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As all of Jehovah's Witnesses know the Watchtower has focused our attention on what might otherwise be an obscure passage of Scripture. Doing a quick check of English translations most of the popular versions say "peace and safety" or some variation. The Holman Standard, J.B. Phillips and a few others say "peace and security." So what, you ask? "Peace and security" resonates. It is official political parlance.

Furthermore, The Watchtower has staked its reputation to say that their saying "peace and security" will come from the political leaders and the "sudden destruction" that follows will be the great tribulation. So, Jehovah's Witnesses have come to expect to hear that exact phrase announced in some dramatic fashion in the near future. I include myself among those in expectation.

It is remarkable that the United Nations has that exact phrase built into the entire organization. Amazingly, the order of the words is rarely even reversed so as to say "security and peace." It is part of the UN lexicon. Just google "peace and security" and all of the most relevant search results resolve to the United Nations, YouTube videos included. For example, below is a UN Security Council meeting that took place on November 21st discussing peace and security in Ukraine.

With the temporary truce in Gaza and the possibility of renewed warfare on the defenseless Palestinians, the UN Security Council is going to be busy. It is rather ironic though that the five permanent members of the Security Council are waging an as-of-yet undeclared war against each other. So, it should come as no surprise if war erupts after they congratulate themselves for having brought about peace and security. Keep in mind that the prime minister of Britain met with Hitler in 1938 and declared "peace for our time." World War Two began the following year. You know what they say about history repeating itself.

Here is the problem though, at least as far as the Watchtower is concerned. Paul said that sudden destruction would come upon them as birth pangs on a pregnant woman. Jesus, likewise, referred to nation rising against nation and all the rest as "the beginning pangs of distress." The Watchtower has convinced millions of Christians that those beginning pangs of distress began in 1914. Do you see the problem? Furthermore, Paul said that the Lord's day was coming exactly as a thief in the night, heralded by their saying "peace and security." Someone else likened their unexpected coming to a thief in the night. Again, do you see the problem?

Here is a little tidbit from the February 2023 Watchtower (paragraph 5) on one of their most recent comments on "peace and security":
When discussing Bible prophecy, however, we should avoid speculating. Why? Because we would not want to say anything that could cause disunity in the congregation. For instance, we may hear world leaders talk about how they can solve a particular conflict and bring peace and security. Instead of speculating that such a statement fulfills the prophecy at 1 Thessalonians 5:3, we need to keep up-to-date with the latest published information. When we base our discussions on material published by Jehovah’s organization, we help the congregation to remain united “in the same line of thought.”
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I understand the caution about speculating. We can be wrong. But so can the Watchtower. What will the WT have to say when the prophecy is actually fulfilled in a striking and undeniable way? That question will be relevant because I am certain that the sudden destruction that will ensue whenever it is that they are saying "peace and security"! will not be the great tribulation, but rather World War Three, which the WT assures us cannot happen. Can we expect the Governing Body to repudiate the very foundation of the Watchtower, which is to say 1914?

What I find amazing is Jehovah's foresight. Jehovah allowed for the operation of Satan to use every form of trickery and deception to make 1914 the centerpiece of the Watchtower. Jehovah then embedded the means for honest Christians to see their way out of the lie when the time comes. Jehovah even kindly imposed his will upon the translators of the NWT to ensure that the exact phrase used by the UN is worded properly. Now JWs who leave have a hard time explaining their stance to fellow JWs. Whenever they say the magic words, "peace and security," the Watchtower will be instantly, irreparably broken. It is only proper that the organizational idol be discredited to clear the stage for the revealing of the Son of man.

Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says: “Since you reject this word and you trust in fraud and deceit (1914) and you rely on these, so this error will be for you like a broken wall, like a bulging high wall ready to fall. It will crash suddenly, in an instant. It will be broken like a large potter’s jar, so completely smashed that no fragment among its pieces will be left to rake the fire from the fireplace or to scoop water from a puddle.” - Isaiah 30:12-14


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Whenever they are saying “peace and security”

JW Broadcast has uploaded a video entitled: Remain Watchful for “Peace and Security!” This topic has been considered and reconsidered on this site for many years; and of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses are frequently reminded of it in publications
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Peace and Security and the Downfall of America

Friday, May 21 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them. —1 Thess. 5:3. World leaders sometimes use similar expressions when they talk about stabilizing relationships between nations. However, the announcement of “peace and...
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Peace and Security and the Day of Jehovah

Tuesday, August 4 Jehovah . . . has firmly established his throne for justice. —Ps. 9:7. The Mosaic Law limited the possibility that a person would be falsely accused of a crime. A defendant had the right to know who was accusing him.
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February 2023 WT "When we base our discussions on material published by Jehovah’s organization, we help the congregation to remain united “in the same line of thought.”"

It seems the only thing that matters to WT is "unity". Truth is just a minor inconvenience.
Very insightful article. Thanks so much.

BTW - When did you say peace and security will be announced? 🤣
 
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J&P said:
February 2023 WT "When we base our discussions on material published by Jehovah’s organization, we help the congregation to remain united “in the same line of thought.”"

It seems the only thing that matters to WT is "unity". Truth is just a minor inconvenience.
Very insightful article. Thanks so much.

BTW - When did you say peace and security will be announced? 🤣
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Even non-worshippers recognize the importance of sticking to what is true, regardless of the cost. How can you not encounter opposition when promoting what is true in a world under the control of Satan? I guess if JW’s were truly in a spiritual paradise and all speaking the pure language there would be no push back, but those conditions will come from Jehovah, not the GB and certainly not from promoting 1914 as Jesus’ enthronement. Tucker Carlson recently posted an interesting video of him talking about the effects of standing up for what is true and conversely what happens to a person who defends a lie. It makes me think of the 2nd Chapter of Romans, which does apply to the coming judgment of the “secret things of mankind”.

Romans 2:13-15: “For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.”

This is the link to Tucker Carlson’s video. I apologize for the profanity at the intro but that is the only instance if you can get past it. I found this video interesting because even people who do not worship Jehovah, do sometimes value what is true. Perhaps that trait will help them in the coming Tribulation.

 
Just common sense ought to be enough. But no. The WT claims that when they are saying "peace and security" then sudden destruction will come upon Babylon the Great. But that just doesn't make any sense, at all. For one thing, how could the UN possibly ever pull something like that off? They couldn't. It is impossible in the current political framework. First must come the crash and the dissolution of the nation-state system and the imposition of world government, also known as the short-lived eighth king. Only then will God move them to go after the queen of Babylon. So, the sudden destruction will come upon the nations who will be saying "peace and security."
 
Watchman said:
What I find amazing is Jehovah's foresight. Jehovah allowed for the operation of Satan to use every form of trickery and deception to make 1914 the centerpiece of the Watchtower. Jehovah then embedded the means for honest Christians to see their way out of the lie when the time comes. Jehovah even kindly imposed his will upon the translators of the NWT to ensure that the exact phrase used by the UN is worded properly. Now JWs who leave have a hard time explaining their stance to fellow JWs. Whenever they say the magic words, "peace and security," the Watchtower will be instantly, irreparably broken. It is only proper that the organizational idol be discredited to clear the stage for the revealing of the Son of man.
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Soon! :p
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Thanks for your foresight! Guess we'll have to "wait on Jehovah" as the WT has directed us to do so many times! 🤷‍♂️.🤷‍♀️
 
Jeremiah 12:7-13: “I have abandoned my house; I have deserted my inheritance. I have given my dearly beloved one into the hand of her enemies. My inheritance has become to me like a lion in the forest. She has roared against me. So I have come to hate her. My inheritance is like a multicolored bird of prey to me; The other birds of prey surround it and attack it. Come, gather together, all you beasts of the field, Come to eat. Many shepherds have destroyed my vineyard; They have trampled my portion of land. They have turned my desirable portion of land into a desolate wilderness. It has become a wasteland. It has withered; It is desolate before me. The whole land has been made desolate, But no man takes it to heart. On all the worn paths through the wilderness the destroyers have come, For the sword of Jehovah is devouring from one end of the land to the other end. There is no peace for anyone. They have sown wheat, but they have reaped thorns. They have worn themselves out, but to no benefit. They will be ashamed of their produce Because of the burning anger of Jehovah.”
 
