Thu Feb 8th - It puts under compulsion all people

MickHewitt

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Good quote J&P. We have never met anyone perfect therefore cannot expect it of ourselves, cannot expect it of anyonelse: Only the Christ has this quality. Even the Apostle Peter was picked up for his prejudism against Gentiles even though he was given example not to by Holy Spirit! Gal2:11
Watchtower's understanding of Daniel 11:34 "But when they are made to stumble they will be given a little help" They alikened this 'little help' to when the Berlin Wall came down! Giving until then refused access to the Soviet kingdom. But we now know that they were expelled for extremism by Putin because of their affiliation with NGO that comes only with CIA controll. But when could they in time be given a 'little help'? When would they need the help at the proper time? I believe it's now. Look at the preceding verse32&33 "'And those who act wickedly against the covenant he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words' Bethel has surely been smooth worded into that apostasy? Goes onto say' those knowing thier God will prevail and act effectively'. vs33 And those having insight will impart understanding to the many. Like what's happening through e-watchman? But vs 35 'Some of those having insight will be made to stumble in order to do a refining work' ....Why? 'Because of them'? And what is that time indication? Latter part of 35 'to do a cleansing and a whitening until the time of the end because it is yet for the time appointed' Much to think on?
 

StopTheInsanity

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Oh trust me Jim I have forgiven myself; It's the self righteousness of others that are in need. That's why you witness my angst! Infact Jim I'm glad in a way I took it otherwise I would be joining the self righteous in their thinking!
And those in the organization who thought that they were trusting the "FDS" weren't being self-righteous towards the unvaxxed thinking that THEY were being obedient and the rest of us were spiritually weak losers???? Wow. Now that's some serious gaslighting Mick. I was in the org at the time. I seriously get to differ.
 

MickHewitt

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And those in the organization who thought that they were trusting the "FDS" weren't being self-righteous towards the unvaxxed thinking that THEY were being obedient and the rest of us were spiritually weak losers???? Wow. Now that's some serious gaslighting Mick. I was in the org at the time. I seriously get to differ.
That's our privilege to differ STI. The hope is that when Christ arrives and un gasses the light and setting matters straight we will in eye to eye speak in unison. Isa 52:8. Try using scripture in your argument STI
 

StopTheInsanity

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That's our privilege to differ STI. The hope is that when Christ arrives and un gasses the light and setting matters straight we will in eye to eye speak in unison. Isa 52:8. Try using scripture in your argument STI
Hey Mick, there was a post that was deleted where the original poster had woken up and left the organization due to the org's response to the vaccines. You said "good on you for leaving due to the vaxx, but what took you so long? Why was it for a selfish reason and not for the CSA, etc?"

Do you remember that? I do. I called you out on it and said we all were duped and you responded with saying "the truth is the truth is the truth" and the thread was deleted because the original post was a bunch of prophecy stuff that was the posters opinions that differed with this site.

Do you remember that? I do. You were being self-righteous in judging that person's not leaving for an "unselfish" reason. That taking a stand against the vaxx wasn't a good enough reason. And by saying " truth is the truth is the truth" meant that you didn't feel that they shouldn't have woken up sooner. And now you are mad at Robert for basically saying the same thing.

And speaking of using scriptures in my answers to you, do you remember when, early on, I was asking a bunch of scriptural questions on here and you said that I asked too many questions, and I quoted the scriptures about Mary "choosing the better portion" while Martha was distracting with making the food?

I would like for you to acknowledge that many of us saw the vaxx early on for what it was and when we took a stand were shunned, ridiculed and isolated. My husband is a former Bethelite/elder and had to step down due to the flogging he got by the body of elders and we ended up disassociating over this. We took the heat and didn't succumb to the pressure. Because "the truth is the truth is the truth" and we knew we would have to answer to Jehovah for how we took care of our bodies and we knew that Jehovah provides for his faithful ones when they stand up for truth.

So I really am taking issue with your comments here. You could have done what we did. We researched the vaxx. It was on the internet. England has access to the internet.

I even stood up for you and told you that some who got the jab got a placebo and not to worry. Do you remember that?

