Use of emblems only for anointed?

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The God Pill

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There weren't two classes of Christians in the first century. Everyone who was baptized was anointed and hence under the new covenant. But that is not the case today. Jesus said he had other sheep whom he was going to bring. Those who come out of the tribulation are not anointed and hence not direct participants in the new covenant. The wine and bread are emblems of the covenant of which Christ is the mediator.
I'm inclined to agree on the memorial while the passover was for all the israelites and could lead people to more universalistic perceptions of the Lord's evening meal the sacrificed goat of the day of atonement that represented christ was for the priests only. Also christ established use of bread and wine but not a passover lamb. bread (there was the showbread in temple) and wine (since it symbolizes blood) together seem to have significant priestly connotations.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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There weren't two classes of Christians in the first century. Everyone who was baptized was anointed and hence under the new covenant. But that is not the case today. Jesus said he had other sheep whom he was going to bring. Those who come out of the tribulation are not anointed and hence not direct participants in the new covenant. The wine and bread are emblems of the covenant of which Christ is the mediator.
This is where I am not seeing eye to eye on. The mediator and the partaking. Based on scripture there is one mediator for all mankind. Those who are baptized in truth and have attained accurate knowledge of truth, those who are called who received the message of truth abd it has rooted within their hearts and bears fine fruit those who bear His name who sanctify themselves in the word of Jehovah and have baptized and truly repented their previous life and have put on the new personality whom following in Jesus footsteps living in Spirit not in the flesh have the seed of truth planted deep in their heart, who obey the two greatest commands each is love for God and for one another. Anyone who does not love does not have the Father and does not know Jehovah. Love is not present within the ORG. Those who seeds have grown infine soil and have received wisdom from Jehovah are granted the opportunity to be part of the annointed. None are sealed only called at this point. Are any of us truly annointed yet? No we are not until we are sealed. Those leaders in WT certainly are not. I think those on here have a far better chance if receiving full approval from Jehovah then those still within. They are either still in spiritual darkness because they are not from the light they are from Satan and the truth us not in them they are slaves for money not God or they are in because they don't want to lose family and like Jesus said anyone who loves their mother or father more than him does not have him. Many protect pedophiles because they dont want to face the unscriptual shunning consequence hence why they don't speak out. They are not choosing Jesus or the commands of showing Love for God his standards or for their neighbour. I am also not seeing in scripture where it says two classes are under the new covenant. Also the scripture says one mediator for all mankind not just the annointed. I agree with all your prophetic insight pretty much everything you have written just have trouble seeing the Scriptures to back up the covenant only for the annointed and Jesus only being mediator for the announted class. I will continue to pray on it and if I am wrong about it Jehovah will show me.
 

