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[BroRando]

For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Matthew 24:37

It then goes on to say "and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away," so while the world may not see Christ, the result of Christ's return will be reflected in the collapse of this system. People were not marrying and drinking and partying during the early days of the flood.

Is that true?

• 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

38 For as they were in those days BEFORE the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the Presence of the Son of man will be.
Today aren't people still doing the same as they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will be? People are taking No Note. 1914 + 120 years (Gen 6:3)
Closer we get to 2034 so the Presence of the Son of man will be. Soon date setting will come to pass. even Jesus pointed to the timing and raising the temple of his body.

• Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19)

Jesus could have stated (John 2:19) in several ways.

• in three days
• on the third day
• after two days

The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033

So when we can expect the 144,000 of God’s temple to be raised up? "He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

The Body of Christ began to be collected on Pentecost 33 CE and will continue for two days of 1,000 years each before the third day begins 2034. 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 You won't find 2034 in the Bible, but you won't find 33 CE either. Yet, 33 CE was a 'timed event' that comes from the Messiah being cut off in the middle of that 70th week and Pentecost followed 50 days later. They looked with their eyes but they could not see. "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”(Rev 7:3)

We also get 1914 from the book of Daniel which was another 'timed event' that occurred about the time allotted for Gentile Rule. In the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy pointed to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.

 

[Ana]

Mateo 24:36. Nadie sabe. Fin. (Incluimos años por favor, centésimas de segundos, y cronologías varias)

 

[BroRando]

Mateo 24:36. Nadie sabe. Fin. (Incluimos años por favor, centésimas de segundos, y cronologías varias)

This answer was to a specific question. While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence, and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

Gentile times began in 607 BCE and ended in 1914.

• Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19)

Jesus could have stated (John 2:19) in several ways.

• in three days
• on the third day
• after two days

The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033

So when we can expect the 144,000 of God’s temple to be raised up? "He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

Take Care... Obviously the day was not a 24 hr period. Jesus was dead and could not raise himself. The Apostle Peter explains how long a day was in the beginning as it is in the end.

• However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8) Also (Genesis 2:17) Read Genesis 5:5

How long is the Day of Christ? 24 hrs? I think not.

• And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.

2034 represents the end of the 'time of distress' in the third day

 

[Ana]

This answer was to a specific question. While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence, and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

Gentile times began in 607 BCE and ended in 1914.

• Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19)

Take Care... Obviously the day was not a 24 hr period. Jesus was dead and could not raise himself. The Apostle Peter explains how all a day was in the beginning has it is in the end.

• However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8) Also (Genesis 2:17) Read Genesis 5:5

How long is the Day of Christ? 24 hrs? I think not.

• And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.

2034 represents the end of the 'time of distress' in the third day

Por esa regla de tres los cadáveres de los dos testigos estarán 3000 años en la gran ciudad después de que el sistema la bestia les dé muerte. Entonces habrá fósiles en la ciudad. Venga hombre!!

 

[BroRando]

Por esa regla de tres los cadáveres de los dos testigos estarán 3000 años en la gran ciudad después de que el sistema la bestia les dé muerte. Entonces habrá fósiles en la ciudad. Venga hombre!!

Thank you for your opinion but the question put to Jesus was not about the corpses of the two witnesses will be in the great city.

Here's how prophesy connects to the stream of time. 607 BCE to 1914 intro of last days + 120 year (Gen 6:3) = 2034 then silence in heaven for 1/2 hour when those marked for Survival keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign....

Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." The Bible Students Monthly, January, 1914.

• "Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to that period before the Flood, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."
  
