The "We'll forget everything" People

[Jahrule]

My brother's father believes that in the new world, we will forget about the sinful aspects of our current world. I disagreed with him, emphasizing the importance of remembering humanity's history with sin. He's kind of a JW, sort of, and this led me to question whether I'm the one with an unconventional perspective. It strikes me as odd to imagine a scenario where we forget everything, especially given that encounters with such viewpoints are not uncommon. The idea that we'll wander through paradise aimlessly without remembering sin or anything negative seems absurd.

If we were to forget about sin, does that imply we won't recall what Jesus did for us? While I understand the benefit of not dwelling on past mistakes indefinitely, I question whether forgetting everything, including our redemption through Christ, makes practical sense. Jehovah suggests that former sins won't be called to mind anymore after a certain point. That makes sense, on an individual basis humans will have been redeemed; clearly, holding on to what we have already been absolved for serves no function

However, I still believe that humanity's history with sin and failure will always be part of our collective history. It's essential to differentiate between not dwelling on personal sins and forgetting the failures that our species overcame triumphantly, with the help of Christ. If we were to forget everything, it could diminish the significance behind Christ's actions. But those are just my thoughts.

 

[alan ford]

My brother's father believes that in the new world, we will forget about the sinful aspects of our current world. I disagreed with him, emphasizing the importance of remembering humanity's history with sin. He's kind of a JW, sort of, and this led me to question whether I'm the one with an unconventional perspective. It strikes me as odd to imagine a scenario where we forget everything, especially given that encounters with such viewpoints are not uncommon. The idea that we'll wander through paradise aimlessly without remembering sin or anything negative seems absurd.

If we were to forget about sin, does that imply we won't recall what Jesus did for us? While I understand the benefit of not dwelling on past mistakes indefinitely, I question whether forgetting everything, including our redemption through Christ, makes practical sense. Jehovah suggests that former sins won't be called to mind anymore after a certain point. That makes sense, on an individual basis humans will have been redeemed; clearly, holding on to what we have already been absolved for serves no function

However, I still believe that humanity's history with sin and failure will always be part of our collective history. It's essential to differentiate between not dwelling on personal sins and forgetting the failures that our species overcame triumphantly, with the help of Christ. If we were to forget everything, it could diminish the significance behind Christ's actions. But those are just my thoughts.

Isaiah 65:17
For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

I think that the new earth will be a place of such joy that no one will even think about "former things" anymore, and they will eventually fade from memory.

 

[BrooksB]

However, I still believe that humanity's history with sin and failure will always be part of our collective history.

Let's dive back into this thought about 3/4 way through the 1,000 year reign and see where we are at mentally, emotionally and intellectually on this matter. I just put it in my calendar as a reminder.

 

[alan ford]

Let's dive back into this thought about 3/4 way through the 1,000 year reign and see where we are at mentally, emotionally and intellectually on this matter. I just put it in my calendar as a reminder.

According to WT we are already 1/10 of the way through

 

[Jahrule]

Isaiah 65:17
For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

I think that the new earth will be a place of such joy that no one will even think about "former things" anymore, and they will eventually fade from memory.

Technically the earth was once kind of like that before in Eden. I'm sure it was very pleasant, until sin entered into the world as a consequence for miss using free will. As I mentioned, I am convinced we will forget certain things. The world leading into God's Kingdom isn't gonna be a place anyone wants to remember in the grander sense. With that being said, I think I'll still remember who I am. I'll recognize my mom. To forget everything would just be weird. Oh wow. A bunch of strangers are being resurrected. Yay.

 

[Jahrule]

Let's dive back into this thought about 3/4 way through the 1,000 year reign and see where we are at mentally, emotionally and intellectually on this matter. I just put it in my calendar as a reminder.

You'll definitely want to remember the mistakes of the past before the thousand years. After all, Satan is going to be let loose again for a short time. But then does that mean I'll remember my mom during the thousand years and then forget who she is after thousand years?

 

[PJ54]

I can't see why history would be erased since the scriptures have history in it. The writings have these references for the peoples benefit. The idea of forgetting everything would seem very suspicious on God's part. I understand forgetting trauma & things of that nature, however to forget it all would sound like we would turn into a bunch of monkeys swinging from tree to tree. It doesn't seem to be in human nature to just do that since we like to innovate & be creative.

 

[Jahrule]

According to WT we are already 1/10 of the way through

The cool thing I remind myself of is a date has definitely been set. We just don't know what it is.