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This is where I am not seeing eye to eye on. The mediator and the partaking. Based on scripture there is one mediator for all mankind. Those who are baptized in truth and have attained accurate knowledge of truth, those who are called who received the message of truth abd it has rooted within their hearts and bears fine fruit those who bear His name who sanctify themselves in the word of Jehovah and have baptized and truly repented their previous life and have put on the new personality whom following in Jesus footsteps living in Spirit not in the flesh have the seed of truth planted deep in their heart, who obey the two greatest commands each is love for God and for one another. Anyone who does not love does not have the Father and does not know Jehovah. Love is not present within the ORG. Those who seeds have grown infine soil and have received wisdom from Jehovah are granted the opportunity to be part of the annointed. None are sealed only called at this point. Are any of us truly annointed yet? No we are not until we are sealed. Those leaders in WT certainly are not. I think those on here have a far better chance if receiving full approval from Jehovah then those still within. They are either still in spiritual darkness because they are not from the light they are from Satan and the truth us not in them they are slaves for money not God or they are in because they don't want to lose family and like Jesus said anyone who loves their mother or father more than him does not have him. Many protect pedophiles because they dont want to face the unscriptual shunning consequence hence why they don't speak out. They are not choosing Jesus or the commands of showing Love for God his standards or for their neighbour. I am also not seeing in scripture where it says two classes are under the new covenant. Also the scripture says one mediator for all mankind not just the annointed. I agree with all your prophetic insight pretty much everything you have written just have trouble seeing the Scriptures to back up the covenant only for the annointed and Jesus only being mediator for the announted class. I will continue to pray on it and if I am wrong about it Jehovah will show me.
Jesus is not the mediator for mankind. He is the mediator of a new covenant. People from all races of mankind are in that new covenant by virtue of their being anointed. Actually, though, and I intend to write an article on the Jeremiah series, the new covenant is not concluded until Christ returns. Some of those who are anointed will be thrown out. And those who remain will have to walk through fire.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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Jesus is not the mediator for mankind. He is the mediator of a new covenant. People from all races of mankind are in that new covenant by virtue of their being anointed. Actually, though, and I intend to write an article on the Jeremiah series, the new covenant is not concluded until Christ returns. Some of those who are anointed will be thrown out. And those who remain will have to walk through fire.
I look forward to reading it. I am just going based on scripture. One scripture does say about Jesus bring mediator of the New covenant. I am just confused because other scriptures say he is mediator for all. One mediator that enables us to go to Jehovah in prayer. None of us could even approach Jehovahs Holy throne without Jesus.

A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
Galatians 3:20

This scripture implies he is mediator for ALL mankind.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

Then this scripture where I do see basis for Jesus being mediator foe the new covenant

Hebrews 9
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

But aren't all Jehovahs people under the new covenant? Are we not all purchased and have equal opportunity to be annointed if Jehovah so chooses? None are sealed yet and thise who do partake at the assembly are Satanists at least thise at the top. Wouldn't Jehovah approve of those partaking who have awoken to the truth turned to Him abd have put their full faith abd trust in him? Jehovahs Holy Spirit is active in those who worship him in SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
 

White Stone

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This is where I am not seeing eye to eye on. The mediator and the partaking. Based on scripture there is one mediator for all mankind. Those who are baptized in truth and have attained accurate knowledge of truth, those who are called who received the message of truth abd it has rooted within their hearts and bears fine fruit those who bear His name who sanctify themselves in the word of Jehovah and have baptized and truly repented their previous life and have put on the new personality whom following in Jesus footsteps living in Spirit not in the flesh have the seed of truth planted deep in their heart, who obey the two greatest commands each is love for God and for one another. Anyone who does not love does not have the Father and does not know Jehovah. Love is not present within the ORG. Those who seeds have grown infine soil and have received wisdom from Jehovah are granted the opportunity to be part of the annointed. None are sealed only called at this point. Are any of us truly annointed yet? No we are not until we are sealed. Those leaders in WT certainly are not. I think those on here have a far better chance if receiving full approval from Jehovah then those still within. They are either still in spiritual darkness because they are not from the light they are from Satan and the truth us not in them they are slaves for money not God or they are in because they don't want to lose family and like Jesus said anyone who loves their mother or father more than him does not have him. Many protect pedophiles because they dont want to face the unscriptual shunning consequence hence why they don't speak out. They are not choosing Jesus or the commands of showing Love for God his standards or for their neighbour. I am also not seeing in scripture where it says two classes are under the new covenant. Also the scripture says one mediator for all mankind not just the annointed. I agree with all your prophetic insight pretty much everything you have written just have trouble seeing the Scriptures to back up the covenant only for the annointed and Jesus only being mediator for the announted class. I will continue to pray on it and if I am wrong about it Jehovah will show me.​
I think there is a misunderstanding about the final sealing. For example scripture says:

Ephesians 1:13,14 “But you also hoped in him after you heard the word of truth, the good news about your salvation. After you believed, you were sealed by means of him with the promised holy spirit, which is a token in advance of our inheritance, for the purpose of releasing God’s own possession by a ransom, to his glorious praise.”
2 Corinthians 1:21,22 “But the one who guarantees that you and we belong to Christ and the one who anointed us is God. He has also put his seal on us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in our hearts.”
Ephesians 4:30 “Also, do not be grieving God’s holy spirit, with which you have been sealed for a day of releasing by ransom.”
So there is already a sealing through the spirit when one is anointed. The sealing becomes permanent when one dies faithfully, that is why the angel in Revelation says:

