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Watchman

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A man will give everything that he has for his life.—Job 2:4.

The Bible acknowledges that death is an enemy. (1 Cor. 15:25, 26) We may feel anxious at the thought of death, especially when we or our loved ones are critically ill. Why do we fear death? Because Jehovah created us with the desire to enjoy life forever. (Eccl. 3:11) A balanced fear of death can help us to protect our life. It can motivate us to make good decisions about our diet and exercise routine, to seek the help of physicians and medications when necessary, and to avoid needlessly putting our life in danger. Satan knows that we cherish our life. He claims that we would sacrifice everything we have—even our friendship with Jehovah—just to preserve our present life. (Job 2:5) How wrong Satan is! Still, since he is “the one having the means to cause death,” Satan tries to exploit our natural fear of death in order to make us abandon Jehovah.—Heb. 2:14, 15. w22.06 18 ¶15-16
When someone has the power to influence many others it must be an irresistible temptation to misuse that power, especially when the Devil is in the room. The Watchtower has tremendous influence over the lives of millions of Christians. During the pandemic, the Governing Body skillfully terrorized JWs through their Updates, exploiting our fear of death by regularly tallying up the rising death toll and then hyping the vaccination program as if Jehovah rolled it out just for the salvation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Now that more and more people are waking up to the evil psyops that Satan's minions have worked upon the world, with the Watchtower's full participation in the scheme, like many other institutions the Governing Body is doing damage control. Thus, today's comment about seeking "the help of physicians and medications when necessary to avoid needlessly putting our life in danger." Did you get that? The pandemic presented everyone with a life-threatening scenario (lie) and the Governing Body endorsed and in some cases materially provided the "necessary" medication so that you could remain in the land of the living. And, of course, soon, during the great tribulation, they will be issuing even more life-saving instructions.

Although I do not believe that taking the vaccine presented a compromise of our faith, the pandemic did underscore the premise of the Devil's argument; namely, that a person will do anything, even allowing themselves to be injected with an untested, gene-altering elixir, in the hope of avoiding death. Fear is a powerful emotion. And even though the fear was the fabrication of skillful manipulators, it worked.

I do not forgive the Watchtower for manipulating Jehovah's trusting sheep into getting vaccinated, some of whom are no longer in the land of the living because they took the medical advice of "the slave." Nor do I forgive the Governing Body for deceiving the multitudes of souls whom God entrusted to their care about what awaits us in the future. As stated already, the Watchtower has vast power over the lives of millions of people who look to it as the sole source of spiritual guidance. It is their responsibility to teach the truth. The truth is not that complicated. It is the twisted tangle of lies that make it hard. What am I talking about?

Take the matter of the mark of the beast. What is the mark of the beast? Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you are likely to get a reply that makes no sense. That is because the Governing Body has deceived themselves and those under their influence into imagining that everyone has already been marked for permanent death. As absurd and nonsensical as that sounds, it is the official teaching of Jehovah's earthly organization. Some 20 years ago the WT published an article on the topic. (CLICK HERE) Although much of what is said is true, here is what the faithful and discreet slave says about how people receive the mark:
Thus, the mark, whether on the right hand or on the forehead, figuratively speaking, is a symbol that identifies its bearer as one who gives worshipful support to the beastlike political systems of the world. Those having the mark give to “Caesar” that which rightly belongs to God. (Luke 20:25; Revelation 13:4, 8; 14:1) How? By giving worshipful honor to the political state, its symbols, and its military might, to which they look for hope and salvation. Any worship that they render the true God is merely lip service.
So, according to the Watchtower, there is no future application. There is no warning to be given. Everyone who salutes a flag, votes in an election, or serves in the military, or, apparently, even those who think that governments have the right to dictate health matters, has already had their names blotted out of the Book of Life. Why Jehovah's Witnesses are urged to preach to those who have already given Caesar their allegiance and been condemned to everlasting death is anyone's guess. This is a hint of the absurdities of the Watchtower's life-saving instructions to come.

