Trump wins the USA elections - time of the end soon?

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They hate Iran because after WW2, the elected president of Iran nationalized their oil. The Anglo oil company didn't like that. So, in 1953 they overthrew the president and installed a puppet king, the Shah of Iran. British Petroleum was born, now known as BP. In 1973, the Islamists overthrew the Shah. And ever since then, Iran has been slated for destruction. In 1982, the Anglo Empire armed Iraq to attack Iran. The bloody 8-year war was a stalemate, so it was back to the war planning room. In 2000, Bush was given a list of targeted nations, including Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iran. The Anglo war machine has been working it ever since. The success of China's Belt and Road Initiative has given special impetus to the destruction of Iran because if you look at a map, Iran is huge, about the size of Western Europe. And there is no other path from Asia to Africa except through Iran. So, it is very important geographically and strategically. War propaganda has deluded Americans into believing that Iran is a terrorist state and poses some threat to Israel. And, of course, it does, but only because Israel has been fighting a covert war against Iran for many years.
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I agree with your analysis, I just think there's something much deeper happening on the spiritual level. The human minions of the KOTN may hold a grudge over their overthrow in 1979, but I believe the "prince of Persia" is somehow involved in this grudge match. On the human level, the KOTN's minions battle against the KOTS's minions, but on the spiritual level, is Satan's kingdom divided?

Who is the prince of Persia aligned with? For that matter, who is the prince of Persia? A high-ranking demon, or Satan? Doesn't Satan rule as the KOTN right now? If so, did the demon ruling as the KOTS join with Satan in rebellion against Jehovah, but later a rift occurred with Satan and the 2 have been rivals ever since?

Daniel 10:20-21 "Then he said: “Do you know why I have come to you? Now I will go back to fight with the prince of Persia. When I leave, the prince of Greece will come. However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Michael, your prince."
 
Carl said:
I agree with your analysis, I just think there's something much deeper happening on the spiritual level. The human minions of the KOTN may hold a grudge over their overthrow in 1979, but I believe the "prince of Persia" is somehow involved in this grudge match. On the human level, the KOTN's minions battle against the KOTS's minions, but on the spiritual level, is Satan's kingdom divided?

Who is the prince of Persia aligned with? For that matter, who is the prince of Persia? A high-ranking demon, or Satan? Doesn't Satan rule as the KOTN right now? If so, did the demon ruling as the KOTS join with Satan in rebellion against Jehovah, but later a rift occurred with Satan and the 2 have been rivals ever since?

Daniel 10:20-21 "Then he said: “Do you know why I have come to you? Now I will go back to fight with the prince of Persia. When I leave, the prince of Greece will come. However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Michael, your prince."
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Excerpted from-Divine intervention.

There have undoubtedly been countless interventions that were not humanly observable and are only knowable by divine revelation. One instance is recorded in the 10th chapter of Daniel when a demon prevented an angel from coming to the prophet’s assistance. Michael, the archangel, intervened and overpowered the demonic prince of Persia.

Jehovah God intervened in other ways, though, that were not supernatural. God commissioned nations to accomplish his purpose. For example, God used Assyria to punish the idolatrous ten tribes of Israel. A century and a half later, Babylon became an instrument in God’s hand to destroy Jerusalem. Then God moved the Medes and Persians to overthrow Babylon and liberate the Jews. In each instance though, Jehovah announced long in advance his intention to use earthly empires to accomplish his work.

https://e-watchman.com/divine-intervention/

Daniel10:13​

But the prince*+ of the royal realm of Persia+ was standing in opposition+ to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Miʹcha·el,*+ one of the foremost* princes,+ came to help me; and I, for my part, remained* there beside the kings of Persia.+

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Bk Kevin said:
Excerpted from-Divine intervention.

There have undoubtedly been countless interventions that were not humanly observable and are only knowable by divine revelation. One instance is recorded in the 10th chapter of Daniel when a demon prevented an angel from coming to the prophet’s assistance. Michael, the archangel, intervened and overpowered the demonic prince of Persia.

Jehovah God intervened in other ways, though, that were not supernatural. God commissioned nations to accomplish his purpose. For example, God used Assyria to punish the idolatrous ten tribes of Israel. A century and a half later, Babylon became an instrument in God’s hand to destroy Jerusalem. Then God moved the Medes and Persians to overthrow Babylon and liberate the Jews. In each instance though, Jehovah announced long in advance his intention to use earthly empires to accomplish his work.

https://e-watchman.com/divine-intervention/

Daniel10:13​

But the prince*+ of the royal realm of Persia+ was standing in opposition+ to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Miʹcha·el,*+ one of the foremost* princes,+ came to help me; and I, for my part, remained* there beside the kings of Persia.+

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So the angel with the message for Daniel was delayed for21 days But another Angel freed him.Looks to me that Satan organation was infilrated by Spy ( Good angels)Today it looks like that is happening now.Satan organazation will go down.
 
