Timeline...A Work in Progress

[Cristo]

I made a rough timeline some months back, but don't want to take the time to look for it as it was in another post. I wanted this to have its own thread for ease of finding it, and for discussion. I have adjusted this one from the original, and feel it is easier to read, and get the sense of the timeline in the Bible as we know it. I don't claim that this timeline is 100% accurate, as the title notes it is a 'work in progress'. Hope it leads to more discussion and understanding of the events that are soon to unfold around us. If it is hard for you to read click on it, and its resolution will be increased.

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Scriptures to help reference to. (Bold text is just for ease of finding times in scripture.)​

(Da 8:10-12) “. . .And it kept getting greater all the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went trampling them down. 11 And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.”

(Da 8:13-14) “. . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.””

(Da 12:7) “7 And I began to hear the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish.””

(Da 12:11-12) “11 “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!”

(Re 8:1-2) “8 And when he opened the seventh seal, a silence occurred in heaven for about a half hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God, and seven trumpets were given them.”

(Re 11:11-12) “. . .And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.”

(Re 11:15) “. . .And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.””

(Re 11:2-3) “. . .But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.””

(Re 12:13-14) “. . .Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.”

(Re 13:3) “. . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. . .”

(Re 19:6-7) “. . .And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: “Praise Jah, YOU people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king. 7 Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself.. . .”

 

[TheJehuChariot]

Beautiful and so helpful to those who assimilate knowledge and understanding via visualization aids. Thank you for the diligent effort Cristo!

 

[Cristo]

As I was creating the timeline, the 2300 days were a problem for me in that I was trying to figure out what event would start the 2300 days that the holy one in Daniels vision was referring to.

(Da 8:13-14) “. . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.””​

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One of the many questions I have regarding the timeline is does the end of the 1335 days allude to the incoming kingdom of God at Armageddon since 'happy are those arriving at 1335 days'. For the sake of argument, lets say this is correct, this would mean that prior to the 1335 days, there would be 965 days to the beginning of the 2300 days.

Bearing in mind that the collapse of the United States, or rather the mortal wound on the seventh head of the beast seems to be imminent, this would place the beginning of the 2300 days right around the time when the Governing Body decided to become intertwined with the WHO and it's message regarding the vaccine. If this worldwide message was beginning, of what will become the impetus behind forcing the mark of the beast on mankind, then the GB would be guilty of transgression, and be a part of the Satanic system that will result in the trampling of the holy ones. This is all speculation, just brainstorming out loud is all.

Some might wonder then, why this particular point in the GB would stand out compared to all the other lies, and deception promoted by the GB. This would be the first time that the relationship between the Society and the WHO(United Nations) would result in the death of those who worship Jehovah, specifically the anointed ones. The transgression starts 2300 days before the holy place is brought into its right condition. That right condition is when ALL the anointed have been raised into heaven, and stand before Jehovah and Jesus Christ for the marriage between the bride and Christ. Because the transgression is ultimately directed at the anointed ones, the decision to force all of the GB to take the vaccine, would be the beginning of said transgression and mark the beginning of the 2300 days.

Anybody want to discuss this, or perhaps speculate with me is a better way to ask?

 

[Cristo]

No bites...guess I need a different lure, lol.

Actually, I had all night at work to consider this theory, and had somebody perhaps considered it as well, they missed an opportunity to tell me that I am completely wrong, ha. Which I am ok with by the way, but now I get to correct myself.

The prophecy in Daniel speaks of the holy place being brought into its right condition. Therefore, my initial thought regarding the Governing Body and their acceptance of the WHO mandates regarding the vax, and their reaction in the subtle forcing of it upon the rank and file, being the possible beginning of the 2300 days is completely wrong in the perspective I was looking at it from.

Reason being is that the prophecy deals with ultimately bringing the chosen ones into their rightful place in heaven.

In order for that to happen, the holy ones must ultimately choose death over life in this world. Because we know that the final result of the desolation by the king of the north will result in forcing mankind to take on the mark of the beast, the holy ones, and many others(the army), will be things to trample on for refusing the mark. However, this is the end point of the 2300 days, after they have refused to become a part of this world and its Satanic ideology.