The only reason a lot of us are on here and even starting looking into things and found this site is because of how we were treated by the org for not taking the vaccine and this one the ONLY place that was calling out WT for pushing the jab.

Lloyd Evans and Kim Mikey thought that the way WT was handling the vax was GREAT and "the one responsible thing that they are doing". Their words.

This was the only place that was calling WT out about it.

THE SHEEP WERE BEATEN FOR NOT TAKING THE VAX.

In fact, an elder called me and my husband "COVID Apostates" for leaving the org over this.

Meanwhile, many are still in because they have family in and want to still talk to them.

What I hope all who took the vaxx learned from this was

1) Satan's system is VERY good at deception and drumming up fear and the Bible has warned us about Satan's deceptive schemes over and over and over again and now we all got a taste of just how good he is at fooling us.

2) Satan's system will try to force you into it's mold and will use extreme pressure to do it.

My conscience is clean for not taking the jab. I was willing to lose everything and have lost a lot. I wrote a seventy page letter to our elders where I kicked them to the curb and took them to task for what they've done. I knew that if I shrunk back in fear now, then what could I expect of myself later? We need to all learn from what happened and view it as a shot across the bow. It was a test run. Just like when Peter denied the Christ three times and wept bitterly and later became bold for the truth and eventually a martyr, this was a learning lesson.

BUT, I have become bold in the truth and this post is part of it. I will NOT be scolded by you for standing up for my truth and if it gets me kicked off here then so be it. The organization and almost everyone I know who took the vax were self-righteous as HELL and virtual signaling like crazy at how great they were and the unvaxxed were dangerous and a risk to be around.

Now that the real truth is coming around it's time for the self-righteous vaxxers to apologize to the unvaxxed for how they treated them while they were standing in their integrity. I have not been rubbing it in people's noses, but Robert's post hits a sore spot because it's a weakness that needs to be fixed. He's doing you a favor. Don't let pride get in the way of seeing "the truth is the truth is the truth".
 

MickHewitt

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Hey Mick, there was a post that was deleted where the original poster had woken up and left the organization due to the org's response to the vaccines. You said "good on you for leaving due to the vaxx, but what took you so long? Why was it for a selfish reason and not for the CSA, etc?"

Do you remember that? I do. I called you out on it and said we all were duped and you responded with saying "the truth is the truth is the truth" and the thread was deleted because the original post was a bunch of prophecy stuff that was the posters opinions that differed with this site.

Do you remember that? I do. You were being self-righteous in judging that person's not leaving for an "unselfish" reason. That taking a stand against the vaxx wasn't a good enough reason. And by saying " truth is the truth is the truth" meant that you didn't feel that they shouldn't have woken up sooner. And now you are mad at Robert for basically saying the same thing.

And speaking of using scriptures in my answers to you, do you remember when, early on, I was asking a bunch of scriptural questions on here and you said that I asked too many questions, and I quoted the scriptures about Mary "choosing the better portion" while Martha was distracting with making the food?

I would like for you to acknowledge that many of us saw the vaxx early on for what it was and when we took a stand were shunned, ridiculed and isolated. My husband is a former Bethelite/elder and had to step down due to the flogging he got by the body of elders and we ended up disassociating over this. We took the heat and didn't succumb to the pressure. Because "the truth is the truth is the truth" and we knew we would have to answer to Jehovah for how we took care of our bodies and we knew that Jehovah provides for his faithful ones when they stand up for truth.

So I really am taking issue with your comments here. You could have done what we did. We researched the vaxx. It was on the internet. England has access to the internet.

I even stood up for you and told you that some who got the jab got a placebo and not to worry. Do you remember that?

The only reason a lot of us are on here and even starting looking into things and found this site is because of how we were treated by the org for not taking the vaccine and this one the ONLY place that was calling out WT for pushing the jab.

Lloyd Evans and Kim Mikey thought that the way WT was handling the vax was GREAT and "the one responsible thing that they are doing". Their words.

This was the only place that was calling WT out about it.

THE SHEEP WERE BEATEN FOR NOT TAKING THE VAX.

In fact, an elder called me and my husband "COVID Apostates" for leaving the org over this.

Meanwhile, many are still in because they have family in and want to still talk to them.