Carl said:
but on the spiritual level, is Satan's kingdom divided?
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This is a very interesting and compelling thought. It brings to mind, when Jesus was accused of using "Beelzebub", to expel demons...and Jesus said to them, "a house divided cannot stand." Growing up, the implication was always that this meant the demons were not divided and or unified. However, is that what Jesus actually said, or was it much much deeper?

Keep in mind this whole fiasco started with Satan wanting to be worshiped, and of course he recruited other angels. The recruitment certainly entailed, "hey, we should all be worshiped", he would have appealed to the very thing that appealed to him. Then how exactly did they organized the subsequent hierarchy? Seems to me you've started a rebellion founded on division! Who would be the "new god" to the rebel angels if they rejected Jehovah? And if they are all "gods" how could they organize? It reminds me of the saying, "too many chiefs and not enough Indians." This fact alone would have caused a major division, who worships who? And what's the point if they are not all worshiped? Make no mistake, their rebellion had nothing to do with "the beautiful daughters of sons of men", they were trying to prevent the "seed" promised in Gen. 3:15 from being born!

Jesus was not answering the Pharisees, to give them an answer to "their question". He knew their question was not sincere, so the answer he gave them was to confuse and confound them, and to shut them up.

What if the whole point of Jesus was actually, "a house divided cannot stand..." was not what it seems. That in fact he was NOT saying they were united. Rather he knew the question they posed was irrelevant, and the actual point he was making was that the "house of Jehovah" was NOT divided! Perhaps the very point was, that because they were divided they were weak!

Definitely food for thought to be sure!
 
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Nomex said:
This is a very interesting and compelling thought. It brings to mind, when Jesus was accused of using "Beelzebub", to expel demons...and Jesus said to them, "a house divided cannot stand." Growing up, the implication was always that this meant the demons were not divided and or unified. However, is that what Jesus actually said, or was it much much deeper?

Keep in mind this whole fiasco started with Satan wanting to be worshiped, and of course he recruited other angels. The recruitment certainly entailed, "hey, we should all be worshiped", he would have appealed to the very thing that appealed to him. Then how exactly did they organized the subsequent hierarchy? Seems to me you've started a rebellion founded on division! Who would be the "new god" to the rebel angels if they rejected Jehovah? And if they are all "gods" how could they organize? It reminds me of the saying, "too many chiefs and not enough Indians." This fact alone would have caused a major division, who worships who? And what's the point if they are not all worshiped? Make no mistake, their rebellion had nothing to do with "the sons of men", they were trying to prevent the "seed" promised in Gen. 3:15 from being born!

Jesus was not answering the Pharisees, to give them an answer to "their question". He knew their question was not sincere, so the answer he gave them was to confuse and confound them, and to shut them up.

What if the whole point of Jesus was actually, "a house divided cannot stand..." was not what it seems. That in fact he was NOT saying they were united. Rather he knew the question they posed was irrelevant, and the actual point he was making was that the "house of Jehovah" was NOT divided! Perhaps the very point was, that because they were divided they were weak!

Definitely food for thought to be sure!
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Think about Paul’s words at Ephesians 6:12 “because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.”

Some Bibles use the word principality instead of government. Why?

Principality is defined as "a state ruled by a prince." Think prince of Persia.
Government is defined as "the system to govern a state or community." This sounds less spiritual.

Why change the wording? Maybe it's to draw attention away from the fact that Satan employs his demons to rule with him. Satan didn't command the demons who followed him into rebellion, they made a free will choice. He most likely seduced some and lied to others. Satan was probably the 2nd most powerful angel behind Jesus, which would mean there are less powerful angels under him. It makes sense that some would have been assigned to rule over the different human kingdoms, since Satan isn't omnipresent like Jehovah, who put a restraint in place to keep the demons from going too far.

The fallen angels report to Satan as their leader, but must have some level of autonomy, which Satan promised in order to get them to rebel. Otherwise, why leave Jehovah. As time went on, it's entirely possible some of them rebelled... the 1st group was probably the ones who came down and mated with women. As I asked in my post, is the KOTN Satan, or a powerful lieutenant of his? Is the KOTS another lieutenant? Does Satan rule his kingdom the way many human rulers have, via divide and conquer... pitting one faction of demons against another... one philosophy of rulership vs another.

