Understanding the rise of the eighth king

David1982

Well-known member
Reading posts about the NWO/eighth king here and on other forums, it seems to me that many are missing the giant plot twist that its rise to power will imply. It's a very convoluted topic but I wanted to explain shortly how I understand it.
The globalist apparatus in power today is not Satan's final goal. It is a stepping stone, designed first to transform and prepare the world for his full takeover, and then to plunge it into chaos and destruction, that the eighth king will "solve". Satan is too full of himself to become king of the current dysfunctional system, or to rule as a despised dark overlord over a dystopian world. He wants to rule as Lucifer, the angel of light, over something appealing, mesmerizing even: a global government that will end the madness, restore peace and security, and bring hope of a new beginning for mankind. A globalized world mimicking and counterfeiting Christ's kingdom as much as humanly possible, in order to mislead "if possible, even the very elect", before they are sealed and Christ returns.

To understand why it makes sense from Satan's perspective to proceed this way, consider the following illustration. An immensely wealthy but evil man wanted to take over the factory of his enemy, who had left for a distant country. The evil man knew everything about the factory and how he would upgrade it. But he thought to himself: "I want to mechanize the factory, lay off most workers and keep only the best. If I just show up and start doing that, all workers will hate me and refuse to play along. No, I will remain in the shadows and instead, corrupt the current management. They will carry out all this destructive and hated effort for me, in a progressive manner so as not to cause uproar. Then, when their task reaches completion, I will make them turn outright crazy against the workers. As the factory descends into chaos and the workers finally rise up, I will appear to take over and end the madness. I will oust the crazy hierarchy and allow the workers to manage the factory for themselves, under my benevolent watch. Grateful, they will follow my lead everywhere, as sanity and order are restored in their lives. They'll never know that I had masterminded the whole scheme from the start. Because his best and most faithful workers choosing to follow me voluntarily, that will be my revenge against my enemy when he returns."

Bringing to life this global domination scheme has meant and will mean immense suffering to the human race. It has required technological development and a globalization process that have destroyed the lifestyles, traditions, families, nations of billions of people, and will finally "great-reset" off of the planet a large chunk of mankind. How can you get such an evil and dark scheme to finally be admired by the world? By flipping the narrative. Discard the apparatus that has caused such mayhem, and resurrect it with a new, benevolent and promising identity. Revelation describes this process as the death and rebirth of the wild beast in Revelation 17:8 : "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth — those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world — will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present."
Only the spiritually discerning will understand that this new beast is the same old evil but with new clothes. Everyone else will be in awe as this new power structure rises from the ashes of global destruction, and unveils the wonders kept hidden by its predecessor: advanced science and medicine, free energy, one-world religion, etc.

Before that, Jehovah will allow Satan to unleash his murderous rage upon the world, as the first stages of retribution of His own condemnation. For the human elites carrying out Satan's plans, it will be about "culling the herd". For their spiritually and technologically advanced utopia to be a success, an equally advanced citizenry is required. Those they deem weak, stupid or unproductive, are not welcome. The Great Reset/Tribulation is about unleashing a "survival of the fittest" non-conventional, depopulation war, collapsing the current system and causing tremendous hardship and death, that will sort humanity out. I believe this war is already under way: the global covid/injection program is its first chapter, and what a chapter.
The chaos will gradually make the nations states system irrelevant, as resistance movements everywhere are forced to overcome national differences and come together as one against this as much global, common enemy. The king of the north and king of the south will become these two globalized fronts: the "evil" NWO in power today (KOTS), and the "benevolent" one, the global revolutionary forces/resistance (KOTN), that is already rising up in response to the covid vaccines assault. The real elites, behind the curtains, will be pulling the strings of both sides, as usual.

Remember that Satan's goal is to establish a global government transcending all differences in race, nation, language, status, etc. He knows that no top-down, technocratic rule like the UN's could ever achieve that and captivate the hearts of mankind. Only a rule of We, The People, born out of a global revolutionary movement, can. Like the US gained legitimacy to rule the world by ending the horrors of WW2, the victorious global resistance will be granted instant legitimacy and global acceptance when it ends the horrors of the NWO gone mad.

Global powers, the plan's architects, will choose to remain in the shadows and rule through a proxy beast coming from the people (the earth), as described in Revelation 13: 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
This second beast will be a global, modernized communism organization, born out of the people's revolutionary movements. It will look benevolent, and yet be very totalitarian, forcing the world to worship the first beast, as highlighted by the expression "it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon".
This bizarre construct, combining in an unnatural mix the strength of the beast and the fragility of the people, is also described in Daniel chapter 2. Daniel saw in a vision a statue representing the succession of world powers that would rule the earth until the end. The feet represented the final stage of human rule before Christ puts an end to it : 41 And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Of course, there would be so much more to say about this topic, and how it relates to other aspects of prophecy.

In a nutshell, my understanding is that today's dystopian United Nations/WHO/WEF and the lunatics working for them will never rule the world. They were intended to prepare the rise of the eighth king, and their work is almost done. Luciferians live by principles of hermeticism and alchemy, crazy for normal people, Ordo Ab Chao, Solve et Coagula, Creative Destruction, etc. Satan is a master illusionist, he wants everyone's attention focused on his right hand, while he's performing the trick in the left one. The chaos that is picking up steam is not the goal, the order that will follow is.
Satan wants his chance to tempt the best from mankind - those belonging to Christ, and particularly His anointed brothers - to worship him voluntarily through his beast, by taking its mark, the same way he attempted to make Jesus worship him. To achieve that he first needs to establish an appealing and convincing enough rival global rule, because what genuine brother of Christ would be impressed by the beast as it exists today? After that, however, the honeymoon will end, and the beast will soon reveal its true nature against those who refuse its mark...
 