  He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62) The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly." (Matthew 24:21)
  
  "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
  
  International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

 

[Ana]

Se que esa pregunta fue en respuesta a la conclusión del sistema. Pero si ofreces una medida divina como parámetro debes de aplicarlo a toda la escritura o aceptar que el día y la hora o el año no lo sabe nadie, incluido Russell. Es mejor fijarse en los acontecimientos que en los cálculos numéricos. Si hubiese sabido a qué hora viene el novio...es una advertencia para la fe este siempre en el lugar correcto, no sea que a uno le apetezca ser fiel solo antes de la llegada. Cuando llega? nos afecta, pero ni siquiera los apostoles vieron cumplir la profecia de la que hablaban. Jesús fue generoso hasta en eso, no les dio fechas, con todo el amor que les tenía, así la carrera fue lo más importante, la meta llegaría, no importaba cuando. Eso es lo más importante, que llegará cuando nadie lo sepa. Todo lo demás, Master Class, o no comprarás. Saludos león o cordero??

 

[BroRando]

Se que esa pregunta fue en respuesta a la conclusión del sistema. Pero si ofreces una medida divina como parámetro debes de aplicarlo a toda la escritura o aceptar que el día y la hora o el año no lo sabe nadie, incluido Russell. Es mejor fijarse en los acontecimientos que en los cálculos numéricos. Si hubiese sabido a qué hora viene el novio...es una advertencia para la fe este siempre en el lugar correcto, no sea que a uno le apetezca ser fiel solo antes de la llegada. Cuando llega? nos afecta, pero ni siquiera los apostoles vieron cumplir la profecia de la que hablaban. Jesús fue generoso hasta en eso, no les dio fechas, con todo el amor que les tenía, así la carrera fue lo más importante, la meta llegaría, no importaba cuando. Eso es lo más importante, que llegará cuando nadie lo sepa. Todo lo demás, Master Class, o no comprarás. Saludos león o cordero??

Give it some time. Jehovah chooses those whom he gives a heads up.

The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'timed events'. They have a Beginning and an End to them which covers a specific time period. Knowing such dates of a prophecy once revealed to those who are being ministered to, does not necessarily beget salvation. It doesn't give a person divine protection or extraordinary insight but it may make a person more accountable to Jehovah.” One would need to walk by faith...

Prophecies often unfold with two fulfilments. The first revealing of a prophecy is often referred to has a minor or physical fulfillment. The second revealing is referred to has a major or spiritual fulfillment on a much grander scale. Prophecies often are intertwined with other prophecies undergoing fulfillment and can overlap one another. However, each prophecy has a beginning and an end. They cover a specific period of time.

Yes and it all has to do with 'timing' to inform righteous ones in the time of end. "So that the living may know" in connection to the throne of David. “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. ('Many will rove about,*and the true knowledge will become abundant.") Daniel 12:4

Don't Give up, times will become heavier and heavier but soon that load slowly gets light and lighter, Soon the dates that has stumbled people are not the dates but the Stumbler themselves. You can stumble many times for the road is become cramped, start lightening your load sister. You came with nothing and real leave Satan system of things with nothing.

 

[Ana]

Give it some time. Jehovah chooses those whom he gives a heads up.

The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'timed events'. They have a Beginning and an End to them which covers a specific time period. Knowing such dates of a prophecy once revealed to those who are being ministered to, does not necessarily beget salvation. It doesn't give a person divine protection or extraordinary insight but it may make a person more accountable to Jehovah.” One would need to walk by faith...

Prophecies often unfold with two fulfilments. The first revealing of a prophecy is often referred to has a minor or physical fulfillment. The second revealing is referred to has a major or spiritual fulfillment on a much grander scale. Prophecies often are intertwined with other prophecies undergoing fulfillment and can overlap one another. However, each prophecy has a beginning and an end. They cover a specific period of time.

Yes and it all has to do with 'timing' to inform righteous ones in the time of end. "So that the living may know" in connection to the throne of David. “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. ('Many will rove about,*and the true knowledge will become abundant.") Daniel 12:4

Don't Give up, times will become heavier and heavier but soon that load slowly gets light and lighter, Soon the dates that has stumbled people are not the dates but the Stumbler themselves. You can stumble many times for the road is become cramped, start lightening your load sister. You came with nothing and real leave Satan system of things with nothing.

