Who is God's "representative" in today's Watchtower study?

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Paragraph 8..
"Peter proved that he had faith in Jehovah by obeying the direction he received. For instance, while in the port city of Joppa, Peter had a vision in which God’s representative told him to slaughter and eat animals that, according to the Mosaic Law, were unclean."
All the comments by the brothers and sisters including the Watchtower conductor himself are all comparing this experience of Peter's to obeying the GB, God's "representative" today.. was the "representative" back in Peter's day, who gave Peter the vision, Jesus himself? Or
Is my memory failing me. If it WAS Jesus, why is the Watchtower now calling Jesus, God's "representative" rather than just saying "Jesus gave Peter a vision"?
 
Paragraph 8..
"Peter proved that he had faith in Jehovah by obeying the direction he received. For instance, while in the port city of Joppa, Peter had a vision in which God’s representative told him to slaughter and eat animals that, according to the Mosaic Law, were unclean."
All the comments by the brothers and sisters including the Watchtower conductor himself are all comparing this experience of Peter's to obeying the GB, God's "representative" today.. was the "representative" back in Peter's day, who gave Peter the vision, Jesus himself? Or
Is my memory failing me. If it WAS Jesus, why is the Watchtower now calling Jesus, God's "representative" rather than just saying "Jesus gave Peter a vision"?
Funny your post came on at the same time as mine. Great minds? SNAP!!!!!!! :D
 
I know. How bizarre??? I went back and refreshed my screen and when I saw your post I first thought it was a reply to mine!!! I was thinking "What the? What's her reply doing over here? Glitch in the Matrix???" 😲
Must've been Jehovah's "representative" bringing us together 😂
My meeting was still going on when I wrote my question, it was 11:15 am What time did you write yours in koala land?
 
Must've been Jehovah's "representative" bringing us together 😂
My meeting was still going on when I wrote my question, it was 11:15 am What time did you write yours in koala land?
I Posted at 10Pm Sunday Time. There are two meetings uploaded on the YT channel. One Yank version and one Aussie. Interesting that the Yanks pushed far harder than the Aussies on paragraph 8. Quite a difference in intensity.

Metaphorically the Yanks are like a Can Can dancer after two boxes of Ritilan and a Vat full of raspberry cordial. The Aussie are more like a Stoned Surfer on a Beach who thinks he is a Can Can dancer deep in the crevices of his soul. :cool:
 
I Posted at 10Pm Sunday Time. There are two meetings uploaded on the YT channel. One Yank version and one Aussie. Interesting that the Yanks pushed far harder than the Aussies on paragraph 8. Quite a difference in intensity.

Metaphorically the Yanks are like a Can Can dancer after two boxes of Ritilan and a Vat full of raspberry cordial. The Aussie are more like a Stoned Surfer on a Beach who thinks he is a Can Can dancer deep in the crevices of his soul. :cool:
Well, the Brits were just as bad as the yanks by the sounds of it, well, my particular congregation for sure 🙄 Give me a stoned surfer ANY day rather than the ritilan brigade!! When something is happening in my meeting which makes me speechless, I have to mention it at that moment or I'll forget about it, because there's just too much shocking stuff goes on now 😶
 
Well, the Brits were just as bad as the yanks by the sounds of it, well, my particular congregation for sure 🙄 Give me a stoned surfer ANY day rather than the ritilan brigade!! When something is happening in my meeting which makes me speechless, I have to mention it at that moment or I'll forget about it, because there's just too much shocking stuff goes on now 😶
I know. It's coming more and more and faster and faster. It's like every week now there is some comment ascribing Divinity to the Org/GB.

It's really strange to observe. Things will coast along OK for a section and then everyone gets their Cult Pants on and starts going all Jonestown on ya.

It's a Pickle I tells ya Proverbs. A dead set doody. (said like a cross between an Old Western Gold Digger and a Banjo Picker from I don't know where 🥴)
 
I know. It's coming more and more and faster and faster. It's like every week now there is some comment ascribing Divinity to the Org/GB.

It's really strange to observe. Things will coast along OK for a section and then everyone gets their Cult Pants on and starts going all Jonestown on ya.

It's a Pickle I tells ya Proverbs. A dead set doody. (said like a cross between an Old Western Gold Digger and a Banjo Picker from I don't know where 🥴)
Your last paragraph actually made me think of Midnight Cowboy! Funny film 😁
 
My understanding of the scripture - years ago - was that the consumption of “unclean” animals was representative of the inclusion of non-Jewish people under the ransom. Is this not the case? I can see the relevance of the gb stating that they are unclean though. I think that has been obvious for years now.
 
My understanding of the scripture - years ago - was that the consumption of “unclean” animals was representative of the inclusion of non-Jewish people under the ransom. Is this not the case? I can see the relevance of the gb stating that they are unclean though. I think that has been obvious for years now.
Yeh but who sent the vision to Peter Barney? Jesus or the GB? (both being Jehovah's "representative" according to today's Watchtower study 😂)
 
Yeh but who sent the vision to Peter Barney? Jesus or the GB? (both being Jehovah's "representative" according to today's Watchtower study 😂)
I see! Light dawns. I’m very thick sometimes. I really wonder what is going on in those meetings the gb have where they decide to endow themselves with these honours of leadership and guidance. They are drunk on something - either alcohol or self aggrandisement - maybe both. It won’t be long before they have their “Moses moment’.
 
