nor does he say: “Is there not a lie in my right hand?”

Isaiah 42:17 They will be turned back and will be utterly put to shame, Those who trust in carved images, Those who say to metal statues: “You are our gods.”

Isaih 45:20 Gather together and come. Approach together, you escapees from the nations. They know nothing, those who carry around carved images And pray to a god that cannot save them.

All of Jehovah’s Witnesses are being deceived into idolatry by following a false god called jw.org A festival to Jehovah and giving homage to the high Priests of the GB. Jehovah is about to wipe the entire monstrosity of the face of the earth.

Next time you hear the wizards and warlocks from Warwick use their word craft say something like…… 'We know know Jehovah's people were organised (verb) when they left Egypt; or how the early congregations were organised (verb); so to today we copy the pattern of the Jehovahs’s early Organisation (Switch). How can anyone deny Jehovah is not using his Organisation (the switch to an idolatrous Proper Noun) today……Therefore we must be Loyal to his Organisation. (pure idolatry) Our Organisation prints more......bla… bla bla....(now no mention of Jehovah) you will hopefully spot the allegiance you have just given to the modern day golden calf.

However in the 2nd & 3rd Chapters of Revelation Jesus speaks to the seven congregations in the province of Asia. Congregations are People = Alive, Living, Breathing collectively. The congregations represent the anointed Christians prior to any sealing in the Lords day when Jesus returns. All but 2 of the seven congregations receive very heavy council if not judgment. So yes, Jehovah and Jesus Christ do have a living congregation today. Also for a certainty he has been using the people who carry his name Jehovah’s Witnesses to accomplish his purpose, that in itself is an entirely different topic.

Thanks for highlighting this very important information Dean. I’ve thought of this much the same way…especially in the last few years since they’ve put so much emphasis on JW dot org. It’s like over the top.

Speaking about the Israelites at Mount Sinai made me think how they got tired of waiting on Moses to come back down so they made the lifeless golden calf. In a similar way, during our modern times, the WT got tired of waiting on the “end” to come and trying to explain to the ”sheep” things like overlapping generations and the rest of their nonsense. So they built this lifeless image, jw dot org. to appease the masses and at the same time receive their loyalty and admiration even more now than ever. They absolutely venerate them/ it. For example, whenever I would bring up Jesus words from the Bible, especially if contrary to WT they took the GB’s words over what Jesus said. Unbelievable!!

So, yes they’ve definitely made an idol in place of Jehovah. The explanation you gave about an organization is very interesting and something we should not take lightly. I’ve given my thoughts on this in this thread as well as others.

I also know that when I was baptized in 1982 I never intended nor did I for once think it was to an organization. My dedication was to Jehovah and no one else. Just as it is written:
“You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION.
Yes, he is a God who requires EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION.” ( Exodus 34:14 )

How much plainer can He be?

 

[Dean]

No need to. Everything I have ever put to print is based upon the fact that God's Kingdom is an organization.

I understand my brother. I broke down and cried for days on end as I came to realize that I had been mislead for most of my life. For a certainly finding the truth and letting go of beliefs we have taught for generation's is one of the hardest things I have ever had to come to terms with. I remember watching one of your YouTube videos and you expressed how challenging your journey has been......You went on to say. ..'The truth is a powerful thing' I wholeheartedly agree with thoes sentiments.

 

[Watchman]

I understand my brother. I broke down and cried for days on end as I came to realize that I had been mislead for most of my life. For a certainly finding the truth and letting go of beliefs we have taught for generation's is one of the hardest things I have ever had to come to terms with. I remember watching one of your YouTube videos and you expressed how challenging your journey has been......You went on to say. ..'The truth is a powerful thing' I wholeheartedly agree with thoes sentiments.

I don't understand why you broke down crying. If you read the history of the Israelite nation, which was by all accounts Jehovah's organization, the kings and priests were more often than not unfaithful. God still used them though, punishing, correcting, even destroying and redeeming them, and eventually accomplished his purpose and then ultimately abandoned the nation and started another. Rinse and repeat.

 

[JMJLG]

When I ran into the cart Witnesses … at the airport on Monday… after my information overload… the last thing I said before walking away. “Just like Judas the GB is going to walk you to the doors of the United Nations. WATCHOUT.”

