Tuesday, May 19th - Who will be able to stand when he appears?

[Watchman]

God has assigned the respective ones in the congregation.—1 Cor. 12:28.

In the first century, some brothers were appointed as ministerial servants. (1 Tim. 3:8) It seems that they were the ones who performed the “helpful services” that the apostle Paul wrote about. Ministerial servants evidently cared for necessary matters so that the elders could focus on teaching and shepherding. For example, ministerial servants may have helped to make copies of the Scriptures or may have purchased materials needed for copying. Consider some helpful services that ministerial servants perform in your congregation. (1 Pet. 4:10) They may be assigned to care for congregation accounts or territories, to order literature and make it available to the publishers, to operate audio and video equipment, to serve as attendants, or to help maintain the Kingdom Hall. All these services are necessary for the congregation to function properly.—1 Cor. 14:40. w24.10 19 ¶4-5

Paul went on to list the various assignments, writing: "first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services; abilities to direct; different tongues."

It is interesting that Paul did not mention overseers or ministerial servants — only teachers and those who provide "helpful services and those who have "abilities to direct." Obviously, powerful works, gifts of healings, and different tongues were phased out long ago, even as Paul foretold. Does that mean, though, that Christians will never again possess miraculous gifts? No, not at all. You might say God is saving the best for last.

Consider what is revealed in Revelation concerning the two witnesses. It says of them: "If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes out of their mouths and consumes their enemies. If anyone should want to harm them, this is how he must be killed. These have the authority to shut up the sky so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have authority over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every sort of plague as often as they wish."

Elijah called for Jehovah to send fire from heaven to consume his sacrifice and doom the priests of Baal. He also twice called down fire from heaven to consume the 50 men whom the wicked king Ahaziah sent to arrest the prophet. And Elijah also ordered the heavens to withhold rain for 42 months. And of course, Moses turned the Nile into blood and called down plagues upon the Egyptians.

The Watchtower has spun the fantastical tale that the two witnesses came on the scene during the First World War and were symbolically killed and disappeared. But we know that is part of the artfully contrived false story concerning the parousia. In reality, the parousia will be visible, at least to the chosen. In fact, the two witnesses are said to be standing before the Lord of the earth, Jesus Christ.

What does it mean to stand before Christ? Consider what is stated in the 3rd chapter of Malachi concerning the coming of the messenger of the covenant: "But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears?" To this day, the Watchtower absurdly claims that the day of his coming was sometime after 1914 and that Jesus appeared invisibly. Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to question what they are taught. They have no option except to accept these manifold absurdities as if they were God's truth, since to question what the slave class teaches is regarded as apostasy.

But those who experience the manifestation of Christ will be changed. Will they call down fire from heaven and turn water into blood? Probably not. But since those acts are attributable to Moses and Elijah, and both men stood before powerful kings and magic-practicing priests and announced Jehovah's judgments, we may expect those who become kings of God's Kingdom while in the flesh will declare a similar denunciation. Of them, Jesus said: "But before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you, handing you over to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name. It will result in your giving a witness. Therefore, resolve in your hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make your defense, for I will give you words and wisdom that all your opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute." - Luke 21:12-15

Who will be able to stand when he appears?

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[mts]

@Watchman wrote: "Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to question what they are taught. They have no option except to accept these manifold absurdities as if they were God's truth, since to question what the slave class teaches is regarded as apostasy."

This, for me, is unreasonable. Implicitly they are more than inferring they are inspired, therefore, are like Moses and other directly chosen servants, and questioning them is equal to questioning Jah? Are there no counter-arguments to their teachings? Oh yeah, all GB teachings are final, accurate and divinely provided... until there is their new light on the matter. Wait... they are not inspired or infallible, so, how can questioning their teachings be Apostasy? Isn't Satan an Apostate? Consequently, anyone questioning the GB would be a follower of Satan?

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." (Sir Walter Scott)

Perhaps the "deception" was not deliberate from the beginning; however, in our mind, this is no longer true.
There is now a deliberate effort to perpetuate the "lie" because doing otherwise would undoubtedly lead to the collapse of WT. The organization would lose all credibility. Nevertheless, it is very difficult to maintain a "lie".

"To hide a lie, a thousand lies are needed" - illustrates the tremendous burden of maintaining a lie and that is exactly the problem Watchtower now faces. Public scrutiny is at a high level and Watchtower finds themselves "fetching and catching" in an attempt to keep the deception going.

If it wasn't so serious it would be humorous that, according to WT, the following scripture applies only to those searching for answers before they become a JW. For some illogical reason, this scripture apparently doesn't apply after one is baptized.