What I hope all who took the vaxx learned from this was

1) Satan's system is VERY good at deception and drumming up fear and the Bible has warned us about Satan's deceptive schemes over and over and over again and now we all got a taste of just how good he is at fooling us.

2) Satan's system will try to force you into it's mold and will use extreme pressure to do it.

My conscience is clean for not taking the jab. I was willing to lose everything and have lost a lot. I wrote a seventy page letter to our elders where I kicked them to the curb and took them to task for what they've done. I knew that if I shrunk back in fear now, then what could I expect of myself later? We need to all learn from what happened and view it as a shot across the bow. It was a test run. Just like when Peter denied the Christ three times and wept bitterly and later became bold for the truth and eventually a martyr, this was a learning lesson.

BUT, I have become bold in the truth and this post is part of it. I will NOT be scolded by you for standing up for my truth and if it gets me kicked off here then so be it. The organization and almost everyone I know who took the vax were self-righteous as HELL and virtual signaling like crazy at how great they were and the unvaxxed were dangerous and a risk to be around.

Now that the real truth is coming around it's time for the self-righteous vaxxers to apologize to the unvaxxed for how they treated them while they were standing in their integrity. I have not been rubbing it in people's noses, but Robert's post hits a sore spot because it's a weakness that needs to be fixed. He's doing you a favor. Don't let pride get in the way of seeing "the truth is the truth is the truth".
Who deleted it plus your comment? For I remember it so well
 

Ms_ladyblue

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That's our privilege to differ STI. The hope is that when Christ arrives and un gasses the light and setting matters straight we will in eye to eye speak in unison. Isa 52:8. Try using scripture in your argument STI
“Listen! Your watchmen raise their voice. In unison they shout joyfully,
For they will see it clearly when Jehovah gathers back Zion.“
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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Hey Mick, there was a post that was deleted where the original poster had woken up and left the organization due to the org's response to the vaccines. You said "good on you for leaving due to the vaxx, but what took you so long? Why was it for a selfish reason and not for the CSA, etc?"

Do you remember that? I do. I called you out on it and said we all were duped and you responded with saying "the truth is the truth is the truth" and the thread was deleted because the original post was a bunch of prophecy stuff that was the posters opinions that differed with this site.

Do you remember that? I do. You were being self-righteous in judging that person's not leaving for an "unselfish" reason. That taking a stand against the vaxx wasn't a good enough reason. And by saying " truth is the truth is the truth" meant that you didn't feel that they shouldn't have woken up sooner. And now you are mad at Robert for basically saying the same thing.

And speaking of using scriptures in my answers to you, do you remember when, early on, I was asking a bunch of scriptural questions on here and you said that I asked too many questions, and I quoted the scriptures about Mary "choosing the better portion" while Martha was distracting with making the food?

I would like for you to acknowledge that many of us saw the vaxx early on for what it was and when we took a stand were shunned, ridiculed and isolated. My husband is a former Bethelite/elder and had to step down due to the flogging he got by the body of elders and we ended up disassociating over this. We took the heat and didn't succumb to the pressure. Because "the truth is the truth is the truth" and we knew we would have to answer to Jehovah for how we took care of our bodies and we knew that Jehovah provides for his faithful ones when they stand up for truth.

So I really am taking issue with your comments here. You could have done what we did. We researched the vaxx. It was on the internet. England has access to the internet.

I even stood up for you and told you that some who got the jab got a placebo and not to worry. Do you remember that?

The only reason a lot of us are on here and even starting looking into things and found this site is because of how we were treated by the org for not taking the vaccine and this one the ONLY place that was calling out WT for pushing the jab.

Lloyd Evans and Kim Mikey thought that the way WT was handling the vax was GREAT and "the one responsible thing that they are doing". Their words.

This was the only place that was calling WT out about it.

THE SHEEP WERE BEATEN FOR NOT TAKING THE VAX.

In fact, an elder called me and my husband "COVID Apostates" for leaving the org over this.

Meanwhile, many are still in because they have family in and want to still talk to them.

What I hope all who took the vaxx learned from this was

1) Satan's system is VERY good at deception and drumming up fear and the Bible has warned us about Satan's deceptive schemes over and over and over again and now we all got a taste of just how good he is at fooling us.