I spoke to two couples , as they were changing over , so spoke to four of them . I told them about what certain ones had done to me . They rolled out their usual , "oh , but everything has really changed now , and that sort of thing does not happen " . They have been trotting that line out for the last thirty years at least , and things have only gotten worse . If ever I needed proof that for my own sake , I had done the right thing by staying away , that was it . They also claimed to follow Jehovah , and not men , but when I mentioned that those kings of Bethal had stated that the vaccine was a gift from Jehovah , they stated that they had not heard that . They obviously had done so , as they took the vaccine . Perhaps it also causes memory loss .

 

[Dean]

I don't understand why you broke down crying. If you read the history of the Israelite nation, which was by all accounts Jehovah's organization, the kings and priests were more often than not unfaithful. God still used them though, punishing, correcting, even destroying and redeeming them, and eventually accomplished his purpose and then ultimately abandoned the nation and started another. Rinse and repeat.

I cried because I had been let down, felt betrayed and lied to by thoes I had loved. Your writings & works that Jah had sent me to helped me understand that. If I discovered my wife that I loved and trusted had been lying to me and cheating for decades would it be surprising if I broke down and cried. Would you not cry, would not any man? My love for all things spiritual run even deeper than my love for my beloved wife.
I like you have read the history of the Israelite nation more times than I can count hence I know for a complete certainty the bible does not once in the Hebrew or Greek describe them as an 'Organisation' hence my offer to present just one scripture to the contrary. There isn't one and we both no that. That is why in my original post I could say for a certainly
Go to the JW app and type in ‘Organisation’ and see how many times it comes up (Zero)
Now type in ‘People’ and see how many times that comes up. (2,273).
 For a certainly the scriptures (not I) agree with everything you say, however we must allow the scriptures to speak mustn't we. The JW.Org do not hence why you rightly started this post. The only difference I would therefore correct to this last post of yours would not be by my authority as I have none at all, but only by the authority of the scriptures themselves

Jehovah's Organization people, the kings and priests were more often than not unfaithful. God still used them though, punishing, correcting, even destroying and redeeming them, and eventually accomplished his purpose and then ultimately abandoned the nation and started another. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Nomex]

Go to the JW app and type in ‘Organisation’ and see how many times it comes up (Zero)
Now type in ‘People’ and see how many times that comes up. (2,273)

An organisation is dead. It doesn’t live it doesn’t breath it doesn’t speak it doesn’t think.
People live, breath, speak, think.

Unfortunately due to word witchcraft Gods people have been tricked and do not understand the difference between being ‘Organised’ and an ‘Organisation’, or the term ‘Lawful’ and ‘Legal’ for that matter. The false prophets at Warwick know fully what they are doing. They craftily interchange the term being organised (acceptable) with organisation (deception) and the listener does not notice or understand the significance. These are completely different things.

You can’t do a single thing if you are not organised. Try baking a cake for instance. But do you need to set up an organisation to bake a cake? No. Do you need to be organised? Yes. Arrange with some friends to go out for a meal. Can you do that successfully without being organised? No impossible. But do you need to set up a limited company or corporation (Organisation) to go out with friends? No you don’t. To be organised is a verb. It’s a doing thing by living breathing things (People) An ‘Organisation’ is a Proper Noun. A completely dead thing, with no life in it.

But is this of any real importance? You bet it is.

The Insight on the Scriptures under Idol, Idolatry states this
An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). Idolatry generally involves some form, ceremony, or ritual.

It is impossible to worship ‘I’m backing a cake,’ but it is very easy to worship the cake. Any worship other than Jehovah and to some degree his son is Idolatry.

Brother, I think you make some excellent points and you are spot on with the idolatry. I think where you get into the weeds though, is the comparison to the "organization" and "organized" and the fact that there is a difference between the words, being an adjective and a noun. The noun form is simply a more proper identification of the "organized" particulars being put together into the form of an organization. The term 100% applies to a government entity. Now you may well easily and many cases be able to make the argument, governments are not very organized...LOL. But the fact remains any government is an organization, and in fact that is what a military is. And in many ways Jehovah has organized his Kingdom into a type of military structure with ranks etc.

