He certainly is a lamp in a dark place.
Que bueno es ver la auto proclamación como canal divino dentro de la organización y ver cumplirse profecías y poder identificarlo en el orden correcto de sucesos. En la siguiente fase estos hombres tendrán que ir directamente en contra del pacto. Los veo en los últimos días como a los fariseos, rabiosos contra los dos testigos durante el testimonio de los 1260 días y en contra de la manifestación de Jesús. Así hará el papel de Judas. Todo está escrito y que bueno y bendecidos somos de poder contemplarlo.
Also, they announced at the meeting last night that they're doing away with the JW Language App, due to there being plenty of other tools available on the internet, including Artificial Intelligence.. shocking.. it really is.. it's like they no longer care about protecting Jehovah's word
"On one hand, the Society says we're not to trust 'mere men'... and on the other hand, they're saying to trust 'mere men' acting as Jehovah's 'human representatives.'The two statements are just sooooo ... duplicitous.
One the one hand, the Society is saying we're not to trust "mere men" ... and on the other hand, they are saying to trust "mere men" acting as Jehovah's "human representatives."
I suppose they might have in mind Hebrews 13:17 ["Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account" —Berean Standard Bible] but that isn't the whole story here, because there is also Romans 13:1 ["Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."—Berean Standard Bible]
First, the obvious: there is nothing about trust in either of these passages. And that's probably because of the counsel given at Psalm 146:3, which explicitly says we are not to place our trust in a son of man [mere men].
Obedience...? Submission...? Sure, up to a point (Acts 5:29).
Trust, though??
Besides, there's that annoying itty-bitty detail that if the Society is going to assert the whole "includes trusting his human representatives" then that would also include the "governing authorities" that rule over us as believers, surely, since they, too, are Jehovah's "human representatives"! (Cf. Romans 13:2-6)
Just thinking out loud here.
—Timothy,
a believer.
I bet WT loves "lean not on your own understanding." That way, they can make the congregation feel like they need the governing body. They could even say that scripture refers to leaning on their/governing body's understanding. Trust the governing body's guidance, even if it doesn't make sense to you."On one hand, the Society says we're not to trust 'mere men'... and on the other hand, they're saying to trust 'mere men' acting as Jehovah's 'human representatives.'
This is exactly what stood out to me – the contradiction. The more WT prints, the less sense they make.
Exactly! They've now positioned themselves as mediators between God and man for the 9 million witnesses who will obediently follow their strange and unusual direction. Very sad and scary.
Excellent reasoning!!The two statements are just sooooo ... duplicitous.
One the one hand, the Society is saying we're not to trust "mere men" ... and on the other hand, they are saying to trust "mere men" acting as Jehovah's "human representatives."
I suppose they might have in mind Hebrews 13:17 ["Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account" —Berean Standard Bible] but that isn't the whole story here, because there is also Romans 13:1 ["Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."—Berean Standard Bible]
First, the obvious: there is nothing about trust in either of these passages. And that's probably because of the counsel given at Psalm 146:3, which explicitly says we are not to place our trust in a son of man [mere men].
Obedience...? Submission...? Sure, up to a point (Acts 5:29).
Trust, though??
Besides, there's that annoying itty-bitty detail that if the Society is going to assert the whole "includes trusting his human representatives" then that would also include the "governing authorities" that rule over us as believers, surely, since they, too, are Jehovah's "human representatives"! (Cf. Romans 13:2-6)
Just thinking out loud here.
—Timothy,
a believer.
I think you are exactly right in your division of meaning. It ties in with giving to Caesar that which is his, but to God, things that belong to Him. And those things would be our trust, faith and worship.The two statements are just sooooo ... duplicitous.
One the one hand, the Society is saying we're not to trust "mere men" ... and on the other hand, they are saying to trust "mere men" acting as Jehovah's "human representatives."
I suppose they might have in mind Hebrews 13:17 ["Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account" —Berean Standard Bible] but that isn't the whole story here, because there is also Romans 13:1 ["Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."—Berean Standard Bible]
First, the obvious: there is nothing about trust in either of these passages. And that's probably because of the counsel given at Psalm 146:3, which explicitly says we are not to place our trust in a son of man [mere men].
Obedience...? Submission...? Sure, up to a point (Acts 5:29).
Trust, though??
Besides, there's that annoying itty-bitty detail that if the Society is going to assert the whole "includes trusting his human representatives" then that would also include the "governing authorities" that rule over us as believers, surely, since they, too, are Jehovah's "human representatives"! (Cf. Romans 13:2-6)
Just thinking out loud here.