SusanB said:
Even non-worshippers recognize the importance of sticking to what is true, regardless of the cost. How can you not encounter opposition when promoting what is true in a world under the control of Satan? I guess if JW’s were truly in a spiritual paradise and all speaking the pure language there would be no push back, but those conditions will come from Jehovah, not the GB and certainly not from promoting 1914 as Jesus’ enthronement. Tucker Carlson recently posted an interesting video of him talking about the effects of standing up for what is true and conversely what happens to a person who defends a lie. It makes me think of the 2nd Chapter of Romans, which does apply to the coming judgment of the “secret things of mankind”.

Romans 2:13-15: “For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.”

This is the link to Tucker Carlson’s video. I apologize for the profanity at the intro but that is the only instance if you can get past it. I found this video interesting because even people who do not worship Jehovah, do sometimes value what is true. Perhaps that trait will help them in the coming Tribulation.

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Thanks, Susan. We enjoy Tucker so we'll be sure to watch it.
As the saying goes, "Lies cannot stand up to truth!" so perhaps, as you said, that trait may help some in the coming Tribulation.

Romans 2:13-15 is one of my "many" favorite scriptures reminding us that our conscience and, of course, the Bible should be what directs our actions not an organization.
 
J&P said:
Thanks, Susan. We enjoy Tucker so we'll be sure to watch it.
As the saying goes, "Lies cannot stand up to truth!" so perhaps, as you said, that trait may help some in the coming Tribulation.

Romans 2:13-15 is one of my "many" favorite scriptures reminding us that our conscience and, of course, the Bible should be what directs our actions not an organization.
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Isa 43:18,19 "Do not remember the former things (Watchtower organisation) do not dwell on the past. Look I am doing something new even now it is springing up. Do you not recognize it?" Does this fit?
 
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MickHewitt said:
Isa 43:18,19 "Do not remember the former things (Watchtower organisation) do not dwell on the past. Look I am doing something new even now it is springing up. Do you not recognize it?" Does this fit?
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Yep, we're trying to block out the "gibberish" from the past and let the real "truths" sink in.
We agree with what we're learning but, sometimes, it's difficult to keep all the events in the proper sequence but we'll get there.

We're reading chapter 13 "The King of the North". The understanding of how Christendom "was born" and continued to permeate civilizations throughout the centuries has been instrumental in helping us put the pieces together.
 
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Just common sense ought to be enough. But no. The WT claims that when they are saying "peace and security" then sudden destruction will come upon Babylon the Great. But that just doesn't make any sense, at all. For one thing, how could the UN possibly ever pull something like that off? They couldn't. It is impossible in the current political framework. First must come the crash and the dissolution of the nation-state system and the imposition of world government, also known as the short-lived eighth king. Only then will God move them to go after the queen of Babylon. So, the sudden destruction will come upon the nations who will be saying "peace and security."
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This has me wonder if the destruction of Babylon will coincide with the annihilation of many peoples before Armageddon. Would that be reasonable?
 
PJ54 said:
This has me wonder if the destruction of Babylon will coincide with the annihilation of many peoples before Armageddon. Would that be reasonable?
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Yeah. It certainly seems as though the globalists are intent on setting off an epic religious war. In the Middle East, you have the Islamic sects pitted against Israel and the Zionist Christians. I believe they refer to their scheme as the clash of civilizations. In Europe you have millions of Islamists overrunning the old domain of Christendom. Same thing in America, plus the racial divide is being played. We just had a mini preview in Dublin of what can happen. And now a Swedish politician is calling for mosques to be demolished. Someone really wants to set fire to the world and they are using religion to do it.
 