Because the prophecy describes the holy place being 'brought into its right condition', this indicates that a refining is occurring in order to be brought into the holy place, which takes 2300 days to complete. Daniel describes this refining in chapter 12.

(Da 12:10) “. . .Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.”​

The beginning of the 2300 days is the beginning of a refinement period in which the holy ones, and the army, will demonstrate their loyalty to Jehovah.

(ALERT, speculation ALERT, cue siren)

I feel that the vaccine was an initial run of the beast system to get the world ready to, in the future, receive the mark of the beast. There were many within the organization who accepted the vax, however there have been many who have not, and by refusing to do so, have taken a stand against the beast system, and the Watchtower, who are now showing themselves to be a part of that system by their actions, and subtle suggestions to take the vaccine(or be removed from your positions). This is potentially the beginning of a refinement of a people which ultimately leads to their being counted worthy to make it into the new system, or if they are a holy one of God to be brought into the holy place as the prophecy states

However, because the man of lawlessness is at work within the organization, many of those who willingly and blindly accepted the vax because of pressure from the GB, will ultimately be lead into apostasy because they will be induced by smooth words, or subtle suggestions, that if they don't take Gods vaccine they won't be in an approved condition to serve him, which is essentially what the GB has been promoting.

(Da 11:32) “. . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . .”​

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Lets see if this lure works any better...

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I made a rough timeline some months back, but don't want to take the time to look for it as it was in another post. I wanted this to have its own thread for ease of finding it, and for discussion. I have adjusted this one from the original, and feel it is easier to read, and get the sense of the timeline in the Bible as we know it. I don't claim that this timeline is 100% accurate, as the title notes it is a 'work in progress'. Hope it leads to more discussion and understanding of the events that are soon to unfold around us. If it is hard for you to read click on it, and its resolution will be increased.

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Scriptures to help reference to. (Bold text is just for ease of finding times in scripture.)



(Da 8:10-12) “. . .And it kept getting greater all the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went trampling them down. 11 And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.”

(Da 8:13-14) “. . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.””

(Da 12:7) “7 And I began to hear the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish.””

(Da 12:11-12) “11 “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!”

(Re 8:1-2) “8 And when he opened the seventh seal, a silence occurred in heaven for about a half hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God, and seven trumpets were given them.”

(Re 11:11-12) “. . .And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.”

(Re 11:15) “. . .And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.””

(Re 11:2-3) “. . .But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.””

(Re 12:13-14) “. . .Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.”

(Re 13:3) “. . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. . .”

(Re 19:6-7) “. . .And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: “Praise Jah, YOU people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king. 7 Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself.. . .”

Really helpful. Thanks.

 

[evw]

No bites...guess I need a different lure, lol.

Actually, I had all night at work to consider this theory, and had somebody perhaps considered it as well, they missed an opportunity to tell me that I am completely wrong, ha. Which I am ok with by the way, but now I get to correct myself.

The prophecy in Daniel speaks of the holy place being brought into its right condition. Therefore, my initial thought regarding the Governing Body and their acceptance of the WHO mandates regarding the vax, and their reaction in the subtle forcing of it upon the rank and file, being the possible beginning of the 2300 days is completely wrong in the perspective I was looking at it from.

Reason being is that the prophecy deals with ultimately bringing the chosen ones into their rightful place in heaven.

In order for that to happen, the holy ones must ultimately choose death over life in this world. Because we know that the final result of the desolation by the king of the north will result in forcing mankind to take on the mark of the beast, the holy ones, and many others(the army), will be things to trample on for refusing the mark. However, this is the end point of the 2300 days, after they have refused to become a part of this world and its Satanic ideology.

Because the prophecy describes the holy place being 'brought into its right condition', this indicates that a refining is occurring in order to be brought into the holy place, which takes 2300 days to complete. Daniel describes this refining in chapter 12.

(Da 12:10) “. . .Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.”​

The beginning of the 2300 days is the beginning of a refinement period in which the holy ones, and the army, will demonstrate their loyalty to Jehovah.