The blindness that presently grips Jehovah's Witnesses is astounding to me. Contrary to the Watchtower's feel-good fairy tales, Satan has not gotten in our face and threatened us with death unless we deny Jehovah. But do not deceive yourself, it is coming. One day the present, relatively peaceful and secure system we live under, otherwise known as Western civilization, is going to crash. It is even now in the process of being taken down. It is little by little now, although being greatly accelerated, at some point, it will be all at once. What is being taken down is the nation-state system that has been in place since the Treaty of Westphalia. What that means is, after the crash nations will no longer be sovereign. And if you believe governments are bad now, just wait until a communist world government is put in place.

Already the UN World Health Organization is lobbying for absolute power over every citizen on this planet in advance of the X killer pandemic they intend to release. The Bank of International Settlements, the so-called central bank of the central banks, is ready to crash the system, foreclose on bankrupt nations, corporations, and virtually every household, and implement a digital currency that will allow them to control and regulate every purchase.

If you believe the Watchtower's incredible tale of the magic kingdom and that somehow the beast has already compelled all mankind to bow before it and Satan has already put to death those who refuse to worship the beast or its mage and somehow Jehovah's worshippers have been prevented from buying life's necessities, you are in for a shock. It is not just civilization that stands at the brink. The Watchtower's fantasyland is about to come crashing down too.

"And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast. It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666." - Revelation 13:15-18

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MickHewitt

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the pandemic did underscore the premise of the Devil's argument; namely, that a person will do anything, even allowing themselves to be injected with an untested, gene-altering elixir, in the hope of avoiding death.
Not everyone took the vax out of fear of Physical death: Some knowing the gamble took it out of fear of spiritual death, for not following the FDS. My ex wife was one of three that I know took it out of fear of disobeying Jehovah's governing body. They took the gamble of dying knowing it's untestedness on the side of obeying the FDS and Rom13:1's direction of Subjecting oneself to the superior authorities.And don't forget it's still Christ's sanctuary Dan8:11 therfore accountable! I'm sure you and I wish them the very best in Jehovah's will? I took it because I'm an idiot. And bitter for it too: Yet I have outlived a fatal prognosis in 2018. Jah be blessed forever! But not as big an idiot for thinking I was saved for not taking it!
 
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Paul H

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I do not forgive the Watchtower for manipulating Jehovah's trusting sheep into getting vaccinated, some of whom are no longer in the land of the living because they took the medical advice of "the slave."
JEhovahs sheep waiting in line to be vaccinated schapen prikjes in de rij.jpeg

The blindness that presently grips Jehovah's Witnesses is astounding to me. Contrary to the Watchtower's feel-good fairy tales, Satan has not gotten in our face and threatened us with death unless we deny Jehovah. But do not deceive yourself, it is coming.


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BagdadBill

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I'm sure you and I wish them the very best in Jehovah's will? I took it because I'm an idiot.
My ex took it and I begged her not to. She is having weird health problems now. I hope you fare well. My non-jw brother was arguing with me about the jab and sounded like he was considering it. He didn't. I didn't take it because of two flu shots I was coerced into taking while in the Army in the early 80s. One made me sick for almost two months. That's a long time considering I've never been sick more than a few days. When Obama took office it was one fear campaign after another and one year I recall him urging Americans to take a flu jab. I saw this coming long before Trump took office. I like this post of Robert's because it is a reminder of the level of deception we're subjected and they're just getting warmed up.
 

MickHewitt

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My ex took it and I begged her not to. She is having weird health problems now. I hope you fare well. My non-jw brother was arguing with me about the jab and sounded like he was considering it. He didn't. I didn't take it because of two flu shots I was coerced into taking while in the Army in the early 80s. One made me sick for almost two months. That's a long time considering I've never been sick more than a few days. When Obama took office it was one fear campaign after another and one year I recall him urging Americans to take a flu jab. I saw this coming long before Trump took office. I like this post of Robert's because it is a reminder of the level of deception we're subjected and they're just getting warmed up.
My ex stopped all my four children from any vax in favour of alternatives. I couldn't understand it. But now I do.
 