Now, if you had delineated the difference between the fact that idolatry can and does include worshiping people, and that it also includes inanimate objects, the fact remains the idolatry that WT is guilty of is not the organization itself, but idolatry of the GB. (JW.org is just the image, if you will of the GB. In fact maybe that's a minor fulfillment about the image of the wild beast in Rev. LOL...I don't really think that but maybe it is a reflection of the nature of imperfect humans.) God's Kingdom, by definition is an organization, in the same way that "Kingdom" is also a noun. And what is a Kingdom? Here's one definition...a politically organized community or major territorial unit having a monarchical form of government headed by a king or queen

There's that word again "organized". Again, you made some very valid points. But I think your comments would have served you better had you also allowed for the fact that God does indeed have an "organization", it's called God's Kingdom NOT "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society", whose real purpose it seems is to usurp God's organization, that is to say God's Kingdom, and apply it to themselves. It is also a good idea to look up the definition of words...you know what the definition of "organization" is? You guessed it, I'm gonna tell you... "the act or process of organizing or of being organized" So unfortunately the literal definition of the noun, is the verb and adverb which actually describe what the noun "organization" is!

Indeed WT loves to use the Bible to elevate themselves to God's faithful servants and even Christ's apostles, so they are indeed guilty of this desire for worship. My family and I have also just woke up, less than 2 years ago and indeed I relate to the trauma that that waking up process causes.

I liked everything else you said and even the points that Noah was NOT an organization. Again, all that really is however, is the GB like I said, attempting to elevate themselves on the same level as Noah. I lay a lot of this out in my thread I wrote last night entitled "The Burning Bush."

I would also like to point out, I am not trying to "prove you wrong"...but rather we are the actual fulfillment of "iron sharpening iron." Other wise you made an excellent post and I really enjoyed reading it!

 

[Watchman]

Go to the JW app and type in ‘Organisation’ and see how many times it comes up (Zero)
Now type in ‘People’ and see how many times that comes up. (2,273).
 For a certainly the scriptures (not I) agree with everything you say, however we must allow the scriptures to speak mustn't we. The JW.Org do not hence why you rightly started this post. The only difference I would therefore correct to this last post of yours would not be by my authority as I have none at all, but only by the authority of the scriptures themselves

The problem is, you are spelling organisation the way Brits do. The Amerikan version is spelled with a "Z" not an "S"

 

[Nomex]

The problem is, you are spelling organisation the way Brits do. The Amerikan version is spelled with a "Z" not an "S"

Did you read my rebuttal...LOL...I know how to spell "American"! I was more subtle about it however...LOL

 

[Nomex]

The problem is, you are spelling organisation the way Brits do.

Oh and I just realized what you meant...of course their is no "organisation" in WT library...they speak American....LOL...when I tried to spell "orginisation" my spell checker gave me American English to correct it!

 

[Nomex]

when I tried to spell "orginisation" my spell checker gave me American English to correct it!

@Dean So I have to ask, why isn't your spell checker correcting your "English". Are you really American?

I think I have this figured out, he's English and they all think they are smarter than us Americans! With all their words and what not and switching letters around!

 

[CyndiaS]

The problem is, you are spelling organisation the way Brits do. The Amerikan version is spelled with a "Z" not an "S"

I thought that might be the case. While searching both the Brit & American spellings, both produce a list of publications/articles, though 🤷‍♂️.

 

[CyndiaS]

I cried because I had been let down, felt betrayed and lied to by thoes I had loved. Your writings & works that Jah had sent me to helped me understand that. If I discovered my wife that I loved and trusted had been lying to me and cheating for decades would it be surprising if I broke down and cried. Would you not cry, would not any man? My love for all things spiritual run even deeper than my love for my beloved wife.
I like you have read the history of the Israelite nation more times than I can count hence I know for a complete certainty the bible does not once in the Hebrew or Greek describe them as an 'Organisation' hence my offer to present just one scripture to the contrary. There isn't one and we both no that. That is why in my original post I could say for a certainly
Go to the JW app and type in ‘Organisation’ and see how many times it comes up (Zero)
Now type in ‘People’ and see how many times that comes up. (2,273).
 For a certainly the scriptures (not I) agree with everything you say, however we must allow the scriptures to speak mustn't we. The JW.Org do not hence why you rightly started this post. The only difference I would therefore correct to this last post of yours would not be by my authority as I have none at all, but only by the authority of the scriptures themselves

I get many results using both search terms, and allowing for both 🇬🇧 & 🇺🇸 spellings 🤷‍♂️

 

[Dean]

Thanks for highlighting this very important information Dean. I’ve thought of this much the same way…especially in the last few years since they’ve put so much emphasis on JW dot org. It’s like over the top.