2) Satan's system will try to force you into it's mold and will use extreme pressure to do it.

My conscience is clean for not taking the jab. I was willing to lose everything and have lost a lot. I wrote a seventy page letter to our elders where I kicked them to the curb and took them to task for what they've done. I knew that if I shrunk back in fear now, then what could I expect of myself later? We need to all learn from what happened and view it as a shot across the bow. It was a test run. Just like when Peter denied the Christ three times and wept bitterly and later became bold for the truth and eventually a martyr, this was a learning lesson.

BUT, I have become bold in the truth and this post is part of it. I will NOT be scolded by you for standing up for my truth and if it gets me kicked off here then so be it. The organization and almost everyone I know who took the vax were self-righteous as HELL and virtual signaling like crazy at how great they were and the unvaxxed were dangerous and a risk to be around.

Now that the real truth is coming around it's time for the self-righteous vaxxers to apologize to the unvaxxed for how they treated them while they were standing in their integrity. I have not been rubbing it in people's noses, but Robert's post hits a sore spot because it's a weakness that needs to be fixed. He's doing you a favor. Don't let pride get in the way of seeing "the truth is the truth is the truth".
STI I very much appreciate your strong words of truth. We’re all in this together and should be pulling together not apart. Some of us may need to let go of our pride, for this is one of the things that Jehovah hates. Although we can look beyond this in our brothers and sisters, because Jehovah knows we’re imperfect and loves when people see the need to change. Then we show mercy and forgiveness.
Again, STI this is an excellent post and I believe it’s a loving response from someone who really cares. Love ya sister. 💜
 
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J&P

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That's our privilege to differ STI. The hope is that when Christ arrives and un gasses the light and setting matters straight we will in eye to eye speak in unison. Isa 52:8. Try using scripture in your argument STI
That's right, we have a right to respectfully disagree.

The Apostle Paul and Barnabas had a difference of opinion over John Mark; in fact, they had a heated dispute. Apparently, they were the type of men that spoke their mind which I, for one, very much respect. Sometimes the opinion is right - sometimes it's wrong. But, the important point is that they eventually resolved their differences and remained brothers in Christ.

Personal differences are easier to resolve and heal if we stay out of the fray, unless, of course, our help is solicited. (Jerry)
 

MickHewitt

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STI I very much appreciate your strong words of truth. We’re all in this together and should be pulling together not apart. Some of us may need to let go of our pride for this is one of the things that Jehovah hates. Although we can look beyond this in our brothers and sisters, because Jehovah knows we’re imperfect and loves when people see the need to change. Then we show mercy and forgiveness.
Again, STI this is an excellent and I believe a loving post from someone who really cares. Love ya sister. 💜
Thanks sister could not scripturally put it better 1John4:20 "If anyone says 'I love God and yet is hating his brother he is a liar" We pray for such ones dear sister.
 

MickHewitt

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That's right, we have a right to respectfully disagree.

The Apostle Paul and Barnabas had a difference of opinion over John Mark; in fact, they had a heated dispute. Apparently, they were the type of men that spoke their mind which I, for one, very much respect. Sometimes the opinion is right - sometimes it's wrong. But, the important point is that they eventually resolved their differences and remained brothers in Christ.

Personal differences are easier to resolve and heal if we stay out of the fray, unless, of course, our help is solicited. (Jerry)
Wonderful reasoning: Where there is no wood the fire goes out! Pr26:20
 

StopTheInsanity

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STI I very much appreciate your strong words of truth. We’re all in this together and should be pulling together not apart. Some of us may need to let go of our pride for this is one of the things that Jehovah hates. Although we can look beyond this in our brothers and sisters, because Jehovah knows we’re imperfect and loves when people see the need to change. Then we show mercy and forgiveness.
Again, STI this is an excellent post and I believe it’s loving response from someone who really cares. Love ya sister. 💜
I was thinking of you and Susan B/Meditator and how all of you have your children not talking to you STILL even though you are all technically speaking in "good standing" and your only "sin" was questioning the GB on this. You are a widow. I admire your courage and deep spirituality in trusting in Jah to help you through this. He loves you for it, Sis, and so do we.
 

