Wednesday, October 30 - In the final part of the days you will understand this

[Watchman]

Write in a book all the words that I speak to you.—Jer. 30:2.

How grateful we are to Jehovah God for the Bible! Through its pages, he provides us with wise counsel that can help us to cope successfully with the problems we face today. He also gives us a wonderful hope for the future. More important, Jehovah has used the Bible to reveal many aspects of his personality. As we meditate on his beautiful qualities, our hearts are deeply touched and we are moved to draw close to our God by developing a warm friendship with him. (Ps. 25:14) Jehovah wants people to know him. In the past, he revealed himself by such means as dreams, visions, and even angels. (Num. 12:6; Acts 10:3, 4) But how could these dreams, visions, or messages from angels be studied unless they were written down? For good reason, Jehovah had men “write in a book” what he wanted us to know. Because “the way of the true God is perfect,” we can be confident that this method of communicating with us is excellent and beneficial.—Ps. 18:30. w23.02 2 ¶1-2

It is nothing short of miraculous that the Bible has survived, given that it was written and compiled over many centuries and that the land of Israel was wracked by wars and civil wars and ruled over by wicked tyrants. The king destroyed part of Jeremiah's original scroll when it was read to him. Although Jeremiah's secretary rewrote it, Jeremiah was in Jerusalem when the Babylonians besieged it. By divine protection, Jeremiah survived, and so did his "book."

Just imagine if JWs were to actually read the book of Jeremiah with discernment. In the very same 30th chapter, Jehovah reveals something about his character. He assures his people that He will not exterminate them. But he will punish them to the proper degree. For your convenience, here is what Jeremiah was told to write down in his "book": “For I am with you,” declares Jehovah, “to save you. But I will make an extermination among all the nations to which I scattered you; however, you I will not exterminate. I will discipline you to the proper degree, and I will by no means leave you unpunished.” (30:11)

Jeremiah could not possibly have conceived that the judgments contained in his writings would not be confined to the Jews in Jerusalem. Although Jeremiah wrote concerning a new covenant that Jehovah would conclude with the house of Israel, he could not have known that the house of Israel would not be the fleshly Israelites. Paul explained in his writings that these things were hidden from previous generations and revealed to anointed Christians. So, it is the Christian house of God that will be punished to the proper degree. How do we know? Because the concluding verses of the 30th chapter state: "Look! A windstorm of Jehovah will burst out in fury, a sweeping tempest that whirls down on the head of the wicked. The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will understand this."

The Jews ceased to be God's exclusive people long ago when Jesus organized a new nation established on the 12 apostles and not the 12 tribes. Therefore, the Jewish nation could not possibly be the "Jacob" that will be saved in the final part of the days. Jehovah's Witnesses clearly do not understand this though. According to the Watchtower, the final part of the days began in 1914. If that were true, then why have we not experienced Jehovah's windstorm?

I have often pointed out, citing Jehovah's words in Isaiah 28:19: "Only terror will make them understand." Now consider verses 5-7: "This is what Jehovah says: “We have heard the sounds of trembling; there is terror, and no peace. Ask, please, whether a man can give birth. Why, then, do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman giving birth? Why has every face turned pale? Alas! For that day is a terrible one. There is none like it, a time of distress for Jacob. But he will be saved out of it.”

Jehovah's Witnesses have been deluded into believing that they are in spiritual paradise, that they are at peace with God. They cannot conceive of any outcome other than what has been explained to them by the Governing Body. But alas, what is the terrible day? Why did Jehovah say there is none like it, a time of distress? Did not the prophet Jesus speak of a time of distress like no other? Jesus said nothing like it has ever occurred or will ever occur again --- a great tribulation. But because of God's mercy, he will not allow his chosen ones to be exterminated. God will cut short the tribulation. That is how "Jacob" will be saved out of distress.

Concerning the analogy of men giving birth (not to be confused with modern nonsensical Marxism), it symbolizes men seized with terror and anguish as if giving birth. And every face turned pale? Another prophet agrees. "Wail, for the day of Jehovah is near! It will come as a destruction from the Almighty. That is why all hands will go limp, and every man’s heart will melt with fear. The people are panic-stricken. They are seized with convulsions and pain, like a woman in labor. They look at one another in horror, with faces inflamed by anguish." - Isaiah 13:6-8

The destruction from the Almighty came in the form of the Babylonian hordes that swept down from out of the north. But that was not the day of Jehovah. That was only a type, a foregleam, a pattern foreshadowing something much greater. No, the destruction from the Almighty is not Armageddon. It is not even supernatural. The destruction from the Almighty, yes, the windstorm of Jehovah, will be expressed as global war and the crash of the system, even nuclear war. Do you hear the wind beginning to blow?