 

[alan ford]

Technically the earth was once kind of like that before in Eden. I'm sure it was very pleasant, until sin entered into the world as a consequence for miss using free will. As I mentioned, I am convinced we will forget certain things. The world leading into God's Kingdom isn't gonna be a place anyone wants to remember in the grander sense. With that being said, I think I'll still remember who I am. I'll recognize my mom. To forget everything would just be weird. Oh wow. A bunch of strangers are being resurrected. Yay.

I don't think it will forgotten per se, but no one will think about it anymore. There will be no need for remembering it since everyone will be perfect, living in perfect condition in a perfect place.

After all, Satan is going to be let loose again for a short time.

Yeah but at that point it's not the new earth yet. New heavens and new earth are not like this old earth renovated, but completely new.

 

[Jahrule]

I can't see why history would be erased since the scriptures have history in it. The writings have these references for the peoples benefit. The idea of forgetting everything would seem very suspicious on God's part. I understand forgetting trauma & things of that nature, however to forget it all would sound like we would turn into a bunch of monkeys swinging from tree to tree. It doesn't seem to be in human nature to just do that since we like to innovate & be creative.

I think the failures of humankind are important parts of our history. This stuff actually happened, and we learned and grew from it.

I don't think it will forgotten per se, but no one will think about it anymore. There will be no need for remembering it since everyone will be perfect, living in perfect condition in a perfect place.

Yeah but at that point it's not the new earth yet. New heavens and new earth are not like this old earth renovated, but completely new.

Eternity is a long time. It's still possible for humans, or even some other species that is created, to misuse free will. It has always been my belief that the issues settled in this world create an eternal precedent to deal with rebellion. If anyone were to sin they forfeit eternal life. This world never has to happen again because of Christ. I recognize this too is an unconventional belief, but I am convinced people can technically still die, even into the new earth. Death is only destroyed if you live in harmony with Jah. If you break that in the new system you'll still have a bad time.

Maybe they won't. Maybe that will never happen throughout all eternity. I don't know. All I'm saying is it's still possible for humans to sin. Humans won't be incorruptible like the anointed. Not saying this will be a widespread issue. It may never happen. But if it does, the precedent established by this world will deal with it. I suspect this precedent may even extend to other planets some day. Maybe new life will emerge. Who knows? Maybe we'll be the aliens visiting another world, and they'll think we're gods. Then we'll have to explain to them that, "No, we might be cool now, but we used to be real jerks. Long story."

 

[Edith]

Technically the earth was once kind of like that before in Eden. I'm sure it was very pleasant, until sin entered into the world as a consequence for miss using free will. As I mentioned, I am convinced we will forget certain things. The world leading into God's Kingdom isn't gonna be a place anyone wants to remember in the grander sense. With that being said, I think I'll still remember who I am. I'll recognize my mom. To forget everything would just be weird. Oh wow. A bunch of strangers are being resurrected. Yay.

If I'm not mistaken, the "And the former things will not be called to mind" applies to AFTER Satan has been unleashed once more and destroyed forever. Afterwards the 'sheep' will receive eternal life thanks to the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, but NOT immortal life like the anointed ones, meaning they will still be mortal just as Adam was and the angels are, at least if I understand Isaiah 65:17-20 correctly.

Isaiah 65 17-20

"For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be called to mind, Nor will they come up into the heart.18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating. For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy And her people a cause for exultation.19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem and exult in my people; No more will there be heard in her the sound of weeping or a cry of distress.”20 “No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days, Nor an old man who fails to live out his days. For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy, And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age."
Isaiah 11:9
"They will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah As the waters cover the sea."

So evil can and perhaps will still arise in someone's mind, but the person will not be given the opportunity to carry it out and will be immediately put to death. Because Jehovah will never allow it again, neither of animals nor of humans.

 

[Soul Sage]

I don't think we'll remember everything. That's why I think it's important to have a museum or pass on family albums and other things throughout the generations. Hopefully it will be preserved and be presented before us. We'll have a new body and a new brain if resurrected. Any past traumas will not be remembered and we may act like a totally different person without those traumas molding is in certain ways.

 

[Joseph Stephan]

My brother's father believes that in the new world, we will forget about the sinful aspects of our current world. I disagreed with him, emphasizing the importance of remembering humanity's history with sin. He's kind of a JW, sort of, and this led me to question whether I'm the one with an unconventional perspective. It strikes me as odd to imagine a scenario where we forget everything, especially given that encounters with such viewpoints are not uncommon. The idea that we'll wander through paradise aimlessly without remembering sin or anything negative seems absurd.