It's entirely possible some of the angels became complete degenerates, demanding child sacrifice, while the other faction was more into appearing good... i.e. Satan dark and Satan light. Satan's goal is to tempt those who love Jehovah into worshipping him. If he wants humans worship, he has to offer something. He thinks free will is a joke, so he rules by the laws he thinks will create a better society... which don't work in those who don't follow Jehovah's Law.

My son and I discussed how society will never work without Jehovah, no matter how much control you have. Everyone, no matter how kind and loving they are, would eventually fail as they add law after law thinking just one more will fix things. Human imperfection can't be fixed by imperfect laws, not matter how loving the law's creator is. That's why the HOT will start out not so bad but will progressively get more and more overbearing as Satan tightens his grip. All the while he'll be blaming the anointed for his failures, enraging the masses against them.
 
I NEVER thought when I heard of Gesara/Nesara I would live to see it mentioned here. 😄

@Shekinah
Covid was the Trojan horse to create the initial divide setting up many doctors who exposed the bio weapon jab, yet these same doctors attended Trump rallies despite him endorsing operation “Warp Speed”
It’s because they are part of the Q movement, who are supporters of Trump they already knew he was coming back as a potential “saviour” to put things in place.
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@Carl
The Q movement could be a modern version of "Operation Trust." I think it's entirely possible that team Trump ran a sting operation over the past 4+ years, so he could root out those disloyal to him and "the plan." It sounds impossible from a human level, but we're dealing with people who have access to supernatural knowledge via the demons who run them. Everything happening right now isn't about us, it's a spiritual battle between far more intelligent beings as well know, but most of humanity is clueless about.
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I still have a very HIGH skepticism against Med Beds. I would think at BEST it's an illusion to lure you into a trap and then BAM!, you are fooled into joining them. Because that's the one thing I realized about Satan's imitations including his "World Government", that all his promises are false or a shoddy copy at best and the worst you expected is not even close to the worse he'll bring.

If they really fall to the lie of Sumerian tablets, that really tells you the extent of their faith was shallow at the best.

Also from @SusanB
Hi Nomex, I’m also thinking that the earth will open up to swallow the flood of persecution that is unleashed towards them. In my mind, that indicates that there will be some who do not take the mark, are not supporting the 8th King but they also do not worship Jehovah. Something, whether it is people or a system of laws or ???, is described as the earth and it has the ability to stop or limit the persecution.
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This is an interesting part too. I personally know of people that believe in Nesara/Gesara, and they'll be fooled. But I also know non-religious people that likely will not be fooled.

(The Watchtower teaching, or at least what I heard from brothers is that the "Earth swallowing floodwaters" happened with US and it's allies intervening in WWII.)

One thing I'm expecting with 99% certainty is that during his administration when the "hidden things will be revealed". I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that wants this with fervor. Isn't this really important? For all the absolute dark to be exposed out in the light? Isn't the reasons for half of the crimes they are committing because they want it hidden? Of course they will eventually reveal it to everyone, but they want to do it in a slow and subtle way, with things under their control, like a frog being slowly boiled. But I'm expecting things to be revealed as if in a flash.
 
Bk Kevin said:
I don't know if you read Robert Kings book, a thorough study of his book would not only be ideal for you but also many others who are familiar with the watchtowers teachings.

Here is the link-Jehovah has become King.> https://jehovah-is-king.com/
P.S go at your own pace and if you need any help feel free to ask me or anybody else on the site.
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I have listened to Roberts book so many times I find it helps bring the Bible to life, it makes everything so clear. Apart from the Bible it’s the only thing I read that makes sense and resonates with me. Also it’s helped cure my insomnia 🤣
 
Shekinah said:
I have listened to Roberts book so many times I find it helps bring the Bible to life, it makes everything so clear. Apart from the Bible it’s the only thing I read that makes sense and resonates with me. Also it’s helped cure my insomnia 🤣
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So, you are saying I put you to sleep? :(;)

BTW, it is nice to see your face after all these years :D
 
DavidCJ said:
I still have a very HIGH skepticism against Med Beds. I would think at BEST it's an illusion to lure you into a trap and then BAM!, you are fooled into joining them. Because that's the one thing I realized about Satan's imitations including his "World Government", that all his promises are false or a shoddy copy at best and the worst you expected is not even close to the worse he'll bring.