Speaking about the Israelites at Mount Sinai made me think how they got tired of waiting on Moses to come back down so they made the lifeless golden calf. In a similar way, during our modern times, the WT got tired of waiting on the “end” to come and trying to explain to the ”sheep” things like overlapping generations and the rest of their nonsense. So they built this lifeless image, jw dot org. to appease the masses and at the same time receive their loyalty and admiration even more now than ever. They absolutely venerate them/ it. For example, whenever I would bring up Jesus words from the Bible, especially if contrary to WT they took the GB’s words over what Jesus said. Unbelievable!!

So, yes they’ve definitely made an idol in place of Jehovah. The explanation you gave about an organization is very interesting and something we should not take lightly. I’ve given my thoughts on this in this thread as well as others.

I also know that when I was baptized in 1982 I never intended nor did I for once think it was to an organization. My dedication was to Jehovah and no one else. Just as it is written:
“You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION.
Yes, he is a God who requires EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION.” ( Exodus 34:14 )

How much plainer can He be?

Many decades ago talking to some of the older ones in their 90's they have shared their experiences that when they used to get baptised they just turned up at the convention on the day and went down to be baptised. No questions....nothing....Just a desire from the heart. I remember one sister telling be a few stubbed their cigarettes out just prior to queuing for the pool.

Fast forward to today. There are now 60 questions you have to go through prior and you have to agree with all of them. Here's one of many that are completely unscriptural. 8. To avoid transmitting an infectious, potentially fatal disease to others: (a) Why should an infected person not initiate displays of affection, such as hugging and kissing? (b) Why should he not react negatively if some choose not to invite him into their home? (c) Why should a person who may have been exposed to an infectious disease voluntarily choose to have a blood test before beginning a courtship? (d) Why should a person with an infectious disease inform the coordinator of the body of elders before getting baptized? This is completely absurd and totally unscriptural and is just one of many reasons my wife never got baptised.

On the day of ones baptism into into the now JW cult you have to say a resounding 'YES' to these two questions in front of onlookers.
1. Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?
2. Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s Organization? There is that unscriptural word again!

If we read the book of Acts there is not one singe baptism that conforms to the above. No one was asked to dedicate there life to Jehovah (Although I would not agree this is a most noble thing) Every single recorded baptism was in the name of Jesus

• 'With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts10:48)
• 'For it had not yet come upon any one of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.'(Acts 8:16)
• But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.i 13 Simon himself also became a believer, and after being baptized, he continued with Philip (Acts 8:12-13)
• At this I recalled the saying of the Lord, how he used to say: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with holy spirit. If, therefore, God gave the same free gift to them that he gave to us who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I should be able to hinder God?” (Acts 11:16)
• Paul said: “John baptized with the baptism in symbol of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:4,5)
• I answered: ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And he said to me: ‘I am Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you are persecuting.......And now why are you delaying? Rise, get baptized, and wash your sins away by your calling on his name.’ Acts 22:8;16

Some of these baptisms were only introduced to the teachings of Jesus for less than an hour prior to being baptised. The Ethiopian eunuch comes to mind (Acts 8:26-39) or the Gentile Jailer and his family who new absolutely nothing at all about Jesus prior (Acts 16:27-32)

How very sad it is witness the complete desecration of the simple meaning of baptism has crept in to the WT teachings, no less wrong than infant baptism in Christendom! I was baptised when I was around 18 years old. Recently in a heartfelt personal prayer to my heavenly father I told him that I renounce totally my Dedication to the 'Organisation but requested that he still accept my heartfelt desire for my immersion to stand in my acceptance of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and that I may continue to receive forgiveness of sins in his most worthy name.

 

[JMJLG]

Many decades ago talking to some of the older ones in their 90's they have shared their experiences that when they used to get baptised they just turned up at the convention on the day and went down to be baptised. No questions....nothing....Just a desire from the heart. I remember one sister telling be a few stubbed their cigarettes out just prior to queuing for the pool.

