Who are the "they" in 1Thessalonians 5 v 3

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Jah's org have always taught (as far as I'm aware) that the "they" in the statement "Whenever it is that they are saying "Peace and security" refer to worldly governments. I just assumed that what they say was correct and never really researched it. Lately, I've been doing a little research on it and it seems as if most others out there who know that scripture believes the same, that it's the human governments that will make that statement, but I still can't find anything in the bible that confirms that we're waiting for the governments (THEY) to proclaim this peace and security in Thessalonians. Can anyone here expand please?

 

[TheJehuChariot]

Jah's org have always taught (as far as I'm aware) that the "they" in the statement "Whenever it is that they are saying "Peace and security" refer to worldly governments. I just assumed that what they say was correct and never really researched it. Lately, I've been doing a little research on it and it seems as if most others out there who know that scripture believes the same, that it's the human governments that will make that statement, but I still can't find anything in the bible that confirms that we're waiting for the governments (THEY) to proclaim this peace and security in Thessalonians. Can anyone here expand please?

I have meditated on this so much myself and am always fascinated as to who. But what I really want to know is.... why didn't Paul explain it better ...? It's almost like it was deliberately done

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I have meditated on this so much myself and am always fascinated as to who. But what I really want to know is.... why didn't Paul explain it better ...? It's almost like it was deliberately done

Maybe the "they" are Jah's leaders.. Ezekiel and Jeremiah talk about Jah's leaders causing a breakdown or a fracture of God's people, and the leaders try to bandage the fracture up by telling them that there IS peace, when there's not, and then Jehovah tears them down.. All interesting stuff eh? Jehovah's people more than anyone else are totally focussed on the world's governments crying peace, could be a massive distraction.. Whatever, or however, or whoever, most of us on this forum won't be surprised or shocked, because we keep on the watch like Jesus said to.

 

[Ana]

Jah's org have always taught (as far as I'm aware) that the "they" in the statement "Whenever it is that they are saying "Peace and security" refer to worldly governments. I just assumed that what they say was correct and never really researched it. Lately, I've been doing a little research on it and it seems as if most others out there who know that scripture believes the same, that it's the human governments that will make that statement, but I still can't find anything in the bible that confirms that we're waiting for the governments (THEY) to proclaim this peace and security in Thessalonians. Can anyone here expand please?

De niña creía que era la gente, los ciudadanos los que hacían esta declaración. A veces vuelvo a ese pensamiento y lo visualizo automáticamente como una manifestación mundial con el Paz y Seguridad como slogan.

 

[Watchman]

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Whenever they are saying “peace and security”

JW Broadcast has uploaded a video entitled: Remain Watchful for “Peace and Security!” This topic has been considered and reconsidered on this site for many years; and of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses are frequently reminded of it in publications

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Peace and Security and the Downfall of America

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[Proverbs 14 v 15]

De niña creía que era la gente, los ciudadanos los que hacían esta declaración. A veces vuelvo a ese pensamiento y lo visualizo automáticamente como una manifestación mundial con el Paz y Seguridad como slogan.

Sí, sin duda ha habido muchas manifestaciones a lo largo de los años exigiendo paz y seguridad por diversos motivos en diversos países. Si no recuerdo mal, el lema de la ONU en 1986 era paz y seguridad.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Here are the most recent articles and videos I have posted on the topic

Peace and security and the future presence of Christ

Audio produced by AI-generated voice clone Over the years, I have posted numerous articles and a few videos on the topic of “peace and security.” That expression is related to a verse in the Bible —a prophecy found at 1 Thessalonians 5:3. For the unfamiliar, the verse states:

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Whenever they are saying “peace and security”

JW Broadcast has uploaded a video entitled: Remain Watchful for “Peace and Security!” This topic has been considered and reconsidered on this site for many years; and of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses are frequently reminded of it in publications

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Peace and Security and the Downfall of America

Friday, May 21Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them. —1 Thess. 5:3. World leaders sometimes use similar expressions when they talk about stabilizing relationships between nations. However, the announcement of “peace and...

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Whenever they are saying “peace and security” – Then what?

Donald Trump has been called many things. It would be fair to say he is a Disrupter. Especially is that so when it comes to war and peace. Since his recent re-election, he has brought a critical Bible prophecy into focus. What prophecy? A prophecy most familiar to

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Tis all very interesting..