David1982

Well-known member
(End of conclusion)

First world people are now being split into two separate realities. The covid narrative has caused a global consciousness shift and a resistance to emerge in response to the mandated insanity. It's mainstream vs conspiracy, compliance vs resistance, emotion vs critical thinking, "woke" vs awakened, vaccinated vs pureblood, and no common ground. Always playing God and confusing those watching prophecy, Satan has brought to life his own version of a wheat from the chaff separation.
As much as I am happy to see people keeping their sanity and resisting the death shots mandates, we can't get too carried away with the revolutionary movements about to erupt. They are who the eighth king will ultimately rise from, and part of the deception to make us welcome it. Neutrality will be more than ever necessary.
There is no epic hero without an equally epic villain. We have been heavily programmed since childhood by the entertainment industry, for this final battle between good and evil, and to celebrate its outcome. Like something out of a Star Wars movie, the rebel alliance will eventually win, against all odds, when the empire seems stronger than ever. Or so it will be made to look like.

It's very sad that when I talk about these things with JWs, they have no clue what I'm talking about. We have to thank the Watchtower for their prophetic illiteracy, and all the misconceptions they have pushed for decades. How can you begin to understand Revelation 13 if you believe it sort-of-happened a century ago?
The understanding of prophecy doesn't belong to an elite class. End times prophecies, and the book of Revelation in particular, are a gift from Jehovah to help us navigate the crazy times that are coming, and see through Satan's deceptions. Examining them for ourselves, sharing our understanding and encouraging each other, is how it should be.
Not only did the WT fail to provide a sensible explanation of prophecies, they've also made them their prerogative, making it an act of disloyalty against the "Slave/Channel" to study them and come to our own conclusions. Like the clergy of old, who prohibited common people from reading and understanding the Bible for themselves.
 

kirmmy

Well-known member
we can't get too carried away with the revolutionary movements about to erupt.
Exactimundo! We have to always remember we await God's Kingdom and there is no man-made version of that.

I can't say I agree with 100% of what you said but you've given me lots to think about. I talked about there being a widespread uprising that would lead to anarchy and the rise of the eight king here before. It's just a thought but somewhat close to what you've said. I have to watch out because I find the thought deeply satisfying. People rising up and going crazy and finally getting some payback on their masters, the "elites". If you read a lot of forums today you'll see common themes regarding rope, piano wire, guillotines, etc from the forum commentators. People are violently angry with their political "leaders" and the percieved "elite". Who can blame them after the last two years and way more on the horizon.
It's very sad that when I talk about these things with JWs, they have no clue what I'm talking about.
That's probably because deep down inside they want this system to continue... They no longer want the constant waiting state of those who watch, study and wait on Jah.

Not only did the WT fail to provide a sensible explanation of prophecies, they've also made them their prerogative, making it an act of disloyalty against the "Slave/Channel" to study them and come to our own conclusions. Like the clergy of old, who prohibited common people from reading and understanding the Bible for themselves.
Yes, that is one of the most disgusting things about them.

Matt 23:13
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in."
 

Cristo

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Nicely done David…great read. I enjoy your writing style. I’m surprised I didn’t see this until today. So many posts coming on now, it’s getting difficult to follow. Look forward to more from you. I particularly enjoyed your description of the second beast…Again good work.
 
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Posstot

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Reading posts about the NWO/eighth king here and on other forums, it seems to me that many are missing the giant plot twist that its rise to power will imply. It's a very convoluted topic but I wanted to explain shortly how I understand it.
The globalist apparatus in power today is not Satan's final goal. It is a stepping stone, designed first to transform and prepare the world for his full takeover, and then to plunge it into chaos and destruction, that the eighth king will "solve". Satan is too full of himself to become king of the current dysfunctional system, or to rule as a despised dark overlord over a dystopian world. He wants to rule as Lucifer, the angel of light, over something appealing, mesmerizing even: a global government that will end the madness, restore peace and security, and bring hope of a new beginning for mankind. A globalized world mimicking and counterfeiting Christ's kingdom as much as humanly possible, in order to mislead "if possible, even the very elect", before they are sealed and Christ returns.

To understand why it makes sense from Satan's perspective to proceed this way, consider the following illustration. An immensely wealthy but evil man wanted to take over the factory of his enemy, who had left for a distant country. The evil man knew everything about the factory and how he would upgrade it. But he thought to himself: "I want to mechanize the factory, lay off most workers and keep only the best. If I just show up and start doing that, all workers will hate me and refuse to play along. No, I will remain in the shadows and instead, corrupt the current management. They will carry out all this destructive and hated effort for me, in a progressive manner so as not to cause uproar. Then, when their task reaches completion, I will make them turn outright crazy against the workers. As the factory descends into chaos and the workers finally rise up, I will appear to take over and end the madness. I will oust the crazy hierarchy and allow the workers to manage the factory for themselves, under my benevolent watch. Grateful, they will follow my lead everywhere, as sanity and order are restored in their lives. They'll never know that I had masterminded the whole scheme from the start. Because his best and most faithful workers choosing to follow me voluntarily, that will be my revenge against my enemy when he returns."