Fast forward to today. There are now 60 questions you have to go through prior and you have to agree with all of them. Here's one of many that are completely unscriptural. 8. To avoid transmitting an infectious, potentially fatal disease to others: (a) Why should an infected person not initiate displays of affection, such as hugging and kissing? (b) Why should he not react negatively if some choose not to invite him into their home? (c) Why should a person who may have been exposed to an infectious disease voluntarily choose to have a blood test before beginning a courtship? (d) Why should a person with an infectious disease inform the coordinator of the body of elders before getting baptized? This is completely absurd and totally unscriptural and is just one of many reasons my wife never got baptised.

On the day of ones baptism into into the now JW cult you have to say a resounding 'YES' to these two questions in front of onlookers.
1. Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?
2. Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s Organization? There is that unscriptural word again!

If we read the book of Acts there is not one singe baptism that conforms to the above. No one was asked to dedicate there life to Jehovah (Although I would not agree this is a most noble thing) Every single recorded baptism was in the name of Jesus

• 'With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts10:48)
• 'For it had not yet come upon any one of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.'(Acts 8:16)
• But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.i 13 Simon himself also became a believer, and after being baptized, he continued with Philip (Acts 8:12-13)
• At this I recalled the saying of the Lord, how he used to say: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with holy spirit. If, therefore, God gave the same free gift to them that he gave to us who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I should be able to hinder God?” (Acts 11:16)
• Paul said: “John baptized with the baptism in symbol of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:4,5)
• I answered: ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And he said to me: ‘I am Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you are persecuting.......And now why are you delaying? Rise, get baptized, and wash your sins away by your calling on his name.’ Acts 22:8;16

Some of these baptisms were only introduced to the teachings of Jesus for less than an hour prior to being baptised. The Ethiopian eunuch comes to mind (Acts 8:26-39) or the Gentile Jailer and his family who new absolutely nothing at all about Jesus prior (Acts 16:27-32)

How very sad it is witness the complete desecration of the simple meaning of baptism has crept in to the WT teachings, no less wrong than infant baptism in Christendom! I was baptised when I was around 18 years old. Recently in a heartfelt personal prayer to my heavenly father I told him that I renounce totally my Dedication to the 'Organisation but requested that he still accept my heartfelt desire for my immersion to stand in my acceptance of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and that I may continue to receive forgiveness of sins in his most worthy name.

Absolutely correct .When Jesus was picking his Disciples , he said follow me , and they did . After a while , he sent them out in pairs with the message , "The kingdom of God has drawn near ". They were still thinking it was a earthly kingdom , right up until his death , but that did not stop them from spreading the gospel , and good that they did not have to answer so many questions correctly , and swear loyalty to Gods early organization as well .

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

today. There are now 60 questions you have to go through prior and you have to agree with all of them. Here's one of many that are completely unscriptural. 8. To avoid transmitting an infectious, potentially fatal disease to others: (a) Why should an infected person not initiate displays of affection, such as hugging and kissing? (b) Why should he not react negatively if some choose not to invite him into their home? (c) Why should a person who may have been exposed to an infectious disease voluntarily choose to have a blood test before beginning a courtship? (d) Why should a person with an infectious disease inform the coordinator of the body of elders before getting baptized? This is completely absurd and totally unscriptural and is just one of many reasons my wife never got baptised.

Years back, in 1982 when I was baptized that second question had not yet been inserted. So, as far as I’m concerned my “dedication“ to WT is null and void. I believe they added the second question sometime in 90’s.

However, in true fashion, as the Pharisees and Sadducees, the GB added rules and requirements that went “beyond the things written.”
Just like the religious leaders in Jesus’ day…with reference to the GB:

“They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments.” ( Matt. 23:4,5 )

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, JUSTICE AND MERCY AND FAITHFULNESS . These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things.” ( Matt. 23:23 )

 

[Dean]

I get many results using both search terms, and allowing for both 🇬🇧 & 🇺🇸 spellings 🤷‍♂️

Hi CyndiaS

Thanks for demonstrating that
So what do we notice? It doesn't matter if we type in Organization or Organisation the results are the same. Insidently if one types the American version of the spelling into jw.app it still comes up with a big fat Zero returns.

Now notice the word wizard algorithm on JW.org Brings up the Question

Is It Necessary to Belong to an Organized Religion?​

Well the answer is partly correct. Many translations that use the use the Greek word θρησκεία. thréskeia is often translated reverence or worship as the NWT does. However you clearly don't need to be part of anything to pray now do you? Its interesting however in this case that they jw.org decide to switch from 'Worship' to 'Religion' in the raised Question a word which is not used in the NWT except in four instances when it refers to the religion of pagan nations with false worship . In any event is the answer to the question they pose 'Is It Necessary to belong to an Organized Religion correct? In this instance YES it is. Why because as I pointed out in my original thread you cant do anything at all without being organised. Try tying your shoe laces or going to the toliet without being organised, You cant.