Revelation 7:3 “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”
When the sealing is complete according to Revelation, then immediately starts Armageddon.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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Ephesians 1:13,14 “But you also hoped in him after you heard the word of truth, the good news about your salvation. After you believed, you were sealed by means of him with the promised holy spirit, which is a token in advance of our inheritance, for the purpose of releasing God’s own possession by a ransom, to his glorious praise.”2 Corinthians 1:21,22 “But the one who guarantees that you and we belong to Christ and the one who anointed us is God. He has also put his seal on us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in our hearts.”
I am not confused about thise Scriptures at all as I have the spirit of Jehovahs Holy Spirit firmly in my heart 🙏
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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As an anointing or guidance? If anointing then partake for his remembrance, there is no reason not to partake “unless you are disapproved.”(2 Corinthians 13:5)
This is why I say all need to examine themselves and pray beforehand. If you are giving Jehovah exclusive devotion, trust love and loyalty is to Him even to the death then I don't see why Jehivah would disapprove of anyone with that kind of Love for Him and the Truth. Noone is sealed yet the anointing of His Holy Spurit is upon all who seek him not only in word but in deed and with REAL FAITH...those who are no longer in darkness but have been brought into the light as he saw our heart condition and our love for Him and the truth...He gives His Holy Spirit and His undeserved kindness love and mercy on those who truly seek Him and are devoted to Him and Him alone.
 

evw

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of the covenant of which Christ is the mediator
Is it true that you said this elsewhere? That Christ is the mediator between the anointed and Jehovah (which I understand) but does this mean, that He is not a mediator for the other sheep? Can you please explain that for me?
 

SusanB

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Is it true that you said this elsewhere? That Christ is the mediator between the anointed and Jehovah (which I understand) but does this mean, that He is not a mediator for the other sheep? Can you please explain that for me?
You could search the e-watchman site. I think RK already did an article or video on it. What I seem to recall is that there are 2 covenants. One between Jehovah and Jesus for a Kingdom and the “New Covenant” was between Jesus and the anointed to share in the Kingship.

Luke 22:28-30: “However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.”

I might not have this exactly correct and I’d have to research it to be sure I am explaining it correctly.

And, I should add that the “other sheep” are beneficiaries of the New Covenant but they are not participants in it. Like with a will. The Executor of the Will doles out the benefits and sometimes the beneficiaries have no idea who is getting what until the Executor completes the actions.

Edited to see RK’s answer below. This corrects my comment. I should have not commented because I just woke up after driving until 1 am and my brain has not yet engaged. Plus some subjects I just need a reminder on because I don’t always have the details on instant recall.
 