Bringing to life this global domination scheme has meant and will mean immense suffering to the human race. It has required technological development and a globalization process that have destroyed the lifestyles, traditions, families, nations of billions of people, and will finally "great-reset" off of the planet a large chunk of mankind. How can you get such an evil and dark scheme to finally be admired by the world? By flipping the narrative. Discard the apparatus that has caused such mayhem, and resurrect it with a new, benevolent and promising identity. Revelation describes this process as the death and rebirth of the wild beast in Revelation 17:8 : "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth — those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world — will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present."
Only the spiritually discerning will understand that this new beast is the same old evil but with new clothes. Everyone else will be in awe as this new power structure rises from the ashes of global destruction, and unveils the wonders kept hidden by its predecessor: advanced science and medicine, free energy, one-world religion, etc.

Before that, Jehovah will allow Satan to unleash his murderous rage upon the world, as the first stages of retribution of His own condemnation. For the human elites carrying out Satan's plans, it will be about "culling the herd". For their spiritually and technologically advanced utopia to be a success, an equally advanced citizenry is required. Those they deem weak, stupid or unproductive, are not welcome. The Great Reset/Tribulation is about unleashing a "survival of the fittest" non-conventional, depopulation war, collapsing the current system and causing tremendous hardship and death, that will sort humanity out. I believe this war is already under way: the global covid/injection program is its first chapter, and what a chapter.
The chaos will gradually make the nations states system irrelevant, as resistance movements everywhere are forced to overcome national differences and come together as one against this as much global, common enemy. The king of the north and king of the south will become these two globalized fronts: the "evil" NWO in power today (KOTS), and the "benevolent" one, the global revolutionary forces/resistance (KOTN), that is already rising up in response to the covid vaccines assault. The real elites, behind the curtains, will be pulling the strings of both sides, as usual.

Remember that Satan's goal is to establish a global government transcending all differences in race, nation, language, status, etc. He knows that no top-down, technocratic rule like the UN's could ever achieve that and captivate the hearts of mankind. Only a rule of We, The People, born out of a global revolutionary movement, can. Like the US gained legitimacy to rule the world by ending the horrors of WW2, the victorious global resistance will be granted instant legitimacy and global acceptance when it ends the horrors of the NWO gone mad.

Global powers, the plan's architects, will choose to remain in the shadows and rule through a proxy beast coming from the people (the earth), as described in Revelation 13: 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
This second beast will be a global, modernized communism organization, born out of the people's revolutionary movements. It will look benevolent, and yet be very totalitarian, forcing the world to worship the first beast, as highlighted by the expression "it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon".
This bizarre construct, combining in an unnatural mix the strength of the beast and the fragility of the people, is also described in Daniel chapter 2. Daniel saw in a vision a statue representing the succession of world powers that would rule the earth until the end. The feet represented the final stage of human rule before Christ puts an end to it : 41 And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Of course, there would be so much more to say about this topic, and how it relates to other aspects of prophecy.

In a nutshell, my understanding is that today's dystopian United Nations/WHO/WEF and the lunatics working for them will never rule the world. They were intended to prepare the rise of the eighth king, and their work is almost done. Luciferians live by principles of hermeticism and alchemy, crazy for normal people, Ordo Ab Chao, Solve et Coagula, Creative Destruction, etc. Satan is a master illusionist, he wants everyone's attention focused on his right hand, while he's performing the trick in the left one. The chaos that is picking up steam is not the goal, the order that will follow is.
Satan wants his chance to tempt the best from mankind - those belonging to Christ, and particularly His anointed brothers - to worship him voluntarily through his beast, by taking its mark, the same way he attempted to make Jesus worship him. To achieve that he first needs to establish an appealing and convincing enough rival global rule, because what genuine brother of Christ would be impressed by the beast as it exists today? After that, however, the honeymoon will end, and the beast will soon reveal its true nature against those who refuse its mark...

. . . and you posted that 4 days ago? I didn't see it until just now, and all I have to say is: Flesh and blood didn't reveal that to you!

This flipping the script is really going to deceive if possible even the chosen ones; Jehovah showed me the same years ago.

You done a great job of succinctly explaining it.
 

David1982

Well-known member
Thank you for your replies! I guess I went too far down the rabbit hole for most visiting this forum :)

I can't say I agree with 100% of what you said but you've given me lots to think about.
And that's how it should be. At this late hour, it's Jehovah's Holy Spirit that is unsealing the understanding of prophecy in sincere students, but we all make sense of it based on our own personal experience and biases. We agree on what is the most important, that mankind is fallen and that the only way out will be through Christ's Kingdom, "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

The process I described is not new, it's already been applied by previous revolutionary conspirators in the past, for example during the French Revolution. The rising wealthy class manipulating the old elite they wanted to replace, making them starve and harass the masses, until the breaking point was reached and insurrection ensued.
This time however it will happen on a global scale. Before that, it's very likely that the current elites will try to exit the covid chapter, and provide a cover for the system collapse, by unleashing another gigantic distraction. Probably taking the world to war, in what will be the current national world powers swan song. We'll know soon enough...