Sin nada nadie llega. Todos llegamos con el pecado, y algunos cargamos en la piel el pecado de los demás. Ya me gustaría haber llegado sin nada a este mundo. Sería un sueño. No se trata de rendirse, pues aquí estamos teniendo un conocimiento grandioso para entender cada día más lo que Jehová espera de nosotros. Cuando la manifestación de Jesús a su esclavo se lleve a cabo y pase la prueba, entonces quizás para los demás mortales las fechas sean más claras. Hechos 2:17-21. Los últimos días están por empezar. Hasta ese momento todo es vanidad.

 

[Jahrule]

Is that true?

• 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

38 For as they were in those days BEFORE the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the Presence of the Son of man will be.
Today aren't people still doing the same as they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will be? People are taking No Note. 1914 + 120 years (Gen 6:3)
Closer we get to 2034 so the Presence of the Son of man will be. Soon date setting will come to pass. even Jesus pointed to the timing and raising the temple of his body.

• Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19)

Jesus could have stated (John 2:19) in several ways.

• in three days
• on the third day
• after two days

The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033

So when we can expect the 144,000 of God’s temple to be raised up? "He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

The Body of Christ began to be collected on Pentecost 33 CE and will continue for two days of 1,000 years each before the third day begins 2034. 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 You won't find 2034 in the Bible, but you won't find 33 CE either. Yet, 33 CE was a 'timed event' that comes from the Messiah being cut off in the middle of that 70th week and Pentecost followed 50 days later. They looked with their eyes but they could not see. "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”(Rev 7:3)

We also get 1914 from the book of Daniel which was another 'timed event' that occurred about the time allotted for Gentile Rule. In the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy pointed to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.

It doesn't say they were eating and drinking DURING the presence. It says it will be like the days of Noah in the sense they were not taking note until the presence begins. The presence in this case is like the flood. Otherwise what the heck are they being swept away by, an ongoing cavalcade of temporal monotony? It makes no sense to claim the beginning of the presence is what is like the days of Noah if that means they are continuing to take no note even during the presence! If that's the case that would apply to all times since people have always not taken note of God's impending judgments until that judgment arrived. The key phrase there is until judgment arrived. A better way to tell us what you're saying would be to say, "The presence of the son of man will be indistinguishable from all the other days of humankind." LOL. No, dude. That's pull your eyebrows out stupid. Jah was contrasting the fact that during the times of Noah people were not ready for what was coming -- namely, the flood. In the future that would be the presence.

Similarly, God's judgements are often described as a flood or a storm.

Isaiah 28:15-17: "Because you men say, 'We have made a covenant with death, And with the Grave, we have made an agreement; If a storm passes through, it cannot reach us, For we have made a lie our refuge and we have hidden ourselves in falsehood.'"

Jeremiah 23:19-20: "Look! The storm of Jehovah will burst out in fury, A whirling storm that will whirl down on the head of the wicked. The anger of Jehovah will not turn back Until he has done and accomplished the ideas of his heart. In the final part of the days you will clearly understand it.

Ezekiel 13:10-13: "Because they have misled my people by saying, 'There is peace!' when there is no peace, and because the one who is building a mere partition wall, they are the ones coating it with whitewash, say to those coating it with whitewash that it will fall. And you will know that I am Jehovah when I cause a storm of rage to burst out and when I bring torrential rain and hailstones, fire and sulphur."

Clearly, you are as attached to 1914 as the Trinitarians are with their false beliefs, but let me ask you this to prove me wrong. What way is there to falsify your position on this issue? Can anything happen to make you question this? How could it be falsified? If nothing can falsify it then you are admitting bias. If it's unfalsifiable then your beliefs are forever safe stuck in your head regardless if it is true. This question could be posed back at me. Fair enough, so I'll explain how I could be forced to admit I am wrong. If for example, at the start of the tribulation Babylon the Great starts by destroying false religion, that's a big start. So I reiterate, what could happen in the future that would cause you to reexamine this assumption about 1914?

 

[BroRando]

It doesn't say they were eating and drinking DURING the presence. It says it will be like the days of Noah in the sense they were not taking note until the presence begins.

It doesn't say they STOPPED eating and drinking DURING the presence. It says it will be like the days of Noah in the sense they were not taking note until the presence begins. (120 years)

Ahhhh! And there it is. Took some time but time not something we have a lot of....