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Is it true that you said this elsewhere? That Christ is the mediator between the anointed and Jehovah (which I understand) but does this mean, that He is not a mediator for the other sheep? Can you please explain that for me?
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. The new covenant is between Jehovah and "the Israel of God," made up of anointed persons. The purpose of the new covenant is to declare anointed persons to be absolutely sinless, and perfect, which is what it means to be declared righteous. Persons who reside on earth don't need to be credited with perfection since they will have 1,000 years to gradually be uplifted out of sin and attain perfection.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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The covenant is between Jehovah and all his flock the nation if Isreal the seed of Abraham. We are scattered all over the place but one day all Jehovahs faithful worshippers will be together without Satan and his puppets taiinting the air with their putrid aura. until Jesus comes the evil remain among the faithful. Even the faithful at this point can be mislead and those still within deeply entrenched in WT, those so called chosen ones in the WT and elsewhere partake as if they Jehovah approves of their vile deeds and doesn't see their nakedness and wicked heart. They look down on the so called other sheep aka slaves to the so called masters as if they are worthy and the others are not is to say the least nauseating. My master is Jesus as He is King granted authority by no other then Jehovah God. Those haughty ones who act as if they have received the crown will have to answer to Jehovah for that. As far as the mediator there is scriptual basis that Jesus is mediator for ALL. Scripture says it and if clarification could be made on that particular scripture if would be appreciated. As for The partaking that has to be a spiritually conscience decision and you have to be certain you meet the requirements. Until you are sealed noone truly knows if they will be part of the annointed or the flock. The only basis we can discern whether or not we partake is through careful prayer and looking within oneself. Are you living in truth with Jehovahs Holy Spirit guiding your life and following Jesus commands? Have you fully repented and are now living in righteousness obviously still imperfect but remaining as unblemished as possible before Jehovah. Until the new covenant is fully established and all have been sealed all those who are in the light, love Jehovah and trust in Him not in man and have Jehovahs Holy Spirit active within them (yes you will know if you do as you will FEEL it actively working within you) the partaking should be prayerfully considered and not just dismissed because of the WT. IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND JEHOVAH!!!
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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Some in this thread need to be careful they aren't going down the Eric Wilson road.
I guess that is directed at me...I have no idea who Eric Wilson is...I go down the narrow road not the Eric Wilson road whoever that is 🤷‍♀️😆...I test every inspired expression to make sure it aligns with Jehovah God's word as that is what I live by. Testing everything once, twice a 1,000 times is wise. Make sure it comes from Jehovah no other!!
 

SusanB

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I agree with the above as far as the new covenant being between the Anointed and it is different for the other sheep. My point is though until Jesus comes no one is sealed the evil remain with the faithful and the sheep with the goats. Even the faithful at this point can be mislead and those still within deeply entrenched in WT, those who are complacent ones who still follow and obey man as ruler rather then God but partake as if they are already sealed then looking down on the so called other sheep aka slaves to the so called masters as if they are worthy and the others are not is to say the least nauseating. My master is Jesus as He is King granted authority by no other then Jehovah God. Those haighty will have to answer for that big time. As far as the mediator there is scriptual basis that Jesus is mediator for ALL. Scripture says it and if clarification could be made on that particular scripture if would be appreciated. As for The partaking that has to be a spiritually conscience decision and you have to be certain you meet the requirements. Until you are sealed noone truly knows if they will be part of the annointed or the flock. The only basis we can discern whether or not we partake is through careful prayer and looking within oneself. Are you living in truth with Jehivahs Holy Spirit guiding your life abd following Jesus commands? Have you fully repented and are now living in righteousness obviously still imperfect but remaining as unblemished as possible before Jehovah. Until the new covenant is fully established and all have been sealed all those who are in the light, love Jehovah and trust in Him not in man and have Jehovahs Holy Spirit active within them (yes you will know of you as you will FEEL it actively working within you) the partaking should be prayerfully considered and not just dismissed fully because of the WT. IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND JEHOVAH!!!
You might want to proof read this. I found it hard to follow your reasoning just because of grammatical errors.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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I will continue with prayer and exercising my freedom of speech and await my King and Redeemer Jesus Christ to sort it all out. Until then 7,000 remain called, not yet sealed, annointed with Holy Spirit active within them but not truly considered part of the faithful discreet class.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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I don’t think anyone here will argue with the above.
That is good because i am not here to argue i am here to upbuild those who share in the same faith and hope in Jehovahs Kingdom promise. It is best to stay open minded and continue to search the scriptures and ask questions to seek better understanding. I do not see real scriptual backing for two covenants however i do understand based on Hebrews chapter 9 scripture of the new covenant being different "special' for the anointed however i also don't fully understand how He is only mediator for the new covenant and not for anyone else even for the sheep based on the scripture on 1 Timothy 2:5. Is the verse not to be understood just as is stated that he is the mediator for all mankind. That is the dilemma i am not fully discerning here. Any further clarification on this?
 
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