If we were to forget about sin, does that imply we won't recall what Jesus did for us? While I understand the benefit of not dwelling on past mistakes indefinitely, I question whether forgetting everything, including our redemption through Christ, makes practical sense. Jehovah suggests that former sins won't be called to mind anymore after a certain point. That makes sense, on an individual basis humans will have been redeemed; clearly, holding on to what we have already been absolved for serves no function

However, I still believe that humanity's history with sin and failure will always be part of our collective history. It's essential to differentiate between not dwelling on personal sins and forgetting the failures that our species overcame triumphantly, with the help of Christ. If we were to forget everything, it could diminish the significance behind Christ's actions. But those are just my thoughts.

$Hit, I Can't Remember What I Did Last Week!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

My brother's father believes that in the new world, we will forget about the sinful aspects of our current world. I disagreed with him, emphasizing the importance of remembering humanity's history with sin. He's kind of a JW, sort of, and this led me to question whether I'm the one with an unconventional perspective. It strikes me as odd to imagine a scenario where we forget everything, especially given that encounters with such viewpoints are not uncommon. The idea that we'll wander through paradise aimlessly without remembering sin or anything negative seems absurd.

If we were to forget about sin, does that imply we won't recall what Jesus did for us? While I understand the benefit of not dwelling on past mistakes indefinitely, I question whether forgetting everything, including our redemption through Christ, makes practical sense. Jehovah suggests that former sins won't be called to mind anymore after a certain point. That makes sense, on an individual basis humans will have been redeemed; clearly, holding on to what we have already been absolved for serves no function

However, I still believe that humanity's history with sin and failure will always be part of our collective history. It's essential to differentiate between not dwelling on personal sins and forgetting the failures that our species overcame triumphantly, with the help of Christ. If we were to forget everything, it could diminish the significance behind Christ's actions. But those are just my thoughts.

Going back to the beginning, Jehovah said to Adam, not to take off the tree, on pain of death. Thus what you are speaking of is not the remembering of (a) sin, but having a choice. That choice will be with us for as long as we live, because it is the primary signal of our heart condition. Even if we “do not recall former things to mind” that does not imply forgetfulness or wiping out of memory, but that we will choose not to recall them. There is a substantial difference.

To recall, infers to dwell upon a matter. It does not mean we have a problem with memory. What the issue here is pointed in reference to the sacrifice of Christ. I.e., what did we learn from it? The principle in the bible is to “train up a boy according to the way and he will not turn aside from it. “ This in itself infers learning. Thus the embracing of spiritual etiquette means that our memories and experiences will serve us well. We will know the pitfalls, we will recall the addiction, the drunkenness, the fights and slaughter, theft, adultery, misery and instantly dismiss it because we have imprinted our existence with the attributes of the spirit. A small example - those of us who have given up smoking rarely think back on it. Day to day we do not recall it any more.

The same principle is applied to the anointed. Their very existence is rewarded by their decision to reject all wrongdoing; to embrace the spiritual values and never to turn aside from it. An endorsement, in other words, of a complete spiritual embracing of meaning, relevance and application into the holiness of Jehovah and Christ. To do so, entails going back to the initial request. “Do not take from the tree.” It has therefore, to have a meaning - an eternal one. The events are no longer important, it is the principle, the insight and wisdom not to go there again. If there was no past, then where is the meaning and application of restraint? Take the scripture about love = hopes all things, bears all things, never fails. But it can be broken by one act of thoughtlessness! Equal and opposites - light /dark.

 

[Niobium]

$Hit, I Can't Remember What I Did Last Week!

Yeah, I'm with you on that one

Also it seems that the brain can block out memories that are related to trauma. One study suggests that "if an experience has been significantly disturbing and painful, even the thought of it may still be overwhelming.
As a result, your brain could take over and decide you don’t have to relive that experience in your mind. It may lock that memory away from your consciousness."( https://psychcentral.com/health/does-trauma-cause-memory-loss) So it may be that certain traumatic events that have been experienced will "not be called to mind". After all would resurrected ones have to go through the painful experience of remembering their death especially if it was violent or traumatic in some way.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I can't see why history would be erased since the scriptures have history in it. The writings have these references for the peoples benefit. The idea of forgetting everything would seem very suspicious on God's part. I understand forgetting trauma & things of that nature, however to forget it all would sound like we would turn into a bunch of monkeys swinging from tree to tree. It doesn't seem to be in human nature to just do that since we like to innovate & be creative.