The Time of Jacob’s Trouble

God has a purpose and Jehovah’s Witnesses are privileged to know it—at least the general outline of it; albeit, the immediate future is another matter, which is the subject of this article. Jehovah’s eternal purpose is as simple as it is profound.

e-watchman.com

Jeremiah Versus the Watchtower

Monday, December 28 As the clay in the hand of the potter, so you are in my hand, O house of Israel.—Jer. 18:6. What if humans stubbornly refuse to be molded by the Great Potter? Think about what happens to the clay if it becomes unsuited

e-watchman.com

I will by no means leave you unpunished

A continuation of the Jeremiah series. Everything connected to the second coming of Christ has been distorted and ultimately concealed. We might suspect that the Devil is the culprit, and, of course, he is. But Satan is only allowed to work his

e-watchman.com

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

No, the destruction from the Almighty is not Armageddon. It is not even supernatural. The destruction from the Almighty, yes, the windstorm of Jehovah, will be expressed as global war and the crash of the system, even nuclear war. Do you hear the wind beginning to blow?

This has certainly been a point of clarification for us since discovering Robert's platform and the forum.
The GT and Armageddon are not one and the same. WT seems to almost merge the two events with one leading right into the other. But, now we learn, there is a 3 1/2 yr span separating the two events.
BTW, you are positive those 3 1/2 years don't somehow miraculously translate into 1260 years, right? Whew!

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

The destruction from the Almighty, yes, the windstorm of Jehovah, will be expressed as global war and the crash of the system, even nuclear war. Do you hear the wind beginning to blow?

From article above: "Jeremiah Versus the Watchtower":
"As a result of their stubborn refusal to accept Jeremiah’s warning, God brought upon them the sword, famine, and pestilence. In other words, God used adversity to mold them into a vessel that he could use.

As regards the Watchtower Society — or the leadership of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses if you prefer — they imagine that their version of the truth will prevail. They suppose their word is Law. Their faithful and wise slave is virtually infallible. There is no reason to give heed to the ravings of some disfellowshipped, self-appointed “watchman,” who proclaims the day of Jehovah is coming upon them.

But just as the Jews’ plot against Jeremiah failed to nullify the judgment he proclaimed, the Watchtower’s efforts to marginalize my work will not succeed either."

Why?
“Then that slave who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked will be beaten with many strokes. But the one who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.” — Luke 12:47-48

“Look! A windstorm of Jehovah will burst out in fury, a sweeping tempest that whirls down on the head of the wicked. The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will understand this.” — Jeremiah 30:23,24

 

[noname]

I've heard some of the brothers talk about world war and nuclear war lately, oblivious to the fact that Watchtower has stated it cannot happen.

 

[Melinda Riling]

I've heard some of the brothers talk about world war and nuclear war lately, oblivious to the fact that Watchtower has stated it cannot happen.

I am curious are they talking about WW3 and nuclear war with rolling their eyes…. Or are the generally concerned?

 

[Watchman]

BTW, you are positive those 3 1/2 years don't somehow miraculously translate into 1260 years, right? Whew!

"A day for a year. A day for a year" - O dear

 

[noname]

I am curious are they talking about WW3 and nuclear war with rolling their eyes…. Or are the generally concerned?

Yes they are generally concerned and connect it to the Great Tribulation
When they hear WW3 they are thinking GT, not satans ouster from heaven.
The local brothers see whats going on, its just they have been "jedi mind tricked"

 

[Bk Kevin]

This has certainly been a point of clarification for us.
The GT and Armageddon are not one and the same. WT seems to almost merge the two events with one leading right into the other. But, now we learn, there is a 3 1/2 yr span separating the two events.
BTW, you are positive those 3 1/2 years don't somehow miraculously translate into 1260 years, right? Whew!

Food for thought...
Excerpted from - A Conversation Regarding 1914

Cameron: Yes. But the Bible book of Revelation, which is closely connected with the book of Daniel, helps us to determine exactly how long the seven times are. It identifies a period of three and a half times as amounting to 1,260 days. Thus, seven times—twice the amount of three and a half times—would equal 2,520 days. Are you still with me?

