Tuesday, June 18 2024 Who is Gog of Magog?

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Tuesday, June 18 2024​

I am God. I will be exalted among the nations.—Ps. 46:10.

We can be confident that Jehovah will rescue his loyal servants during the coming “great tribulation.” (Matt. 24:21; Dan. 12:1) He will do this when a coalition of nations, known as Gog of Magog, makes its vicious, worldwide assault on those who are faithful to Jehovah. Even if that coalition includes all 193 members of the United Nations, it will be no match for the Supreme One and his heavenly forces! Jehovah promises: “I will certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.” (Ezek. 38:14-16, 23) Gog’s assault will trigger Jehovah’s final showdown at Armageddon when He destroys “the kings of the entire inhabited earth.” (Rev. 16:14, 16; 19:19-21) In contrast, “only the upright will reside in the earth, and the one who keeps integrity will remain in it.”—Prov. 2:21, ftn. w22.10 16-17 ¶16-17
Examining the Scriptures Daily—2024
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QUESTION: I’m confused as to who Gog is. Is it Satan? Or something influenced by Satan?
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ANSWER: Your confusion is understandable. For years the Watchtower taught that Gog was a reference to Satan after his ouster from heaven in 1914. But as of the 2014 Annual Meeting Gog is now said to represent the last kingdom.

The reason for the change is because Ezekiel 38:15 and 39:2 reveal that Gog will descend upon “Israel” from out of “the remotest parts of the north.” So, rightly, the connection is made with the king of the north. (By the way, this connection was pointed out to the Governing Body years ago, back around 1998, before even I went online with e-Watchman.)

Also, because Gog is said to become food for the birds of heaven and the wild beasts of the earth, as well as given a burial place in “Israel,” for that reason it is reasoned that Gog cannot symbolize a spirit creature, but a human chieftain.

The new understanding is a rather trivial point though. While all kingdoms of man have been under Satan’s authority, the 8th and last kingdom is so especially. And why is that the case?

Because prior to the coming to power of the last kingdom God has throughout history overridden the Devil’s domain if it suited his purpose to use such agencies to benefit his people.

For example, during the days of the first empire of biblical reckoning, God caused the pharaoh of Egypt to favor Joseph and his family. Also, certain Jews, such as Daniel, were favored by the king of Babylon. Also, successive kings of Persia were great benefactors of the Jews. It is revealed in the book of Daniel that behind the veil of invisibility Jehovah’s angel stood up as a strengthener to the king of Persia, in opposition to the demonic prince.

And even the Greeks and Romans gave the Jews a considerable amount of autonomy.

And going back to King James relenting and authorizing the mass production of Bibles in English, up to the present time, it is evident that the Anglo-American duo have provided an environment that has fostered and protected the spread of Christianity and ultimately the work of of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

But aside from initially using Satan’s earthly powers as his military force and punishing agent, particularly when the time comes to dispose of the harlot of Babylon, when the Kingdom of Christ has gathered all of those chosen, then God will no longer use earthly kingdoms to accomplish his work. It is at that point that the lamblike beast will begin to speak as a dragon. In other words, Satan will exert all his authority through his earthly human agency for the purpose of attempting to crush the sons of the Kingdom.

Consider that in connection with the last kingdom of man numerous prophecies mention “his god” – his god, of course, being Satan, the Devil.

For example, in regards to the king of the north Daniel wrote: “The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone. But instead he will give glory to the god of fortresses; to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and silver and precious stones and desirable things. He will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. He will give great glory to those who give him recognition, and he will make them rule among many; and the ground he will apportion out for a price.”

In explanation, individual rulers of the previously mentioned world powers willingly acknowledged Jehovah’s supremacy. We could add Nebuchadnezzar to that list, along with the Persian king, Ahasuerus. And in the Christian era the realm of the king of the north has claimed to be Christian. But note, that, at some point the king of the north will no longer honor the God of his forefathers, but will promote a foreign god and speak astonishing blasphemies against the God of gods.

Consider, too, what Habakkuk wrote concerning the “Chaldean” during the appointed time of the vision, when the last king plunders many nations. Habakkuk 1:11 reads: “Then they move forward like the wind and pass through, But they will become guilty, because they credit their power to their god.”

In Revelation Satan is pictured as a seven-headed dragon and his authority is projected on earth by a seven-headed wild beast, which demands that all persons on earth worship it and the dragon who gives it authority. So, in that respect there is no distinction between the Devil and the beast he empowers to do his work.

Gog represents this same thing; namely, Satan’s authority on earth during the final part of the days. He will be in total opposition to the Kingdom of Christ at that time, because the Kingdom will be expressed on the earth then by the sealed sons of the Kingdom and Jesus himself will walk among them.

But, having considered all the foregoing, the slaughter of Gog and all his bands will also be a humiliating defeat for Satan and his demons. And since the end of Gog will also spell the end of Satan’s influence and authority on earth it is as though the Devil himself is slaughtered – crushed under the feet of the seed of God’s woman.

‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I am against you, Gog, head chieftain of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around and lead you and make you come up from the remotest parts of the north and bring you in upon the mountains of Israel. I will knock your bow out of your left hand and make your arrows fall from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the peoples who will be with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of birds of prey and the wild beasts of the field.”’
 
The Watchtower has a lot going on during the great tribulation, which is supposed to begin when the UN destroys false religion. If that were true, though, why would God need to "rescue" his people? Indeed, if the tribulation were merely the eradication of organized religion, why would God be compelled to intervene to save mankind from extinction? Since the tribulation poses an existential threat to the entire world, it cannot be what the Watchtower says it is.

Since it is common knowledge that a full-scale nuclear war would result in the extinction of virtually all life on earth why is it regarded as unthinkable that the maddened demons would try to destroy the earth to thwart Jehovah's purpose? Jesus once calmed a storm on the Sea of Galilee. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lack the faith to perceive that the coming nuclear firestorm will be cut short by direct divine intervention?

During the exodus from Egypt, Jehovah led the Israelites into what looked like a trap. It was, but not for the Israelites. Jehovah lured Pharoah and his entire army into a deadly trap. As the war chariots bore down on the encampment, God was inside a pillar of fire, looking out at the Egyptians. He caused a wind to blow and separate the sea, and Moses led them into the dry seabed. Meanwhile, the angels were taking the wheels off Pharoah's chariots to slow them down. Why do you doubt that Jehovah's angels can defuse intercontinental ballistic missiles in midflight? Are hypersonic missiles too fast for an angel? No way. I would imagine angels can move faster than the speed of light.

Should we not expect Jehovah to make a grand entrance onto the world's stage at the most critical moment in history? We should expect nothing less from the true God. If it becomes apparent that Almighty God intervened to cut short a nuclear holocaust, all the world would be obligated to acknowledge Jehovah as God and Savior. Isn't that what the Psalm is saying?

The nations were in an uproar, the kingdoms were overthrown;
He raised his voice, and the earth melted.
Jehovah of armies is with us;
The God of Jacob is our secure refuge.
Come and witness the activities of Jehovah,
How he has done astonishing things on the earth.
He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth.
He breaks the bow and shatters the spear;
He burns the military wagons with fire.
“Give in and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations;
I will be exalted in the earth.”
Jehovah of armies is with us;

The God of Jacob is a secure refuge for us.
 
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But aside from initially using Satan’s earthly powers as his military force and punishing agent, particularly when the time comes to dispose of the harlot of Babylon, when the Kingdom of Christ has gathered all of those chosen, then God will no longer use earthly kingdoms to accomplish his work. It is at that point that the lamblike beast will begin to speak as a dragon. In other words, Satan will exert all his authority through his earthly human agency for the purpose of attempting to crush the sons of the Kingdom.
There seems to be some confusion as to when the sealing takes place... I know I'm confused. Does it occur at the very beginning of the HOT, or sometime during? The Bible seems to imply that the sealing takes place in stages, during the HOT; and once sealed, Jesus then comes alongside his chosen ones. When I read what's quoted from the article, what I take away is that Satan tries to deceive the anointed into following him early on in the HOT, but he eventually shows his true colors once they're all sealed, and he knows he's lost. Am I missing something?

Luke 12:35-40 “Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on coming finds watching! Truly I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he comes in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them ready, happy are they! But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.”
 
The seventh chapter of Revelation describes the sealing as the final event before the last seal, the seventh seal, is opened. All that happens after the seventh seal is related to God's judgments during the hour of test.
 
The seventh chapter of Revelation describes the sealing as the final event before the last seal, the seventh seal, is opened. All that happens after the seventh seal is related to God's judgments during the hour of test.
When does Jesus become visible to the anointed... before or after they're sealed?
 
I would think it would coincide
What I'm confused about is when does Jesus appear to the anointed in relation to their being judged. Does Jesus come alongside and minister to the anointed before or after they're sealed? I would think after, but I don't know. What actions are they being judged on... their behavior now, during the opening of the seals or during the HOT? Just as the MOTB seems to be the ultimate test for the CG, it would seem to me that the anointed are judged based on their accepting or rejecting Jesus during the start of the HOT, after Satan is allowed to try and trick them?

For example... let's say there are 21,000 invited at the start of the HOT. Satan is allowed to test them before they're either chosen or rejected, then once approved, he will continue to try and turn at least 1 of them. Does Jesus appear and minister to them while they still have a chance to go either way... or only after? The wording about being ready for their master's return seems to me to imply Jesus appears and immediately approves or reject them, and then ministers to the newly created "2 Witnesses," protecting them from Satan's wrath until the day they're allowed to be killed.

It's my opinion that Satan will use the carrot at first, then after they're sealed... the stick.
 