Learning is beneficial. If we forget, we must be reminded.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I don't think we'll remember everything. That's why I think it's important to have a museum or pass on family albums and other things throughout the generations. Hopefully it will be preserved and be presented before us. We'll have a new body and a new brain if resurrected. Any past traumas will not be remembered and we may act like a totally different person without those traumas molding is in certain ways.

If Jehovah formed man out of the clay of the earth, and then breathed life into it through the nostrils, then it stands to reason that the brain was already there. If the bible says that, then we can safely rely on it being fact. Thus the brain can only be subject to the life that was breathed in to it. We have to ask ourselves if the brain is a processor or thinks for itself.

Is this not why AI is so persuasive? It takes all the information it has been fed, or “learnt”, and expresses it for us. Because it can mechanically collate, recite and organise information in ways we not available to us individually - but could be had we been speaking to those that already know, we credit the speaking machine with intelligence. It’s not. It is not even alive. It is a manipulator of information. A means of expression. Our brain is our means of expressing our life. Angels express their life in spiritual form - so it can be done!

 

[PJ54]

I don't think we'll remember everything. That's why I think it's important to have a museum or pass on family albums and other things throughout the generations. Hopefully it will be preserved and be presented before us. We'll have a new body and a new brain if resurrected. Any past traumas will not be remembered and we may act like a totally different person without those traumas molding is in certain ways.

I have a suggestion! Perhaps the new system should have a library like the Great Library of Alexandria with something along with the Vatican's secret library. Something where all knowledge is there & it is there to serve a purpose of preserving true history & if someone gets strange ideas to do bad, they have to do a pilgrimage there to understand how the old world was. Maybe even have it operate where the person in question can briefly experience the horror of the old world in their mind to set them straight so they will appreciate the new system. Just an idea though.

 

[Edith]

I have a suggestion! Perhaps the new system should have a library like the Great Library of Alexandria with something along with the Vatican's secret library. Something where all knowledge is there & it is there to serve a purpose of preserving true history & if someone gets strange ideas to do bad, they have to do a pilgrimage there to understand how the old world was. Maybe even have it operate where the person in question can briefly experience the horror of the old world in their mind to set them straight so they will appreciate the new system. Just an idea though.

Good idea! Ask Jehovah to change His mind about what He said in Isaiah 65:20b. He did it before for Abraham in connection with Sodom, Genesis 18 verse 26 - 32. So keep begging and who knows......

 

[Jahrule]

I have a suggestion! Perhaps the new system should have a library like the Great Library of Alexandria with something along with the Vatican's secret library. Something where all knowledge is there & it is there to serve a purpose of preserving true history & if someone gets strange ideas to do bad, they have to do a pilgrimage there to understand how the old world was. Maybe even have it operate where the person in question can briefly experience the horror of the old world in their mind to set them straight so they will appreciate the new system. Just an idea though.

Yes! That would be AWESOME. I have considered that before. Something like a epic library of knowledge to instruct new generations on various things. To show how much I love history I still get upset when I think about the Library of Alexandria. LOL. Only in the new world it'll be even grander.

 

[Jahrule]

I don't think we'll remember everything. That's why I think it's important to have a museum or pass on family albums and other things throughout the generations. Hopefully it will be preserved and be presented before us. We'll have a new body and a new brain if resurrected. Any past traumas will not be remembered and we may act like a totally different person without those traumas molding is in certain ways.

That's right. I don't see a point to holding on to trauma. When a child gets hurt, like falls on a bike and scrapes their knee. You don't run up to encourage them to hold on to that pain indefinitely. And the stuff we've endured in this life was much worse than that. I do think we will remember what sin was, and I think we will still teach about the dangers of sin. But that's different from holding on the past trauma.

 

[Jahrule]

Going back to the beginning, Jehovah said to Adam, not to take off the tree, on pain of death. Thus what you are speaking of is not the remembering of (a) sin, but having a choice. That choice will be with us for as long as we live, because it is the primary signal of our heart condition. Even if we “do not recall former things to mind” that does not imply forgetfulness or wiping out of memory, but that we will choose not to recall them. There is a substantial difference.

To recall, infers to dwell upon a matter. It does not mean we have a problem with memory. What the issue here is pointed in reference to the sacrifice of Christ. I.e., what did we learn from it? The principle in the bible is to “train up a boy according to the way and he will not turn aside from it. “ This in itself infers learning. Thus the embracing of spiritual etiquette means that our memories and experiences will serve us well. We will know the pitfalls, we will recall the addiction, the drunkenness, the fights and slaughter, theft, adultery, misery and instantly dismiss it because we have imprinted our existence with the attributes of the spirit. A small example - those of us who have given up smoking rarely think back on it. Day to day we do not recall it any more.