—Timothy,
a believer.
It would be easy if Jehovah’s principles were black and white but the truth is there are shades of gray. And, the Watchtower uses that to twist the scriptures. I agree that we should be obedient to those taking the lead, as long as they stick to the scriptures. But if a person or group refuses to be corrected by the same scriptures that they themselves promote, then they have chosen to imitate the Pharisees. What did Jesus say about them? The Pharisees were bonafide religious leaders in the true religion. There is no doubt about it. But Jesus said to do as they say and not as they do. So, when they “say” two opposing things, like don’t trust humans but you can have blind trust in us because we are faithful and discreet, that would be a good reason to not trust them. And, we cannot negate Jesus own words at Revelation 2:2: “I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars. You are also showing endurance, and you have persevered for the sake of my name and have not grown weary.”The two statements are just sooooo ... duplicitous.
One the one hand, the Society is saying we're not to trust "mere men" ... and on the other hand, they are saying to trust "mere men" acting as Jehovah's "human representatives."
I suppose they might have in mind Hebrews 13:17 ["Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account" —Berean Standard Bible] but that isn't the whole story here, because there is also Romans 13:1 ["Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."—Berean Standard Bible]
First, the obvious: there is nothing about trust in either of these passages. And that's probably because of the counsel given at Psalm 146:3, which explicitly says we are not to place our trust in a son of man [mere men].
Obedience...? Submission...? Sure, up to a point (Acts 5:29).
Trust, though??
Besides, there's that annoying itty-bitty detail that if the Society is going to assert the whole "includes trusting his human representatives" then that would also include the "governing authorities" that rule over us as believers, surely, since they, too, are Jehovah's "human representatives"! (Cf. Romans 13:2-6)
Just thinking out loud here.
—Timothy,
a believer.
Thanks for posting that Proverbs, our chairman has a strong accent and listening in via phone is rough. All I could figure out was that the language app was no longer gonna be available and then something... something... AI.Also, they announced at the meeting last night that they're doing away with the JW Language App, due to there being plenty of other tools available on the internet, including Artificial Intelligence.. shocking.. it really is.. it's like they no longer care about protecting Jehovah's word
I had exactly the same thought. But the problem is, despite what they say, they don’t consider themselves as “ mere men” do they. All the “we are not infallible” or the “ it would be presumptuous to say that we are Gods sole channel on Earth” talk is just a smokescreen. They have to believe that they are special or they could not come out with garbage like the “overlapping generation “ teaching and expect it to be accepted without question. Actions speak louder than words. Maybe like the “superfine apostles” in Paul’s day they can’t see the wood for trees.To see who actually is behind the elevation of themselves above others and the justifications they give for trusting them implicitly. One day, unless they refuse to acknowledge their stand as being wrong, they will be trussed and thrown outside gnashing their teeth.The two statements are just sooooo ... duplicitous.
One the one hand, the Society is saying we're not to trust "mere men" ... and on the other hand, they are saying to trust "mere men" acting as Jehovah's "human representatives."
I suppose they might have in mind Hebrews 13:17 ["Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account" —Berean Standard Bible] but that isn't the whole story here, because there is also Romans 13:1 ["Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God."—Berean Standard Bible]
First, the obvious: there is nothing about trust in either of these passages. And that's probably because of the counsel given at Psalm 146:3, which explicitly says we are not to place our trust in a son of man [mere men].
Obedience...? Submission...? Sure, up to a point (Acts 5:29).
Trust, though??
Besides, there's that annoying itty-bitty detail that if the Society is going to assert the whole "includes trusting his human representatives" then that would also include the "governing authorities" that rule over us as believers, surely, since they, too, are Jehovah's "human representatives"! (Cf. Romans 13:2-6)
Just thinking out loud here.
—Timothy,
a believer.
Strange and Unusual sounds to me like Wild and Crazy.
This direction is crystal clear from Psalm 146:3 “Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.”
The WT presuming they are our leaders? I think not. In so many ways they go against what Jesus says: Matthew 23:10 “Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.” Christ is our leader. Do they copy Jesus’s example?
I probably did not explain my thoughts properly.
No I do not mean that the watchtower feel that they are our leaders but assume so for those within watchtower. Generally, I think that most of us here are independent of watchtower and look to Christ as their example.
An interesting comparison with angels. It shows the equality of life as a gift, rather than its form.
They are indeed
