Trump's imminent arrest next week.

goldie

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More like current events. We discuss developments that may impact everyone regardless of their politics. It doesn't necessarily mean we are political although everyone has a particular leaning.
And the "leanings" are very obvious! Lol. It's very hard to bring up a subject on current events dealing with politics and not voice a political opinion. It just comes out. I'm guilty of this myself.
 

Soul Sage

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Here is the truth. I am NOT neutral! Regardless of factions in politics, what really matters is right vs wrong with the bible being the guide for that, not tribalism like politics. And the truth is that the left are more deranged, more atheist, have more mental/emotional disorders and less likely to take criticism. Now, some eventually realize how deceived they were and make changes and are willing to take in information. And for those that left the truth, in my experiences, they usually were biased to leftist causes because they seeked higher education at a college and were later indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Most prestigious colleges and universities are reeducation camps and it's why the watchtower is true in saying that there is that danger of seeking higher education. Nothing wrong in learning new things and skills but when you surround yourself in that environment you eventually succumb to leftist indoctrination. A surprising poll was released that about 90% of teachers and professors lean left. And for those peers of mine that seeked higher education, money became such an influence on their life and another became a transgender.
I don't really agree with tribalistic politics but what is considered right and wrong. Mean tweets from Donald Trump is nothing in comparison to starting war and promoting death in going to war along with the lies they pushed with the pandemic to give them more power and this economic disaster is a result in that.
 

Melinda

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I'll tell who's to say he's not part of another clan of the "Deep State" the entire Deep State! Not one of these people of these deeply entrenched maniacal Satan worshipers wants anything to do with him! Again, they would use anything they had against him to control him. As far as I am concerned it's open and shut!

But regardless, he's not working to establish God's Kingdom, but neither is he working to establish the Kingdom of the 8th King! This is the natural development of the world run by Satan. Some people who want to rule, honestly, want to do it for the right reasons. But it's still wrong, because man cannot rule himself!
I think Trump is a modern day Jehu we know that Jehovah used Jehu to kill Jezebel because Jezebel was a deranged murderer and an immoral prostitute ....kinda like the left liberal democrats who are always pushing for abortion rights, etc.. Jehu despised Jezebels immoral practices and Jehu destroyed baal worship but he did not destroy the golden calf.
 

Watchman

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Here is the truth. I am NOT neutral! Regardless of factions in politics, what really matters is right vs wrong with the bible being the guide for that, not tribalism like politics. And the truth is that the left are more deranged, more atheist, have more mental/emotional disorders and less likely to take criticism. Now, some eventually realize how deceived they were and make changes and are willing to take in information. And for those that left the truth, in my experiences, they usually were biased to leftist causes because they seeked higher education at a college and were later indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Most prestigious colleges and universities are reeducation camps and it's why the watchtower is true in saying that there is that danger of seeking higher education. Nothing wrong in learning new things and skills but when you surround yourself in that environment you eventually succumb to leftist indoctrination. A surprising poll was released that about 90% of teachers and professors lean left. And for those peers of mine that seeked higher education, money became such an influence on their life and another became a transgender.
I don't really agree with tribalistic politics but what is considered right and wrong. Mean tweets from Donald Trump is nothing in comparison to starting war and promoting death in going to war along with the lies they pushed with the pandemic to give them more power and this economic disaster is a result in that.
You would think that JWs would be more conservatively inclined. That doesn't seem to be the case though, probably from media indoctrination, which is overwhelmingly leftwing. In any case, left-right makes no difference. I am sure none of us wish to prolong this wicked system. Let them fight it out. After all, it is a dog-eat-dog world.
 

Soul Sage

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I emphasized that I'm not neutral to right vs wrong when politics is discussed as Jehovah's Witnesses are trained to say they are neutral and don't take sides. When the discussion of politics came up with Witnesses, saying you are neutral was such a cope out thing to say. Abortion is not something I consider myself neutral on for example and that is a heated political issue. I'm very much against abortion despite it being a political issue. To say I have no opinion on it because I want to remain neutral is lying to yourself, you know it's bad, the bible knows it's bad and thus God knows it's bad but yet a blue haired feminist with nose rings and a neck tattoo says that I'm wrong. Why not show conviction and say you're very much against abortion to her face instead of cower from social pressure and sheepishly say I'm neutral. Jesus Christ took a stance even though the pharisees made it political. So why not imitate Jesus and stand up against the social pressure?
 

Jahrule

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I emphasized that I'm not neutral to right vs wrong when politics is discussed as Jehovah's Witnesses are trained to say they are neutral and don't take sides. When the discussion of politics came up with Witnesses, saying you are neutral was such a cope out thing to say. Abortion is not something I consider myself neutral on for example and that is a heated political issue. I'm very much against abortion despite it being a political issue. To say I have no opinion on it because I want to remain neutral is lying to yourself, you know it's bad, the bible knows it's bad and thus God knows it's bad but yet a blue haired feminist with nose rings and a neck tattoo says that I'm wrong. Why not show conviction and say you're very much against abortion to her face instead of cower from social pressure and sheepishly say I'm neutral. Jesus Christ took a stance even though the pharisees made it political. So why not imitate Jesus and stand up against the social pressure?
Eventually we will all have to take a stand. For now I choose not to get involved with political debates. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions. It just means I largely see politics as wasted effort. Like trying to fight an aircraft carrier with a Cesar salad. It's just a waste of resources, and now you have nothing for lunch.
 

Soul Sage

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Eventually we will all have to take a stand. For now I choose not to get involved with political debates. That doesn't mean we can't have opinions. It just means I largely see politics as wasted effort. Like trying to fight an aircraft carrier with a Cesar salad. It's just a waste of resources, and now you have nothing for lunch.
I agree it's a wasted effort. Can't fight against prophecy. Things are lining up for bible prophecy to be fulfilled.
 

