Watchtower Corruption Reaches New Lows

Revvzone said:
That's a nice thought. Unfortunately, according to God's word,
Ignorance alone does not merit salvation.
The Bible presents salvation at Armageddon as tied to knowing and calling on Jehovah (God) in faith; those who persistently, willfully reject and avoid and who have never made an effeort to respond to God’s revealed message are not saved then.
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Well, one thing's for sure, we'll all find out, one way or the other, on the day 👍 meanwhile, I've never preached to anyone interested in listening to what the Bible has to say, that Jehovah is going to slaughter everyone who's not a JW at Armageddon like the Watchtower has always done. That teaching does no good for anyone but Satan.
 
a watcher said:
Proverbs 14 v 15 is my 'letter of recommendation'. I finally got one although I had to 'go across the pond' to get her.
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Keep up the good work watcher 😀 although didn't you say they finally chucked you out of Reddit? No freedom of speech over there either 🙄
 
a watcher said:
Yes, r/exjw permanently banned me late last year, but I didn't care. I had accomplished my purpose there; I found you.❤️
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So they do the exact same thing they accuse the Watchtower of doing.. blind as bats aren't they? Can't wait to meet up in God's new world, and everyone else on here. Think we're all going to have some amazing stories to relate 😃
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Yes, they will, if I've learned correctly from Robert's book, when Jehovah cuts short the great tribulation and his kingdom starts ruling concurrently with the Beast system, there's going to be a period of 42 months where everyone will have the chance to choose to either take the Beasts "mark" (whatever that's going to be) and live under Satan's rulership, or refuse the mark and take sides with Jehovah's kingdom, along with a lot of suffering. Obviously, there's a lot more to it than that but the point is, some people might have a change of heart and "take hold of the skirt of a jew" (the 7000 annointed ones, Jesus' brothers) because they'll recognise that God is with them 😃
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Revvzone said:
To play devils advocate. Jehovahs says he will destroy those who do not know him. Jesus said he will dismiss those he never knew. The question is, how long will the separation of the sheep and goats last? Will Christ judge regular people up until the last moment? We know that is his intent for the chosen to receive the crown of life. What of the rest of humanity? Not to mention according to scripture, will be minus a quarter of earth's population. It's a tuff call changing sides at the last moment im not sure that's in the rule book...
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This is why it is the heart that is judged, primarily. It’s not so much about taking sides, but why. “Knowing Jehovah” is not primarily about how much one knows about the mechanics of Truth, but how one responds to what they do know of the truth - within the heart. Jehovah wishes to be loved for whom he is. Love of what one “knows” (understands, has faith of) is the determining factor - the love of life for itself, is not the determining factor.

Neither would the choice be a tough one, because it would be based upon the realisation of the facts as the individual sees (understands) it to be, and thus based upon love of such, not hope of life; that one being able to clearly see their creator, His purpose, and the Satanic offering - as clearly as did Jesus when offered all the kingdoms of the earth in exchange for just one act of worship.

Essentially, there is a ‘smaller’ example today in what we understand of the dissolution of watchtower before our very eyes, yet it is the same issue. The ex-JW sites are littered with disaffected witnesses who have gone off to live their life of apparent freedom in the world. The search for truth has left them upon watchtowers shores. Then there are those that go on seeking. What’s the difference when the two kingdoms are present upon earth?

There is another example to that mirrors the original ethos of intent within watchtower. They printed books by the million and magazines, and did the preaching work world wide. The same task is evident today by another under our very feet with one book, and a world wide potential and provision of the Internet. One only has to be looking and press a key on a keyboard. Thus the illustration in the Bible is not one of quantity, but of quality, and the quality is found in the response of the heart, not in numbers, not in time, but of and in love of what is righteous. The gate is open until it is shut. The wage is the same for all who listen, learn and understand, just as the parable notes of the ones that began work at the the beginning of the day and sweated through the heat, but are paid the same as those that came late in the day.
 