 

[Jahrule]

It doesn't say they STOPPED eating and drinking DURING the presence. It says it will be like the days of Noah in the sense they were not taking note until the presence begins. (120 years)

Ahhhh! And there it is. Took some time but time not something we have a lot of....

Have you ever continued to eat, drink, and marry while being swept up in a flood? You also did not answer my question. How could 1914 be falsified? What if another world war breaks out when Watchtower claims that isn't possible? Do you even acknowledge the possibility of error? I do because I recognize how easy it is to be completely wrong. I used to be an atheist. So trust me I know how easy it is to deceive ourselves.

 

[Jahrule]

... time not something we have a lot of....

This much we can agree on.

 

[Jahrule]

I may have found evidence I am wrong. It seems I've found actual footage from the flood. This must have been exactly what it was like for the people outside the ark.

 

[BroRando]

Have you ever continued to eat, drink, and marry while being swept up in a flood? You also did not answer my question. How could 1914 be falsified? What if another world war breaks out when Watchtower claims that isn't possible? Do you even acknowledge the possibility of error? I do because I recognize how easy it is to be completely wrong. I used to be an atheist. So trust me I know how easy it is to deceive ourselves.

Since it was an allotted amount of time, 120 period, they all

eat, drink, and marry while BEFORE being swept up in a flood

Another War does break out but it is a Spiritual One- Armageddon the crushing of Satan's System of things.

2 Chronicles 20:17​

You will not need to fight this battle. Take your position, stand still, and see the salvation of Jehovah in your behalf. O Judah and Jerusalem, do not be afraid or be terrified. Tomorrow go out against them, and Jehovah will be with you.’”

Over 100 years ago, on January 1914, Charles T Russell, wrote about the End of the Gentile Times. The worldly nations would no longer rule over mankind unfettered but would be marked for destruction. "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time." (Rev 12:12)

Today... you are feeling Satan's woes... but it will come to an end soon. The part you are looking for... right?

 

[Jahrule]

Since it was an allotted amount of time, 120 period, they all


Another War does break out but it is a Spiritual One- Armageddon the crushing of Satan's System of things.

2 Chronicles 20:17​

You will not need to fight this battle. Take your position, stand still, and see the salvation of Jehovah in your behalf. O Judah and Jerusalem, do not be afraid or be terrified. Tomorrow go out against them, and Jehovah will be with you.’”

Over 100 years ago, on January 1914, Charles T Russell, wrote about the End of the Gentile Times. The worldly nations would no longer rule over mankind unfettered but would be marked for destruction. "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time." (Rev 12:12)

Today... you are feeling Satan's woes... but it will come to an end soon. The part you are looking for... right?

You still haven't answered my question. Can 1914 be falsified or not? Could your reasoning be wrong? If the answer is no then we're done. I don't care what Russell says. Russell did not die for me, Christ did. He is my authority, and he gave me a bunch of reasons to distrust anyone saying the presence is here.

 

[BroRando]

You still haven't answered my question. Can 1914 be falsified or not? Could your reasoning be wrong? If the answer is no then we're done. I don't care what Russell says. Russell did not die for me, Christ did. He is my authority, and he gave me a bunch of reasons to distrust anyone saying the presence is here.

If Jehovah changes his schedule but the scripture claims Jehovah is the Perfect Timekeeper. Not only does 1914 lead up to 2034 so does Jesus Christ in his prophecy.

John 2:19​

Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Only two methods of understanding this. One, if a day it's 24 hrs or two, a day is a 1,000 years.

With Scriptural Support of the timing. The timing is he specifically speaking about here is raising of the temple of his body. (John 2:21)

You recently learned the day in Genesis 2:17 was how long? Adam died within the day of a thousand years. (Genesis 5:5) Jesus Christ stated “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

If the days were 24 hr periods totaling 72 hours. Then in the third day we would be in Christ Millennial Reign. That's why the scriptures state, Not to be Shaken. Could Jesus be using the same measure of time that Jah did in Genesis 2:17. Ever hear of the saying, "Like Father Like Son"?