StopTheInsanity

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And the really disgusting thing is that WT lied to others about what was in the vaccine. THEY KNEW and pressured the members anyways to take it and mandated it for the schools. The newest post on the JW Adverse Events site:

The Governing Body knew in 2020 that anti-Covid-19 vaccines were derived from stem cells taken from aborted embryos.
Anti-Covid-19 vaccines mostly use stem cells taken from human embryos at different stages of their development (a few days to a few months). These cell lines are not immortal, but require regular sampling (between a few months and a few years). This poses an ethical problem in most cultures.

The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses was aware of this problem and refrained from talking about it, diverting the gaze of each Witness by assuring them that the vaccines did not contain blood.

Here is an extract from the letter written by the Governing Body in response to this question:

« Regarding the use of cell lines produced from cells derived from aborted fetuses, we are aware that many vaccines in use today, including some COVID-19 vaccines, involve these cell lines in their production, such as the cell lines MRC-5, HEK293, and T-REx-293. What factors would a Christian need to consider when deciding whether or not to accept such a vaccine? First, was the abortion arranged with the express purpose of harvesting such cells? If so, then using those cells would make one directly complicit in the willful taking a human life. Second, did the act of taking the desired cells from the fetus actually kill it? If so, that too would make the one using those cells complicit in the willful taking human life. (See the November 22, 2002, issue of Awake!, page 10, paragraph 1) However, if the fetus was not aborted for the purpose of harvesting any of its cells or if it did not die as a direct result of taking them, it would be a personal matter as to wether one might utilize the cells or accept a vaccine that utilized such cells. In some respects, the situation could be compared to that of a Christian who needs an organ transplant and who has to decide wether to accept an organ from the body of a murder victim. - Compare « Questions From Readers » in Watchtower of March 15, 1980, page 31. » (View the original letter)

Why has the Governing Body pressured recommended that all Witnesses around the world get vaccinated, while also categorizing it as a matter of individual conscience? Did they even once address this inconsistency, or were they more inclined to ignore the sensibilities and personal agency of those in their care?
 

MickHewitt

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I assume Robert did due to the original post being personal opinions about when the end would come that he didn't agree with. Perhaps Robert could clarify that since the original poster said that an earlier comment of theirs had been deleted also.
Perhaps: We are all subject to the truth initiated by Christ to the Woman at the well. Respect to your endeavour to all things truth brother. Let Jehovah be found truthfull yet everyone be found a liar!
 

MickHewitt

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I have been in awe and aquiessence to many of your scriptural quotes sister. It's the word that builds us up!
I am in assurance of this: No it's too easy to believe and put trust in members constituting FDS at Bethel or a Watchman here to offload and install our belief, faith and trust rather than our personal relationship with Jehovah and Christ through our understanding in scripture. I'ts personal brothers not trust in an other individual. Jehovah does not want that but our own personal love? Not relying on others to become our proxy or franchise of our personal salvation!
 

Medi-tator

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I was thinking of you and Susan B/Meditator and how all of you have your children not talking to you STILL even though you are all technically speaking in "good standing" and your only "sin" was questioning the GB on this. You are a widow. I admire your courage and deep spirituality in trusting in Jah to help you through this. He loves you for it, Sis, and so do we.
Aloha STI! Just to clarify, our daughter (technically my daughter) works for the company as a Disaster Relief worker and does speak with us freely. We just are not on the same page with her and her husband where it comes to the golden calf. Otherwise, we are good to go with her. Just needed to clarify that whereas @Ms_ladyblue is indeed being dealt with treacherously by those who should know better, those who worship Jehovah or at least claim to do so. She really needs our prayers regarding this particular matter.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I was thinking of you and Susan B/Meditator and how all of you have your children not talking to you STILL even though you are all technically speaking in "good standing" and your only "sin" was questioning the GB on this. You are a widow. I admire your courage and deep spirituality in trusting in Jah to help you through this. He loves you for it, Sis, and so do we.
I appreciate your kind words STI. They’re so very encouraging. It’s words like these that can help us to keep going. May Jehovah bless you. 💜
 
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