(1 Thessalonians 5:19-21) . . .Do not put out the fire of the spirit. 20 Do not treat prophesyings with contempt. 21 Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. . .

From article: Bethel's 100 Year Long Kingdom Hoax - How Will It Affect You?
"As regards the “satanic nature” of the Society’s invisible parousia teaching, it is undoubtedly the “operation of error” that Paul foretold God would allow – an operation that Paul specifically warned would proclaim that the presence had begun and the day of Jehovah is here. And of course, the most prominent feature of Jesus’ discussion regarding the sign of his presence is that there would be those falsely proclaiming that “the due time has approached” and many false prophets, and others saying ‘the Christ is here,’ ‘the Christ is there.’ Jesus warned that the deception would be so convincing that if it were possible it would even deceive the chosen ones."

 

[SusanB]

We need Jehovah’s help and will continue to need his help in the future. Without his assistance, we don’t have a chance. The first step in gaining his help is to admit we need it.

Matthew 5:3​

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.”

Matthew 19:25-26: “When the disciples heard that, they were greatly astounded, saying: ‘Who really can be saved?’ Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: ‘With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.’”

1 John 1:8-9: “If we make the statement, ‘We have no sin,’ we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement, ‘We have not sinned,’ we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

Ecclesiastes 7:20: “For there is no righteous man on earth who always does good and never sins.”

 

[Melinda Riling]

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." (Sir Walter Scott)

Perhaps the "deception" was not deliberate from the beginning; however, in our mind, this is no longer true.
There is now a deliberate effort to perpetuate the "lie" because doing otherwise would undoubtedly lead to the collapse of WT. The organization would lose all credibility. Nevertheless, it is very difficult to maintain a "lie".

"To hide a lie, a thousand lies are needed" - illustrates the tremendous burden of maintaining a lie and that is exactly the problem Watchtower now faces. Public scrutiny is at a high level and Watchtower finds themselves "fetching and catching" in an attempt to keep the deception going.

If it wasn't so serious it would be humorous that, according to WT, the following scripture applies only to those searching for answers before they become a JW. For some illogical reason, this scripture apparently doesn't apply after one is baptized.

(1 Thessalonians 5:19-21) . . .Do not put out the fire of the spirit. 20 Do not treat prophesyings with contempt. 21 Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. . .

From article: Bethel's 100 Year Long Kingdom Hoax - How Will It Affect You?
"As regards the “satanic nature” of the Society’s invisible parousia teaching, it is undoubtedly the “operation of error” that Paul foretold God would allow – an operation that Paul specifically warned would proclaim that the presence had begun and the day of Jehovah is here. And of course, the most prominent feature of Jesus’ discussion regarding the sign of his presence is that there would be those falsely proclaiming that “the due time has approached” and many false prophets, and others saying ‘the Christ is here,’ ‘the Christ is there.’ Jesus warned that the deception would be so convincing that if it were possible it would even deceive the chosen ones."

In this recent YouTube video, the XJW makes the point that watchtower is slowly fading away from 1914. It’s interesting that in a recent watchtower study article about the end times and last days 1914 was never mentioned. In this video there’s an analysis made by compiling the WT data throughout the years starting in the 1950’s of using the term 1914. 1914 is being written in the literature less and less. It is pointed out that since the 1950s till today the use of 1914 has dropped 92%. WT has not pulled the plug on 1914 yet but it’s clear they are preparing the sheep.

 

[Shiloh]

In this recent YouTube video, the XJW makes the point that watchtower is slowly fading away from 1914. It’s interesting that in a recent watchtower study article about the end times and last days 1914 was never mentioned. In this video there’s an analysis made by compiling the WT data throughout the years starting in the 1950’s of using the term 1914. 1914 is being written in the literature less and less. It is pointed out that since the 1950s till today the use of 1914 has dropped 92%. WT has not pulled the plug on 1914 yet but it’s clear they are preparing the sheep.

Thats really surprising! Maybe they are planning on throwing out that teaching because they realize that after 112 years it's really garbage. Plus if they think that Satan and his demons were cast out of the heavens and confined to the vicinity of the earth back in 1914 just wait till they really are down here causing all sorts of amount of demonic activity.

 

[Watchman]

The WT might downplay 1914, but they will never discard it entirely. They can't. They are stuck with it. If they ditched it altogether, the whole organization would implode. And they would have to acknowledge that persons like myself were right all along. They are in a very uncomfortable position. God described their predicament thusly: "For the bed is too short to stretch out on, and the woven sheet is too narrow to wrap up in."

