Update on meeting with the Elders 12/28/21

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Read just one part of that expose and it was really a shocker.
Everything presented made perfect sense.
With most industrialized nations possessing technology far exceeding what the U S had in the late sixties, why hasn’t any of them ,especially Russia, not gone to the moon.
Thanks for sharing that link Joe.
I highly recommend reading all the parts. They are very well done. He is just getting started. Incredible compilation of great photos too, especially if viewed on a laptop. Also, quite well written and great humor. Very entertaining. He covers so many topics, in detail, any one of which blows the narrative out of the water. My personal theory is that the "civilian space program" has just been a cover for all the military and covert activity in space. I would not be surprised if there are a lot of dead bodies floating around up there from failed missions. Maybe even bodies from crafts that crashed on the moon. Who knows. Any endeavor as complex as space exploration would have a lot of trial and error and loss of life.

That is part of how ridiculous the narrative is. I mean we have Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon talking on the phone, from the White House to the men on the moon, blathering on about world peace. OK.

There is a great older documentary about the CIA overthrow of a "banana republic" using a fake revolution, imaginary army, radio broadcasts, planes dropping leaflets, etc. All to accomplish 2 goals: 1) Return control of the land to Chiquita Banana Co. and 2) to get rid of the Soviet sympathetic government. At the end of the documentary, we see Richard Nixon (as a Senator? on a special committee) on stage blathering on about keeping the world safe from communism.......the whole thing was an agency "operation." All the alleged trips to the moon took place during Nixon's presidency. Then they folded shop, because it was "too expensive."

Oh, and McGowan has other great stuff. The Lookout Mountain stuff is mind-blowing.........the whole 1960's flower power, LSD, music scene, etc. is all tightly connected with military intelligence etc. Nothing in our "history" has been as it is presented to the public. Once one peers under a few rocks, on a deep enough level, one gets a clearer picture of the false reality that has been crafted. One never sees the world the same way again. The Devil is the father of the lie and a master at deception. It will all be exposed. People in the new world will be stunned at the things they thought were true as presented. History is revised as it is written. In real time.
 

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I highly recommend reading all the parts. They are very well done. He is just getting started. Incredible compilation of great photos too, especially if viewed on a laptop. Also, quite well written and great humor. Very entertaining. He covers so many topics, in detail, any one of which blows the narrative out of the water. My personal theory is that the "civilian space program" has just been a cover for all the military and covert activity in space. I would not be surprised if there are a lot of dead bodies floating around up there from failed missions. Maybe even bodies from crafts that crashed on the moon. Who knows. Any endeavor as complex as space exploration would have a lot of trial and error and loss of life.

That is part of how ridiculous the narrative is. I mean we have Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon talking on the phone, from the White House to the men on the moon, blathering on about world peace. OK.

There is a great older documentary about the CIA overthrow of a "banana republic" using a fake revolution, imaginary army, radio broadcasts, planes dropping leaflets, etc. All to accomplish 2 goals: 1) Return control of the land to Chiquita Banana Co. and 2) to get rid of the Soviet sympathetic government. At the end of the documentary, we see Richard Nixon (as a Senator? on a special committee) on stage blathering on about keeping the world safe from communism.......the whole thing was an agency "operation." All the alleged trips to the moon took place during Nixon's presidency. Then they folded shop, because it was "too expensive."

Oh, and McGowan has other great stuff. The Lookout Mountain stuff is mind-blowing.........the whole 1960's flower power, LSD, music scene, etc. is all tightly connected with military intelligence etc. Nothing in our "history" has been as it is presented to the public. Once one peers under a few rocks, on a deep enough level, one gets a clearer picture of the false reality that has been crafted. One never sees the world the same way again. The Devil is the father of the lie and a master at deception. It will all be exposed. People in the new world will be stunned at the things they thought were true as presented. History is revised as it is written. In real time.
I’ll look into the other parts Joe.
Thanks.
Did you ever see the eighties movie Capricorn one?
 