 

[Watchman]

Maybe the "they" are Jah's leaders.. Ezekiel and Jeremiah talk about Jah's leaders causing a breakdown or a fracture of God's people, and the leaders try to bandage the fracture up by telling them that there IS peace, when there's not, and then Jehovah tears them down.. All interesting stuff eh? Jehovah's people more than anyone else are totally focussed on the world's governments crying peace, could be a massive distraction.. Whatever, or however, or whoever, most of us on this forum won't be surprised or shocked, because we keep on the watch like Jesus said to.

Claiming there is peace between them and God is not the same as saying "peace and security." You will never hear the Governing Body make a statement that there is peace and security. However, if I am correct and their saying "peace and security" triggers WW3, the Watchtower will indirectly suffer destruction, or at least the collapse of the 1914 whitewashed wall and with it their credibility.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Claiming there is peace between them and God is not the same as saying "peace and security." You will never hear the Governing Body make a statement that there is peace and security. However, if I am correct and their saying "peace and security" triggers WW3, the Watchtower will indirectly suffer destruction, or at least the collapse of the 1914 whitewashed wall and with it their credibility.

The GB and CO's and elders have been constantly telling us the past few years that for us to be safe and secure, now, AND in a future time when the great tribulation then we need to listen to and obey THEM (including the elders), that our obedience to THEM and their instructions they're going to give us, is what's going to save our lives. The more they say it, the more suspicious I get and I've told my son who desperately believes their narrative that I will NOT be going with them all to the woods or wherever they're going to lead us. I honestly believe Satan is behind that "obey the GB" narrative and it's HIM they're going to be following, straight into some type of an ambush. But as my son keeps telling me, I'm the most cynical person he's ever known I've no idea how to rid myself of my cynicism due to me seeing and experiencing so much horror and incredulity in my short life, starting from about 7yrs old

 

[Watchman]

The GB and CO's and elders have been constantly telling us the past few years that for us to be safe and secure, now, AND in a future time when the great tribulation then we need to listen to and obey THEM (including the elders), that our obedience to THEM and their instructions they're going to give us, is what's going to save our lives. The more they say it, the more suspicious I get and I've told my son who desperately believes their narrative that I will NOT be going with them all to the woods or wherever they're going to lead us. I honestly believe Satan is behind that "obey the GB" narrative and it's HIM they're going to be following, straight into some type of an ambush. But as my son keeps telling me, I'm the most cynical person he's ever known I've no idea how to rid myself of my cynicism due to me seeing and experiencing so much horror and incredulity in my short life, starting from about 7yrs old

Yes, that's what I've been saying. The WT is going to turn into an outright antichrist when Christ comes. But the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses will not be the source whenever they are saying "peace and security."

 

[MyGodisJehovah30]

Yes, that's what I've been saying. The WT is going to turn into an outright antichrist when Christ comes. But the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses will not be the source whenever they are saying "peace and security."

I highly doubt that the WT will turn into an "antichrist."

 

[Melinda Riling]

I highly doubt that the WT will turn into an "antichrist."

No one would have believed WT would have had a 10 yr “SECRET” partnership with the UN 40 yrs ago. Then to still promote the UN agenda during COVID. This apostasy the WT committed and continues to commit its safe to say …. “you ain’t seen nothing yet”

 

[MyGodisJehovah30]

Scripturally, an "antichrist" is:

1. A misguided individual or Organization who denies both the Father and the Son. -1 John 2:22

2. Perhaps, an individual or Organization who denies that Jesus is the Christ. -1 John 2:22

3. An individual or Organization who denies or doesn't acknowledge that Christ came in the flesh. -2 John 1:7 and 1 John 4:3

So, by definition, I'm sure the WT will not turn into an "antichrist."

 

[MyGodisJehovah30]

No one would have believed WT would have had a 10 yr “SECRET” partnership with the UN 40 yrs ago. Then to still promote the UN agenda during COVID. This apostasy the WT committed and continues to commit its safe to say …. “you ain’t seen nothing yet”

Well, you certainly will not be seeing much for too much longer, since the Disgusting Thing will soon desolate the Watchtower Society and the Organization, sooner than you think.