The explanation of 1914 was about a time of trouble that could last 120 years, like the days of Noah. 1914 + 120 yrs =2034
Jesus Christ timing about raising the God's temple also points to 2034.

Two days of turmoil would be on the earth but in the third day (Christ Millennial Reign) so the question begs are the days 48 hrs or 2,000 years. What do you think?

He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth. (Hosea 6:2-3)

 

[Jahrule]

If Jehovah changes his schedule but the scripture claims Jehovah is the Perfect Timekeeper. Not only does 1914 lead up to 2034 so does Jesus Christ in his prophecy.

John 2:19​

Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Only two methods of understanding this. One, if a day it's 24 hrs or two, a day is a 1,000 years.

With Scriptural Support of the timing. The timing is he specifically speaking about here is raising of the temple of his body. (John 2:21)

You recently learned the day in Genesis 2:17 was how long? Adam died within the day of a thousand years. (Genesis 5:5) Jesus Christ stated “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

If the days were 24 hr periods totaling 72 hours. Then in the third day we would be in Christ Millennial Reign. That's why the scriptures state, Not to be Shaken. Could Jesus be using the same measure of time that Jah did in Genesis 2:17. Ever hear of the saying, "Like Father Like Son"?

The explanation of 1914 was about a time of trouble that could last 120 years, like the days of Noah. 1914 + 120 yrs =2034
Jesus Christ timing about raising the God's temple also points to 2034.

Two days of turmoil would be on the earth but in the third day (Christ Millennial Reign) so the question begs are the days 48 hrs or 2,000 years. What do you think?

He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him. We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain, Like a spring rain that saturates the earth. (Hosea 6:2-3)

So in other words, your reasoning cannot be wrong. 1914 was wrong therefore the whole bible must be false and God was in error. If things pan out differently that you imagine because you're so perfect then it means Jehovah was at fault. Got it. You are done, sir. This is exactly the crap I am talking about with you being as attached to 1914 as a Trinitarian is with their view of God. In fact, I've seen Tranitarians who were more reasonable. At least some of them are able to admit they might be wrong. Not you, though. Now I truly understand why many will be stumbled when the actual presence begins. Reply if you want. I am done with you.

 

[BroRando]

So in other words, your reasoning cannot be wrong. 1914 was wrong therefore the whole bible must be false and God was in error. If things pan out differently that you imagine because you're so perfect then it means Jehovah was at fault. Got it. You are done, sir. This is exactly the crap I am talking about with you being as attached to 1914 as a Trinitarian is with their view of God. In fact, I've seen Tranitarians who were more reasonable. At least some of them are able to admit they might be wrong. Not you, though. Now I truly understand why many will be stumbled when the actual presence begins. Reply if you want. I am done with you.

Okay, I'll respect that. As I stated earlier "dates" will soon be a thing of the past. I'll leave my door open to you for a later time.

Take Care.

 

[Jahrule]

Okay, I'll respect that. As I stated earlier "dates" will soon be a thing of the past. I'll leave my door open to you for a later time.

Take Care.

Not trying to be rude. I have nothing against you personally. It just bothers me when people try to pin their understanding on Jah. We error. God does not. As if their reasoning is so perfect that when things happen differently Jehovah must have changed his mind. This is not the kind of reasoning I respect. I still see you as a brother, and brothers often disagree. I wish you well.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

I've often wondered who I'd be and where I'd be if my mom hadn't drug me to 3 meetings a week and made me study the books and watchtowers.
Do you know where or how these people who never attended the Hall learned the truth?
Would we understand one word of what watchman has written if we hadn't been first taught by WBTS? Or are you just speaking about no Trinity, no hellfire, etc etc? Even just the basic Bible truths are not readily available outside the borg. Not that they can't be found, certainly, but I doubt I would have found them. Someone would have to be very motivated and already very spiritual.--- Imo.

I used to believe this. Since I've left, I have found out it was yet another WT lie that they told us to keep us in just like an abusive man tells his woman "nobody else will ever love you".