The same principle is applied to the anointed. Their very existence is rewarded by their decision to reject all wrongdoing; to embrace the spiritual values and never to turn aside from it. An endorsement, in other words, of a complete spiritual embracing of meaning, relevance and application into the holiness of Jehovah and Christ. To do so, entails going back to the initial request. “Do not take from the tree.” It has therefore, to have a meaning - an eternal one. The events are no longer important, it is the principle, the insight and wisdom not to go there again. If there was no past, then where is the meaning and application of restraint? Take the scripture about love = hopes all things, bears all things, never fails. But it can be broken by one act of thoughtlessness! Equal and opposites - light /dark.

You sir are my intellectual hero. You put this into words better than I could have. I tip my hat to you. Hopefully I reach that point where I won't think about smoking anymore soon. It's only been a little over a month, and it's not my first time quitting, but something is definitely different this time. It's been much easier. Perhaps it's because I remember my past failures and know now how to avoid them.

 

[Soul Sage]

If Jehovah formed man out of the clay of the earth, and then breathed life into it through the nostrils, then it stands to reason that the brain was already there. If the bible says that, then we can safely rely on it being fact. Thus the brain can only be subject to the life that was breathed in to it. We have to ask ourselves if the brain is a processor or thinks for itself.

Is this not why AI is so persuasive? It takes all the information it has been fed, or “learnt”, and expresses it for us. Because it can mechanically collate, recite and organise information in ways we not available to us individually - but could be had we been speaking to those that already know, we credit the speaking machine with intelligence. It’s not. It is not even alive. It is a manipulator of information. A means of expression. Our brain is our means of expressing our life. Angels express their life in spiritual form - so it can be done!

If we are cremated at death or been in a terrible accident. Everything returns to dirt. "From dust you are to dust you return". Our DNA is our coding, like our default software that God breathed into us. Except this software would have a new update, not inheriting sin

 

[Jahrule]

If we are cremated at death or been in a terrible accident. Everything returns to dirt. "From dust you are to dust you return". Our DNA is our coding, like our default software that God breathed into us. Except this software would have a new update, not inheriting sin

Agreed. Our firmware is full of bugs at the moment. Really looking forward to my update from the cloud.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Good idea! Ask Jehovah to change His mind about what He said in Isaiah 65:20b. He did it before for Abraham in connection with Sodom, Genesis 18 verse 26 - 32. So keep begging and who knows......

But it is not the act of evil that is the issue. It is the desire to be obtuse to the law of righteousness, is it not? Romans 7. “Miserable man that I am for what I should not do, is what I do. I have the desire to do good, but I cannot carry it out.” V14…”For the law is spiritual (but I am un spiritual )…” . Thus the scripture points to our natural sense of spiritual understanding to guide us. At present, one way or another, we compromise ourselves because we cannot reach that spiritual standard. Loaded down with sin we can not do otherwise. However, as the scripture point out, we know, within ourselves, what is good as the scripture points out. How much more then, will our soul tell us what is good when we know what “good“ is both in spirit and in mind?

Sin is a condition of mind, is it not? The first sin was a condition of mind from a perfect body. The mind is not physical is it? Like the angels that came down to earth, it was for physical pleasure was it not. There was no body to corrupt. Sin is a choice. We do not need to be reminded of what sin constitutes because we already know what it is - anything contrary to the law of Jehovah. It’s a principle of life. “A little leaven …”

I would imagine that the reason why not one of the anointed would turn from the truth is because one that is given such insight into the substance of truth - the spirit of the creator - would not turn aside from it. Was Satan ever privy to such insight? How could he have been - the knowledge of it must be the very essence of life itself. Certainly, once corrupted, it can only be restored by one who acknowledges that very principle by giving it up freely in testament of such principles. That is why Jehovah cannot lie.

Jehovah did not change his mind regarding Sodom. He knew there was no one to save other than Lot and family, but had the grace to allow Abraham to come to understand the issue for himself. One might just as well ask Jehovah if there is any uncorrupted person in the British government. I like the way the scripture ends ”When the lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left…..” - or …..“When Abraham finally got the point, Jehovah said “told you so, listen next time!” and left. And Abraham sulked and went home.”