I see! Light dawns. I’m very thick sometimes. I really wonder what is going on in those meetings the gb have where they decide to endow themselves with these honours of leadership and guidance. They are drunk on something - either alcohol or self aggrandisement - maybe both. It won’t be long before they have their “Moses moment’.
I hope it's not much longer Barney 😃
 
Essentially, the GB are claiming equality with Jesus. That is to be expected since the man of lawlessness will reveal himself to be a god and lift himself above all other objects of reverence and stand in opposition to Christ.
 
We had a special meeting last weekend, all of Canada congregations connected to the branch in Ontario since there was a visit of the 'representative' of the GB.
The WT was just a summary.
I used NotebookLM to create a summary. During the meeting which was about 2.5h I asked how many times it was said in a variance to trust the 'slave':


"Based on the provided transcript, the concepts of following direction, trusting the "channel," and obeying the organization or governing body are stressed in about 10 distinct instances.
Here is a breakdown of how and where these variants are emphasized:
Following Direction from the Governing Body / Organization

  • 1. The speaker notes that headquarters representatives visit to ensure matters are conducted "in harmony with the direction from the governing body".
  • 2. Listeners are instructed to stick close to Jehovah's organization and "follow the direction that Jesus is giving us through the governing body".
  • 3. The audience is told to "follow the guidance that Jehovah is giving to us through the organization" and to "be obedient to it".
  • 4. The speaker highlights the spiritual peace that comes when "obeying Jehovah's direction".
  • 5. Believers are encouraged to imitate King David by seeking counsel and "applying that direction" when making decisions.
  • 6. Listeners are reminded that Jehovah guides people through "responsible brothers in the organization appointed to take the lead".
Trusting and Feeding through the "Channel"
  • 7. The speaker explicitly asks the audience: "Can we have faith, trust in Jehovah and Jesus, and the channel that Jehovah is using today that they'll help us?".
  • 8. When describing how to satisfy spiritual needs, a speaker points to an example of a sister who is "feeding on God's word through the channel that Jehovah is using today".
Listening to the "Faithful Slave" and the Language of the Organization
  • 9. The text stresses that Jehovah uses "the faith and discrete slave, the governing body to help train our perceptive powers," noting that the faithful slave encourages how things should be done.
  • 10. The audience is urged to become "well acquainted with the language of the organization" so they can recognize and follow "unspoken messages." For example, if the organization says "we do not recommend this course" or "it is not wise," members should use sound reasoning to follow that underlying direction."

I expanded a bit on a concept I don't think I heard before: "unspoken messages from the organization". During that part it was mentioned that we shouldn't expect a rigid rulebook....Not sure if he was talking about the same organization :oops:

"To expand further on the concepts of "unspoken messages" and the "language of the organization," the speaker provides more detailed examples of how believers are expected to process these indirect directives and explains the underlying motivation for communicating this way.
Developing Familiarity to Read Unspoken Messages The speaker notes that the reason we can understand a "mere look" from a parent or a spouse is simply that we "spend a lot of time with our loved ones". Through this time together, we become "well acquainted with their way of thinking and their way of doing things".
To translate this to a spiritual level, believers must put in the same kind of time to understand the unspoken messages from God and the organization. The speaker specifically highlights that this requires "reading his word, the Bible, engaging in personal study and meditation". By doing these things regularly, a believer becomes "more in tune attuned to Jehovah's thinking," which makes discerning these subtle messages possible.
Decoding the "Language of the Organization" The Governing Body's goal is to help believers get "behind the direction" rather than just taking words at face value. The speaker gives a very specific example of how the "language of the organization" works, and how someone might wrongly react to it:

  • If the organization states, "we do not recommend this course," a person might be tempted to use a loophole, reasoning: "Well, the organization said they don't recommend. They didn't say we couldn't do it".
  • The speaker explicitly challenges this mindset, asking the audience, "Is that sound thinking? Is that sound reasoning?".
  • Similarly, if the organization says, "it is not wise," the speaker implies that it would be flawed reasoning to conclude that it is therefore "okay" to do.
Believers are expected to use their "power of reason" to recognize that a strong recommendation against something is actually an unspoken message to avoid it entirely.
The Rejection of "Dos and Don'ts" The speaker makes it clear that members should never expect a rigid rulebook for their personal lives. He states that believers are "not going to get" a list of "dos and don'ts," giving the specific examples that the organization will not dictate: "You can listen to this song, but you cannot listen to this song. You can wear this, but you can't wear that".
A Matter of Dignity and Trust Ultimately, the speaker explains that this reliance on unspoken messages and principles rather than strict rules is done intentionally to "dignify us". He states that the Governing Body loves the members and has "confidence that we're going to make the right decision" by applying Bible principles and using our own power of reason, rather than needing to be explicitly told exactly what to do in every situation."
 
