Watchtower No Longer Believes Armageddon is Imminent

[Jahrule]

I recently stumbled onto this video. Normally I don’t give much attention to these kinds of voices, but I decided to give it a watch. Some of his opinions are definitely a bit out there, yet with all the changes we’ve seen lately, none of them would particularly surprise me.

The underlying vision here is that the seers of Watchtower no longer believe Armageddon is coming any time soon. In fact, some of them may not even believe it at all anymore. Of course, there are certainly still some who do, but their recent actions make it clear that they are more focused on ensuring the survival of the organization itself than on truly serving Jehovah. Robert has hinted at this many times when he said that in the future the WTBTS will go fully apostate.

This reality stumbles many JWs. For some, it becomes an excuse to abandon Jehovah entirely, either turning atheist or drifting into another religion. That reaction might seem understandable, but it misses the bigger picture. The very fact that the organization is twisting, changing, and even abandoning key doctrines is itself part of prophecy. We already know the Watchtower is heading toward outright apostasy, so it doesn’t stumble us when we see it happening. Instead, it confirms what we’ve been expecting all along. The ones who truly get stumbled are those who use these developments as an excuse to leave Jehovah altogether. They are mistaken, because Jehovah’s purposes have not failed and never will.

So when I hear predictions about the Watchtower’s transformation into something more worldly or mainstream, I don’t dismiss them. I simply recognize them as further steps along the path foretold. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of these changes come to pass even sooner than some expect.

 

[Watchman]

I haven't watched the video, but I don't know why this is a revelation. The Watchtower has been slowly discarding, watering down, and even repudiating much of its previous interpretations of prophecy related to what is ahead. The most shocking, to me anyway, I don't know if anyone else even noticed, but a few years ago, the GB ditched the whole prophecy of Joel, claiming it was fulfilled when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, even though there is no mention of Babylon in the book of Joel! It is fascinating to watch since, apparently, they are responding to the words of God that I have directed against them over the years.

 

[Jahrule]

I haven't watched the video, but I don't know why this is a revelation. The Watchtower has been slowly discarding, watering down, and even repudiating much of its previous interpretations of prophecy related to what is ahead. The most shocking to me, anyway, I don't know if anyone else even noticed, but a few years ago, the GB ditched the whole prophecy of Joel, claiming it was fulfilled when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, even though there is no mention of Babylon in the book of Joel! It is fascinating to watch since, apparently, they are responding to the words of God that I have directed against them over the years.

Apparently, it's only surprising to exJWs who don't fully appreciate prophecy. The real question I have is how far will Watchtower go before Christ arrives to set matters straight. If this goes on for years and years, whatever is left of Watchtower by then would be unrecognizable. Even the truths we credit them for today may one day soon be dissolved.

 

[Shiloh]

The underlying vision here is that the seers of Watchtower no longer believe Armageddon is coming any time soon. In fact, some of them may not even believe it at all anymore. Of course, there are certainly still some who do, but their recent actions make it clear that they are more focused on ensuring the survival of the organization itself than on truly serving Jehovah. Robert has hinted at this many times when he said that in the future the WTBTS will go fully apostate.

This reality stumbles many JWs. For some, it becomes an excuse to abandon Jehovah entirely, either turning atheist or drifting into another religion. That reaction might seem understandable, but it misses the bigger picture. The very fact that the organization is twisting, changing, and even abandoning key doctrines is itself part of prophecy. We already know the Watchtower is heading toward outright apostasy, so it doesn’t stumble us when we see it happening. Instead, it confirms what we’ve been expecting all along. The ones who truly get stumbled are those who use these developments as an excuse to leave Jehovah altogether. They are mistaken, because Jehovah’s purposes have not failed and never will.

So when I hear predictions about the Watchtower’s transformation into something more worldly or mainstream, I don’t dismiss them. I simply recognize them as further steps along the path foretold. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of these changes come to pass even sooner than some exexpect.

I totally agree with you. It wouldn't surprise me to hear them one day endorse the New World Order of the (recovered headed) Wild Beast system (hope I said that right). It's actually a counterfeit of Jehovahs Kingdom. It would be total blatent apostasy on their part. There's so many who have been stumbled and left who no longer follow prophecy many of whom on u-tube. They just speak out against the organization, rightfully so, but offer no spiritual hope to the many stumbled victims. That's what is different about Watchmans (Robert King) message. He keeps us on track and awake spiritually showing how prophecy is unfolding before our eyes, so we do not remain stumbled. Watchtower is actually fulfilling prophecy by their apostasy.