That's probably because deep down inside they want this system to continue... They no longer want the constant waiting state of those who watch, study and wait on Jah.
Based on recent developments within the Watchtower, I fear something even worse, that they are setting up the brothers to welcome the new beast. "The disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place", would be that new beast standing and being celebrated among the WT as it emerges.

Because the WT have not explained this coming reversal, because they always present Satan as a raging maniac, what will happen when he finally impersonates someone completely different, a Christlike angel of light?
When he spoke about end times, our time, Jesus warned us again and again to beware of the false Christ impersonators that would come, he told us of the need to be able to recognize his voice from the voice of strangers. He knew that Satan's system would ultimately try to mislead his followers by appearing as something benevolent, something coming from him.

The whole point of my long explanation was to address this entrenched misconception among JWs. The beast of Revelation 13 when it appears will look like the MOST AWESOME THING EVER to the average, not spiritually discerning person. It's another turn of events for which JWs are totally unprepared.
 

Bklyn Kevin

Well-known member
Reading posts about the NWO/eighth king here and on other forums, it seems to me that many are missing the giant plot twist that its rise to power will imply. It's a very convoluted topic but I wanted to explain shortly how I understand it.
The globalist apparatus in power today is not Satan's final goal. It is a stepping stone, designed first to transform and prepare the world for his full takeover, and then to plunge it into chaos and destruction, that the eighth king will "solve". Satan is too full of himself to become king of the current dysfunctional system, or to rule as a despised dark overlord over a dystopian world. He wants to rule as Lucifer, the angel of light, over something appealing, mesmerizing even: a global government that will end the madness, restore peace and security, and bring hope of a new beginning for mankind. A globalized world mimicking and counterfeiting Christ's kingdom as much as humanly possible, in order to mislead "if possible, even the very elect", before they are sealed and Christ returns.

To understand why it makes sense from Satan's perspective to proceed this way, consider the following illustration. An immensely wealthy but evil man wanted to take over the factory of his enemy, who had left for a distant country. The evil man knew everything about the factory and how he would upgrade it. But he thought to himself: "I want to mechanize the factory, lay off most workers and keep only the best. If I just show up and start doing that, all workers will hate me and refuse to play along. No, I will remain in the shadows and instead, corrupt the current management. They will carry out all this destructive and hated effort for me, in a progressive manner so as not to cause uproar. Then, when their task reaches completion, I will make them turn outright crazy against the workers. As the factory descends into chaos and the workers finally rise up, I will appear to take over and end the madness. I will oust the crazy hierarchy and allow the workers to manage the factory for themselves, under my benevolent watch. Grateful, they will follow my lead everywhere, as sanity and order are restored in their lives. They'll never know that I had masterminded the whole scheme from the start. Because his best and most faithful workers choosing to follow me voluntarily, that will be my revenge against my enemy when he returns."

Bringing to life this global domination scheme has meant and will mean immense suffering to the human race. It has required technological development and a globalization process that have destroyed the lifestyles, traditions, families, nations of billions of people, and will finally "great-reset" off of the planet a large chunk of mankind. How can you get such an evil and dark scheme to finally be admired by the world? By flipping the narrative. Discard the apparatus that has caused such mayhem, and resurrect it with a new, benevolent and promising identity. Revelation describes this process as the death and rebirth of the wild beast in Revelation 17:8 : "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth — those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world — will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present."
Only the spiritually discerning will understand that this new beast is the same old evil but with new clothes. Everyone else will be in awe as this new power structure rises from the ashes of global destruction, and unveils the wonders kept hidden by its predecessor: advanced science and medicine, free energy, one-world religion, etc.

Before that, Jehovah will allow Satan to unleash his murderous rage upon the world, as the first stages of retribution of His own condemnation. For the human elites carrying out Satan's plans, it will be about "culling the herd". For their spiritually and technologically advanced utopia to be a success, an equally advanced citizenry is required. Those they deem weak, stupid or unproductive, are not welcome. The Great Reset/Tribulation is about unleashing a "survival of the fittest" non-conventional, depopulation war, collapsing the current system and causing tremendous hardship and death, that will sort humanity out. I believe this war is already under way: the global covid/injection program is its first chapter, and what a chapter.
The chaos will gradually make the nations states system irrelevant, as resistance movements everywhere are forced to overcome national differences and come together as one against this as much global, common enemy. The king of the north and king of the south will become these two globalized fronts: the "evil" NWO in power today (KOTS), and the "benevolent" one, the global revolutionary forces/resistance (KOTN), that is already rising up in response to the covid vaccines assault. The real elites, behind the curtains, will be pulling the strings of both sides, as usual.

Remember that Satan's goal is to establish a global government transcending all differences in race, nation, language, status, etc. He knows that no top-down, technocratic rule like the UN's could ever achieve that and captivate the hearts of mankind. Only a rule of We, The People, born out of a global revolutionary movement, can. Like the US gained legitimacy to rule the world by ending the horrors of WW2, the victorious global resistance will be granted instant legitimacy and global acceptance when it ends the horrors of the NWO gone mad.