Here's a recent book I purchased called "Why Some Christians Don't Believe in the Trinity"'

https://www.amazon.com/Some-Christians-Dont-Believe-Trinity/dp/B0CMKB1KY6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MQKGXWRJH49E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PXcKOwhkiTacok2pYIN9HoT31L0yljx1rByVRYksxT3r6Rz89Y_M3KfLqiSeR5s-gS9DUUgrWWflAqMNhR9w-Q_mbqfKfApCQto4PVa24wtJk48lSze6Njsts0NZTaoO.MUnvwxNoawtMiZplENQ-qQdqk-5SpsKZLyeavmohs8g&dib_tag=se&keywords=forrest+maready+trinity&qid=1709767521&sprefix=forrest+maready+trinity%2Caps%2C471&sr=8-1

And the Youtube Channel "Passion for Truth" with Jim Staley uses God's name Yahweh and doesn't celebrate the holidays.

Othere channels also use Yahweh and I have found many alternative media "truther" channels that don't celebrate the holidays or believe in a soul that survives after death.

Hellfire is something that turns many people off.

And most Americans don't vote.

Morality? Well, that's questionable, but in many congregations of JW's, it's questionable there, too, especially in Southern California.

And for the preaching work, just last week I had two young women show up at my door. At first, I though that they were JW's but just either new to the hall that I stopped attending or from another congreation. Nope.

They were MORMON. They looked just like JW's. And their message? "Can we share an encouraging thought from the Bible about Jesus with you?"

Huh? Really?? If they didn't have their LDS name badges on, I could have sworn that they were JW's.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

I had a conversation the other day with some young 7th Day Adventists. I told them I was a witness of Jehovah. They told me they use God's name Jehovah in their worship. It was a really cool conversation, much easier to relate to than if I was having a convo with a trinitarian.

I studied with a SDA and they also believe in a paradise earth as well as no life after death.

 

[Jahrule]

I used to believe this. Since I've left, I have found out it was yet another WT lie that they told us to keep us in just like an abusive man tells his woman "nobody else will ever love you".

Here's a recent book I purchased called "Why Some Christians Don't Believe in the Trinity"'

https://www.amazon.com/Some-Christians-Dont-Believe-Trinity/dp/B0CMKB1KY6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MQKGXWRJH49E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PXcKOwhkiTacok2pYIN9HoT31L0yljx1rByVRYksxT3r6Rz89Y_M3KfLqiSeR5s-gS9DUUgrWWflAqMNhR9w-Q_mbqfKfApCQto4PVa24wtJk48lSze6Njsts0NZTaoO.MUnvwxNoawtMiZplENQ-qQdqk-5SpsKZLyeavmohs8g&dib_tag=se&keywords=forrest+maready+trinity&qid=1709767521&sprefix=forrest+maready+trinity%2Caps%2C471&sr=8-1

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And the Youtube Channel "Passion for Truth" with Jim Staley uses God's name Yahweh and doesn't celebrate the holidays.

Othere channels also use Yahweh and I have found many alternative media "truther" channels that don't celebrate the holidays or believe in a soul that survives after death.

Hellfire is something that turns many people off.

And most Americans don't vote.

Morality? Well, that's questionable, but in many congregations of JW's, it's questionable there, too, especially in Southern California.

And for the preaching work, just last week I had two young women show up at my door. At first, I though that they were JW's but just either new to the hall that I stopped attending or from another congreation. Nope.

They were MORMON. They looked just like JW's. And their message? "Can we share an encouraging thought from the Bible about Jesus with you?"

Huh? Really?? If they didn't have their LDS name badges on, I could have sworn that they were JW's.

There's a lot of Christians who don't believe in a trinity nowadays. More and more regular people are seeing through the nonsense. We still likely have some disagreements with them on other issues, but at the end of the day we're all wrong about something. Here's a few channels I am subscribed to.

This young man is very smart. As far as I know, he figured all this stuff out on his own just through independent study. He believes in a paradise earth, he rejects a literal hell, and he doesn't believe in the trinity. The only difference I've seen so far is that he doesn't understand that Jesus preexisted his birth. Still like his work, though.