If they really fall to the lie of Sumerian tablets, that really tells you the extent of their faith was shallow at the best.
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I share your skepticism, but I'm open to all possibilities. There's a lot of research into healing frequencies. So, I imagine if med beds are real, they would use this technology. I'd rather die, than accept Satan's "gifts" though.
 
Shekinah said:
I have listened to Roberts book so many times I find it helps bring the Bible to life, it makes everything so clear. Apart from the Bible it’s the only thing I read that makes sense and resonates with me. Also it’s helped cure my insomnia 🤣
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Proverbs13:20​

He that is walking with wise persons will become wise,+ but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.+
 
DavidCJ said:
I NEVER thought when I heard of Gesara/Nesara I would live to see it mentioned here. 😄

@Shekinah

@Carl

I still have a very HIGH skepticism against Med Beds. I would think at BEST it's an illusion to lure you into a trap and then BAM!, you are fooled into joining them. Because that's the one thing I realized about Satan's imitations including his "World Government", that all his promises are false or a shoddy copy at best and the worst you expected is not even close to the worse he'll bring.

If they really fall to the lie of Sumerian tablets, that really tells you the extent of their faith was shallow at the best.

Also from @SusanB

This is an interesting part too. I personally know of people that believe in Nesara/Gesara, and they'll be fooled. But I also know non-religious people that likely will not be fooled.

(The Watchtower teaching, or at least what I heard from brothers is that the "Earth swallowing floodwaters" happened with US and it's allies intervening in WWII.)

One thing I'm expecting with 99% certainty is that during his administration when the "hidden things will be revealed". I sometimes feel like I'm the only one that wants this with fervor. Isn't this really important? For all the absolute dark to be exposed out in the light? Isn't the reasons for half of the crimes they are committing because they want it hidden? Of course they will eventually reveal it to everyone, but they want to do it in a slow and subtle way, with things under their control, like a frog being slowly boiled. But I'm expecting things to be revealed as if in a flash.
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@DavidCJ
I didn’t think I’d ever use it either 🤣
 
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Shekinah said:
Seriously though you have a relaxing voice brother, which has changed slightly over the years but still has a calming effect.
The removing of the pic was long over due but got there in the end 😅
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I know what you mean Shekinah, many a time in the middle of the night when I can't get back to sleep, I've put my headphones in and started listening to Robert's book and without fail, I'm asleep within 10 minutes! Not because the subject's boring but like you, I think his voice is calming but it's also calming knowing I'm listening to the "truth" again.. I had to order the book in the end so I can read it and take it all in properly :-)
 
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I know what you mean Shekinah, many a time in the middle of the night when I can't get back to sleep, I've put my headphones in and started listening to Robert's book and without fail, I'm asleep within 10 minutes! Not because the subject's boring but like you, I think his voice is calming but it's also calming knowing I'm listening to the "truth" again.. I had to order the book in the end so I can read it and take it all in properly :-)
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Thats exactly how it is sis 🙂
Let’s not say too much he may start charging us for these therapy sessions 🤣
 
Melinda Riling said:
Can someone send me a link to Roberts book on audio
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The audio player is on the top of every chapter, along with a download button. However, there is also a playlist of all the audio chapters and the link to it is at the very bottom of the index on the right-hand column of every page. Just so you know, the online version of the book is the second edition (2010)

Here is the playlist https://jehovah-is-king.com/playlist/
 
Watchman said:
The audio player is on the top of every chapter, along with a download button. However, there is also a playlist of all the audio chapters and the link to it is at the very bottom of the index on the right-hand column of every page. Just so you know, the online version of the book is the second edition (2010)

Here is the playlist https://jehovah-is-king.com/playlist/
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I think the book I bought on Amazon is 2016 is it? Or is it 2010? 🤔
 
Shekinah said:
I have listened to Roberts book so many times I find it helps bring the Bible to life, it makes everything so clear. Apart from the Bible it’s the only thing I read that makes sense and resonates with me. Also it’s helped cure my insomnia 🤣
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Me pasa lo mismo, son muchos años leyéndolo. Lo tengo tan interiorizado que si me pongo en modo audio libro, muchas de las partes puedo entenderlas mientras las traduzco en mi mente gracias a la memorización de la repetición. Como no hablo inglés a veces me digo, el don de lenguas, mi Señor! Milagro!! 😂😂😂 Y sonrió de felicidad sola en la noche, con el destello de luz del móvil en mi cara...es tan celestial!!😍
 