When ex jw accounts greatly outnumber the organization's reach on social media algorithms they probably felt like they needed to somewhat participate at least.
And those that are witnesses online are discouraged to do online debates or teaching sessions. That felt so weak and cowardly, honestly. So now they are realizing the conundrum they put themselves in.
 
Soul Sage said:
When ex jw accounts greatly outnumber the organization's reach on social media algorithms they probably felt like they needed to somewhat participate at least.
And those that are witnesses online are discouraged to do online debates or teaching sessions. That felt so weak and cowardly, honestly. So now they are realizing the conundrum they put themselves in.
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Yet once again, it came out in last week's Watchtower study: oftentimes, the best thing to do when we are being verbally attacked for our beliefs is just to say nothing at all.. pot, kettle, black comes to mind..
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Yet once again, it came out in last week's Watchtower study: oftentimes, the best thing to do when we are being verbally attacked for our beliefs is just to say nothing at all.. pot, kettle, black comes to mind..
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Jesus and his apostles were probably called every vile name under the sun when they preached in public. They didn't wimp out and cower. They boldly preached regardless of those challenges.

Yet, such boldness is discouraged. Gatekeeping the preaching work only stilfes the potential of the preaching work. I remember that Watchtower study.

It's true that you might not win a debate with that person you are debating with but you can sway the audience that is listening to both arguments. That's the nature of a debate. Learning from educated arguments and sharpening your talking points in the practice of it.
 
Soul Sage said:
Jesus and his apostles were probably called every vile name under the sun when they preached in public. They didn't wimp out and cower. They boldly preached regardless of those challenges.

Yet, such boldness is discouraged. Gatekeeping the preaching work only stilfes the potential of the preaching work. I remember that Watchtower study.

It's true that you might not win a debate with that person you are debating with but you can sway the audience that is listening to both arguments. That's the nature of a debate. Learning from educated arguments and sharpening your talking points in the practice of it.
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I'm thinking more about the various court cases around the world where they try and stop so called apostates "complaining" about the Watchtower. A recent one was in Spain, and they lost. Or even the big one they're bragging on their tick tock and Instagram accounts, about "winning" in Norway. Norway hadn't taken away their rights to practice their religion, only their right to grant money. No way would Jesus and his apostles have fought in the highest court of the land for money. Actually, maybe Judas might have!
 