 

[Melinda Riling]

Well, you certainly will not be seeing much for too much longer, since the Disgusting Thing will soon desolate the Watchtower Society and the Organization, sooner than you think.

The son of destruction…the man of lawlessness or the modern day Judas class will be in bed with the UN for all to see. The followers of men will continue following the one that stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. At that time WT will have a new headquarters…. It will be located at the UN.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

The son of destruction…the man of lawlessness or the modern day Judas class will be in bed with the UN for all to see. The followers of men will continue following the one that stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. At this time WT will have a new headquarters…. It will be located at the UN.

At this time WT will have a new headquarters…. It will be located at the UN.
REALLY??

 

[Brian]

Here are the most recent articles and videos I have posted on the topic

Peace and security and the future presence of Christ

Audio produced by AI-generated voice clone Over the years, I have posted numerous articles and a few videos on the topic of “peace and security.” That expression is related to a verse in the Bible —a prophecy found at 1 Thessalonians 5:3. For the unfamiliar, the verse states:

e-watchman.com

Whenever they are saying “peace and security”

JW Broadcast has uploaded a video entitled: Remain Watchful for “Peace and Security!” This topic has been considered and reconsidered on this site for many years; and of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses are frequently reminded of it in publications

e-watchman.com

Peace and Security and the Downfall of America

Friday, May 21Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them. —1 Thess. 5:3. World leaders sometimes use similar expressions when they talk about stabilizing relationships between nations. However, the announcement of “peace and...

e-watchman.com

Whenever they are saying “peace and security” – Then what?

Donald Trump has been called many things. It would be fair to say he is a Disrupter. Especially is that so when it comes to war and peace. Since his recent re-election, he has brought a critical Bible prophecy into focus. What prophecy? A prophecy most familiar to

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This cry of peace and security to my mind would be an event that has world wide ramifications. The instant destruction would also be a worldwide event. All the players would have to be involved, world leaders a consortium of them united behind one authoritative voice, initiating the destruction an eight king perhaps? Satan could have torched earth in mind, but as you point out God cuts things short due to the holy ones.
Does a death stroke take place at this time, perhaps. Then does the beast rise again with the death stroke being healed, then mankind is overwhelmed with appreciation and is compelled to follow the revived eighth king it being its only savior.

 

[SusanB]

Maybe the "they" are Jah's leaders.. Ezekiel and Jeremiah talk about Jah's leaders causing a breakdown or a fracture of God's people, and the leaders try to bandage the fracture up by telling them that there IS peace, when there's not, and then Jehovah tears them down.. All interesting stuff eh? Jehovah's people more than anyone else are totally focussed on the world's governments crying peace, could be a massive distraction.. Whatever, or however, or whoever, most of us on this forum won't be surprised or shocked, because we keep on the watch like Jesus said to.

I wondered the same thing for a while but then what helped me to better understand Robert King’s videos and writings on the subject is to remember that the Great Tribulation will bring sudden destruction but don’t forget the part about “THEY will by no means escape”. But there are people who will escape the Great Tribulation. Both righteous and wicked ones because Armageddon will be when all the wicked are destroyed and not before. It cannot be referring to individual people nor to all religious institutions because the scriptures show their destruction or salvation at a later time. So, the ones saying it are the same ones who will not escape, and it makes sense to me that it is the governments that will proclaim peace and security and it is ALL the existing governments that will be destroyed. (See Daniel 2:44) This harmonizes both with Revelation and the seeming death stroke on the 7th King as well as Ezekiel 31 where it describes America as a cedar tree and foretells its destruction, which then causes the destruction of other “trees” aka other governments. Don’t we know from the financial collapse in 2007-2008 that one country’s collapse then brings down other countries?

I am concluding that the Great Tribulation is caused by the utter failure of human rulership and that is why it will collapse from it’s own weaknesses, the biggest one of which is that wicked people get control of it because it belongs to Satan. So, it makes perfect sense to see Jehovah allow it to collapse from it’s own defects and at that time he empowers God’s Kingdom to begin ruling (let your kingdom come, let your will be done on earth). I think the Great Tribulation will be the result of no government and the chaos that will result from that. No existing human government will survive it. Some people will be begging for the safety of human government. That will be an opportunity to show faith in Jehovah’s promises in the future and it is also described in the scriptures as the harvest. Why? Because the anointed are tested and disciplined. If they survive, accept their discipline and keep faithful they will be sealed by Jesus. Jeremiah 9:7: “Therefore this is what Jehovah of armies says: ‘I will smelt them and test them, For what else can I do with the daughter of my people?’”