Robert: Yes. I am aware of the interconnections between the prophecy of Daniel and the chronology in Revelation. But I would caution you about jumping to conclusions. Just because three and a half times is half of seven times, where is the biblical justification for the algebraic equation that doubles 1,260 days? And keep in mind that we are talking about 1,260 days, not years. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/a-conversation-regarding-1914/

 

[MickHewitt]

This has certainly been a point of clarification for us since discovering Robert's platform and the forum.
The GT and Armageddon are not one and the same. WT seems to almost merge the two events with one leading right into the other. But, now we learn, there is a 3 1/2 yr span separating the two events.
BTW, you are positive those 3 1/2 years don't somehow miraculously translate into 1260 years, right? Whew!

"For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things........For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God....bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ" 2 Cor10:5,6 What we are experiencing is a disentanglement of such entrenchments!

 

[SusanB]

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I have often pointed out, citing Jehovah's words in Isaiah 28:19: "Only terror will make them understand." Now consider verses 5-7: "This is what Jehovah says: “We have heard the sounds of trembling; there is terror, and no peace. Ask, please, whether a man can give birth. Why, then, do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman giving birth? Why has every face turned pale? Alas! For that day is a terrible one. There is none like it, a time of distress for Jacob. But he will be saved out of it.”

…

In the world of “recovery” they use the phrase, hitting a bottom meaning that one will have to lose everything they value before they realize they are working against their own interests. No doubt that is why only terror will make them understand. They are leaning on the whitewashed wall with no good foundation and when it collapses, they will look around and realize they are unsupported. Or at least have no physical support they can see with their fleshly eyes. Then repentance can occur and hopefully they will hear that voice behind them saying, “This is the way. Walk in it” Isaiah 30:21.

And, then they will understand this scripture.
Isaiah 30:27-29: “Look! The name of Jehovah is coming from far away, Burning with his anger and with heavy clouds. His lips are full of indignation, And his tongue is like a consuming fire. His spirit is like a flooding torrent that reaches clear to the neck, To shake the nations in a sieve of destruction; And the peoples will have a bridle in their jaws that leads them astray. But your song will be like the one sung in the night When you prepare for a festival, And your heart will rejoice like one Who walks with a flute On his way to the mountain of Jehovah, to the Rock of Israel.”

 

[SusanB]

Now its being reported that someone at Walkill applied for a ‘concealed weapons” permit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851645007674962389

 

[SusanB]

Now its being reported that someone at Walkill applied for a ‘concealed weapons” permit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851645007674962389

I guess when you murder people they might want revenge.

 

[Ana]

I've heard some of the brothers talk about world war and nuclear war lately, oblivious to the fact that Watchtower has stated it cannot happen.

En ocasiones he compartido a miembros de la congregación que la casa de Jehová será juzgada y el esclavo recibirá azotes y han asentido con la cabeza con un, pues claro! Si no mencionas la fecha de donde no hay retorno, 1914, estarían de acuerdo en todo lo que se conversamos por aquí. Ese es su nivel de discernimiento personal.

 

[Melinda Riling]

En ocasiones he compartido a miembros de la congregación que la casa de Jehová será juzgada y el esclavo recibirá azotes y han asentido con la cabeza con un, pues claro! Si no mencionas la fecha de donde no hay retorno, 1914, estarían de acuerdo en todo lo que se conversamos por aquí. Ese es su nivel de discernimiento personal.

Translation
On occasions I have shared with members of the congregation that the house of Jehovah will be judged and the slave will be whipped and they have nodded their heads with a, of course! If you don't mention the date from which there is no return, 1914, they would agree on everything that we talked about here. That is their level of personal discernment.

 

[Revvzone]

It is nothing short of miraculous that the Bible has survived, given that it was written and compiled over many centuries and that the land of Israel was wracked by wars and civil wars and ruled over by wicked tyrants. The king destroyed part of Jeremiah's original scroll when it was read to him. Although Jeremiah's secretary rewrote it, Jeremiah was in Jerusalem when the Babylonians besieged it. By divine protection, Jeremiah survived, and so did his "book."