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There seems to be some confusion as to when the sealing takes place... I know I'm confused. Does it occur at the very beginning of the HOT, or sometime during? The Bible seems to imply that the sealing takes place in stages, during the HOT; and once sealed, Jesus then comes alongside his chosen ones. When I read what's quoted from the article, what I take away is that Satan tries to deceive the anointed into following him early on in the HOT, but he eventually shows his true colors once they're all sealed, and he knows he's lost. Am I missing something?

Luke 12:35-40 “Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on coming finds watching! Truly I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he comes in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them ready, happy are they! But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.”
watch the series that Robert put out> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWVEa4N-ZFEH8Q5ByDGVDRkvxr3dm1C84
 
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Gog of Magog (Part 5)

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The attack of Gog from the land of Magog​

Shortly before the remaining ones of the 144,000 are taken to heaven, Gog will attack God’s people. What reaction does this provoke? On earth, God’s people will appear to be defenseless. They will obey the instructions given in the days of King Jehoshaphat: “You will not need to fight this battle. Take your position, stand still, and see the salvation of Jehovah in your behalf. O Judah and Jerusalem, do not be afraid or be terrified.” In heaven, however, there is a different reaction. Referring to the time when all the anointed are in heaven, Revelation 17:14 tells us this about the enemies of God’s people: “These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.” Together with his 144,000 corulers in heaven, Jesus will come to the rescue of God’s people here on earth. More>https://e-watchman.com/attack-gog-land-magog/
 
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What I'm confused about is when does Jesus appear to the anointed in relation to their being judged. Does Jesus come alongside and minister to the anointed before or after they're sealed? I would think after, but I don't know. What actions are they being judged on... their behavior now, during the opening of the seals or during the HOT? Just as the MOTB seems to be the ultimate test for the CG, it would seem to me that the anointed are judged based on their accepting or rejecting Jesus during the start of the HOT, after Satan is allowed to try and trick them?

For example... let's say there are 21,000 invited at the start of the HOT. Satan is allowed to test them before they're either chosen or rejected, then once approved, he will continue to try and turn at least 1 of them. Does Jesus appear and minister to them while they still have a chance to go either way... or only after? The wording about being ready for their master's return seems to me to imply Jesus appears and immediately approves or reject them, and then ministers to the newly created "2 Witnesses," protecting them from Satan's wrath until the day they're allowed to be killed.

It's my opinion that Satan will use the carrot at first, then after they're sealed... the stick.
Jesus coming alongside certain ones means that they have been sealed. In the 12th chapter of Luke Jesus was speaking to what he called the little flock. And he told them not to fear because their Father approved of giving them the Kingdom. Then Jesus went on to say to his little flock: "Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on coming finds watching! Truly I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them."

Interestingly, Jesus alluded to the Evening Meal when he girded himself as a servant and washed the feet of the apostles. It should be pointed out, though, that when he spoke these words to the disciples the Evening Meal had not been celebrated. Jesus is obviously speaking to the little flock now, who are waiting for the master to return in some fashion. Because Jesus initiated the new covenant during the original Evening meal, his coming alongside the waiting ones in an evening meal setting means that the new covenant is concluded at that point. Those whom Christ stands next to will have been given the promised Kingdom, and along with those who will experience the first resurrection.
 
I would only add, that in the 26th chapter of Matthew when Jesus was passing the cup he also said: "But I say to you: I will by no means drink again any of this product of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in the Kingdom of my Father.”

Drinking the cup in the Kingdom is what Jesus was alluding to when he told the little flock that if they are approved he will have them recline at the table and wait upon them, as he did during the original Evening Meal. The difference is when Christ drinks it anew all of those in the new covenant, including those still in the flesh, will gain entrance into the Kingdom. That is when the chosen will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.
 
Kinda reminds me of what Jesus said about "the days of Noah," so it will be in the days of the Son of man..."men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all."

 
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The Watchtower has a lot going on during the great tribulation, which is supposed to begin when the UN destroys false religion.

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"Why do you doubt that Jehovah's angels can defuse intercontinental ballistic missiles in midflight? Are hypersonic missiles too fast for an angel? No way. I would imagine angels can move faster than the speed of light."

Comment from Paul H: I made a series of depictions of how Angels could stop hyper-sonic missiles in mid air in order to prevent a full blown nuclear holocaust.

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The Watchtower has a lot going on during the great tribulation, which is supposed to begin when the UN destroys false religion.

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"Why do you doubt that Jehovah's angels can defuse intercontinental ballistic missiles in midflight? Are hypersonic missiles too fast for an angel? No way. I would imagine angels can move faster than the speed of light."

Comment from Paul H: I made a series of depictions of how Angels could stop hyper-sonic missiles in mid air in order to prevent a full blown nuclear holocaust.

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Paul mate. You’re on fire 🔥 Loving the muscles and the beards!!! How about a bit of shoulder and chest hair?
 
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