(ALERT, speculation ALERT, cue siren)

I feel that the vaccine was an initial run of the beast system to get the world ready to, in the future, receive the mark of the beast. There were many within the organization who accepted the vax, however there have been many who have not, and by refusing to do so, have taken a stand against the beast system, and the Watchtower, who are now showing themselves to be a part of that system by their actions, and subtle suggestions to take the vaccine(or be removed from your positions). This is potentially the beginning of a refinement of a people which ultimately leads to their being counted worthy to make it into the new system, or if they are a holy one of God to be brought into the holy place as the prophecy states

However, because the man of lawlessness is at work within the organization, many of those who willingly and blindly accepted the vax because of pressure from the GB, will ultimately be lead into apostasy because they will be induced by smooth words, or subtle suggestions, that if they don't take Gods vaccine they won't be in an approved condition to serve him, which is essentially what the GB has been promoting.

(Da 11:32) “. . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . .”​

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Lets see if this lure works any better...

My try 😉: Revelation 11:1-3; Revelation 3:12; Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31;
All these texts apparently point to the same events, related to those serving as underpriests in God's great spiritual temple [being anointed Christians].
An important (in my opinion) reference text is the second woe in Revelation 11:7-11 which relates to the testimony of the 'anointed ones wrapped in sackcloth' for 42 months (being half of the 2300 days??) after which they are killed and called to ascend to heaven]. Where then [the] "holy place" has been brought into its proper condition to receive them.
Then the seventh angel blows his trumpet and Jesus' Kingdom is "a fact" along with his "24 elders" the anointed.
He is then more or less about to hurl Satan and his angels to earth and the third woe, or the other half of the 2300 days, (ie the last 42 months?) begins with the King of the North as great director.
After that, Armageddon can (finally) begin and all our misery will come to an end.
Oh, wait, somewhere before this also comes the great tribulation.
Oké, also for me 'work in progress'

 

[Michelle]

Amazing Cristo! Thank you so much!

 

[Cristo]

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This is not to scale. Obviously still a work in progress. A lot more to add...

 

[Cristo]

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Added few more things. Hoping to evoke some discussion about the timeline regarding certain events. Would love to hear others perspective, or if they see something that needs adjustment I'm not against examining the scriptures together.

 

[LuisMerino9412]

There are some very good things here, my friend. Thank you for this. And I'm very happy that someone finally did something like this l haha. I always wanted to do it or someone else to do it. Haha I'm going to explain some things though because they are not quite right. I'm going to show first how things will occur according to what I have read and understood. It's gonna be kind of long though. Lol.

First, we have what has been obvious for some time. There will be a declaration of peace and security before everything happens. That will be the last sign before the conclusion of this system begins. We can see this in 1 Thessalonians 5:3.

Then, the Kingdom is established as Revelation 6:2 shows when Jesus receives his crown in heaven.

Then, we have what Jesus and Revelation predicted. First, the world will have war. "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom". Then, there will be famine, pestilences, earthquakes, etc. There will be hyperinflation. Money will lost its value. There will be a terrible international crisis. This terrible international crisis will be the great tribulation. The United States and London will fall and this will start like a domino effect that will affect the whole world. There will even be a civil war in the USA. It will fall as a democratic and free nation. At a certain point during all this crisis, the first resurrection will begin. During the most horrible and distressing time of humanity, there will be no governments for some time. There will be anarchy. The symbolic and literal luminaries of this world will be darkened by the explosion of nuclear weapons and the collapse of civilization. It will be the darkest period of mankind. The beast will receive its death stroke. Satan will have been cast out from heaven and will want to completely destroy this world. 2 billion people will die during this period. We can see this in Revelation 6, 12, 13, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, Ezekiel 26 - 32, Isaiah 19, Daniel 11:40 - 43.

The preaching work will be suddenly interrupted. The sheep will be scattered. The congregations and everyone will be confused. At this point, brothers and sisters will betray their brothers and sisters to death. Families will also betray their Christian relatives to death. The promised judgment of the house of God will take place. The wicked will be uprooted. There will be a separation. Joel 1 and 2 speak about this. Also Matthew 13 and, partially, Matthew 25.

