Whenever they are saying "peace and security"!

Trump ain't even president yet and peace is breaking out. Now all we need is a side order of security to go with that o_O
 
They saw the writing on the wall, as it were and understood that they needed to take action.

Might the fact that Jesus told them, "when you see the disgusting thing...flee to the mountains..." and them taking heed, have something to do with why they were able to get clear? Not everything in the way back machine has a modern day antitype.

A case of maintaining ones faith and watch things play out prehaps.
 
Might the fact that Jesus told them, "when you see the disgusting thing...flee to the mountains..." and them taking heed, have something to do with why they were able to get clear? Not everything in the way back machine has a modern day antitype.

A case of maintaining ones faith and watch things play out prehaps.
Indeed I didn't mean to imply that what happened back then was an antitype but rather the fact that they were given the opportunity to understand how things were playing out and when to heed Jesus words to head to the mountains. Even though they were told to do that they still had to work out what the "disgusting thing" was and take action accordingly.

So as a god who does not change would not Jehovah likewise give those who would be living in the time when the "Peace and Security" pronouncement would be the "correct" one, to recognise it for what it is. Not something false as in 1986 when the United Nations declared it the International Year of Peace. But it was not the time as was clear when nothing particularly happened. The sudden destruction that follows the "saying of Peace and Security" will of course be the indication of it's correctness.
We are encouraged to "keep on the watch."

Matt 24:42.
Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

But what for? What is the point of keeping on the watch when there is not going to be anything to look out for? There must be something that Jesus wants us to identify like the Christians back then in Jerusalem had to identify the disgusting thing in order to take the action to flee. Would not one of such be the cry of Peace and security?

I realise that we can't apply what happened back then as a specific pattern or that it has definite similarities to what is going to happen when Jesus returns as he has promised to do, in the Lords day, and that faith is certainly what we need as something paramount in our lives. But isn't there some credence to believe that keeping on the watch is not just a way of maintaining strong faith to ward off Satan's attacks and deceptive influences, as Paul said in Eph 6:16. but also to be able to identify the time being lived in is the actual time for these events to take place and so giving a reason to do as Jesus said in Luke 21:28

But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

"As these things start to occur" must mean that they will be recognisable and something that has never happened before in human history.

So do the "commitments" that Trump has made related to peace mean anything? He is taking credit for an "EPIC" ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas. And he wants to broker a peace deal in the Ukraine conflict. If it happens will this be the time for the Cry of Peace and security that we are told will happen? Or is it going to be just another "false alarm"?
Time will tell, of course, but realising it after the event rather than before seems to be rather futile as it is too late to "lift heads up" then, isn't it? It does not say lift your heads up after these things occur, but as they start to occur.

Anyway, even having postulated the foregoing, all I can do is hope that these things do start to occur soon and that we will see with eyes of faith the realisation of all that has been promised to rid this world of Satan and his minions and bring to fruition the promise of the "real life" that Paul referred to in 1 Tim 6:19. I'm convinced that when we rely on Jehovah in faith and do everything we can to obey him, He will be our guide and protector. I'm sure that we will not be left in the dark as to what is going on in some way and by some means.
 
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View attachment 4992As all of Jehovah's Witnesses know the Watchtower has focused our attention on what might otherwise be an obscure passage of Scripture. Doing a quick check of English translations most of the popular versions say "peace and safety" or some variation. The Holman Standard, J.B. Phillips and a few others say "peace and security." So what, you ask? "Peace and security" resonates. It is official political parlance.

Furthermore, The Watchtower has staked its reputation to say that their saying "peace and security" will come from the political leaders and the "sudden destruction" that follows will be the great tribulation. So, Jehovah's Witnesses have come to expect to hear that exact phrase announced in some dramatic fashion in the near future. I include myself among those in expectation.

It is remarkable that the United Nations has that exact phrase built into the entire organization. Amazingly, the order of the words is rarely even reversed so as to say "security and peace." It is part of the UN lexicon. Just google "peace and security" and all of the most relevant search results resolve to the United Nations, YouTube videos included. For example, below is a UN Security Council meeting that took place on November 21st discussing peace and security in Ukraine.

With the temporary truce in Gaza and the possibility of renewed warfare on the defenseless Palestinians, the UN Security Council is going to be busy. It is rather ironic though that the five permanent members of the Security Council are waging an as-of-yet undeclared war against each other. So, it should come as no surprise if war erupts after they congratulate themselves for having brought about peace and security. Keep in mind that the prime minister of Britain met with Hitler in 1938 and declared "peace for our time." World War Two began the following year. You know what they say about history repeating itself.