MickHewitt

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My ex stopped all my four children from any vax in favour of alternatives. I couldn't understand it. But now I do.
I say again for the sake of the ones above looking in who no doubt are disaffected congregants of Watchtower who have possibly taken the vax only now to be viewing the self righteous here who think they are saved because they didn't.....Let's have a little compassion and understanding. How does Jehovah think towards our dear brothers who have been for so long now beguiled by Bethel? Could Jah have brought them here only to see the same attitude they are running away from?
 

Jim

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Not everyone took the vax out of fear of Physical death: Some knowing the gamble took it out of fear of spiritual death, for not following the FDS. My ex wife was one of three that I know took it out of fear of disobeying Jehovah's governing body. They took the gamble of dying knowing it's untestedness on the side of obeying the FDS and Rom13:1's direction of Subjecting oneself to the superior authorities. I'm sure you and I wish them the very best in Jehovah's will? I took it because I'm an idiot. And bitter for it too: Yet I have outlived a fatal prognosis in 2018. Jah be blessed forever!
Don't be too hard on yourself. I was actually looking for a pharmacy near my home to set an appointment for the jab. I knew nothing about the mRNA technology at that time. My son who is a bright 20-something software engineer was adamant that he would not take it. He explained the mechanism of the technology. I didn't really understand his explanation (Now can explain it in enough detail it would make your eyes glaze over) :LOL:. He told me he would rather get his head cut off than get the injection. His statement gave me pause. So, I took a step back and started to do my own research. Still didn't understand a lot, what I did understand didn't set well with me. So, I decided I wouldn't take it. We both had to fight employer mandates. I even contacted an attorney (solicitor). He said basically that in my state our employment laws are such that I probably had no case, but to state to my employer that I have contacted legal counsel. That worked. Exempted. I don't know if I would have complied or not if push came to shove. But with what I know about the poison now, I will live in my car before complying. You aren't an idiot. Especially considering having recently had a serious medical issue. Now is past time to forgive yourself. 😇
 

MickHewitt

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Don't be too hard on yourself. I was actually looking for a pharmacy near my home to set an appointment for the jab. I knew nothing about the mRNA technology at that time. My son who is a bright 20-something software engineer was adamant that he would not take it. He explained the mechanism of the technology. I didn't really understand his explanation (Now can explain it in enough detail it would make your eyes glaze over) :LOL:. He told me he would rather get his head cut off than get the injection. His statement gave me pause. So, I took a step back and started to do my own research. Still didn't understand a lot, what I did understand didn't set well with me. So, I decided I wouldn't take it. We both had to fight employer mandates. I even contacted an attorney (solicitor). He said basically that in my state our employment laws are such that I probably had no case, but to state to my employer that I have contacted legal counsel. That worked. Exempted. I don't know if I would have complied or not if push came to shove. But with what I know about the poison now, I will live in my car before complying. You aren't an idiot. Especially considering having recently had a serious medical issue. Now is past time to forgive yourself. 😇
Oh trust me Jim I have forgiven myself; It's the self righteousness of others that are in need. That's why you witness my angst! Infact Jim I'm glad in a way I took it otherwise I would be joining the self righteous in their thinking!
 
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MickHewitt

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You're no idiot. Too trusting of the NHS? Maybe back then, but certainly not now I'd wager!
At that time dear Carl because of being given good prognosis of not making the end of the year; I resumed Crack and Heroin use in the only area available the groin it eased the pain and gave me hours in the day to continue listening to e-watchman site. Being in such great pain but being placed in a home for those on end of life treatment I saw no need to be alarmed at further injections! Yet here I am and glad too! I'm not in need of such intense drug use at the moment! Yet glad to be still in an NHS home being treated! They even pay for this internet connection!
 

Frank D

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I do not forgive the Watchtower for manipulating Jehovah's trusting sheep into getting vaccinated, some of whom are no longer in the land of the living because they took the medical advice of "the slave." Nor do I forgive the Governing Body for deceiving the multitudes of souls whom God entrusted to their care about what awaits us in the future. As stated already, the Watchtower has vast power over the lives of millions of people who look to it as the sole source of spiritual guidance. It is their responsibility to teach the truth. The truth is not that complicated. It is the twisted tangle of lies that make it hard. What am I talking about?
Isn't it up to ALL individuals to test for themselves what is true?