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I’ll look into the other parts Joe.
Thanks.
Did you ever see the eighties movie Capricorn one?
Yeah. They like to shove it in your face. The idea that if you can just get it out to the media, the entire thing gets exposed. LOL. That was the punchline in the movie. The heros had to get it to the media....(reality is if you bring something real and sensitive to the media, not only will it not be shown to the public, but you will likely get yourself killed.) And O.J. ..... too much. 😂 There was a Bond movie where he stumbles upon a set where they are filming staged moon surface shots.....fake lunar mountain backdrops and all....Bond even hides behind a fake mountain.....it is sure that stuff like this is an inside joke to those that know how the world really works....then Bond escapes in a moon buggy.........🤣
 

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To this day, the whole scenario of what happened down there is a false narrative, even in the alt. media.
I am so glad you posted this. I had heard something about Jim Jones being CIA but couldn't remember where and also about most of the people being killed by bullets. Just goes to show how much they all lie! Shouldn't be a surprise though if we really beleive Sata the father of the lie, controls things!
 

Nomex

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papa Bush was down in Dallas
He was also involved in the Bay of Pigs scandal. I forget most of the details now, but there was some island down there, (not Cuba ;)) if I remember right, where the staging took place, and a ship that was used that was called the "Barbara" was used which coincidently was Bush Sr.'s wifes name, and he had a plane named Barbara. Something to that effect, plus Bush was later head of the CIA but supposedly had never been in the CIA, but they found in public records a George Bush listed in CIA employ the same time Bush Sr would have been in the CIA, and the official answer, "that's a different George Bush". These people are not even trying. I should post about Obama's fake birth certificate...maybe make a thread instead of continuing to hijack this one.
 
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Look's like to can watch it for free online. https://archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision_201610
I'm amazed it is on the net. Thanks for the link. Another reason they will pull the plug on the old internet to try and memory-hole it. The Jonestown stuff left me numb for days. The RFK info is quite incredible as well. Sirhan Sirhan is still in prison, and has no memory of the event. There were way more bullets than his gun held. The death shot was inches from his head, and from behind/next to him. LA police later destroyed key evidence.
 
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I'm going to check this out too, already have it up in another browser. :) I made another thread so I suggest lets take this over there!
Thanks Nomex. Let's take it over there. And when Ireneo has an update as to what the brothers and CO do with him, he can let us know on this thread he started. Good idea. :)
 

kenmuldoon55

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He was also involved in the Bay of Pigs scandal. I forget most of the details now, but there was some island down there, (not Cuba ;)) if I remember right, where the staging took place, and a ship that was used that was called the "Barbara" was used which coincidently was Bush Sr.'s wifes name, and he had a plane named Barbara. Something to that effect, plus Bush was later head of the CIA but supposedly had never been in the CIA, but they found in public records a George Bush listed in CIA employ the same time Bush Sr would have been in the CIA, and the official answer, "that's a different George Bush". These people are not even trying. I should post about Obama's fake birth certificate...maybe make a thread instead of continuing to hijack this one.
The U S cut and ran on that one leaving the spearhead personnel of the operation to be captured and subsequently twist in the wind.
Probably executed by Castro.
That would be the U S method of operation up to the present day.
Cut and run and leave your allies to the head cutters.
These cowards think their gonna stand up to Russia or China, what a joke.
If they try you can bet when they realize their military is no match for the battle hardened Russians, it will escalate to nuclear war rather quickly.
 
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Proverbs 14 v 15

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he praises your letter, says his wife doesn’t feel comfortable in “service” because of how other JWs praise the GB all the time. when ireneo is around JWs doing that he changes the subject. He says if someone wrote a letter like that in his congregation they would make an example of you immediately.

same in mine i think. everything comes down to whether you think the GB is directed by God and is the FADS or not. That’s basically defines the current iteration of JWs nowadays- how they view the GB.
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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he praises your letter, says his wife doesn’t feel comfortable in “service” because of how other JWs praise the GB all the time. when ireneo is around JWs doing that he changes the subject. He says if someone wrote a letter like that in his congregation they would make an example of you immediately.

same in mine i think. everything comes down to whether you think the GB is directed by God and is the FADS or not. That’s basically defines the current iteration of JWs nowadays- how they view the GB.
The February 2017 Watchtower says that the GB are not infallible, and that they've made mistakes in the past, doctrinally and in organisational DIRECTION. So maybe this is one of those times? We'll soon find out 🙂
 

יהוה_saves

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The February 2017 Watchtower says that the GB are not infallible, and that they've made mistakes in the past, doctrinally and in organisational DIRECTION. So maybe this is one of those times? We'll soon find out 🙂
it’s funny that the GB admits to fallibility and admits to being uninspired with regard to matters of doctrine and organization (whatever that means) but the GB says nothing of its massive fallibility in matters of prophecy- where is êrrs the absolute most.