Of course, 1914 will eventually collapse, but it will not be because the GB repudiate it. It will be when war, famine, and pestilence stalk the earth, in short, all the things the WT claimed were fulfilled beginning in 1914 and cannot be repeated in greater measure. Then we will be witnesses of the fulfillment of an amazing prophecy: "Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says: “Since you reject this word and you trust in fraud and deceit and you rely on these, so this error will be for you like a broken wall, like a bulging high wall ready to fall. It will crash suddenly, in an instant. It will be broken like a large potter’s jar, so completely smashed that no fragment among its pieces will be left to rake the fire from the fireplace or to scoop water from a puddle.” - Isaiah 30:12-14

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

In this recent YouTube video, the XJW makes the point that watchtower is slowly fading away from 1914. It’s interesting that in a recent watchtower study article about the end times and last days 1914 was never mentioned. In this video there’s an analysis made by compiling the WT data throughout the years starting in the 1950’s of using the term 1914. 1914 is being written in the literature less and less. It is pointed out that since the 1950s till today the use of 1914 has dropped 92%. WT has not pulled the plug on 1914 yet but it’s clear they are preparing the sheep.

I don't normally listen all the way through this guy's videos but last night, I started listening to this one and it was so interesting that I listened right through. I mean, the use of 1914 dropping 92% is so, so interesting, a fact I'm definitely going to remember and relay to any pimos I happen to talk to, no-one can help but think deeply about this fact once you've heard it..
Actually, I meant Pimis not Pimos

 

[mts]

Nonetheless, am sure @Watchman is correct, that it will never be dropped or any new light surfacing discarding the teaching entirely. It's still mentioned in public talk outlines & recent publications used for Bible studies. The teaching runs so deep, it would/will take an act of God or extreme humility to abandon it.

 

[Shiloh]

I don't normally listen all the way through this guy's videos but last night, I started listening to this one and it was so interesting that I listened right through. I mean, the use of 1914 dropping 92% is so, so interesting, a fact I'm definitely going to remember and relay to any pimos I happen to talk to, no-one can help but think deeply about this fact once you've heard it..

I recall hearing some of his discussions on U-tube he wasnt as bad as some of those JW haters are. It's been a while, but I got to the point with all those anti JW sites where I no longer give them a viewing. Too discouraging for me, especially Mikey from Kim and Mikey. Makes me ill to hear him sarcastically say Jehovahs name.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I recall hearing some of his discussions on U-tube he wasnt as bad as some of those JW haters are. It's been a while, but I got to the point with all those anti JW sites where I no longer give them a viewing. Too discouraging for me, especially Mikey from Kim and Mikey. Makes me ill to hear him sarcastically say Jehovahs name.

Exactly! There's no need whatsoever to take any of what the Watchtower's done/doing out on Jehovah, it's the quickest way to "work out" the person and who they really are..

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Nonetheless, am sure @Watchman is correct, that it will never be dropped or any new light surfacing discarding the teaching entirely. It's still mentioned in public talk outlines & recent publications used for Bible studies. The teaching runs so deep, it would/will take an act of God or extreme humility to abandon it.

Never say never!! People say that they left the org in the 80's/90's and they don't recognise it anymore. I don't recognise it from just 6 years ago. The mind control, gaslighting and propaganda inside the org runs deep too. Couple that with the mind control, gaslighting and propaganda that's going on outside Jah's org too and you've got the perfect recipe for accepting all kinds of nonsense..

 

[Shiloh]

Never say never!! People say that they left the org in the 80's/90's and they don't recognise it anymore. I don't recognise it from just 6 years ago. The mind control, gaslighting and propaganda inside the org runs deep too. Couple that with the mind control, gaslighting and propaganda that's going on outside Jah's org too and you've got the perfect recipe for accepting all kinds of nonsense..

Thats something I can relate to. When I dissociated myself from the Organization in 1996 and then went back and got reinstated (a dumb move) in 2003, I noticed so many changes, especially the loss of love from the brothers and sisters. It felt like another religion entirely. I so miss what I thought of the Truth back in the early 80's.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Thats something I can relate to. When I dissociated myself from the Organization in 1996 and then went back and got reinstated (a dumb move) in 2003, I noticed so many changes, especially the loss of love from the brothers and sisters. It felt like another religion entirely. I so miss what I thought of the Truth back in the early 80's.

Me too.. and it's only going to get worse as the brothers and sisters blindly follow the GB into the pit..

 

[Goldie]

I recall hearing some of his discussions on U-tube he wasnt as bad as some of those JW haters are. It's been a while, but I got to the point with all those anti JW sites where I no longer give them a viewing. Too discouraging for me, especially Mikey from Kim and Mikey. Makes me ill to hear him sarcastically say Jehovahs name.