Then, suddenly, before the whole world disappears, Jehovah will intervene and will cut short the tribulation. The prayers of the faithful anointed ones will have been heard. At this point, Jesus will appear to them. The true parousia will be a reality. They will be sealed, while the wicked ones will be outside already. The separation of the wicked and the righteous inside the house of God will have taken place then. Revelation 7 and many other passages show this.

Now the judgment of this world will begin.

The beast will revive. The nations will give all what is left of their power and resources to the United Nations, perhaps with the intention of avoiding something like what will just have happened to ever occur again. This is what was wanted when the UN was created in 1945, to avoid another world war, but this time this will truly happen. The UN will be then empowered to govern the whole world. The UN will receive everything from the nations. The revived Anglo-American power will push the nations to do this. Besides, at some point, we can also expect many false prophets from Babylon the Great to arise and push this initiative too. This will be the point when the 3 1/2 years begin, not before. There will be one world government. There will also be only one economic system, a communist one, it seems. Everyone will have to pledge alliance to the beast in order to get anything. Nobody will be able to buy or sell without having the mark of the beast. It seems that Babylon the Great will be one at a certain point too. There will be no wars among the nations because the UN will govern the whole planet. It will have absolute power over everyone and everything. It will control everything. So, if anyone dares to oppose to it or refuses to obey, they will know, and the sentence will be death.

At the same time, the chosen ones will start giving their testimony to this world. They will be helped by the great crowd. They will preach a message of doom for 3 and a half years. And even though they will not be part of the beast system, Jehovah will find a way to keep them alive and cover their needs, as in some way, the story of the widow of Sarepta and others show. Besides, even though they will be hated, no one will be able to harm them or kill them. They will be protected by Jehovah and Jesus until they have finished their work. The world will hate the chosen ones and their companions. Jesus will then judge the world for what it will do to his brothers. Besides, anyone who receives the mark of the beast will receive eternal destruction.

After giving their testimony, the chosen ones will be killed. But their murder will result in their instantaneous change to immortal beings in the spirit realm. The Kingdom will be then complete in heaven.

Nevertheless, this attack against Jehovah's chosen ones will provoke the pouring of the 7 bowls of wrath upon the world. Satan will try to destroy and kill the great crowd too, but Jehovah will not allow that. Jehovah will be truly furious. Finally, after many years of holding His wrath, this world will feel it and He will be completely justified to act against it. The beast will get rid of the harlot. All the riches that religion has obtained will be plundered. She will be publicly humiliated. Then, what is left of her will be completely destroyed. The Vatican will be gone, along with all the churches and religious buildings or constructions around the world by that time. 1/3 of mankind will die during this war against religion. The blood she has shed will be finally avenged.

Finally, what is left of this world with its extremely wicked and corrupt elite and wealthy people along with its military, economic and political system and those who had survived the annihilation of Babylon the Great will be destroyed at the war of Armageddon when Jehovah will finish showing His anger against this world. And He will show it in that moment in a very terrifying way, like never before. Jesus, the 144.000, and the angels will get rid of what is left of this world by that time. They will clean the planet. The beast will be destroyed to never come back again along with all those who supported it. Their bodies will be food for the birds of the sky and the beasts of the field. Then, as we all know, Satan will be incarcerated in the abyss with his demons, and the Millennium will begin.

So, there are some things that need to be clarified. The 3 1/2 years only comprehend the reign of the beast and the preaching of the chosen ones. The 1290 days, 1335 days and other times are not that clear yet. The sign predicted in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 will occur before the 3 1/2 years begin.

I personally believe that everything (from the moment Jesus is crowned in heaven till Armageddon or even Satan being thrown into the abyss) there will be 7 years and these 7 years will include all the periods mentioned in the Bible, being the 1335 days the last one.

Why do I say this? Well, 7 is a number that represents what is complete. Besides, and more importantly, there have been some patterns of previous judgments related to the time of the end with that number. For example, Jehovah announced Noah that he and his family had been chosen to be the survivors of the Deluge 7 days before it came. That is very interesting because we know that the Deluge was a pattern of the future destruction that will occur and Jesus said that his presence would be like the days of Noah.