You say the 'LIE' is the premature claiming the presence/day of the Lord is here. You also said that from the beginning of the Watchtower that that false claim was being made. First with Russell claiming it started in 1874 and then later when they changed it to 1914.

When and why did God ever entrust them?

And if the 1914 presence/day of the Lord claim is truly the "LIE' then why do you care about any who believe that from the Watchtower? Those who believe the 'LIE' are evil unrighteous people deserving of death, the love of the truth is not in them.

[9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.]


Take the matter of the mark of the beast. What is the mark of the beast? Ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you are likely to get a reply that makes no sense.
Interesting that you bring up the MOTB. This is still future and all those that take it are evil unrighteous people deserving a judgment of death.

[2 Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like those of a bear, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority.]
[11 Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed. 13 And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind. 14 It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. 15 And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast. 16 It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.]
[9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb.]
[20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.]
 
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Watchman

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You say the 'LIE' is the premature claiming the presence/day of the Lord is here. You also said that from the beginning of the Watchtower that that false claim was being made. First with Russell claiming it started in 1874 and then later when they changed it to 1914.
When and why did God ever entrust them?
There are stupid prophets whom God allows to preside over his people until such time as God no longer allows it. That will be when the Son of man arrives. However, the stupid prophets are not the only stupid ones.
 

MickHewitt

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However, the stupid prophets are not the only stupid ones.
Ofcourse you reserve the right to be wrong....wink! Or are you stupid in believing everything you write? Because I take umbridge with what you wrote earlier; Knowing I and others have taken the jab you implied we fell foul to the Devil's argument that a person will do anything even taking an untested gene altering elixir in the hope of avoiding death! Do you take this back?
 
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Watchman

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Ofcourse you reserve the right to be wrong....wink! Or are you stupid in believing everything you write? Because I take umbridge with what you wrote earlier; Knowing I and others have taken the jab you implied we fell foul to the Devil's argument that a person will do anything even taking an untested gene altering elixir in the hope of avoiding death! Do you take this back?
There's nothing to take back. That would be a denial that we were not all subjected to a well-coordinated, fearmongering scheme to bamboozle everyone into taking the jab. But, as I said, getting vaccinated is not a compromise of faith. It is, even as the Watchtower hypocritically says, a personal decision. The point is the entire thing was fear-induced, which is what the Devil uses against us. And the point of my post is that the Watchtower was at the forefront of inducing fear in order to promote the vaccine.
 

Frank D

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There are stupid prophets whom God allows to preside over his people until such time as God no longer allows it. That will be when the Son of man arrives. However, the stupid prophets are not the only stupid ones.
I know that I am stupid, that is for sure, however your reply doesn't answer anything. What you say is the 'LIE' has always been what is taught from the Watchtower. There has never been a time in its history that they didn't teach that Jesus was here/has come already. If that is the case, then since you say that Jehovah/Jesus entrusted them, then that would mean that Jehovah/Jesus entrusted/appointed the stupid prophets/the MOL.
Is that right?

Also, are you saying that people are judged for death for believing 1914 and also judged for death for taking the mark/supporting the 8th king? Are there two different judgments?
 
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MickHewitt

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There's nothing to take back. That would be a denial that we were not all subjected to a well-coordinated, fearmongering scheme to bamboozle everyone into taking the jab. But, as I said, getting vaccinated is not a compromise of faith. It is, even as the Watchtower hypocritically says, a personal decision. The point is the entire thing was fear-induced, which is what the Devil uses against us. And the point of my post is that the Watchtower was at the forefront of inducing fear in order to promote the vaccine.
Still I was not subjected to a well coordinated fearmongering scheme neither bamboozled by the Devil: Much as I respect your status as Jehovah's Watchman it does not give you the right to slander my status?
 

Watchman

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Still I was not subjected to a well coordinated fearmongering scheme neither bamboozled by the Devil: Much as I respect your status as Jehovah's Watchman it does not give you the right to slander my status?
I wasn't aware of your status.
 
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