Global powers, the plan's architects, will choose to remain in the shadows and rule through a proxy beast coming from the people (the earth), as described in Revelation 13: 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
This second beast will be a global, modernized communism organization, born out of the people's revolutionary movements. It will look benevolent, and yet be very totalitarian, forcing the world to worship the first beast, as highlighted by the expression "it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon".
This bizarre construct, combining in an unnatural mix the strength of the beast and the fragility of the people, is also described in Daniel chapter 2. Daniel saw in a vision a statue representing the succession of world powers that would rule the earth until the end. The feet represented the final stage of human rule before Christ puts an end to it : 41 And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Of course, there would be so much more to say about this topic, and how it relates to other aspects of prophecy.

In a nutshell, my understanding is that today's dystopian United Nations/WHO/WEF and the lunatics working for them will never rule the world. They were intended to prepare the rise of the eighth king, and their work is almost done. Luciferians live by principles of hermeticism and alchemy, crazy for normal people, Ordo Ab Chao, Solve et Coagula, Creative Destruction, etc. Satan is a master illusionist, he wants everyone's attention focused on his right hand, while he's performing the trick in the left one. The chaos that is picking up steam is not the goal, the order that will follow is.
Satan wants his chance to tempt the best from mankind - those belonging to Christ, and particularly His anointed brothers - to worship him voluntarily through his beast, by taking its mark, the same way he attempted to make Jesus worship him. To achieve that he first needs to establish an appealing and convincing enough rival global rule, because what genuine brother of Christ would be impressed by the beast as it exists today? After that, however, the honeymoon will end, and the beast will soon reveal its true nature against those who refuse its mark...

If I were the devil ~ Paul Harvey insight In 1965.​

 

Bklyn Kevin

Well-known member
(End of conclusion)

First world people are now being split into two separate realities. The covid narrative has caused a global consciousness shift and a resistance to emerge in response to the mandated insanity. It's mainstream vs conspiracy, compliance vs resistance, emotion vs critical thinking, "woke" vs awakened, vaccinated vs pureblood, and no common ground. Always playing God and confusing those watching prophecy, Satan has brought to life his own version of a wheat from the chaff separation.
As much as I am happy to see people keeping their sanity and resisting the death shots mandates, we can't get too carried away with the revolutionary movements about to erupt. They are who the eighth king will ultimately rise from, and part of the deception to make us welcome it. Neutrality will be more than ever necessary.
There is no epic hero without an equally epic villain. We have been heavily programmed since childhood by the entertainment industry, for this final battle between good and evil, and to celebrate its outcome. Like something out of a Star Wars movie, the rebel alliance will eventually win, against all odds, when the empire seems stronger than ever. Or so it will be made to look like.

It's very sad that when I talk about these things with JWs, they have no clue what I'm talking about. We have to thank the Watchtower for their prophetic illiteracy, and all the misconceptions they have pushed for decades. How can you begin to understand Revelation 13 if you believe it sort-of-happened a century ago?
The understanding of prophecy doesn't belong to an elite class. End times prophecies, and the book of Revelation in particular, are a gift from Jehovah to help us navigate the crazy times that are coming, and see through Satan's deceptions. Examining them for ourselves, sharing our understanding and encouraging each other, is how it should be.
Not only did the WT fail to provide a sensible explanation of prophecies, they've also made them their prerogative, making it an act of disloyalty against the "Slave/Channel" to study them and come to our own conclusions. Like the clergy of old, who prohibited common people from reading and understanding the Bible for themselves.
The scriptures agree with you when you said "The understanding of prophecy doesn't belong to an elite class. End times prophecies, and the book of Revelation in particular, are a gift from Jehovah to help us navigate the crazy times that are coming, and see through Satan's deceptions. Examining them for ourselves, sharing our understanding and encouraging each other, is how it should be.

Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in a vision at night. So Daniel praised the God of heaven. Daniel declared:“Let the name of God be praised for all eternity,*For wisdom and mightiness are his alone. He changes times and seasons, Removes kings and sets up kings,Gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment. He reveals the deep things and the hidden things, He knows what is in the darkness, And with him the light dwells. To you, O God of my forefathers, I offer thanks and praise,Because you have given me wisdom and power.And now you have made known to me what we requested of you;You have made known to us the concern of the king.”Daniel 2:19- 23

“As for the fourth kingdom, it will be strong like iron.+ For just as iron crushes and pulverizes everything else, yes, like iron that shatters, it will crush and shatter all of these. “And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay. “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, 40- 44
 

David1982

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Man, that is exactly what's happening today, pretty much. I'm a bit worried as to how Paul Harvey could understand the Devil so well.
Yes, this is what I call the "anything goes" world, that we have known for decades, and that Satan has very successfully used to divert people away from God. But now, that world is being phased out. For the final stretch of his allotted time, Satan wants to transform his rule into something appealing enough to mislead even the God-fearing into worshiping him. The anything goes world can't achieve that, and that's why it is being tossed away through the "Great Reset", along with countless people who can't just let it go, and want to "go back to normal"...

People rising up and going crazy and finally getting some payback on their masters, the "elites". If you read a lot of forums today you'll see common themes regarding rope, piano wire, guillotines, etc from the forum commentators. People are violently angry with their political "leaders" and the percieved "elite".
Exactly and I didn't go deeper into this aspect because my post was already too long. Many people are confused over the elites plans because they view as elite the minions they see on TV. People like Fauci, Gates, Schwab, any politician, are just high-level employees, pawns for the real elite. When things go bad they'll be sacrificed to appease the public's anger, while the real elites will be fine.