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Just common sense ought to be enough. But no. The WT claims that when they are saying "peace and security" then sudden destruction will come upon Babylon the Great. But that just doesn't make any sense, at all. For one thing, how could the UN possibly ever pull something like that off? They couldn't. It is impossible in the current political framework. First must come the crash and the dissolution of the nation-state system and the imposition of world government, also known as the short-lived eighth king. Only then will God move them to go after the queen of Babylon. So, the sudden destruction will come upon the nations who will be saying "peace and security."
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I've been mentioning this to my stepdad as well, that the UN currently doesn't have the power to do that.
But the reply is that for Jehovah all is possible and Jehovah uses whoever He wants to use.
 
barry said:
I've been mentioning this to my stepdad as well, that the UN currently doesn't have the power to do that.
But the reply is that for Jehovah all is possible and Jehovah uses whoever He wants to use.
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And that is true. However, when Jehovah used Assyria and Babylon as his punishing agents they were the most powerful empires at the time. God did not magically make them superior. They already were.
 
People should understand the bible story of the Tower of Babel and it's AntiChrist, Nimrod, to know what to look out for when they make such declarations of peace and security. Nimrod wanted to erect a tower that would be so high that flood waters would never reach it. He was defiant to God as he challenged God's authority thinking he's not such a good God for flooding the earth. So he erected himself to be this AntiChrist figure as a result even though he failed to understand why God had to flood the earth. If he didn't take any action, the Nephilim would of destroyed any chances for the Messiah to be born and as a result, humans would never gain salvation through Jesus Christ. Jehovah knows what he's doing. There are people today, in government that think just like Nimrod thought. They see themselves as the saviors. They want full control of the world population just like Nimrod wanted, and it's why Jehovah had to confuse their languages and get mankind to separate itself from a centralized area that would of eventually stamped out the word of God from all the corrupting influence that was very possible to take place, for they all spoke one language and there was practically nothing they could not achieve, which would include bad things too. Some are naive and think why would God mess with their progress? As they fail to understand all the bad things that can come from that influence. Cultural rot in a centralized area would happen if Jehovah did not intervene and confuse their languages.
Likewise, we are seeing that cultural rot in the media with the few media empires that have a corrupting influence on mankind. In a way, we are returning to the Tower of Babel under an AntiChrist government system. Evil people can easily collude and devise evil plans despite language barriers now with the help of technology. One of those evil plans was Covid 19 and the mass hysteria it caused. But people gave into the fear despite the Bible telling us not to be faint out of fear. This was just a precursor to what these evil people want, a one world government, centralized authority. It's why we see a war against nation states and open border policies that have migrants overwhelm nations. We saw a preview of how much emergency powers they have when they did their covid 19 fear mongering campaign on a global level. They want to establish their world government by 2030, so they will try their best to steal elections for their candidates to come into power and with a fully corrupt establishment eventually births Gog of Magog. And this is all happening now. It's why the parallels of Nimrod and the tower of Babel is relevant to us today as they try to return to that AntiChrist system. It's sad that Watchtower never mentions this example. As it would prepare Christians what to expect so that they don't get deceived by evil schemes like the Covid pandemic and they failed and fell for the fear that the corrupt media was pushing. As a result, I'm in good healthy condition for never taking those shots, despite feeling like an outcast, though it's sad to see some suffering as these side effects are affecting them still. People must learn from this and know not to give into fear of the evil schemes these globalist Nimrods have planned next.
 
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Just common sense ought to be enough. But no. The WT claims that when they are saying "peace and security" then sudden destruction will come upon Babylon the Great. But that just doesn't make any sense, at all. For one thing, how could the UN possibly ever pull something like that off? They couldn't. It is impossible in the current political framework. First must come the crash and the dissolution of the nation-state system and the imposition of world government, also known as the short-lived eighth king. Only then will God move them to go after the queen of Babylon. So, the sudden destruction will come upon the nations who will be saying "peace and security."
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Especially upon the American cedar who will be the main one declaring that as you have mentioned before.
I personally believe that the "peace and security" thing might be the so called "pushing" between the king of the north and the south. Maybe, when Donald Trump is president again, or someone else, they will try to "fix" things in the world. People will feel some kind of peace and security because Revelation says that peace will be taken from the earth. This will not be convenient at all for the Empire, so they will "flood over" the nations sabotaging that, igniting WWIII, maybe using some kind of huge false flag attack causing a huge division too among the nations, provoking something unforgivable. And under Satan's influence, the nations will have no choice than to attack each other as never before breaking their alliance or covenant of peace.
 