Another example is that Jerusalem was surrounded by the Roman army in 66 CE, and destroyed in 70 CE, but the last stand of the Jews (Masada) was captured in 73 CE, 7 years after the Roman army surrounded the city.

Besides, we do not know the true meaning of the 7 times of Daniel. But the fact that it says that a big tree is chopped down and "let its portion be with the beasts among the vegetation of the earth. Let its heart be changed from that of a human, and let it be given the heart of a beast" and that Nebuchadnezzar (who represented who governed the world back then) lost his mind and lived with the beasts could mean that the "beast" time of this world, during which everything will change from its "normal" state to a "beast" or "mad" state will last 7 years. So, the last days might ultimately be 7 years. These will include the reign of the beast and the killing of many people by the "beasts of the earth" as Revelation 6 and 13 show.

It's interesting that this riddle also mentions a big tree like the one mentioned in Ezekiel which represents the USA. And we know that the fall of this nation will occur at the beginning of the last days. Besides, Babylon and the USA are part of the same political system, the same beast.

Another interesting thing is that when the "beast" state is undone, everything comes back to "normal", but the watchers and Daniel mentioned that the kingdom of mankind is given to whomever Jehovah wants to give it, so this is about Jehovah sovereignty over mankind, and we perfectly know that Jesus was the one chosen to reign over mankind.

So, these 7 years or times might perfectly simbolize the 7 years that the conclusion of this system will last, from the moment things are turned to a really bad, "bestial" state (the beginning of the last days) until Jesus is given the "kingdom of mankind", in other words, the beginning of the Millennium.

I don't know what you think or even if I made myself clear, but that's kind of my vision of the time of the end. Haha 😅. Thank you.

 

[Cristo]

Luis...first of all thank you for your efforts and the time you put in to your thoughts to reflect them to us, sincerely appreciate that.

There will be a declaration of peace and security before everything happens. That will be the last sign before the conclusion of this system begins. We can see this in 1 Thessalonians 5:3.

Thank you for your reference to scripture, and to be honest I hadn't considered this verse yet, so will make note to add it to future versions of the graphic. (any ideas of how to make it look graphically enticing are welcome)

(1Th 5:3) “. . .Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. . .”​

I feel like the reference to a pregnant woman alludes to the symbolism in Revelation(1). She(the sacred secret) is in labor pains waiting to give birth to the sons of God, the chosen ones, who will be given this anointing at the first opening of the seven seals. The question regarding the scripture in 1 Thes is, who is the 'they' and 'them' referring to? I'm not sure yet. I feel as though it is the world in general and the leaders and media who will be saying this.

the Kingdom is established as Revelation 6:2 shows when Jesus receives his crown in heaven.

I covered this extensively in another post regarding who is the rider of the white horse. I would encourage you to check it out, for there are strong very strong reasonings to show it is not Jesus Christ.

Then, we have what Jesus and Revelation predicted. First, the world will have war. "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom". Then, there will be famine, pestilences, earthquakes, etc. There will be hyperinflation. Money will lost its value. There will be a terrible international crisis. This terrible international crisis will be the great tribulation. The United States and London will fall and this will start like a domino effect that will affect the whole world. There will even be a civil war in the USA. It will fall as a democratic and free nation. At a certain point during all this crisis, the first resurrection will begin. During the most horrible and distressing time of humanity, there will be no government for some time. There will be anarchy. The symbolic and literal luminaries of this world will be darkened by the explosion of nuclear weapons and the collapse of civilization. It will be the darkest period of mankind. The beast will receive its death stroke. Satan will have been cast out from heaven and will want to completely destroy this world. 2 billion people will die during all this period. We can see this in Revelation 6, 12, 13, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, Ezekiel 26 - 32, Isaiah 19, Daniel 11:40 - 43.

I agree with pretty much everything you say Luis as to what will happen.

So, there are some things that need to be clarified. The 3 1/2 years only comprehend the reign of the beast and the preaching of the chosen ones. The 1290 days, 1335 days and other times are not that clear yet. The sign predicted in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 will occur before the 3 1/2 years begin.