This visible power structure has carried out Satan's schemes for centuries, but is now an obstacle to his full takeover. By compromising all the privileged class with the injections madness, Satan is making sure they will be wiped out when the tables turn and the truth comes out. National governments, politicians, media figures, doctors, top executives, they are all going to be burned to the ground, clearing the way for the rise of a "new" power structure from the resistance, the eighth king.

When people learn what has been done to them and their children, things will turn very, very ugly.
Of course, this was announced through predictive programming too, like in this scene from the movie V for Vendetta.


This is not related, but now every time I see the motto talking about unity in the movie, I can't help but think of the GB telling us to believe lies in the name of "our precious unity"...
"Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith in the Channel" :(

How sad when those supposed to be the keepers of Christ's truth and hope speak like the treacherous leaders in a dystopian movie.
 
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Posstot

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Based on recent developments within the Watchtower, I fear something even worse, that they are setting up the brothers to welcome the new beast. "The disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place", would be that new beast standing and being celebrated among the WT as it emerges.

About three decades ago Jehovah showed me that the signature activity that put JWs on the map as God's 'exclusive channel of communication' - namely their being the only group here on earth 'preaching the kingdom,' a 'fact' that JWs pride themselves on down till today, in seeming fulfillment of Mat 24:14 - is in reality, as they ironically state, the 'incoming kingdom that is about to take full control over the whole earth, to replace the present lawless system' of nation states, to quote their own literature, but which even blind Freddie now recognizes as Satan's upcoming new, post sword stroke, NWO beast, of which the WT is on record as saying, by commenting on Re 13:3,4, that Jehovah would of course 'never allow united, global Devil worship here on His earth.'

Thus, the kingdom that JWs have preached to the ends of the earth is in fact Satan's final stage NWO, which is 'about to take full control over the entire world.'

This new NWO is also the disgusting thing causing desolation to Christianity and its political and moral realm of operation, by replacing it and thereby fulfilling its intended purpose to unite mankind under its righteous and benevolent rule as the kingdom of God on earth, just as anticipated by all religions as the coming golden age, which, again, ironically the WT has been on the forefront in advertising.
 

kirmmy

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Yes, this is what I call the "anything goes" world, that we have known for decades, and that Satan has very successfully used to divert people away from God. But now, that world is being phased out. For the final stretch of his allotted time, Satan wants to transform his rule into something appealing enough to mislead even the God-fearing into worshiping him. The anything goes world can't achieve that, and that's why it is being tossed away through the "Great Reset", along with countless people who can't just let it go, and want to "go back to normal"...


Exactly and I didn't go deeper into this aspect because my post was already too long. Many people are confused over the elites plans because they view as elite the minions they see on TV. People like Fauci, Gates, Schwab, any politician, are just high-level employees, pawns for the real elite. When things go bad they'll be sacrificed to appease the public's anger, while the real elites will be fine.

This visible power structure has carried out Satan's schemes for centuries, but is now an obstacle to his full takeover. By compromising all the privileged class with the injections madness, Satan is making sure they will be wiped out when the tables turn and the truth comes out. National governments, politicians, media figures, doctors, top executives, they are all going to be burned to the ground, clearing the way for the rise of a "new" power structure from the resistance, the eighth king.

When people learn what has been done to them and their children, things will turn very, very ugly.
Of course, this was announced through predictive programming too, like in this scene from the movie V for Vendetta.


This is not related, but now every time I see the motto talking about unity in the movie, I can't help but think of the GB telling us to believe lies in the name of "our precious unity"...
"Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith in the Channel" :(

How sad when those supposed to be the keepers of Christ's truth and hope speak like the treacherous leaders in a dystopian movie.
Loved that movie and especially the dominoes scene. We're beginning to see how the dominoes are set up now and how they're going to fall, thanks to prophecy and our experience with fallen human nature.

Look what's happening in the States now:

A wall being built around the Whitehouse
People that don't want their magic juice are being classified as seditionists and insurrectionists.
Many top executives are resigning their positions in major corporations
Many top executives are cashing out large parts of their stock positions...even in their own companies
Some, that are in the know, are fleeing the scene. Where to? I would imagine whatever hidey-hole they have. (Alex Jones)

I always said; when you see guys like Gates and Soros heading for their bunkers in NZ, it's time. I'm not saying they are yet, but watch for it.

The US will fall and soon. The "elites" will have their wish of destroying the preeminent Nation State.

Nations like Aus, Can, NZ, most of Europe are already in their pocket.

I'm not looking forward to my stay at the Larkhill Resettlement camp. :)
 

יהוה_saves

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Based on recent developments within the Watchtower, I fear something even worse, that they are setting up the brothers to welcome the new beast. "The disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place", would be that new beast standing and being celebrated among the WT as it emerges
Omgsh i hadn’t thought of that. that sent chills down my spine. what if you’re right. What if that’s it.
 

Jackie

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Reading posts about the NWO/eighth king here and on other forums, it seems to me that many are missing the giant plot twist that its rise to power will imply. It's a very convoluted topic but I wanted to explain shortly how I understand it.
The globalist apparatus in power today is not Satan's final goal. It is a stepping stone, designed first to transform and prepare the world for his full takeover, and then to plunge it into chaos and destruction, that the eighth king will "solve". Satan is too full of himself to become king of the current dysfunctional system, or to rule as a despised dark overlord over a dystopian world. He wants to rule as Lucifer, the angel of light, over something appealing, mesmerizing even: a global government that will end the madness, restore peace and security, and bring hope of a new beginning for mankind. A globalized world mimicking and counterfeiting Christ's kingdom as much as humanly possible, in order to mislead "if possible, even the very elect", before they are sealed and Christ returns.