Here is the problem though, at least as far as the Watchtower is concerned. Paul said that sudden destruction would come upon them as birth pangs on a pregnant woman. Jesus, likewise, referred to nation rising against nation and all the rest as "the beginning pangs of distress." The Watchtower has convinced millions of Christians that those beginning pangs of distress began in 1914. Do you see the problem? Furthermore, Paul said that the Lord's day was coming exactly as a thief in the night, heralded by their saying "peace and security." Someone else likened their unexpected coming to a thief in the night. Again, do you see the problem?

Here is a little tidbit from the February 2023 Watchtower (paragraph 5) on one of their most recent comments on "peace and security":

I understand the caution about speculating. We can be wrong. But so can the Watchtower. What will the WT have to say when the prophecy is actually fulfilled in a striking and undeniable way? That question will be relevant because I am certain that the sudden destruction that will ensue whenever it is that they are saying "peace and security"! will not be the great tribulation, but rather World War Three, which the WT assures us cannot happen. Can we expect the Governing Body to repudiate the very foundation of the Watchtower, which is to say 1914?

What I find amazing is Jehovah's foresight. Jehovah allowed for the operation of Satan to use every form of trickery and deception to make 1914 the centerpiece of the Watchtower. Jehovah then embedded the means for honest Christians to see their way out of the lie when the time comes. Jehovah even kindly imposed his will upon the translators of the NWT to ensure that the exact phrase used by the UN is worded properly. Now JWs who leave have a hard time explaining their stance to fellow JWs. Whenever they say the magic words, "peace and security," the Watchtower will be instantly, irreparably broken. It is only proper that the organizational idol be discredited to clear the stage for the revealing of the Son of man.

Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says: “Since you reject this word and you trust in fraud and deceit (1914) and you rely on these, so this error will be for you like a broken wall, like a bulging high wall ready to fall. It will crash suddenly, in an instant. It will be broken like a large potter’s jar, so completely smashed that no fragment among its pieces will be left to rake the fire from the fireplace or to scoop water from a puddle.” - Isaiah 30:12-14


Just noticed this new mid week vid
 
Just noticed this new vid
I posted a notice yesterday
 
I posted a notice yesterday
Sorry! I need to pay closer attention.
 
Sorry! I need to pay closer attention.
Your talk is so timely: Tyre or should we say the KOTN is about to be taken on this monday;
Alex Krainer writes: Steve Bannon chief strategist on Trump's (or should I say KOTS's team) said 'Day's of thunder begin on Monday!' 'The world will not be the same again!' He confirmed from Monday day one we go on the offensive...and he wasn't talking of an offensive against Iran, China or Russia...but the Empire!
Alex Krainer's substack https://trendcompass.substack.com/p/days-of-thunder-start-next-week Nothing new to you here Robert but excellent read for the rest of your readers
 
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Your talk is so timely: Tyre or should we say the KOTN is about to be taken on this monday;
Alex Krainer writes: Steve Bannon chief strategist on Trump's (or should I say KOTS's team) said 'Day's of thunder begin on Monday!' 'The world will not be the same again!' He confirmed from Monday day one we go on the offensive...and he wasn't talking of an offensive against Iran, China or Russia...but the Empire!
Alex Krainer's substack https://trendcompass.substack.com/p/days-of-thunder-start-next-week Nothing new to you here Robert but excellent read for the rest of your readers
Yes, that is an interesting read. Thanks for sharing. Looks like some serious pushing is about to erupt coupled with some peace initiatives.

As regards the video, The Rise and Fall of Satan, it seems to me that the prophecy in Ezekiel regarding Tyre and Egypt have been completely overlooked, neglected, and misunderstood. No one asks or considers what the connection is between the anointed covering cherub of Eden and the city of Tyre. I wanted to bring the Devil's presence into the modern world in a very real and specific way and wholly supported by scripture. I suppose, though, like everything else, it will not be understood until it is fulfilled. When the financial system blows up and London is relegated to the scrap heap of history, I suppose then a few people will go, "Oh, wow. So that's what that guy on YouTube was talking about." :cautious:
 
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But what for?

For the Lords coming. Oh I don't know? keep alert, stay vigilant, (regardless of what is around the corner ), reinforce our faith, draw close/er to Jehovah, stay in the right lane, while checking to see how the other lane lines up with prophecy if any, continue enduring. Just a couple three things.
 
Your talk is so timely: Tyre or should we say the KOTN is about to be taken on this monday;
Alex Krainer writes: Steve Bannon chief strategist on Trump's (or should I say KOTS's team) said 'Day's of thunder begin on Monday!' 'The world will not be the same again!' He confirmed from Monday day one we go on the offensive...and he wasn't talking of an offensive against Iran, China or Russia...but the Empire!
Alex Krainer's substack https://trendcompass.substack.com/p/days-of-thunder-start-next-week Nothing new to you here Robert but excellent read for the rest of your readers

You're right, excellent read. Thanks for posting.
Feels like we're getting a peek behind the curtain.🫣
 
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