Just imagine if JWs were to actually read the book of Jeremiah with discernment. In the very same 30th chapter, Jehovah reveals something about his character. He assures his people that He will not exterminate them. But he will punish them to the proper degree. For your convenience, here is what Jeremiah was told to write down in his "book": “For I am with you,” declares Jehovah, “to save you. But I will make an extermination among all the nations to which I scattered you; however, you I will not exterminate. I will discipline you to the proper degree, and I will by no means leave you unpunished.” (30:11)

Jeremiah could not possibly have conceived that the judgments contained in his writings would not be confined to the Jews in Jerusalem. Although Jeremiah wrote concerning a new covenant that Jehovah would conclude with the house of Israel, he could not have known that the house of Israel would not be the fleshly Israelites. Paul explained in his writings that these things were hidden from previous generations and revealed to anointed Christians. So, it is the Christian house of God that will be punished to the proper degree. How do we know? Because the concluding verses of the 30th chapter state: "Look! A windstorm of Jehovah will burst out in fury, a sweeping tempest that whirls down on the head of the wicked. The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will understand this."

The Jews ceased to be God's exclusive people long ago when Jesus organized a new nation established on the 12 apostles and not the 12 tribes. Therefore, the Jewish nation could not possibly be the "Jacob" that will be saved in the final part of the days. Jehovah's Witnesses clearly do not understand this though. According to the Watchtower, the final part of the days began in 1914. If that were true, then why have we not experienced Jehovah's windstorm?

I have often pointed out, citing Jehovah's words in Isaiah 28:19: "Only terror will make them understand." Now consider verses 5-7: "This is what Jehovah says: “We have heard the sounds of trembling; there is terror, and no peace. Ask, please, whether a man can give birth. Why, then, do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman giving birth? Why has every face turned pale? Alas! For that day is a terrible one. There is none like it, a time of distress for Jacob. But he will be saved out of it.”

Jehovah's Witnesses have been deluded into believing that they are in spiritual paradise, that they are at peace with God. They cannot conceive of any outcome other than what has been explained to them by the Governing Body. But alas, what is the terrible day? Why did Jehovah say there is none like it, a time of distress? Did not the prophet Jesus speak of a time of distress like no other? Jesus said nothing like it has ever occurred or will ever occur again --- a great tribulation. But because of God's mercy, he will not allow his chosen ones to be exterminated. God will cut short the tribulation. That is how "Jacob" will be saved out of distress.

Concerning the analogy of men giving birth (not to be confused with modern nonsensical Marxism), it symbolizes men seized with terror and anguish as if giving birth. And every face turned pale? Another prophet agrees. "Wail, for the day of Jehovah is near! It will come as a destruction from the Almighty. That is why all hands will go limp, and every man’s heart will melt with fear. The people are panic-stricken. They are seized with convulsions and pain, like a woman in labor. They look at one another in horror, with faces inflamed by anguish." - Isaiah 13:6-8

The destruction from the Almighty came in the form of the Babylonian hordes that swept down from out of the north. But that was not the day of Jehovah. That was only a type, a foregleam, a pattern foreshadowing something much greater. No, the destruction from the Almighty is not Armageddon. It is not even supernatural. The destruction from the Almighty, yes, the windstorm of Jehovah, will be expressed as global war and the crash of the system, even nuclear war. Do you hear the wind beginning to blow?

The Time of Jacob’s Trouble

God has a purpose and Jehovah’s Witnesses are privileged to know it—at least the general outline of it; albeit, the immediate future is another matter, which is the subject of this article. Jehovah’s eternal purpose is as simple as it is profound.

e-watchman.com

Jeremiah Versus the Watchtower

Monday, December 28 As the clay in the hand of the potter, so you are in my hand, O house of Israel.—Jer. 18:6. What if humans stubbornly refuse to be molded by the Great Potter? Think about what happens to the clay if it becomes unsuited

e-watchman.com

I will by no means leave you unpunished

A continuation of the Jeremiah series. Everything connected to the second coming of Christ has been distorted and ultimately concealed. We might suspect that the Devil is the culprit, and, of course, he is. But Satan is only allowed to work his

e-watchman.com

It's kind of confusing .
Which is it?
The people are panic-stricken. They are seized with convulsions and pain, like a woman in labor. They look at one another in horror, with faces inflamed by anguish." - Isaiah 13:6-
Or.
Be courageous and strong.i Do not be afraid or struck with terror before them,j for Jehovah your God is the one marching with you. He will neither desert you nor abandon you.” Deut 31:6
How is anyone supposed to be chill and not worry, while at the same time stuck with terror when missles are flying and the whole world is going sideways? Where's the hope of refuge under Jehovahs wings? Doesn't sound sensible at all..