To understand why it makes sense from Satan's perspective to proceed this way, consider the following illustration. An immensely wealthy but evil man wanted to take over the factory of his enemy, who had left for a distant country. The evil man knew everything about the factory and how he would upgrade it. But he thought to himself: "I want to mechanize the factory, lay off most workers and keep only the best. If I just show up and start doing that, all workers will hate me and refuse to play along. No, I will remain in the shadows and instead, corrupt the current management. They will carry out all this destructive and hated effort for me, in a progressive manner so as not to cause uproar. Then, when their task reaches completion, I will make them turn outright crazy against the workers. As the factory descends into chaos and the workers finally rise up, I will appear to take over and end the madness. I will oust the crazy hierarchy and allow the workers to manage the factory for themselves, under my benevolent watch. Grateful, they will follow my lead everywhere, as sanity and order are restored in their lives. They'll never know that I had masterminded the whole scheme from the start. Because his best and most faithful workers choosing to follow me voluntarily, that will be my revenge against my enemy when he returns."

Bringing to life this global domination scheme has meant and will mean immense suffering to the human race. It has required technological development and a globalization process that have destroyed the lifestyles, traditions, families, nations of billions of people, and will finally "great-reset" off of the planet a large chunk of mankind. How can you get such an evil and dark scheme to finally be admired by the world? By flipping the narrative. Discard the apparatus that has caused such mayhem, and resurrect it with a new, benevolent and promising identity. Revelation describes this process as the death and rebirth of the wild beast in Revelation 17:8 : "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth — those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world — will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present."
Only the spiritually discerning will understand that this new beast is the same old evil but with new clothes. Everyone else will be in awe as this new power structure rises from the ashes of global destruction, and unveils the wonders kept hidden by its predecessor: advanced science and medicine, free energy, one-world religion, etc.

Before that, Jehovah will allow Satan to unleash his murderous rage upon the world, as the first stages of retribution of His own condemnation. For the human elites carrying out Satan's plans, it will be about "culling the herd". For their spiritually and technologically advanced utopia to be a success, an equally advanced citizenry is required. Those they deem weak, stupid or unproductive, are not welcome. The Great Reset/Tribulation is about unleashing a "survival of the fittest" non-conventional, depopulation war, collapsing the current system and causing tremendous hardship and death, that will sort humanity out. I believe this war is already under way: the global covid/injection program is its first chapter, and what a chapter.
The chaos will gradually make the nations states system irrelevant, as resistance movements everywhere are forced to overcome national differences and come together as one against this as much global, common enemy. The king of the north and king of the south will become these two globalized fronts: the "evil" NWO in power today (KOTS), and the "benevolent" one, the global revolutionary forces/resistance (KOTN), that is already rising up in response to the covid vaccines assault. The real elites, behind the curtains, will be pulling the strings of both sides, as usual.

Remember that Satan's goal is to establish a global government transcending all differences in race, nation, language, status, etc. He knows that no top-down, technocratic rule like the UN's could ever achieve that and captivate the hearts of mankind. Only a rule of We, The People, born out of a global revolutionary movement, can. Like the US gained legitimacy to rule the world by ending the horrors of WW2, the victorious global resistance will be granted instant legitimacy and global acceptance when it ends the horrors of the NWO gone mad.

Global powers, the plan's architects, will choose to remain in the shadows and rule through a proxy beast coming from the people (the earth), as described in Revelation 13: 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
This second beast will be a global, modernized communism organization, born out of the people's revolutionary movements. It will look benevolent, and yet be very totalitarian, forcing the world to worship the first beast, as highlighted by the expression "it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon".
This bizarre construct, combining in an unnatural mix the strength of the beast and the fragility of the people, is also described in Daniel chapter 2. Daniel saw in a vision a statue representing the succession of world powers that would rule the earth until the end. The feet represented the final stage of human rule before Christ puts an end to it : 41 And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Of course, there would be so much more to say about this topic, and how it relates to other aspects of prophecy.

In a nutshell, my understanding is that today's dystopian United Nations/WHO/WEF and the lunatics working for them will never rule the world. They were intended to prepare the rise of the eighth king, and their work is almost done. Luciferians live by principles of hermeticism and alchemy, crazy for normal people, Ordo Ab Chao, Solve et Coagula, Creative Destruction, etc. Satan is a master illusionist, he wants everyone's attention focused on his right hand, while he's performing the trick in the left one. The chaos that is picking up steam is not the goal, the order that will follow is.
Satan wants his chance to tempt the best from mankind - those belonging to Christ, and particularly His anointed brothers - to worship him voluntarily through his beast, by taking its mark, the same way he attempted to make Jesus worship him. To achieve that he first needs to establish an appealing and convincing enough rival global rule, because what genuine brother of Christ would be impressed by the beast as it exists today? After that, however, the honeymoon will end, and the beast will soon reveal its true nature against those who refuse its mark...
Woah, this is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. As much as we loathe those responsible for the world’s misery and crimes against humanity, it’s going to take an incredible amount of restraint not to sympathize or feel a sort of kinship towards those taking on the tyranny and elites as Satan could very well use them to flip the switch.
 