 

[Jahrule]

I totally agree with you. It wouldn't surprise me to hear them one day endorse the New World Order of the (recovered headed) Wild Beast system (hope I said that right). It's actually a counterfeit of Jehovahs Kingdom. It would be total blatent apostasy on their part. There's so many who have been stumbled and left who no longer follow prophecy many of whom on u-tube. They just speak out against the organization, rightfully so, but offer no spiritual hope to the many stumbled victims. That's what is different about Watchmans (Robert King) message. He keeps us on track and awake spiritually showing how prophecy is unfolding before our eyes, so we do not remain stumbled. Watchtower is actually fulfilling prophecy by their apostasy.

Indeed, I consider discovering this community a blessing

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I haven't watched the video, but I don't know why this is a revelation. The Watchtower has been slowly discarding, watering down, and even repudiating much of its previous interpretations of prophecy related to what is ahead. The most shocking to me, anyway, I don't know if anyone else even noticed, but a few years ago, the GB ditched the whole prophecy of Joel, claiming it was fulfilled when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, even though there is no mention of Babylon in the book of Joel! It is fascinating to watch since, apparently, they are responding to the words of God that I have directed against them over the years.

The video is quite well observed but as you say, nothing new but it does rather confirm the trend from the viewpoint of the bystander. I had two young JWs turn up at my door a week ago . Fortunately for them, my wife answered the door, but when I looked on our security camera, I honesty doubt I would have opened the door to them. Dressing down is not the word for it - neither is casual dress. They appeared as though they had a bad day a school, and one of them was actually hanging back as though he didn’t want to be there or was preparing to run away.

The point being, that it seems from recent calls and on site watchtower dialogue from the Org, that motive, purpose, dedication and faith have no set standard to commitment: the very meaning of and in baptism. Gone is the command, “Follow me” and leave the world behind. It has become and invitation to “come and see if you want - it’s all good.” It appears that as far as watchtower is concerned, Jehovah is becoming as nameless as Jesus within watchtower and that the GB have replaced them both and appointed themselves as their mouthpiece as the “channel” through which they speak. According to the public, if this video is an example, that appears to be the case in watchtowers “new look”.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Apparently, it's only surprising to exJWs who don't fully appreciate prophecy. The real question I have is how far will Watchtower go before Christ arrives to set matters straight. If this goes on for years and years, whatever is left of Watchtower by then would be unrecognizable. Even the truths we credit them for today may one day soon be dissolved.

It surely can't go on for years and years JR because if they discard all Bible truths then no-one will want to learn about Jehovah and his word. I would never, ever have had a study if they only taught heaven and hell, I somehow already believed in neither so I wouldn't have been attracted to studying. The past 5yrs have shown me there's a real lot of shenanigans going on inside the org, and I think Jehovah is speeding it up, a bit like when Jesus told Judas to hurry up and get on with what he was doing..

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I totally agree with you. It wouldn't surprise me to hear them one day endorse the New World Order of the (recovered headed) Wild Beast system (hope I said that right). It's actually a counterfeit of Jehovahs Kingdom. It would be total blatent apostasy on their part. There's so many who have been stumbled and left who no longer follow prophecy many of whom on u-tube. They just speak out against the organization, rightfully so, but offer no spiritual hope to the many stumbled victims. That's what is different about Watchmans (Robert King) message. He keeps us on track and awake spiritually showing how prophecy is unfolding before our eyes, so we do not remain stumbled. Watchtower is actually fulfilling prophecy by their apostasy.

I'm so glad that I had a lovely uncle, and elder, 40yrs ago he thoroughly enlightened me about Satan and the counterfeit NWO that was coming down the line. The org's literature taught it too. I've no idea why so few brothers and sisters don't remember the olden days information we learned. If my uncle had been alive in 2020 he would have been disfellowshipped for trying to "help" brothers and sisters to see the fraud and warn them about the injections. He was a very quiet and mild man, but would never ever have thrown the brothers and sisters under the bus in order to side with the GB..

 

[Jahrule]

The video is quite well observed but as you say, nothing new but it does rather confirm the trend from the viewpoint of the bystander. I had two young JWs turn up at my door a week ago . Fortunately for them, my wife answered the door, but when I looked on our security camera, I honesty doubt I would have opened the door to them. Dressing down is not the word for it - neither is casual dress. They appeared as though they had a bad day a school, and one of them was actually hanging back as though he didn’t want to be there or was preparing to run away.

The point being, that it seems from recent calls and on site watchtower dialogue from the Org, that motive, purpose, dedication and faith have no set standard to commitment: the very meaning of and in baptism. Gone is the command, “Follow me” and leave the world behind. It has become and invitation to “come and see if you want - it’s all good.” It appears that as far as watchtower is concerned, Jehovah is becoming as nameless as Jesus within watchtower and that the GB have replaced them both and appointed themselves as their mouthpiece as the “channel” through which they speak. According to the public, if this video is an example, that appears to be the case in watchtowers “new look”.