 

[Watchman]

Now its being reported that someone at Walkill applied for a ‘concealed weapons” permit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851645007674962389

I wonder what kind of gun? A little pee shooter or an AK27

 

[Watchman]

It's kind of confusing .
Which is it?
The people are panic-stricken. They are seized with convulsions and pain, like a woman in labor. They look at one another in horror, with faces inflamed by anguish." - Isaiah 13:6-
Or.
Be courageous and strong.i Do not be afraid or struck with terror before them,j for Jehovah your God is the one marching with you. He will neither desert you nor abandon you.” Deut 31:6
How is anyone supposed to be chill and not worry, while at the same time stuck with terror when missles are flying and the whole world is going sideways? Where's the hope of refuge under Jehovahs wings? Doesn't sound sensible at all..

It is not confusing if you discern the sequence. First, there is punishment to the proper degree, and then there is restoration and salvation for the survivors.

 

[Revvzone]

It is not confusing if you discern the sequence. First, there is punishment to the proper degree, and then there is restoration and salvation for the survivors.

Oh I get the sequence of events alright.. it's those diametrically apposed scriptures, that sound like it's not it's not going to be one or the other but both. Then there's that last part, the "survivors!" Sounds like most are going to grave, and the great crowd will be insignificant compared to the number of Jws who survive... seems for most, their hope will lie in the resurrection...

 

[Watchman]

Oh I get the sequence of events alright.. it's those diametrically apposed scriptures, that sound like it's not it's not going to be one or the other but both. Then there's that last part, the "survivors!" Sounds like most are going to grave, and the great crowd will be insignificant compared to the number of Jws who survive... seems for most, their hope will lie in the resurrection...

That is WHY Jehovah has to punish to the proper degree. God would not punish innocent people. But the purpose of punishment is to achieve correction. You seem not to accept that some of the people whom you call duche bags and other vile things could be punished and then rewarded. You have invested a lot of energy into hating the Watchtower and the Governing Body, so it might be a hard adjustment for you to make if some of those whom you revile become kings.

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

That is WHY Jehovah has to punish to the proper degree. God would not punish innocent people. But the purpose of punishment is to achieve correction. You seem not to accept that some of the people whom you call duche bags and other vile things could be punished and then rewarded. You have invested a lot of energy into hating the Watchtower and the Governing Body, so it might be a hard adjustment for you to make if some of those whom you revile become kings.

Where's the hope of refuge under Jehovahs wings? Doesn't sound sensible at all..

Prophecy tells us what Jehovah will do in the future and presents us with the opportunity to adjust our thinking. That being the case, we must accept Jehovah's way of doing things remembering that His way is always just and fair. Right now, we have time on our side, albeit the time may be short. So it is imperative that we take advantage of this time period to adjust our thinking to that of Jehovah's and Jesus'.

Probably, no one feels much more anger or pain that we have felt over the last couple of years. We invested basically our whole lives into Watchtower to now be faced with the reality of the apostasy of the organization. However, we have also had the benefit of time to throttle our anger and personal emotions and come to terms with what Robert said......These ones "could be punished and then rewarded".

Will we accept Jehovah's judgement or will we be found fighting against it and the holy spirit?
But, bottom line, aren't we glad Jehovah is a merciful God because we are all in need of his mercy. Something to think about.

 

[a believer]

How is anyone supposed to be chill and not worry, while at the same time stuck with terror when missles are flying and the whole world is going sideways? Where's the hope of refuge under Jehovahs wings? Doesn't sound sensible at all..

Here's a point that might be worth considering: when the Jews went into Babylonian captivity, there were some faithful ones in the mix, surely— starting with Daniel, as well as the three young men who were thrown into a furnace for demonstrating their obedience to the Mosaic Law's commandments concerning one's choice of menu options. And there were others.

They all went into captivity, too. For them, their faith in the Promise was tested, as was their faithfulness.

{Sidepoint: even when the Jews were freed from Babylon, some Jews remained at Babylon. They liked it there! In fact, they were the founding ones of the Jewish Diaspora. And their numbers would grow in time, and began to spread out in the process, especially in the days of Rome... and after. [Britannica]}

But when it comes to the things that happen in our time, like the use of nuclear weapons, faithful Christians won't get a pass. Faith must be tested in order to be manifested as faithfulness. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks," right? (Matthew 12:34; Luke 6:45).

Another example is that of the first Christians, who were tied to poles in a stadium and fed to wild animals for entertainment in the Roman version of Survivor... or used as human lanterns during Nero's turn at the throne.

Rest assured, their faith was tested. Doesn't mean they weren't afraid. Even so, in spite of their fear, they were faithfull.