And that's the very reason I will not listen to Kim and Mikey. I heard him mockingly say Jehovahs name and I instantly thought of satan! I dont like him AT ALL! It seems all he does is mock the Bible.

 

[Melinda Riling]

I recall hearing some of his discussions on U-tube he wasnt as bad as some of those JW haters are. It's been a while, but I got to the point with all those anti JW sites where I no longer give them a viewing. Too discouraging for me, especially Mikey from Kim and Mikey. Makes me ill to hear him sarcastically say Jehovahs name.

For me Loyd Evans is by far the worst.

 

[Shiloh]

For me Loyd Evans is by far the worst.

Ya hes definitely up there on my list too. Been so long since I heard anything from him I almost forgot about him.

 

[Patricia]

I so miss what I thought of the Truth back in the early 80's.

And the 60's and 70's

 

[MickHewitt]

"To hide a lie, a thousand lies are needed"

Excellent quotes pertaining to W/T's lies: Their 1914 and other false dates has resulted in over a hundred years of whitewashing the whitewash!

 

[MickHewitt]

In this recent YouTube video, the XJW makes the point that watchtower is slowly fading away from 1914. It’s interesting that in a recent watchtower study article about the end times and last days 1914 was never mentioned. In this video there’s an analysis made by compiling the WT data throughout the years starting in the 1950’s of using the term 1914. 1914 is being written in the literature less and less. It is pointed out that since the 1950s till today the use of 1914 has dropped 92%. WT has not pulled the plug on 1914 yet but it’s clear they are preparing the sheep.

XJW notes that the omission of 1914 "is a 'decades long pattern" Interesting that Jehovah's Watchman has been dismantling W/T's false prophecy for this length of time. In fact two decades back Robert noticed after his mailing hundreds of addresses of halls at no small cost that the mail boxes at halls were taken down! https://e-watchman.com/more-stubborn-than-they/ Third paragraph.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." (Sir Walter Scott)

Perhaps the "deception" was not deliberate from the beginning; however, in our mind, this is no longer true.
There is now a deliberate effort to perpetuate the "lie" because doing otherwise would undoubtedly lead to the collapse of WT. The organization would lose all credibility. Nevertheless, it is very difficult to maintain a "lie".

"To hide a lie, a thousand lies are needed" - illustrates the tremendous burden of maintaining a lie and that is exactly the problem Watchtower now faces. Public scrutiny is at a high level and Watchtower finds themselves "fetching and catching" in an attempt to keep the deception going.

If it wasn't so serious it would be humorous that, according to WT, the following scripture applies only to those searching for answers before they become a JW. For some illogical reason, this scripture apparently doesn't apply after one is baptized.

(1 Thessalonians 5:19-21) . . .Do not put out the fire of the spirit. 20 Do not treat prophesyings with contempt. 21 Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. . .

From article: Bethel's 100 Year Long Kingdom Hoax - How Will It Affect You?
"As regards the “satanic nature” of the Society’s invisible parousia teaching, it is undoubtedly the “operation of error” that Paul foretold God would allow – an operation that Paul specifically warned would proclaim that the presence had begun and the day of Jehovah is here. And of course, the most prominent feature of Jesus’ discussion regarding the sign of his presence is that there would be those falsely proclaiming that “the due time has approached” and many false prophets, and others saying ‘the Christ is here,’ ‘the Christ is there.’ Jesus warned that the deception would be so convincing that if it were possible it would even deceive the chosen ones."

“Jesus warned that the deception would be so convincing that if it were possible it would even deceive the chosen ones."

I find it difficult to reason upon that scripture. If even the anointed could be deceived (were that possible), what does that say and infers for us whom are not anointed? What actually are we to do?

 

[Spoilmerotten]

“Jesus warned that the deception would be so convincing that if it were possible it would even deceive the chosen ones."

I find it difficult to reason upon that scripture. If even the anointed could be deceived (were that possible), what does that say and infers for us whom are not anointed? What actually are we to do?

Depend on Jehovah! “Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.” You are being given and blessed with the finest of spiritual food available. You are on the meat not the milk. Thank Jehovah for it and don’t rush through it. Chew slowly and let it digest slowly so that it remains in you through prayer. Through the word of God your perceptive powers will be strengthened.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Depend on Jehovah! “Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.” You are being given and blessed with the finest of spiritual food available. You are on the meat not the milk. Thank Jehovah for it and don’t rush through it. Chew slowly and let it digest slowly so that it remains in you through prayer. Through the word of God your perceptive powers will be strengthened.

Thank you for that comment Spoilme, that has set me up for the day!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Thank you for that comment Spoilme, that has set me up for the day!

It’s good to get spoiled rotten at times.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

It’s good to get spoiled rotten at times.

It is