We had a special meeting last weekend, all of Canada congregations connected to the branch in Ontario since there was a visit of the 'representative' of the GB.
The WT was just a summary.
I used NotebookLM to create a summary. During the meeting which was about 2.5h I asked how many times it was said in a variance to trust the 'slave':


"Based on the provided transcript, the concepts of following direction, trusting the "channel," and obeying the organization or governing body are stressed in about 10 distinct instances.
Here is a breakdown of how and where these variants are emphasized:
Following Direction from the Governing Body / Organization

  • 1. The speaker notes that headquarters representatives visit to ensure matters are conducted "in harmony with the direction from the governing body".
  • 2. Listeners are instructed to stick close to Jehovah's organization and "follow the direction that Jesus is giving us through the governing body".
  • 3. The audience is told to "follow the guidance that Jehovah is giving to us through the organization" and to "be obedient to it".
  • 4. The speaker highlights the spiritual peace that comes when "obeying Jehovah's direction".
  • 5. Believers are encouraged to imitate King David by seeking counsel and "applying that direction" when making decisions.
  • 6. Listeners are reminded that Jehovah guides people through "responsible brothers in the organization appointed to take the lead".
Trusting and Feeding through the "Channel"
  • 7. The speaker explicitly asks the audience: "Can we have faith, trust in Jehovah and Jesus, and the channel that Jehovah is using today that they'll help us?".
  • 8. When describing how to satisfy spiritual needs, a speaker points to an example of a sister who is "feeding on God's word through the channel that Jehovah is using today".
Listening to the "Faithful Slave" and the Language of the Organization
  • 9. The text stresses that Jehovah uses "the faith and discrete slave, the governing body to help train our perceptive powers," noting that the faithful slave encourages how things should be done.
  • 10. The audience is urged to become "well acquainted with the language of the organization" so they can recognize and follow "unspoken messages." For example, if the organization says "we do not recommend this course" or "it is not wise," members should use sound reasoning to follow that underlying direction."

I expanded a bit on a concept I don't think I heard before: "unspoken messages from the organization". During that part it was mentioned that we shouldn't expect a rigid rulebook....Not sure if he was talking about the same organization :oops:

"To expand further on the concepts of "unspoken messages" and the "language of the organization," the speaker provides more detailed examples of how believers are expected to process these indirect directives and explains the underlying motivation for communicating this way.
Developing Familiarity to Read Unspoken Messages The speaker notes that the reason we can understand a "mere look" from a parent or a spouse is simply that we "spend a lot of time with our loved ones". Through this time together, we become "well acquainted with their way of thinking and their way of doing things".
To translate this to a spiritual level, believers must put in the same kind of time to understand the unspoken messages from God and the organization. The speaker specifically highlights that this requires "reading his word, the Bible, engaging in personal study and meditation". By doing these things regularly, a believer becomes "more in tune attuned to Jehovah's thinking," which makes discerning these subtle messages possible.
Decoding the "Language of the Organization" The Governing Body's goal is to help believers get "behind the direction" rather than just taking words at face value. The speaker gives a very specific example of how the "language of the organization" works, and how someone might wrongly react to it:

  • If the organization states, "we do not recommend this course," a person might be tempted to use a loophole, reasoning: "Well, the organization said they don't recommend. They didn't say we couldn't do it".
  • The speaker explicitly challenges this mindset, asking the audience, "Is that sound thinking? Is that sound reasoning?".
  • Similarly, if the organization says, "it is not wise," the speaker implies that it would be flawed reasoning to conclude that it is therefore "okay" to do.
Believers are expected to use their "power of reason" to recognize that a strong recommendation against something is actually an unspoken message to avoid it entirely.
The Rejection of "Dos and Don'ts" The speaker makes it clear that members should never expect a rigid rulebook for their personal lives. He states that believers are "not going to get" a list of "dos and don'ts," giving the specific examples that the organization will not dictate: "You can listen to this song, but you cannot listen to this song. You can wear this, but you can't wear that".
A Matter of Dignity and Trust Ultimately, the speaker explains that this reliance on unspoken messages and principles rather than strict rules is done intentionally to "dignify us". He states that the Governing Body loves the members and has "confidence that we're going to make the right decision" by applying Bible principles and using our own power of reason, rather than needing to be explicitly told exactly what to do in every situation."
Plausible deniability.🫤
 
If the organization states, "we do not recommend this course," a person might be tempted to use a loophole, reasoning: "Well, the organization said they don't recommend.
Yeah, and if the organization says, "99% of Bethel is vaccinated", we all got the "unspoken message." Which is not so "unspoken" we all 100% got "unspoken message loud and clear. But I can sum this up a lot briefer, they are called "NPC's." And they are just waiting for the next update from their programmers, the GB.

"the Governing Body loves the members and has "confidence that we're going to make the right decision""... does anyone have any wonder what that "right decision" is? Don't ask questions of any kind! Don't even think about any questions of the GB. Ignore those guys like Abraham and Moses who questioned Jehovah God, but don't ignore them when they are using them as an example why you had better "obey the GB.
 
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