My thoughts exactly, Barn. What Robert has been talking about for years now is getting so obvious even outsiders can see it.

They appeared as though they had a bad day a school, and one of them was actually hanging back as though he didn’t want to be there or was preparing to run away.

That line kind of reminds me of that time BatmanMatrix told a story about being out in service. We'll just call him K. There they were going out in service. K and his colleague knocked on the door, only for an angry man full of rage opened the door, threatening to throw them both over the fence. His demeanor likely changed when he saw K. K was a big dude. Think of him like Bane from Batman. K was like, go ahead. Throw me over the fence.

Going out in service for me was always so politely hush toned, even when confronted harshly. Some part of me always wanted to be there to see K's interaction that day. Allegedly, angry man cooled down very rapidly -- wished them a good day, and closed the door. I bet it wasn't just his service partner ready to run. Sure wish I knew what happened to K. I was an unbeliever last time we crossed paths. I think he was from some far away exotic foreign land, like Australia or England. Anyway, I digress.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

My thoughts exactly, Barn. What Robert has been talking about for years now is getting so obvious even outsiders can see it.


That line kind of reminds me of that time BatmanMatrix told a story about being out in service. We'll just call him K. There they were going out in service. K and his colleague knocked on the door, only for an angry man full of rage opened the door, threatening to throw them both over the fence. His demeanor likely changed when he saw K. K was a big dude. Think of him like Bane from Batman. K was like, go ahead. Throw me over the fence.

Going out in service for me was always so politely hush toned, even when confronted harshly. Some part of me always wanted to be there to see K's interaction that day. Allegedly, angry man cooled down very rapidly -- wished them a good day, and closed the door. I bet it wasn't just his service partner ready to run. Sure wish I knew what happened to K. I was an unbeliever last time we crossed paths. I think he was from some far away exotic foreign land, like Australia or England. Anyway, I digress.

England, some exotic land I love your sense of humour JR

 

[Nomex]

only for an angry man full of rage opened the door, threatening to throw them both over the fence.

LOL, I can tell you a couple of stories. I had a guy come to the door one time, wearing a dog collar, and he threw the door open and all most hit me in the face with the storm door. I dodged it, and the guy got in my face, literally, nose to nose, and huffed and puffed at me like a rabid animal, and I am NOT exaggerating. I calmly and slowly backed up, but not enough to look like I was afraid, it was more of a message to him, "back up dude, this is not going to go the way you think it is", and I was willing to take that first step backwards. After we left the brother I was with told me he couldn't believe the way I handled that. That was one of the few times when I can really say I have to give Jehovah the credit.

Another time we had a woman tell me, "I have a BB Gun." To which I said, "Okay." I didn't realize I was being threatened. If she would have come at me with a BB Gun, I would have laughed and taken it from her. I ended up making her even madder, because I didn't understand why she had just told me "I have a BB Gun." I mean I live and grew up in the south, lady, we were shooting fireworks and BB Guns at each other when I was a kid, and this lady was probably the only person on her street who didn't have an actual gun!

To add insult to injury, she was at the end of a cul-de-sac, and followed us out to the street, yelling at us, so I finally told her, "Lady, we heard you, we are leaving." To which the cowards with me all got scared. Which I never understood. The one place I always felt safest was out in filed service. If the worst thing possible happened while out in service, you are pretty much guaranteed a resurrection. ROFLOL. So why be scared?

 

[Jahrule]

LOL, I can tell you a couple of stories. I had a guy come to the door one time, wearing a dog collar, and he threw the door open and all most hit me in the face with the storm door. I dodged it, and the guy got in my face, literally, nose to nose, and huffed and puffed at me like a rabid animal, and I am NOT exaggerating. I calmly and slowly backed up, but not enough to look like I was afraid, it was more of a message to him, "back up dude, this is not going to go the way you think it is", and I was willing to take that first step backwards. After we left the brother I was with told me he couldn't believe the way I handled that. That was one of the few times when I can really say I have to give Jehovah the credit.

Another time we had a woman tell me, "I have a BB Gun." To which I said, "Okay." I didn't realize I was being threatened. If she would have come at me with a BB Gun, I would have laughed and taken it from her. I ended up making her even madder, because I didn't understand why she had just told me "I have a BB Gun." I mean I live and grew up in the south, lady, we were shooting fireworks and BB Guns at each other when I was a kid, and this lady was probably the only person on her street who didn't have an actual gun!

To add insult to injury, she was at the end of a cul-de-sac, and followed us out to the street, yelling at us, so I finally told her, "Lady, we heard you, we are leaving." To which the cowards with me all got scared. Which I never understood. The one place I always felt safest was out in filed service. If the worst thing possible happened while out in service, you are pretty much guaranteed a resurrection. ROFLOL. So why be scared?