Jahrule

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I agree it's a wasted effort. Can't fight against prophecy. Things are lining up for bible prophecy to be fulfilled.
Nevertheless, you do make a good point. I often wonder if I don't push back enough. I know if I were to say what I felt every day I'd probably lose my job. Jesus was definitely a fierce fighter. Still though, even he chose his battles wisely. I just hope to have his courage when the line is finally crossed. I'm not sure under what circumstances that'll occur but I'm confident I'll recognize it when I see it.
 

SusanB

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I'm not going to detail everything these lying wicked people have done and are doing, but I will add this example for a couple of reasons. I imagine you know about Obama's birth certificate controversy. Finally in his second term I believe it was, he released his "birth certificate." My wife has a degree in graphic design. So among the alternative media, it was immediately reveled that it was a forgery. It had been released on the Whitehouse.gov website, so I downloaded it. I put it into "photoshop" and when you create a document in Photoshop you have something called "layers". You can start for example with the background you want, then you add in things like photos, or graphics you can pull things like signatures from one document to the next, You can ad shading etc. each time you do that it creates a new layer. Obama's "birth certificate had something like 40 layers. There were even some signatures that were two layers, were they combine two words to make one word. It was crazy. Now the craziest thing about this is when you're done making a document like that there's a feature in photoshop called "flattening, which merges all the layers and makes it so the is only one layer. IT'S LITERALLY SOMETHING YOU HIT, AND THEN SAVE IT, AND IT'S DONE, NO MORE LAYERS. BUT THEY RELEASED IT LIKE THAT WITH THE LAYERS.
I really don’t like to jump into a discussion on politics and yet some things you just cannot unsee. I used to think all the hoopla about the birth certificate was just racism. In fact, the hospital where Obama supposedly was born is in Honolulu and on the common route between the airport and Waikiki. As I drove past I would tell the tourists that is where President Barack Obama was born. And, then, I saw the video presentation on his birth certificate. It’s really undeniable. They even know the person named in the other legitimate birth certificate that they used to cut and paste from. So, I don’t point out that hospital landmark any more.

I am amazed at how the world has been very successful in promoting outright lies. But as Robert King has commented, just wait until they unleash the full force of their wickedness against the Watchtower Org. No doubt it will be truth mixed with lies, which is what they are experts in. And, people will be just as divided and inflamed as they are about politics. Only instead of wanting brothers and sisters jailed they will want them executed.
 
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SusanB

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Nevertheless, you do make a good point. I often wonder if I don't push back enough. I know if I were to say what I felt every day I'd probably lose my job. Jesus was definitely a fierce fighter. Still though, even he chose his battles wisely. I just hope to have his courage when the line is finally crossed. I'm not sure under what circumstances that'll occur but I'm confident I'll recognize it when I see it.
Just remember there were times when Jesus was silent and so we must all be courageous but also cautious.
 

Nomex

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And, then, I saw the video presentation on his birth certificate.
It's even more convincing when you own the programs used to make this forgery. There's a difference between knowing something, and believing something. I know Obama's "birth certificate" is fake...BTW, I still have it! And like I said, it was like they left all the layers on purpose just to mock people who knew as if to give everyone the middle figure and say, "there's nothing you can do about it." The other thing that could have happened is the person who made it, left the layers as a "whistle blower" but the reason I am not inclined to think that is because it would be impossible for that person to remain anonymous.

As far as why they kept it secret, I think the most likely scenario however was not the Obama was born in Kenya but that his real father was actually, Frank Marshal Davis, a well know communist and the ties his mother had to the CIA. Obama was a real CIA cut out!

 

SusanB

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It's even more convincing when you own the programs used to make this forgery. There's a difference between knowing something, and believing something. I know Obama's "birth certificate" is fake...BTW, I still have it! And like I said, it was like they left all the layers on purpose just to mock people who knew as if to give everyone the middle figure and say, "there's nothing you can do about it." The other thing that could have happened is the person who made it, left the layers as a "whistle blower" but the reason I am not inclined to think that is because it would be impossible for that person to remain anonymous.

As far as why they kept it secret, I think the most likely scenario however was not the Obama was born in Kenya but that his real father was actually, Frank Marshal Davis, a well know communist and the ties his mother had to the CIA. Obama was a real CIA cut out!

I have heard before that Frank Marshal Davis was his father, but I can’t believe that because his half brother looks EXACTLY like him and they only share the same father.
 

Cristo

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And you have got to be kidding! Just who is it that you think you are? Eyes & Ears can say whatever she pleases just as you can. I’ve seen your cruel, mean comments on other occasions and let it pass. Not this time - she has now left the forum. Gee I wonder why. Take a look at what you wrote, you self righteous creep. Oh God save us from “worldly people “ Ok Watchtower

I'm curious as to which cruel, and mean comments in the past you are referring to Jennifer. Can you point them out to me please. To be honest, normally I wouldn't pursue such a remark, but your reaction and ensuing accusation leave me wondering what it was I've said in the past that was so vitriolic to warrant such an emotional reaction from you, that you just couldn't let it pass this time.

Regarding Eyes and Ears comment...I said nothing that was not true.
I'm sorry but you sound like a political leftist, with an agenda, on a non political website. That won't go very far here. Maybe you just testing the waters, but in this environment your comments seem extremely worldly.
There was no attack here, merely an observation of the way her two cent rant(her own description) came across. I don't know E&E, for all I know she could be 30 year old man with nacho cheese in his beard typing away. And honestly, thats fine with me to. I don't care. However when somebody wants to make statements like she did, then she should back them up with facts. If I want to hear about Trumpie and Pukin I'll watch CNN.
 
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