Soul Sage said:
When ex jw accounts greatly outnumber the organization's reach on social media algorithms they probably felt like they needed to somewhat participate at least.
And those that are witnesses online are discouraged to do online debates or teaching sessions. That felt so weak and cowardly, honestly. So now they are realizing the conundrum they put themselves in.
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But is it not so that watchtower headquarters do all their preaching and ‘debating’ on line? Surely the sheep should be following their example?
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
But is it not so that watchtower headquarters do all their preaching and ‘debating’ on line? Surely the sheep should be following their example?
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But the tick tock and Instagram accounts they've set up have comments switched off, so no debating allowed! I don't believe that them setting up these social media accounts is for the secular world to read the articles they're putting up, because the secular world can read these articles on JW.org, there's a section especially FOR the secular world. I believe they've set them up to gaslight the brothers and sisters even more, and to encourage them to set up their own tick tock and Instagram accounts and "follow" the jw.org accounts, which will invariably lead the brothers and sisters being bombarded with so called apostate information, leading to even more cracks and divisions in their faith and amongst themselves and more fulfillment of the scripture about the love of the greater number growing cold. Who needs "apostates" when we've got the Watchtower eh? 🙃
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
But the tick tock and Instagram accounts they've set up have comments switched off, so no debating allowed! I don't believe that them setting up these social media accounts is for the secular world to read the articles they're putting up, because the secular world can read these articles on JW.org, there's a section especially FOR the secular world. I believe they've set them up to gaslight the brothers and sisters even more, and to encourage them to set up their own tick tock and Instagram accounts and "follow" the jw.org accounts, which will invariably lead the brothers and sisters being bombarded with so called apostate information, leading to even more cracks and divisions in their faith and amongst themselves and more fulfillment of the scripture about the love of the greater number growing cold. Who needs "apostates" when we've got the Watchtower eh? 🙃
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I see. I do not have either accounts so I don’t really understand what’s going on. I’m still horrified at the issues I faced way back when without having to put myself through it again. I feel sorry for those trapped within the sluice gates of watchtower - gaslit by them and the world together! Not a nice place to be. ☹️
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I see. I do not have either accounts so I don’t really understand what’s going on. I’m still horrified at the issues I faced way back when without having to put myself through it again. I feel sorry for those trapped within the sluice gates of watchtower - gaslit by them and the world together! Not a nice place to be. ☹️
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I used to have Instagram and Facebook accounts till 2020, then when I saw the authorities cracking down hard on people who were speaking the truth about convid and the injections I shut my accounts down. What's the point in having social media accounts if you can't speak what you believe is the truth eh? If you're only allowed to say what aligns with the authorities agenda or narrative then you might just as well not have the accounts in the first place 🫣
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
I used to have Instagram and Facebook accounts till 2020, then when I saw the authorities cracking down hard on people who were speaking the truth about convid and the injections I shut my accounts down. What's the point in having social media accounts if you can't speak what you believe is the truth eh? If you're only allowed to say what aligns with the authorities agenda or narrative then you might just as well not have the accounts in the first place 🫣
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Welcome to North Korea, China, Russia, etc etc, Birmingham……. We are okay darn sowf, there are no police here anymore and our member of parliament is in his 80’s and hasn’t been seen for years. I have a hankering to move to America and buy a nice house in one of their ghost towns where the nearest form of life is family dollar store about two days drive away…..or, build myself a shack in the blue ridge mountains and go “Walton’s”…….’Goodnight Mary-Ellen, Good night John-Boy…..” 🎼🎼🎼🎼 (may brew my own “recipe” too ! ! )
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Welcome to North Korea, China, Russia, etc etc, Birmingham……. We are okay darn sowf, there are no police here anymore and our member of parliament is in his 80’s and hasn’t been seen for years. I have a hankering to move to America and buy a nice house in one of their ghost towns where the nearest form of life is family dollar store about two days drive away…..or, build myself a shack in the blue ridge mountains and go “Walton’s”…….’Goodnight Mary-Ellen, Good night John-Boy…..” 🎼🎼🎼🎼 (may brew my own “recipe” too ! ! )
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Oh me too Barney, me too. I loved the Waltons and the Little House on the Prairie when I was a kid. People say they're oh so cheesy and sugary, I say, try MY childhood for a few weeks and YOU'D love the Waltons too!! I also love Pollyanna. I didn't discover that film until I was a grown adult and fell in love with it! If more people played the "glad" game then the world would be a far better place 😍 It has a a powerful storyline really, and even has Jehovah's name mentioned in it, well, more like boomed out, but nonetheless, he gets a mention!!
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Oh me too Barney, me too. I loved the Waltons and the Little House on the Prairie when I was a kid. People say they're oh so cheesy and sugary, I say, try MY childhood for a few weeks and YOU'D love the Waltons too!! I also love Pollyanna. I didn't discover that film until I was a grown adult and fell in love with it! If more people played the "glad" game then the world would be a far better place 😍 It has a a powerful storyline really, and even has Jehovah's name mentioned in it, well, more like boomed out, but nonetheless, he gets a mention!!
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What I liked about the Walton’s was how it reflected what I see as more the true American culture. We had its remnants here in England between the wars. Life is so isolating in these days.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
What I liked about the Walton’s was how it reflected what I see as more the true American culture. We had its remnants here in England between the wars. Life is so isolating in these days.
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Even in the 60's and early 70's life felt a little like that, with a true community spirit. When I look back now, it seems like a dream to think that we could knock on literally anyone's door and ask for a drink of water or to use the toilet and no-one would refuse. It's crazy to think of the massive change in society/culture (whatever it's called) in only 50 years. All purposely destroyed 😡
 