Ana said:
Me pasa lo mismo, son muchos años leyéndolo. Lo tengo tan interiorizado que si me pongo en modo audio libro, muchas de las partes puedo entenderlas mientras las traduzco en mi mente gracias a la memorización de la repetición. Como no hablo inglés a veces me digo, el don de lenguas, mi Señor! Milagro!! 😂😂😂 Y sonrió de felicidad sola en la noche, con el destello de luz del móvil en mi cara...es tan celestial!!😍
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The same thing happens to me, I've been reading it for many years. I have it so internalized that if I put myself in audiobook mode, many of the parts I can understand while translating them in my mind thanks to the memorization of repetition. Since I don't speak English I sometimes say to myself, the gift of tongues, my Lord! Miracle!! 😂😂😂 And she smiled with happiness alone in the night, with the flash of light from the mobile phone on my face... It's so heavenly!! 😍
 
Melinda Riling said:
Translation

The same thing happens to me, I've been reading it for many years. I have it so internalized that if I put myself in audiobook mode, many of the parts I can understand while translating them in my mind thanks to the memorization of repetition. Since I don't speak English I sometimes say to myself, the gift of tongues, my Lord! Miracle!! 😂😂😂 And she smiled with happiness alone in the night, with the flash of light from the mobile phone on my face... It's so heavenly!! 😍
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Thank you for the translation sister 😘
 
Ana said:
Me pasa lo mismo, son muchos años leyéndolo. Lo tengo tan interiorizado que si me pongo en modo audio libro, muchas de las partes puedo entenderlas mientras las traduzco en mi mente gracias a la memorización de la repetición. Como no hablo inglés a veces me digo, el don de lenguas, mi Señor! Milagro!! 😂😂😂 Y sonrió de felicidad sola en la noche, con el destello de luz del móvil en mi cara...es tan celestial!!😍
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Speaking in tongues 🤣
 
Carl said:
Some Bibles use the word principality instead of government. Why?
Principality is defined as "a state ruled by a prince." Think prince of Persia.
Government is defined as "the system to govern a state or community." This sounds less spiritual.
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Govern (control). Ment (mind). It looks a little different when break down the Latin.
Carl said:
The fallen angels report to Satan as their leader, but must have some level of autonomy, which Satan promised in order to get them to rebel. Otherwise, why leave Jehovah. As time went on, it's entirely possible some of them rebelled... the 1st group was probably the ones who came down and mated with women. As I asked in my post, is the KOTN Satan, or a powerful lieutenant of his? Is the KOTS another lieutenant? Does Satan rule his kingdom the way many human rulers have, via divide and conquer... pitting one faction of demons against another... one philosophy of rulership vs another.

It's entirely possible some of the angels became complete degenerates, demanding child sacrifice, while the other faction was more into appearing good... i.e. Satan dark and Satan light. Satan's goal is to tempt those who love Jehovah into worshipping him. If he wants humans worship, he has to offer something. He thinks free will is a joke, so he rules by the laws he thinks will create a better society... which don't work in those who don't follow Jehovah's Law.
My son and I discussed how society will never work without Jehovah, no matter how much control you have. Everyone, no matter how kind and loving they are, would eventually fail as they add law after law thinking just one more will fix things. Human imperfection can't be fixed by imperfect laws, not matter how loving the law's creator is. That's why the HOT will start out not so bad but will progressively get more and more overbearing as Satan tightens his grip. All the while he'll be blaming the anointed for his failures, enraging the masses against them.
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As servants of the Creator, the angels had position and authority. From what can be gleaned without actually saying it outright, every angel had an honorable place in God's kingdom.
Now they have neither authority nor honor and many now serve Satan. Imagine how that must feel.
 
Shekinah said:
Speaking in tongues 🤣
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Best album ever.

Some of the channels I watch on Youtube and a few other places, I mostly do so to gauge what people are thinking, not just by video but also through comments.
I think some of the people who were rah rah rah for Trump are starting to wake up to the long con. Trump is selecting a few decent people but also some very questionable ones as well. People that any informed conservative would steer miles around. Like Dr Oz. Oz has an appearance that always disturbed me and always, I look at the eyes. They tell you everything. Now it is coming out that he fully supported children transitioning and he also happens to know Marina Abramovic, and out in the open satanist.
Obviously I can't state that it means anything but we are known by the company we keep or, birds of a feather for a more commonly known phrase.
This is starting to look like a hellish soap opera come to life.
 
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