Hey GB! Do you err in matters of prophecy? If so, where and how?
 

SusanB

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The February 2017 Watchtower says that the GB are not infallible, and that they've made mistakes in the past, doctrinally and in organisational DIRECTION. So maybe this is one of those times? We'll soon find out 🙂
It is true that they say they are not infallible but it is also true that they encourage blind faith in their direction. That is double talk and being deceitful. And, we can add that they do not (and have not) apologize for directing those under their care in the wrong direction. If they truly taught they are not infallible they would have left medical decisions to each individual as was their own teaching that they promoted before COVID. They are the ones who have changed direction with no explanation other than Jehovah is directing them.

It is the same with masks. They say they are not required, but in many of the congregations, the pressure is intense to wear one. I have even been told verbally by an Elder’s wife that it IS required to wear a mask in my local congregation. Again, more deception.

Psalm 5:6: “You will destroy those who speak lies. Jehovah detests violent and deceptive people.”

Revelation 2:2: “‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars.”


I’ve attended Zoom meetings where before the meeting an anointed sister acknowledged that it is publicly stated that the vaccine is an individual choice, but that a spiritual person will use wisdom and it is using wisdom to get vaccinated. That is coercion. If the vaccine is wisdom from Jehovah, just say so plainly. When has Jehovah ever given life saving instructions in a cryptic manner? If this isn’t a clear example of the ”Emperor has no clothes” I don’t know what is.
 
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Hi Driven, hope all is well for you and your husband. I'm surprised the elders haven't brought the hammer down on you guys yet.
Tells me your not rocking the boat. Their boat is sinking into darkness, rocking it wouldn't matter. They will line up with WEF and the like when the time comes.
 

SusanB

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Hi Driven, hope all is well for you and your husband. I'm surprised the elders haven't brought the hammer down on you guys yet.
Tells me your not rocking the boat. Their boat is sinking into darkness, rocking it wouldn't matter. They will line up with WEF and the like when the time comes.
Hi Brother KevinB. I’m happy to see you back on the forum. Thanks for the interaction. Take care.
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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it’s funny that the GB admits to fallibility and admits to being uninspired with regard to matters of doctrine and organization (whatever that means) but the GB says nothing of its massive fallibility in matters of prophecy- where is êrrs the absolute most.

Hey GB! Do you err in matters of prophecy? If so, where and how?
As far as prophecy is concerned, I'm happy with the fact that it's the light getting brighter..
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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It is true that they say they are not infallible but it is also true that they encourage blind faith in their direction. That is double talk and being deceitful. And, we can add that they do not (and have not) apologize for directing those under their care in the wrong direction. If they truly taught they are not infallible they would have left medical decisions to each individual as was their own teaching that they promoted before COVID. They are the ones who have changed direction with no explanation other than Jehovah is directing them.

It is the same with masks. They say they are not required, but in many of the congregations, the pressure is intense to wear one. I have even been told verbally by an Elder’s wife that it IS required to wear a mask in my local congregation. Again, more deception.

Psalm 5:6: “You will destroy those who speak lies. Jehovah detests violent and deceptive people.”

Revelation 2:2: “‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot tolerate bad men, and that you put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them to be liars.”


I’ve attended Zoom meetings where before the meeting an anointed sister acknowledged that it is publicly stated that the vaccine is an individual choice, but that a spiritual person will use wisdom and it is using wisdom to get vaccinated. That is coercion. If the vaccine is wisdom from Jehovah, just say so plainly. When has Jehovah ever given life saving instructions in a cryptic manner? If this isn’t a clear example of the ”Emperor has no clothes” I don’t know what is.
Yes, I agree with you. The point I made about the 2017 Watchtower is that they admit they are infallible and have sometimes been wrong in organisational DIRECTION and that this jab business could quite possibly turn out to be another mistake on direction. Whenever I've pointed anyone to this Watchtower, everything goes silent! Weird, to say the least.. but then it's not much different to pointing jabbed people in the world to information about what's in the jabs, they'd rather not know because it's scary!
 
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