Finally! thank you Luis for your input. I also appreciate the confidence in which you state it.

I feel like I understand your perspective based on your well founded description of events, and again I thank you for taking the time to do that.

I have amended the timeline regarding the 1290 and 1335 to imply they are still unclear, as you have stated. However, I currently feel that the signs predicted in Matthew and Revelation 6 are synonymous with each other. Jesus gave us signs to be wary of, and Revelation gives us the events in symbolic detail that correspond with the signs Jesus gave. They are analogous to one another.

Notice these verses where Jesus is explaining to the disciples what will happen.

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(Mt 24:7-8) “7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.”​

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(Lu 21:10-11) “. . .Then he went on to say to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.”​

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Now look at the seals being opened

1st seal-Rider of white horse
2nd seal-Take peace away from the earth(nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom)
3rd seal- Hyperinflation and a dramatic separation of the rich and the poor.
4th seal- Food shortages, pestilences

To me, it seems as though Jesus was explaining what would happen once the seals had been opened. It's certainly worth discussing it I feel like. I'm not 100% convinced this is the case yet for other reasons, but to keep this short I am going to leave it with this explanation right now.

At the same time, the chosen ones will start giving their testimony to this world. They will be helped by the great crowd. They will preach a message of doom for 3 and a half years. And even though they will not be part of the beast system, Jehovah will find a way to keep them alive and cover their needs, as in some way, the story of the widow of Sarepta and others show. Besides, even though they will be hated, no one will be able to harm them or kill them. They will be protected by Jehovah and Jesus until they have finished their work. The world will hate the chosen ones and their companions. Jesus will then judge the world for what it will do to his brothers. Besides, anyone who receives the mark of the beast will receive eternal destruction.

Personally, I don't feel they will preach a message of doom, but rather a message of hope, just as Jesus did. In fact as Jesus was giving the details of the last days he told them this. (Mr 13:10) “. . .Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.” This would most certainly indicate a loving message for those who are looking with a good heart to find the only true God.

As the days grow closer to the end it will no doubt turn to the message of judgement, and condemnation for not repenting of their sins. The chosen ones, two witnesses, will make it just as clear as Jesus did that he was the anointed from Jehovah.

Well, 7 is a number that represents what is complete. Besides, and more importantly, there have been some patterns of previous judgments related to the time of the end with that number. For example, Jehovah announced Noah that he and his family had been chosen to be the survivors of the Deluge 7 days before it came. That is very interesting because we know that the Deluge was a pattern of the future destruction that will occur and Jesus said that his presence would be like the days of Noah

The seven year understanding should truly have its own thread. Strong reasoning points that should be considered for sure, but perhaps in it's own thread where we could focus on that specifically.

Luis, again thank you for taking the time to write down your thoughts.

 

[DR74minus]

No bites...guess I need a different lure, lol.

Actually, I had all night at work to consider this theory, and had somebody perhaps considered it as well, they missed an opportunity to tell me that I am completely wrong, ha. Which I am ok with by the way, but now I get to correct myself.

The prophecy in Daniel speaks of the holy place being brought into its right condition. Therefore, my initial thought regarding the Governing Body and their acceptance of the WHO mandates regarding the vax, and their reaction in the subtle forcing of it upon the rank and file, being the possible beginning of the 2300 days is completely wrong in the perspective I was looking at it from.

Reason being is that the prophecy deals with ultimately bringing the chosen ones into their rightful place in heaven.

In order for that to happen, the holy ones must ultimately choose death over life in this world. Because we know that the final result of the desolation by the king of the north will result in forcing mankind to take on the mark of the beast, the holy ones, and many others(the army), will be things to trample on for refusing the mark. However, this is the end point of the 2300 days, after they have refused to become a part of this world and its Satanic ideology.

Because the prophecy describes the holy place being 'brought into its right condition', this indicates that a refining is occurring in order to be brought into the holy place, which takes 2300 days to complete. Daniel describes this refining in chapter 12.