Like "a great cloud of witnesses" (Hebrews 12:1-2), we do not have the relentlessly hopeless fear that those without hope have. We know this is temporary because Jehovah bore witness within us that the scripture bearing witness to that promise is true-- and we know Jehovah can bring anyone back from whatever death they endured in their faithfulness because Jehovah's spirit has borne witness within us that these words are something we can take to the bank, too, as the saying goes. (Cf. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14)

Hebrews 11 is filled with examples of faithful ones who found themselves in some pretty dire circumstances. Maybe not a nuclear exchange or the fallout of radiation from the same, but their faith was tested. Hardened through perseverance. And they showed themselves faithfull.

And let's be candid: How can even we ourselves know whether we truly are full of faith-- faithfull-- unless that faith be tested. We can talk a real good game, but when things go completely sideways, where will our faith be then? (Cf Jeremiah 17:9; Job 2:4)

I'm rambling at this point, I'm sure, so I'll close this out with a scripture:

"Seek ye Jehovah while he may be found; call ye upon him while he is near..." — Isaiah 55:6 American Standard Version

Submitted for perusal and consideration,
—Timothy,
a believer.

 

[Bk Kevin]

Scripture for thought...
*For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy.+ Mercy exults triumphantly over* judgment. James 2:13

 

[Niobium]

That is WHY Jehovah has to punish to the proper degree. God would not punish innocent people. But the purpose of punishment is to achieve correction. You seem not to accept that some of the people whom you call duche bags and other vile things could be punished and then rewarded. You have invested a lot of energy into hating the Watchtower and the Governing Body, so it might be a hard adjustment for you to make if some of those whom you revile become kings.

We can see the account of King Manasseh.
He did what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes as we all know.
He was punished, but he prayed to Jehovah and repented. God heard his request for favor and restored him to the kingship in Jerusalem.
From a human viewpoint it must have been hard to accept that his repentance was genuine but it must have been. The same in the case of David and his affair with Bath-Sheba. Only Jehovah knows if a person is genuinely repentant and deserving of forgiveness.
So we don't know how the GB members will react to Jehovah's judgments but there is always room for repentance and no doubt we are all appreciative of Jehovah forgiving our own errors and not casting us aside. I too have trouble with some of the GB members and find it hard to listen to one or two in particular but as was said by watchman "they could be punished and then rewarded".
All we can do is our best to serve Jehovah in the way that he guides us, which may mean going down quite different routes depending on our circumstances.
And being angry and frustrated at the apostasy of the organisation is understandable.
But we all need to make sure we are on the "cramped path that leads to life" and allow Jehovah to lead us by means of his Holy Spirit which he promised to give to us when we ask for it.

Luke 11:13
Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!”

This forum is one way we can use to encourage each other and hopefully help us keep spiritual balance or equilibrium. I for one am grateful for the many reminders that have helped me, as I am sure all of us are, as we face the challenges of keeping on the path to life despite the disappointments that assail us from day to day.

 

[Revvzone]

That is WHY Jehovah has to punish to the proper degree. God would not punish innocent people. But the purpose of punishment is to achieve correction. You seem not to accept that some of the people whom you call duche bags and other vile things could be punished and then rewarded. You have invested a lot of energy into hating the Watchtower and the Governing Body, so it might be a hard adjustment for you to make if some of those whom you revile become kings.

Names are just words.. It's what people attach to them, what's the difference between calling someone a deushbag, stupid prophet, murderer or evil thieving slave! NOTHING!!! As for you saying I despise or revile the Governing Body, be careful about judging me, because your assumptions are wrong! I despise their many lies and actions... As for the rosey and not so rosey scriptures I pointed out, can be a problem for some, relying on things may be easy, when the definition is spoken from the would be future kings as "Things are good, not to worry, as long as people stick close the organization".. So I wouldn't let words get stuck in your craw.. which have the value of no more than calling someone a jackass or jerk..besides if you're selected to be a king, you'll be getting a thumping too..And you're correct, everyone selected and beaten can be forgiven Including, me!

Post script.
Myself and my family have a long history with the WT.. So, you have no idea the things I've endured by some workers of lawlessness brought against me and my family that lasted years before being resolved..so, having some bitterness certainly doesn't mean I hate them... it's just tiring being dished the same old slop spun as nutrition that erks me from time to time..respectfully

 

[Bk Kevin]

I guess when you murder people they might want revenge.

Or people who were coerced into taking the covid-19 kill shot not to mention many of the children who were raped because the Watchtower protected numerous pedophilers, and we all know the list goes on and on and on.