Tuesday, April 2 2024 Should brothers continue to reach out?

PJ54

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Tuesday, April 2 2024​

There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.—Acts 20:35.

When we are facing a difficult situation in our personal life, we appreciate it when a caring elder takes the time to listen to us and provide us comfort. When we need help with a Bible study, we are pleased when an experienced pioneer agrees to sit in on the study and offers suggestions. All these brothers and sisters are happy to help us. We can share that joy if we make ourselves available to serve our brothers. If you want to expand your service in these or similar ways, what will help you to reach your goals? Beware of setting a goal that is too general. For example, you may think, ‘I would like to do more in the congregation.’ But it may be difficult to know how to achieve such a goal, and you may find it impossible to know when you have achieved it. So choose a clear, specific goal. You might even write down the goal and how you plan to reach it. w22.04 25 ¶12-13
Examining the Scriptures Daily—2024

Originally published the week of October 20th, 2002.
Should brothers continue to try to "reach out" in the congregation and become elders and above? What advice would you have for brothers already in those positions who want to assist those in the congregation, yet not publicly go directly against the society's teachings and thus get themselves removed from positions where they can legitimately help others?
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We definitely need brothers who understand what the issues are that many of the friends are trying to deal with. Many of Jehovah's Witnesses are struggling with doubts and troubled by some of the things going on in the organization and the problem is that they feel that they cannot confide in the elders without running the risk of being labeled as 'weak' or 'apostate.' Having shepherds in a congregation that have insight into some of the things troubling Jehovah's sheep can help them not to be judgmental and condemnatory, so that that might be a real source of strength for those of us who have disquieting thoughts.

While, any brothers reaching out for the privilege of serving as an overseer of Jehovah's people are aware that the Scriptures say that overseers will receive a heavier judgment, it is an act of faith. Receiving a heavier judgment doesn't necessarily mean being rejected by God. It just means that elders are more accountable before Jehovah. Paul wrote Timothy and said: "For the men who minister in a fine manner are acquiring for themselves a fine standing and great freeness of speech in the faith in connection with Jesus Christ."

The Governing Body and responsible brothers at Bethel ultimately have the greatest level of accountability before God and Christ. On a local level there is nothing that can be done to effect any sort of change in the established teachings and policies. Since that is the case, Jehovah would not hold local elders responsible for teaching something that proves to be in error. However, for conscience sake, if an elder is not comfortable dogmatically teaching certain things from the platform, he can usually de-emphasize those things, which actually might be doing the congregation a service.

At some point the organization is going to be thrown into the maelstrom of confusion. That's when the real shepherds will need to use their freeness of speech to try and hold their congregations together. We often refer to Isaiah about elders being a hiding place from the windstorm, I submit to you, that the wind has not begun to blow yet. But, when the tempest begins, we are going to need men who have the courage and conviction to stand up for the truth. So, by all means, earn the brother's trust and respect now, and be there for them when they need you, now, and during the time of trouble.

Posted 17th September 2010 by Unknown
 

MickHewitt

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Originally published the week of October 20th, 2002.
Should brothers continue to try to "reach out" in the congregation and become elders and above? What advice would you have for brothers already in those positions who want to assist those in the congregation, yet not publicly go directly against the society's teachings and thus get themselves removed from positions where they can legitimately help others?
____________________________________________

We definitely need brothers who understand what the issues are that many of the friends are trying to deal with. Many of Jehovah's Witnesses are struggling with doubts and troubled by some of the things going on in the organization and the problem is that they feel that they cannot confide in the elders without running the risk of being labeled as 'weak' or 'apostate.' Having shepherds in a congregation that have insight into some of the things troubling Jehovah's sheep can help them not to be judgmental and condemnatory, so that that might be a real source of strength for those of us who have disquieting thoughts.

While, any brothers reaching out for the privilege of serving as an overseer of Jehovah's people are aware that the Scriptures say that overseers will receive a heavier judgment, it is an act of faith. Receiving a heavier judgment doesn't necessarily mean being rejected by God. It just means that elders are more accountable before Jehovah. Paul wrote Timothy and said: "For the men who minister in a fine manner are acquiring for themselves a fine standing and great freeness of speech in the faith in connection with Jesus Christ."

The Governing Body and responsible brothers at Bethel ultimately have the greatest level of accountability before God and Christ. On a local level there is nothing that can be done to effect any sort of change in the established teachings and policies. Since that is the case, Jehovah would not hold local elders responsible for teaching something that proves to be in error. However, for conscience sake, if an elder is not comfortable dogmatically teaching certain things from the platform, he can usually de-emphasize those things, which actually might be doing the congregation a service.

At some point the organization is going to be thrown into the maelstrom of confusion. That's when the real shepherds will need to use their freeness of speech to try and hold their congregations together. We often refer to Isaiah about elders being a hiding place from the windstorm, I submit to you, that the wind has not begun to blow yet. But, when the tempest begins, we are going to need men who have the courage and conviction to stand up for the truth. So, by all means, earn the brother's trust and respect now, and be there for them when they need you, now, and during the time of trouble.