(Da 12:10) “. . .Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.”​

The beginning of the 2300 days is the beginning of a refinement period in which the holy ones, and the army, will demonstrate their loyalty to Jehovah.

(ALERT, speculation ALERT, cue siren)

I feel that the vaccine was an initial run of the beast system to get the world ready to, in the future, receive the mark of the beast. There were many within the organization who accepted the vax, however there have been many who have not, and by refusing to do so, have taken a stand against the beast system, and the Watchtower, who are now showing themselves to be a part of that system by their actions, and subtle suggestions to take the vaccine(or be removed from your positions). This is potentially the beginning of a refinement of a people which ultimately leads to their being counted worthy to make it into the new system, or if they are a holy one of God to be brought into the holy place as the prophecy states

However, because the man of lawlessness is at work within the organization, many of those who willingly and blindly accepted the vax because of pressure from the GB, will ultimately be lead into apostasy because they will be induced by smooth words, or subtle suggestions, that if they don't take Gods vaccine they won't be in an approved condition to serve him, which is essentially what the GB has been promoting.

(Da 11:32) “. . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . .”​

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Lets see if this lure works any better...

I think speculation is fun-wondering how the future will play out-seeing how unfolding events fit with the prophetic word. I've already inserted a speculative comment on the forum about the vax being a compliance shot. I got the idea a few months back from Mike Adams.

I've already speculated about how the sequence of events will play out starting with the Christs coming into his kingdom until Armageddon.

All I know is that Jehovah has told us what will happen, and he has given us clues as to ball-park placement of events, and what we must do to keep our vigil.

All we can do is speculate on how things will play out. In the end Jehovah knows how things will play out in line with prophecy. After all some things are just part of his jurisdiction.

I like speculation but.

 

[alan ford]

Found this, might be useful in some way?

The Biblical Timeline

timeline.biblehistory.com

 

[Medi-tator]

(any ideas of how to make it look graphically enticing are welcome)

A photo of a hippy flashing the peace sign.

 

[Cristo]

Found this, might be useful in some way?

The Biblical Timeline

timeline.biblehistory.com

Hey thanks, that's pretty cool actually regardless of the interpretation of the times involved. Apparently the beast received the mortal wound in 1798 and was healed in 1929. Good stuff nonetheless...

 

[Cristo]

The 3 1/2 years only comprehend the reign of the beast and the preaching of the chosen ones. The 1290 days, 1335 days and other times are not that clear yet.

Hi Luis, after doing some more reading and such, I actually feel that the 1290, 1335 are pretty clear. In fact, I think that is probably the clearest timeframes we have considering that we are given the exact number of days. Can't get any more clear than that actually. However, here is my reasonings if you are interested on why I think so.

 

[alan ford]

Hey thanks, that's pretty cool actually regardless of the interpretation of the times involved. Apparently the beast received the mortal wound in 1798 and was healed in 1929. Good stuff nonetheless...

You're welcome. I liked the interactive presentation and thought there might be at least some useful info on it. Regarding the interpretation, I always assume it's wrong.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Hey thanks, that's pretty cool actually regardless of the interpretation of the times involved. Apparently the beast received the mortal wound in 1798 and was healed in 1929. Good stuff nonetheless...

It’s true. 1798 was a terrible year. It was so cold that the Thames froze and there was insurrection in Ireland which is still going on today. The clincher was that my great aunt fell over and twisted her ankle. With all that going on I think it is pretty well proven that the Beast got his mortal wound that year.

 

[Cristo]

As many here know, I have a thing for timelines, and wanted to post the most recent update to the one I have been working on. It reflects to the best of my ability, the perspective this forum most closely relates to. As I always say, this is a work in progress, and things will certainly change, be added or removed etc...etc. For me, it helps to have a visual aid to see things more clearly, especially when we discuss these things daily. If anybody has questions or concerns please do not hesitate to post them, you won't hurt my feelings if you see something wrong, again it is "A work IN progress".

If you click on the image it will expand into a box, click on it again to enlarge. Hope it helps.

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[Jahrule]

What's the significance of the 2300 days? If this timeline is right we could already be well into the 2300 days and not even realize it. Or am I misreading that?