MickHewitt said:
2030 completion now set for 2034? Problems because of having to dig deeper than thought? It's budget being altered every quarter!? Are they procuring bunker accommodation and selling apartments equipped to live out the coming reset?
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No Mick. They are too busy securing their own comfort to notice all that! 🤣
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Well, I've ALWAYS believed that Jehovah will allow people to have a change of heart right to the very end, waaaay before the Watchtower changed their minds on the subject. And I'll always believe it, right on through to the end 😍
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I feel you have a point despite Rev’s argument which also is creditable. Acknowledging truth late in the day, does not reduce the value of truth, or the realisation of it. It is a ‘revelation’. Saul had his eyes opened and shut at the same time when Christ appeared to him. The revelation was not of his intent, but to his understanding.

Realisazation is not time dependant. It is a revelation in itself, of the act of coming to understand, much like the illustration of the thief speaking to Christ . One would assume that his circumstances were born of fear, but this is far more true of the person on the other side of Jesus, wanting proof. The illustration is (in my opinion) one of insight and which in this case, could only be found by reasoning upon the two situations graphically being played out as to the very point you are making.

The same can be said of the anointing taking place after the death of Jesus, when the disciples were gathered together in the upper room. What they had been argumentative about in its meaning over the loss of Jesus, the kingdom, the work to be done and how - or even why - they were anointed. With what? Insight. In terms of understanding, faith and hope, is the basis for such much different for the disciples as it was for the thief, or for Saul? Then why not for those riven with fear and doubt and plagued by their own lack of insight and hopes for survival.

Understanding Jehovah (as much as we are able) is not the prime motivator. It is a reward for those searching for meaning. Just as the thief made mention of to the opposer. The primary motivator is a love of righteousness that belongs to Jehovah and which dwells in our heart. And just as was said at Sodom. “Find me a righteous person and I shall not destroy the city”. (Or words to that effect). So the gate was still open even just a few hours before hand for those whom would choose to go through it. I’m pretty hopeless at citing scripture - I’m more emotive than learned in that respect, but it’s the consistency of mercy that is the theme here is it not?
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I feel you have a point despite Rev’s argument which also is creditable. Acknowledging truth late in the day, does not reduce the value of truth, or the realisation of it. It is a ‘revelation’. Saul had his eyes opened and shut at the same time when Christ appeared to him. The revelation was not of his intent, but to his understanding.

Realisazation is not time dependant. It is a revelation in itself, of the act of coming to understand, much like the illustration of the thief speaking to Christ . One would assume that his circumstances were born of fear, but this is far more true of the person on the other side of Jesus, wanting proof. The illustration is (in my opinion) one of insight and which in this case, could only be found by reasoning upon the two situations graphically being played out as to the very point you are making.

The same can be said of the anointing taking place after the death of Jesus, when the disciples were gathered together in the upper room. What they had been argumentative about in its meaning over the loss of Jesus, the kingdom, the work to be done and how - or even why - they were anointed. With what? Insight. In terms of understanding, faith and hope, is the basis for such much different for the disciples as it was for the thief, or for Saul? Then why not for those riven with fear and doubt and plagued by their own lack of insight and hopes for survival.

Understanding Jehovah (as much as we are able) is not the prime motivator. It is a reward for those searching for meaning. Just as the thief made mention of to the opposer. The primary motivator is a love of righteousness that belongs to Jehovah and which dwells in our heart. And just as was said at Sodom. “Find me a righteous person and I shall not destroy the city”. (Or words to that effect). So the gate was still open even just a few hours before hand for those whom would choose to go through it. I’m pretty hopeless at citing scripture - I’m more emotive than learned in that respect, but it’s the consistency of mercy that is the theme here is it not?
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I even believe Jehovah's going to rescue people who've not even heard of him, or aren't in a position to learn about him either because of their physical circumstances or mental or emotional conditions. I've always believed this way, but I noticed that there weren't many inside Jah's org that felt the same way too so I had to be very choosy who I chatted with about this topic! Mad! One thing's certain, once Jehovah's new world is here and Satan's world is gone, we'll have ALL the correct answers ☺️
 
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