War in heaven.

Masterji said:
Wil all demon activity on earth cease when the war in heaven starts?
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I should think the Devil and his demons will have difficulty maintaining control of events on earth during the start of the war and all the way to it's completion: Verse 13 of ch12 conveys a period of confusion on the part of the Devil "Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth...." For him to have lost sight of his position no matter how limited a time could it safely be reasoned that he had no cognizance of his control over earths affairs either? Good question.
 
Watchman said:
Just the opposite. The war in heaven will be reflected on earth when nations rise against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms, or as Revelation states: "Peace will be taken from the earth."
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Just as when Satan tempted Jesus , and knew what the bible had to say about the Angels guarding Jesus , until the time for Jesus to surrender his life , I believe fully that Satan knows what is coming , and has over a period of time put peoples into positions on earth who are like minded to him . Mass depopulation , Chem trails , full of Aluminium , Covid , and so on . These ones are being positioned , ready to really do the work of their God . They have wealth and power , and control the media , as well as many institutions .
 
Masterji said:
Guess I didn't frame the question correctly. Demonic activity is a given.
However, will there be demons down here on earth while the war in heaven is being fought?
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We cannot possibly know how things work in the spirit dimension. Spirits, though, can apparently be in more than one place or space or whatever, at the same time.
 
Revelation 12:7-9, 12
[7] And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, [8] and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. [9] And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
[12] For this reason, rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you with great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
 
Masterji said:
Wil all demon activity on earth cease when the war in heaven starts?
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This raises another question that I have been wondering about for a long time. It has always seemed counter productive to me at least, that Satan starts the Great Tribulation, at least not in the way Jesus describes it, "no flesh would be saved", so now I am wondering, could it be that Satan is distracted by his war in heaven, and he's not "supervising" his minions on earth, and they "botch it", and proceed to blow the whole thing up? Maybe he plans a more "controlled demolition" and it gets away from him, which of course could happen without the distraction of a war he's fighting in heaven...who knows, but it is indeed a thought provoking question, one I don't think we're gonna have to wait much longer to find out...but remember, Luke 21:28 "But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

I think it's important we really meditate on what that means. I was talking to a friend of mine, when Jericho was destroyed they had heard of the miracles of Jehovah, parting the Red Sea, something that had happened some 40 years earlier, yet they were still talking about it. But the point is, the ancient world was aware and eye witnesses of God's Glory and Miracles, to the point they were still talkiing about it in some distant City 40 years later.

Now contrast that with us. None of us, have witnessed ANYTHING miraculous. The best we have is we believe we can credit Jehovah with certain events, but none the less, none of us has actually witnessed any real miracle. But when these things begin to occur, we will have our faith bolstered in a way none of us can imagine. I believe the Remanent will indeed perform miracles, as evidence they have Jehovah's spirit, we will NOT have to "take their word for it." Nobody who was honest, had to take Christ word for it, for those who were eye witnesses they saw the evidence first hand. But then the word of mouth spread. I think that's what's going to happen.
 
Nomex said:
This raises another question that I have been wondering about for a long time. It has always seemed counter productive to me at least, that Satan starts the Great Tribulation, at least not in the way Jesus describes it, "no flesh would be saved", so now I am wondering, could it be that Satan is distracted by his war in heaven, and he's not "supervising" his minions on earth, and they "botch it", and proceed to blow the whole thing up? Maybe he plans a more "controlled demolition" and it gets away from him, which of course could happen without the distraction of a war he's fighting in heaven...who knows, but it is indeed a thought provoking question, one I don't think we're gonna have to wait much longer to find out...but remember, Luke 21:28 "But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

I think it's important we really meditate on what that means. I was talking to a friend of mine, when Jericho was destroyed they had heard of the miracles of Jehovah, parting the Red Sea, something that had happened some 40 years earlier, yet they were still talking about it. But the point is, the ancient world was aware and eye witnesses of God's Glory and Miracles, to the point they were still talkiing about it in some distant City 40 years later.

Now contrast that with us. None of us, have witnessed ANYTHING miraculous. The best we have is we believe we can credit Jehovah with certain events, but none the less, none of us has actually witnessed any real miracle. But when these things begin to occur, we will have our faith bolstered in a way none of us can imagine. I believe the Remanent will indeed perform miracles, as evidence they have Jehovah's spirit, we will NOT have to "take their word for it." Nobody who was honest, had to take Christ word for it, for those who were eye witnesses they saw the evidence first hand. But then the word of mouth spread. I think that's what's going to happen.
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Me too Nomex! It's going to be exciting and amazing as well as scary. I think about the Israelites in Egypt, how the first 3 of Jehovah's " miraculous punishments" affected the Israelites too, must've been really tough going, especially knowing it was from their God, but, the next 7 didn't touch them, if I remember correctly, they even stood in the daylight when Jehovah plunged the Egyptians into darkness. We can learn sooooo much from that whole account 😍
 
Masterji said:
Guess I didn't frame the question correctly. Demonic activity is a given.
However, will there be demons down here on earth while the war in heaven is being fought?
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Demons are coming and going now, they're just not allowed to materialize human form, it won't be any different when war breaks out in heaven, or does said war preclude demons from the earth...?
 
