When did the apostasy begin in early Christianity?

By apostasy, I primarily mean the father and the son, Jehovah and Jesus being one entity? What was the early foundations of the trinity? am currently reading through the supposed "Church fathers" to try to get an idea. I know some members here are very knowledgeable about early Christianity.
 
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Went back to reading a bit of that early 4th century church history book yesterday and according to it Jesus half brother James sons had prominent positions in the Jersusalem congregation after his martyrdom a few years before Jerusalem's destruction and after it and there sons after them apparently at one point Jesus great nephews were arrested and brought before one of the emperors at a time many of those with verifiable davidic ancestry were being eliminated but after it became clear they had no worldly political ambitions and they explained the whole Christianity thing they were let go as not a threat.
 
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It's been a while since I posted here I don't have any fresh apostasy research to post but wanted to encourage participation, contribution, input etc in the discussion.
 

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Finished 4 (of 10) books of church history now. Nothing yet significant since last update on it except Papias had a very similar view of the resurrection and the millennial reign to Witnesses something Eusbesius of Caeserea was critical of in more of portraying the guy as a simpleton dismissively than condemning his character this might be because the proto Catholic church was on the fence on whether revelation should be canon or not Caeserea doesn't seem to have been a fan of Revelation but admitted a comparison to the old testament prophets work would be the right method to determine it's status.
 

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Reading book 5 It's a bit saddening because as noble as the end of the second century Christians were in the accounts unwaveringly confessing Christ even when it meant death by beheading, wild animal or roasted on iron chairs the divine name had already been lost for the most part it seems as when one of the romans asked a soon to be martyred Christian the name of their God he said "God has not a name as man has." 😥
 
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Finished it not a lot to say about the second half besides how severely the romans behavior escalated over time when they didn't kill Christians they'd take out an eye permanently cripple a foot or leg and force then to slave away in the copper mines in Palestine. It was common to tie Christians to anchors and toss them in the ocean or cut them to small pieces with the sword and feed them to the fishes occasionally they'd pull trees with ropes so they'd curve in the directions of one another then tie Christians to the two trees so that when they let go the release of tension enabling the trees to resume normal orientation would rip the Christians apart. Books 9-10 were basically just the author glorifying Constantine for ending the persecution of most Christians and reporting negatively on his rivals.
 

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Finished it not a lot to say about the second half besides how severely the romans behavior escalated over time when they didn't kill Christians they'd take out an eye permanently cripple a foot or leg and force then to slave away in the copper mines in Palestine. It was common to tie Christians to anchors and toss them in the ocean or cut them to small pieces with the sword and feed them to the fishes occasionally they'd pull trees with ropes so they'd curve in the directions of one another then tie Christians to the two trees so that when they let go the release of tension enabling the trees to resume normal orientation would rip the Christians apart. Books 9-10 were basically just the author glorifying Constantine for ending the persecution of most Christians and reporting negatively on his rivals.
Thank you TGP for the summary of something I would rather not read for myself. The things the Romans did to Christians are horrible! So sad!!
 
By apostasy, I primarily mean the father and the son, Jehovah and Jesus being one entity? What was the early foundations of the trinity? am currently reading through the supposed "Church fathers" to try to get an idea. I know some members here are very knowledgeable about early Christianity.
I love this question and all the answers we are getting, I am always amazed at how people can't see what the "ENTIRE BIBLE " says ...I actually was in a discussion the other day with a former JW who is going to the Church of God , and they believe in the trinity , I shared numerous scriptures and asked him to read the entire book of Philippians which I believe he would then realize that Jesus is not God , but he didn't , I am going to keep trying because he stumbled from the truth of the bible over how he was treated as a JW by elders and others in his congregation....so he experienced "true love" in this church and is now attending. So in contrast I had a phone conversation with a life long catholic woman in her 70's and she did not believe in anything the Catholic Church teaches including the trinity, hell fire , immortal soul and the like. She , if I were not told what she believed would have thought she was a JW....she even said she celebrated Christmas because of family and knew it was pagan...but I must say it was a very interesting call, and I hope Jehovah will allow this woman to get out of religion....and into the new world .
 

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By apostasy, I primarily mean the father and the son, Jehovah and Jesus being one entity? What was the early foundations of the trinity? am currently reading through the supposed "Church fathers" to try to get an idea. I know some members here are very knowledgeable about early Christianity.
Moses while ascending the mountain, they built a golden calf. Similarly while Christ left the desciples to ascend to heaven after the apostles died His absence created the same? Hos 10:5 "The residents of Samaria will fear for the calf idol; It's people will mourn over it. As will it's foreign god priests who rejoiced over it and it's glory." I feel we share guilt in serving this idol. Our blessing is to see the fault. Sadly our former brothers are still serving it!
 

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I'm watching the first half hour of the film Silence for the first time before leaving for the kingdom hall. Given Christian persecution and martyrdom has been mentioned before in this thread I thought it a good place to share a clip of the opening given we can expect no less when the beast opposes us.

 
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