After the Great Tribulation is cut short by Jehovah (no doubt through miracles) and after the faithful anointed are sealed, they will begin their prophesying for the 3 1/2 years, exactly the same amount of time Jesus was on the earth. At the same time human rulership with Satan at the helm is revived into a global government (the 8th King) and these 2 governments will be the final test or choice for mankind, thus the mark of the beast. The end result will be Armageddon.

 

[SusanB]

I highly doubt that the WT will turn into an "antichrist."

I think they will deny it is Jesus at the 2nd coming. In fact, they are already putting themselves in his place by publicly announcing that they WILL be sealed with no chance of not being sealed. They have approved themselves. That is denying Jesus his role of choosing the faithful anointed ones.

 

[Melinda Riling]

At this time WT will have a new headquarters…. It will be located at the UN.
REALLY??

Yes by showing their full support to the UN aka 8th king

 

[Watchman]

I highly doubt that the WT will turn into an "antichrist."

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[MyGodisJehovah30]

I'm sorry, sis. But this particular interpretation doesn't nearly align with bible prophecy. Especially, since the anointed sons that's currently taking the lead — the Governing-body, will soon be hurled down with great force; when the judgment on God's house begin or during Christ's parousia. -Revelation 8:10-11. In that, Jehovah and Christ will soon remove and demote the antitypical "Shebna" from “office” and will strip them bare from their current position, promoting and appointing the antitypical "Eliakim(the two Witnesses)" to take their place. -Isaiah 22:17-19, Jeremiah 23:12, Jeremiah 23:15-20.

This spiritual fall and dismissal of the antitypical “Shebna,” is foretold in Revelation 8:10-11, which reads:

"The third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning like a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. The name of the star is Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the people died from the waters, because these had been made bitter."

So no, the WT will not (figuratively) have "a new headquarters located at the UN." I highly doubt it.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

This cry of peace and security to my mind would be an event that has world wide ramifications. The instant destruction would also be a worldwide event. All the players would have to be involved, world leaders a consortium of them united behind one authoritative voice, initiating the destruction an eight king perhaps? Satan could have torched earth in mind, but as you point out God cuts things short due to the holy ones.
Does a death stroke take place at this time, perhaps. Then does the beast rise again with the death stroke being healed, then mankind is overwhelmed with appreciation and is compelled to follow the revived eighth king it being its only savior.

Can you imagine if the 8th king that rises is a digital AI thingy, and that the internet has been switched off long enough for everyone to be so desperate to get back "online" that they'll do anything to access the virtual world again and maybe even to access the supermarkets? Nightmare scenario

 

[SusanB]

I'm sorry, sis. But this particular interpretation doesn't nearly align with bible prophecy. Especially, since the anointed sons that's currently taking the lead — the Governing-body, will soon be hurled down with great force; when the judgment on God's house begin or during Christ's parousia. -Revelation 8:10-11. In that, Jehovah and Christ will soon remove and demote the antitypical "Shebna" from “office” and will strip them bare from their current position, promoting and appointing the antitypical "Eliakim(the two Witnesses)" to take their place. -Isaiah 22:17-19, Jeremiah 23:12, Jeremiah 23:15-20.

This spiritual fall and dismissal of the antitypical “Shebna,” is foretold in Revelation 8:10-11, which reads:



So no, the WT will not (figuratively) have "a new headquarters located at the UN." I highly doubt it.

I understand, however, don’t forget that they will chirp from the ground like a spirit medium. No doubt they will be impotent as were the Pharisees once Jesus started teaching people the truth.

Isaiah 29:4: “You will be brought low; From the ground you will speak, And what you say will be muffled by dust. Your voice will come from the ground Like the voice of a spirit medium, And your words will chirp from the dust.”

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Yes by showing their full support to the UN aka 8th king

I see, and the brothers and sisters will just blindly follow along, believing everything they say