Watchman said:
We cannot possibly know how things work in the spirit dimension. Spirits, though, can apparently be in more than one place or space or whatever, at the same time.
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Do you mean a demon here at the time a demon is there, or a demon here and there at the same time?? If the second...mmm.
 
Seventy6 said:
Do you mean a demon here at the time a demon is there, or a demon here and there at the same time?? If the second...mmm.
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Omnipresent??
Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name, he is there. Many are gathered at the same time in many places around the world so he and supposedly all angels- faithful or fallen- can be everywhere at once. A concept my brain can't fathom. 🙃
 
Patricia said:
Omnipresent??
Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name, he is there. Many are gathered at the same time in many places around the world so he and supposedly all angels- faithful or fallen- can be everywhere at once. A concept my brain can't fathom. 🙃
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The "everywhere at the same time" concept is certainly hard to fathom, The scriptures do say as above, however comma in what sense is he (Jesus ) there? Jesus also said "I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things", Same question, in what sense?
 
Seventy6 said:
The "everywhere at the same time" concept is certainly hard to fathom, The scriptures do say as above, however comma in what sense is he (Jesus ) there? Jesus also said "I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things", Same question, in what sense?
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🤷‍♀️ Paul said that there is a spiritual "body." But what is that body? Our bodies are limited, encapsulated in skin. Is a spiritual body confined to a certain amount of space? All the prophets that had visions of the spirit realm described the angels and Jehovah using human or animal likenesses. I don't think that to be literally what their bodies are like. So not understanding what their bodies are like, I can't say in what sense or how they do what they do. And I'm not even certain that all angels/demons can be omnipresent.

In what sense is Jesus present with us? Silly, in a spiritual one. Hehehe , I'm joking. Guiding us, helping us in whatever way we need, be it courage or strength, helping us recall a scripture when we need it, maybe helping us stay awake during the Watchtower study, lol.

Have you ever felt his presence?
I can't say for sure that I have. There have been probably hundreds of times when I've thought there was something supernatural about an incident. But maybe I'm just a little crazy.

I don't think we can know how the spirit realm works at this point. Hopefully we will soon find out the answers to these questions.
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Watchman said:
We cannot possibly know how things work in the spirit dimension. Spirits, though, can apparently be in more than one place or space or whatever, at the same time.
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Strange that you should mention that - because that is precisely how science indicates how the brain can make choices through the process of quantum physics - being in two places at the same time in that life can influence the “yes/no” as to right and wrong along with all other questions. Physics can provide choices to the mind through the processes of expression in the brain. If we look at other creatures, the same choices are not available to them. They follow the law of nature set for them. The fact that we have choice is the process of how a spirit life can possess the body of another through this process. Assuming of course that one accepts the “theory” that life is separate from the body. ( Roger Penrose. Shadows of the Mind 1994).
 
Patricia said:
🤷‍♀️ Paul said that there is a spiritual "body." But what is that body? Our bodies are limited, encapsulated in skin. Is a spiritual body confined to a certain amount of space? All the prophets that had visions of the spirit realm described the angels and Jehovah using human or animal likenesses. I don't think that to be literally what their bodies are like. So not understanding what their bodies are like, I can't say in what sense or how they do what they do. And I'm not even certain that all angels/demons can be omnipresent.

In what sense is Jesus present with us? Silly, in a spiritual one. Hehehe , I'm joking. Guiding us, helping us in whatever way we need, be it courage or strength, helping us recall a scripture when we need it, maybe helping us stay awake during the Watchtower study, lol.

Have you ever felt his presence?
I can't say for sure that I have. There have been probably hundreds of times when I've thought there was something supernatural about an incident. But maybe I'm just a little crazy.

I don't think we can know how the spirit realm works at this point. Hopefully we will soon find out the answers to these questions.
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I was thinking similar to you, ( via holy spirit ), that way he can be with a group over there gathering in his name and a group over here at the same time, but does that mean
he is everywhere at the same time? He can read hearts and minds but does he need to be here to read our hearts and minds? Have I ever felt his presence? That sounds like a wannabe born again. I'll plead the 5th on that one.

I will say that I've sensed stuff, to find out later that what I sensed was on the money. We sure don't know how the spirit realm works, we may never, unless we're for that place. It has been said that "quantum physics is spiritual" whatever that means?
 
I have wondered what war in heaven would look like. I assume it would be angel against former angel. I also assume that Jesus got an upgrade when Jehovah resurrected him. My gut tells me it won't be much of a battle. How many angels have been biding their time, waiting for the green light? No, I imagine this happening quickly.
 
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