Posted 17th September 2010 by Unknown
It was about the year of 2000 that my congregation lost almost two thirds of it's congregants; why? There were so many well qualified spiritual brothers who were so long overlooked that they upped, went and left to other congregations, leaving the existing elders having to do everything from the sound to microphones, literature etc. The elders had hugged everything so ended up with everything...chuckle.
 

PJ54

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It was about the year of 2000 that my congregation lost almost two thirds of it's congregants; why? There were so many well qualified spiritual brothers who were so long overlooked that they upped, went and left to other congregations, leaving the existing elders having to do everything from the sound to microphones, literature etc. The elders had hugged everything so ended up with everything...chuckle.
It's like the saying: "Be careful what you wish for."
 

kirmmy

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I have a question. What about if someone wants to get baptized and that person does not accept 1914? Or even to be an unbaptized publisher? What can he say when he is asked the questions?
Run?

Seriously, I don't think you can be a JW without believing that piece of horse excrement. They will never let you get baptized because they'd just have to instantly disfellowship you for being "apostate"*.

*They really mean heretical but don't have the brain power or Holy Spirit to discern that.
 

Ana

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Run?

Seriously, I don't think you can be a JW without believing that piece of horse excrement. They will never let you get baptized because they'd just have to instantly disfellowship you for being "apostate"*.

*They really mean heretical but don't have the brain power or Holy Spirit to discern that.
A mi marido el anciano que le daba el estudio le dijo hace un par de años que era mejor dejar de darle es estudio bíblico porque no aceptaba al cuerpo gobernante como canal divino. Si no obedeces no tiene sentido que sigas estudiando la Biblia. La obediencia es fundamental. Y dejó de venir por casa. Ahora no le saluda cuando leve por la calle.🤦🏻
 

evw

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A mi marido el anciano que le daba el estudio le dijo hace un par de años que era mejor dejar de darle es estudio bíblico porque no aceptaba al cuerpo gobernante como canal divino. Si no obedeces no tiene sentido que sigas estudiando la Biblia. La obediencia es fundamental. Y dejó de venir por casa. Ahora no le saluda cuando leve por la calle.🤦🏻
With Google translate: Me dijeron que esta semana, que Jehová prefiere la obediencia al sacrificio.

I was told that this week, that Jehovah prefers obedience to sacrifice
 

Carl

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I have a question. What about if someone wants to get baptized and that person does not accept 1914? Or even to be an unbaptized publisher? What can he say when he is asked the questions?

We're not supposed to lie, because Satan is the father of the lie. Starting your JW life already leading a double life is not the way to go. Knowledge of the 1914 lie causes a major problem for any JW who's conducting a BS. If they teach the lie as truth, with the plan of getting the BS baptized, then informing them of the real truth, what does that say about their character? The BS will wonder what else they lied about. The BS could also turn them in for apostasy. If they tell the truth, then the BS will have to lie in order to qualify for baptism. See the problem? If they just remain a BS and never advance to unbaptized, then baptized publisher, eventually they'll become marked and soft shunned as spiritually weak.

I'm an unbaptized publisher because I realized the truth after becoming one. I would never lie to be part of the team. The thought angers and sickens me. So, I'm caught between 2 worlds, unwelcome in either. That's fine though, Jehovah prepared me my whole life to go it alone. I feel bad for people who need to be part of a group. The herd mentality is why the world is in the mess it's in. I'm not special for being able to go it alone, I'm just thankful for a lifetime of training that's prepared me to do so.
 

KingdomLeast

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Now they're appointing kids still in spiritual diapers. When the scriptures are clear "not a novice". (1 Tim 3)

Can you imagine a sister having to give a detailed account of her sexual sins to a 20 year old who hasn't even gotten his willy wet?

Embarrassing to say the least.
 

LuisMerino9412

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We're not supposed to lie, because Satan is the father of the lie. Starting your JW life already leading a double life is not the way to go. Knowledge of the 1914 lie causes a major problem for any JW who's conducting a BS. If they teach the lie as truth, with the plan of getting the BS baptized, then informing them of the real truth, what does that say about their character? The BS will wonder what else they lied about. The BS could also turn them in for apostasy. If they tell the truth, then the BS will have to lie in order to qualify for baptism. See the problem? If they just remain a BS and never advance to unbaptized, then baptized publisher, eventually they'll become marked and soft shunned as spiritually weak.

I'm an unbaptized publisher because I realized the truth after becoming one. I would never lie to be part of the team. The thought angers and sickens me. So, I'm caught between 2 worlds, unwelcome in either. That's fine though, Jehovah prepared me my whole life to go it alone. I feel bad for people who need to be part of a group. The herd mentality is why the world is in the mess it's in. I'm not special for being able to go it alone, I'm just thankful for a lifetime of training that's prepared me to do so.
That's exactly what I thought. Sorry. Haha :(
 
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