Not all of us are as well equipped as you, Nomex. I bet they were no match for your aggressive neighbor repellent.

 

[Nomex]

Not all of us are as well equipped as you, Nomex. I bet they were no match for your aggressive neighbor repellent.

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OMG, this is hilarious. I'm just read, "aggressive neighbor repellent" in Adam West's voice, (in my head, not out loud, if I did that out loud wouldn't sound like Adam West, but I digress,) and it's absolutely hilarious!

 

[Nomex]

Little did that poor unsuspecting woman know, that my Batsuit is impervious to BB pellets and that Batman is likewise impervious to her amateur threats!! I grabbed her hand and danced with her, much to her chagrin.

 

[Jahrule]

Little did that poor unsuspecting woman know, that my Batsuit is impervious to BB pellets and that Batman is likewise impervious to her amateur threats!! I grabbed her hand and danced with her, much to her chagrin.

That's funny. I knew a baby named Sidecar. He definitely wasn't kidnapped by a strange woman and renamed Simon.

 

[PJ54]

The Org is really becoming Christendom... Daniel 10:32 11:32 comes to mind.

 

[Shiloh]

The Org is really becoming Christendom... Daniel 10:32 comes to mind.

Do you mean Daniel 11:32?

 

[PJ54]

Do you mean Daniel 11:32?

Yup! My bad. Was searching for that verse & forgot I went past a chapter.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

England, some exotic land I love your sense of humour JR

It was in many ways an exotic land to me. Post war was a time of quietude out in the country and school was an adventure into the ruins of Bristol or western super mare where one could have the whole of western sands to themselves. There were all sorts of birds in the sky - remember birds!? - and the seasons were so marked and full of their own scent of growth or decline, the fullness of new mown hay and there were still steam rollers laying roads and Sunday was as quiet as the grave and church was a time of reflection because there was indeed time to reflect. It was only a capsule of youth though but real enough at the time. Life though was lived for the day and the season governed its activity. A different time to now where the whole world is glued to a screen and isolated from each other with ear-plugs. It reminds me of this (again!)

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

It was in many ways an exotic land to me. Post war was a time of quietude out in the country and school was an adventure into the ruins of Bristol or western super mare where one could have the whole of western sands to themselves. There were all sorts of birds in the sky - remember birds!? - and the seasons were so marked and full of their own scent of growth or decline, the fullness of new mown hay and there were still steam rollers laying roads and Sunday was as quiet as the grave and church was a time of reflection because there was indeed time to reflect. It was only a capsule of youth though but real enough at the time. Life though was lived for the day and the season governed its activity. A different time to now where the whole world is glued to a screen and isolated from each other with ear-plugs. It reminds me of this (again!)

I love that sketch You missed one thing out Barney.. Wednesday afternoon closing was a thing too!!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I love that sketch You missed one thing out Barney.. Wednesday afternoon closing was a thing too!!

Absolutely so…..fancy forgetting that! The times I walked down to the shop only to remember it was ***** Wednesday afternoon!!

 

[Paula]

Macclesfield where i grew up, had Wakes week and Barnaby fortnight left over from the Silk mills holidays. The shops would be closed so we would go to a neighbouring Town. Those were the days!!!

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Absolutely so…..fancy forgetting that! The times I walked down to the shop only to remember it was ***** Wednesday afternoon!!

Mad wasn't it? Well, not at the time, I mean mad to think back now from this 24/7 world we're trying to "live" in!! Oh, and TV had a start and a finish time!! Honestly, people today have no idea what they're missing

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Mad wasn't it? Well, not at the time, I mean mad to think back now from this 24/7 world we're trying to "live" in!! Oh, and TV had a start and a finish time!! Honestly, people today have no idea what they're missing

I remember my father standing up when the BBC played the national anthem at the end of the day. I think it was at 10.30.pm. Yet transmission didn’t start until 4.30pm, or earlier on a Sunday when “The Brains Trust” was on after luncheon! And of course, on a Saturday afternoon, there was cricket from Lords, where each ball was analysed and discussed at great length and one waited for ever while the bowler made up his mind to actually bowl the ball - 2 seconds later, it was back to the analysis ……on and on and on….ad infinitum ad nauseam….

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I remember my father standing up when the BBC played the national anthem at the end of the day. I think it was at 10.30.pm. Yet transmission didn’t start until 4.30pm, or earlier on a Sunday when “The Brains Trust” was on after luncheon! And of course, on a Saturday afternoon, there was cricket from Lords, where each ball was analysed and discussed at great length and one waited for ever while the bowler made up his mind to actually bowl the ball - 2 seconds later, it was back to the analysis ……on and on and on….ad infinitum ad nauseam….

Oh the cricket the cricket!! the 21st century soon put paid to that too!!