Likewise there are a plethora of scriptures that tell us Look! How good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity! (Psalm 133:1)

So in essence its a stupid question they raise I'm afraid. They might as well have raised the question 'Do you need two legs to walk straight? Yes. Great. Therefore we should worship that statue with two legs!

 

[Dean]

The problem is, you are spelling organisation the way Brits do. The Amerikan version is spelled with a "Z" not an "S"

Did you read my rebuttal...LOL...I know how to spell "American"! I was more subtle about it however...LOL

I thought that might be the case. While searching both the Brit & American spellings, both produce a list of publications/articles, though 🤷‍♂️.

Yep for my sins I'm British. I say Potato, you say potahto, I say Tomato, you say tomahto. ........ Mix that with my dyslexia and and have to run everything to me Google...boy oh boy we do have a challenge

 

[DavidCJ]

Many decades ago talking to some of the older ones in their 90's they have shared their experiences that when they used to get baptised they just turned up at the convention on the day and went down to be baptised. No questions....nothing....Just a desire from the heart. I remember one sister telling be a few stubbed their cigarettes out just prior to queuing for the pool.

Fast forward to today. There are now 60 questions you have to go through prior and you have to agree with all of them. Here's one of many that are completely unscriptural. 8. To avoid transmitting an infectious, potentially fatal disease to others: (a) Why should an infected person not initiate displays of affection, such as hugging and kissing? (b) Why should he not react negatively if some choose not to invite him into their home? (c) Why should a person who may have been exposed to an infectious disease voluntarily choose to have a blood test before beginning a courtship? (d) Why should a person with an infectious disease inform the coordinator of the body of elders before getting baptized? This is completely absurd and totally unscriptural and is just one of many reasons my wife never got baptised.

What?! Did they change those policies recently with the covid nonsense? I got baptized in 2015 and I had maybe 6-7 questions asked of me, never those. Unless it's talking about STDs but I suspect it's not due to STDs.

@Ms_ladyblue I never got asked any of those questions. Just the usual dedication ones. Why they bother with that I have no idea. Stop treating adults with kid gloves.

I was baptised when I was around 18 years old. Recently in a heartfelt personal prayer to my heavenly father I told him that I renounce totally my Dedication to the 'Organisation but requested that he still accept my heartfelt desire for my immersion to stand in my acceptance of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and that I may continue to receive forgiveness of sins in his most worthy name.

I think they should discourage those under 18 years old from being baptized. They are just not fully aware of their actions at that point. Some are, but it's very rare. Someone mentioned Jesus got baptized at 30. Yes and we know physical and emotional maturity doesn't happen until you are in your late 20s.

 

[goldie]

What?! Did they change those policies recently with the covid nonsense? I got baptized in 2015 and I had maybe 6-7 questions asked of me, never those. Unless it's talking about STDs but I suspect it's not due to STDs.

@Ms_ladyblue I never got asked any of those questions. Just the usual dedication ones. Why they bother with that I have no idea. Stop treating adults with kid gloves.

I think they should discourage those under 18 years old from being baptized. They are just not fully aware of their actions at that point. Some are, but it's very rare. Someone mentioned Jesus got baptized at 30. Yes and we know physical and emotional maturity doesn't happen until you are in your late 20s.

6 or 7 questions??? I was baptized way before 2015 and there were at least 30 questions back then.

 

[Melinda]

Years back, in 1982 when I was baptized that second question had not yet been inserted. So, as far as I’m concerned my “dedication“ to WT is null and void. I believe they added the second question sometime in 90’s.

However, in true fashion, as the Pharisees and Sadducees, the GB added rules and requirements that went “beyond the things written.”
Just like the religious leaders in Jesus’ day…with reference to the GB:

“They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger. All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments.” ( Matt. 23:4,5 )

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, JUSTICE AND MERCY AND FAITHFULNESS . These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things.” ( Matt. 23:23 )

You and I were baptized the sane year…I thought we had 80 questions we had to go over with the elders before we could get baptized. Do you remember?