Nomex

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Satan is too full of himself to become king of the current dysfunctional system, or to rule as a despised dark overlord over a dystopian world. He wants to rule as Lucifer, the angel of light, over something appealing, mesmerizing even: a global government that will end the madness, restore peace and security, and bring hope of a new beginning for mankind. A globalized world mimicking and counterfeiting Christ's kingdom as much as humanly possible
Wow...JUST WOW. Where to start. So a friend of mine who is a lurker on here sent this to me, I cannot believe I missed this. He said, "the guy nails it on the head good read." Then he follows up with "it fascinates me that there are so many like minded Individuals" on here.

It has driven me BONKERS to hear so many times over the years when JW's would comment, "Satan knows he's lost he just wants to take as many people down with him as possible." It just really demonstrates how completely clueless they really are. Satan for example banked his whole rebellion on the fact Jehovah would not kill him back in the garden of Eden. He's has a better idea of what he is doing than that. As if he's given up. ABSURD! Of course who can blame them when they believe the GB that Satan was cast to earth 108 years ago and life has continued "exactly as the worlds beginning until now." To JW's the world getting worse is because there are more "R" rated movies. They have no idea what the ruling elite are capable of, and have been doing, and what's really going to happen. Like I keep saying, they do not REALLY believe Satan rules the world.

I think you summed everything up extremely well. Well done. "Order out of Chaos"! It's their modus operandi.

The other thing that is very revealing, is how similar everything you wrote is I think to what many of us here already knew on one level or another. You basically wrote down everything I thought, but didn't know how to put into words. Maybe everything doesn't play out excatly like you laid it out, but we have the playbook. If you look at the description in Revelation of the sword stroke and the beast reviving, it is problem, reaction, solution.

I wrote in another thread that the destruction of Babylon the Great is actually going to be the replacement of all Religion with this Luciferain One World Religion along with the Rise of their One World Order. What you wrote is exactly what I was getting at, nicely written. I'll be reading that again!
 
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David1982

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Wow...JUST WOW. Where to start. So a friend of mine who is a lurker on here sent this to me, I cannot believe I missed this. He said, "the guy nails it on the head good read." Then he follows up with "it fascinates me that there are so many like minded Individuals" on here.
Thank you Nomex. I really appreciate that you, your friend and other people found what I wrote meaningful. It will encourage me to keep posting. I started a new job and haven't had as much time lately. English is not my native language, so it takes some work until I say, "OK, that sounds like English" :)

The saddest thing to me these days is to see how oblivious JWs are to what lies ahead of us, how asleep they are in this late hour. How ironic, we've always been told that the end was just around the corner, and now that it is finally here, that absolute madness has taken over, everybody acts like it's no big deal.
"The preaching work and public meetings have been stopped, so what? The whole planet is being blackmailed and injected with an undisclosed concoction, so what? Let's go on Zoom for some ear tickling".

Satan for example banked his whole rebellion on the fact Jehovah would not kill him back in the garden of Eden. He's has a better idea of what he is doing than that. As if he's given up. ABSURD!
It's hard for human beings to fathom the level of pride it must take to brazenly oppose the Almighty God of the universe. So it's very possible that Satan still believes he can change the end of the movie, by misleading enough people into following him. Either way, every faithful believer he can turn away from God will be a victory for him. And that's the whole point of this final, "perfect" beast, and of his scheme millenia in the making.
 

Nomex

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It's hard for human beings to fathom the level of pride it must take to brazenly oppose the Almighty God of the universe.
His arrogance makes him believe he can still win of that I am convinced and have been for a very long time. It's irrelevant if we know we cannot win. He managed to convince angels to follow him in his rebellion. He's much smarter and more powerful than we understand which fuels his arrogance and hatred for both God and mankind. To understand just how much he hates man, when he fails it is going to be because of us. I also think this has driven him "insane". Think of what it must have done to them to go against the Almighty.
 

SusanB

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Thank you Nomex. I really appreciate that you, your friend and other people found what I wrote meaningful. It will encourage me to keep posting. I started a new job and haven't had as much time lately. English is not my native language, so it takes some work until I say, "OK, that sounds like English" :)

The saddest thing to me these days is to see how oblivious JWs are to what lies ahead of us, how asleep they are in this late hour. How ironic, we've always been told that the end was just around the corner, and now that it is finally here, that absolute madness has taken over, everybody acts like it's no big deal.
"The preaching work and public meetings have been stopped, so what? The whole planet is being blackmailed and injected with an undisclosed concoction, so what? Let's go on Zoom for some ear tickling".


It's hard for human beings to fathom the level of pride it must take to brazenly oppose the Almighty God of the universe. So it's very possible that Satan still believes he can change the end of the movie, by misleading enough people into following him. Either way, every faithful believer he can turn away from God will be a victory for him. And that's the whole point of this final, "perfect" beast, and of his scheme millenia in the making.
Yes, please keep posting when you can.
 

יהוה_saves

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His arrogance makes him believe he can still win of that I am convinced and have been for a very long time.
that’s a really good point. Sometimes I personally forget about his arrogance and where that leads.

Robert mentioned in one of his essays that Satan hurts us because he is trying to hurt Jehovah as Jehovah cares so much about us. That concept never occurred to me before. I am learning so much from you wonderful people here.
 
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