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As time goes on it is becoming more clear, at least to me, that the United Nations, with its Security Council, will be the locus of their saying "peace and security." The UN issued article 99 on December 6th saying that the situation in Gaza is a humanitarian disaster and may "threaten the maintenance of international peace and security.” Notice, again, they rarely say "security and peace" and definitely never say "peace and safety." Almost always "peace and security."

"The consequences of that have irreversible implications for Palestinians and the peace and security of the entire region, he argued."

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Gaza: Guterres invokes 'most powerful tool' Article 99, in bid for humanitarian ceasefire

Invoking a rarely used article of the UN Charter, Secretary-General António Guterres on Wednesday called on the Security Council to “press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza and unite in a call for a full humanitarian ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants.
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António Guterres Invokes Article 99 of UN Charter, Issuing Urgent Call for Ceasefire in Gaza

In an urgent letter today, directed to the current Ecuadorian chair of the UN Security Council, UN Secretary General António Guterres invoked Article 99 of the UN Charter, to call for the immediate declaration of a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza so that a “catastrophe with potentially...
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Watchman said:
As time goes on it is becoming more clear, at least to me, that the United Nations, with its Security Council, will be the locus of their saying "peace and security." The UN issued article 99 on December 6th saying that the situation in Gaza is a humanitarian disaster and may "threaten the maintenance of international peace and security.” Notice, again, they rarely say "security and peace" and definitely never say "peace and safety." Almost always "peace and security."

"The consequences of that have irreversible implications for Palestinians and the peace and security of the entire region, he argued."

news.un.org

Gaza: Guterres invokes 'most powerful tool' Article 99, in bid for humanitarian ceasefire

Invoking a rarely used article of the UN Charter, Secretary-General António Guterres on Wednesday called on the Security Council to “press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza and unite in a call for a full humanitarian ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants.
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António Guterres Invokes Article 99 of UN Charter, Issuing Urgent Call for Ceasefire in Gaza

In an urgent letter today, directed to the current Ecuadorian chair of the UN Security Council, UN Secretary General António Guterres invoked Article 99 of the UN Charter, to call for the immediate declaration of a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza so that a “catastrophe with potentially...
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The issue with the Palestinians is absolutely awful. What Isreal is doing is beyond all reason - much like Britain bombing Dresden in 1945. The news “blackout” in England over what is going on is significant I think. I have to watch the French news channel or Algezera to get any info. I cannot see Iran standing for much more of it either. It’s quite interesting in that from what we do see, there certainly are not 2 million people in Gaza. They are not in Egypt either or Lebanon. The whole place is flattened. Awful to see. There is some political thing afoot here. It does not seem realistic.
 
SusanB said:
It does seem that the timing is right!?!
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The scripture says… when ever they are SAYING Peace and Security then instant destruction etc. for years I thought it was going to be a earth shaking announcement from the UN…Today almost daily the UN are SAYING Peace and Security …is SAYING Peace and Security daily the fulfillment of the scripture or is the UN SAYING we have reached world wide Peace and Security the fulfillment
 
Melinda said:
The scripture says… when ever they are SAYING Peace and Security then instant destruction etc. for years I thought it was going to be a earth shaking announcement from the UN…Today almost daily the UN are SAYING Peace and Security …is SAYING Peace and Security daily the fulfillment of the scripture or is the UN SAYING we have reached world wide Peace and Security the fulfillment
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Unfortunately, it is possible we may not know for sure until after the destruction happens.
 
Melinda said:
The scripture says… when ever they are SAYING Peace and Security then instant destruction etc. for years I thought it was going to be a earth shaking announcement from the UN…Today almost daily the UN are SAYING Peace and Security …is SAYING Peace and Security daily the fulfillment of the scripture or is the UN SAYING we have reached world wide Peace and Security the fulfillment
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I am not implying that what is occurring now is fulfilling the prophecy, only that it is a more frequent topic of discussion at the UN. They are working up to something. Maybe another crisis or two and they will come up with a "peace and security" statement. Stay tuned :whistle:
 
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