Why are there so many arguments in this Forum?

YAMW said:
You're right.

I don't know neither the "hour," "day," nor the month. But again, I certainly do know of the "year" of Christ's return. And I'm surely confident in that because Hosea 6:2 reveals it, and the antitypical fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 further confirms it.
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Yep, this is exactly what Jesus meant , you wouldn't know the day or hour but you could know the year! Got it!
 
YAMW said:
If me believing in Hosea 6:2, means that I am - in your kind words, "ignorant and dangerous."

Then sure, I'll gladly be that.
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Stop it right now. I believe you want Robert to shut this thread down really. You haven’t listened to anything you have read which tells me that’s what you want. Hosea 6:2 and Daniel 9:27 is only your interpretation.
This is the kind of thing that brings about worthless arguments that end up nowhere. Can’t you go somewhere else and do whatever you’re doing to cause contention?
 
I'll leave it alone.👌

(Since apparently I'm not abled to fully defend myself against those attacking me, without getting banned.)
 
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Nomex said:
Maybe you could use something like, I don't know Bible evidence, to back up your claims. Use the Bible and you'd have nothing to worry about.
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Nomex. I say this in the most polite way as possible.

Please do not reply to anymore of my responses, alright?

Have a wonderful day.
 
YAMW said:
I'll leave it alone.👌

(Since apparently I'm not abled to fully defend myself against those attacking me, without getting banned.)
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Ha! You’ve just posted a new thread to continue what you’ve already started. As the saying goes:

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”​

 
YAMW said:
Nomex. I say this in the most polite way as possible.

Please do not reply to anymore of my responses, alright?
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LOL...that sounds an awful lot like a threat! You better be able to back that up there buddy! ROFLOL!
 
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YAMW said:
Nomex. I say this in the most polite way as possible.

Please do not reply to anymore of my responses, alright?
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Hey buddy, when Nomex takes off his suit, you have to deal with Nomex! My suit protects Batman! Nomex doesn't care!
 
YAMW said:
Please do not reply to anymore of my responses, alright?
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This is like posting "wet paint, do not touch." Oh, and did I say "you're an idiot"??! I think I had to, that was part of the whole, "
wet paint" thing!
 
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The worst thing ABOUT a "wet paint" THREAT, is the waiting! Hey jackass, YAMW, I'm waiting...I have things to do, I can't
just wait around to see what you're going to do! I have stuff to do! DON'T TOUCH IT!
 
YAMW said:
You're right.

I don't know neither the "hour," "day," nor the month. But again, I certainly do know of the "year" of Christ's return. And I'm surely confident in that because Hosea 6:2 reveals it, and the antitypical fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 further confirms it.
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I'm open minded to most ideas because my faith is unbreakable. What I find difficult to agree with is your language. I have many off the way theories, none of which I say are 100% true. I believe it's important to bounce conjecture off of likeminded brothers & sisters because... Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens his friend." It takes humility to accept when I'm wrong, but I am a humble person thanks to years of begging Jehovah for this quality.

In debating the Bible with my son and other non-JWs, I've had to learn how to be less dogmatic on some things, while standing my ground on others. Is this your line in the sand... your hill to die on? Has Jehovah spoken to you directly, or through your conscience? I'm actually on your side on this one in some respects and have an open mind to seeing things from your point of view. BUT I'm not going to say you're definitely correct; we just don't know. As I've said more than once, the Bible is written in code, and Jesus spoke in code. The original Bible students broke some of that code, but then demonically inspired men, working as the MOL, took charge and look what happened.

My son believes we're in the Millennial Kingdom, as do most so-called Christians. The FACT that we're approaching exactly 2,000 years since Jesus' 1st hour is not something I can ignore. That said, I plan to keep my lamp filled to the brim with oil. Whether the end comes tomorrow or is delayed doesn't matter to me; I plan to be ready to go. I also plan to live my life and enjoy each and every day until I'm given an assignment. I suggest everyone do the same.
 
When it comes to intrenched positions, we should heed the advice of Gamaliel.

Acts 5:34-39 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel rose in the Sanhedrin; he was a Law teacher esteemed by all the people, and he gave the command to put the men outside for a little while. Then he said to them: “Men of Israel, be careful as to what you intend to do about these men. For instance, before these days Theudas rose up, saying he himself was somebody, and a number of men, about 400, joined his party. But he was done away with, and all those who were following him were dispersed and came to nothing. After him, Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of the registration, and he drew followers after himself. That man also perished, and all those who were following him were scattered. So under the present circumstances, I say to you, do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.”
 
Great advice to follow:

"Read everything, listen to everybody believe nothing unless you can prove it with your own research."

~William Cooper

1 Thessalonians 5:21 " Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine."
 
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Nomex said:
Honestly, I have no idea. Does it mean you don't want to die? Does it mean you love your children and appreciate the children Jehovah has given you as a gift? This a is a very nuanced and complicated question.
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This was my initial thought exactly and I almost simply replied "I don't really know". But we TRY and we learn as we go and grow. I think Susan will say that seeking God's righteousness first in our lives is a display of our love. She loves that idea and goal.
 
BrooksB said:
This was my initial thought exactly and I almost simply replied "I don't really know". But we TRY and we learn as we go and grow. I think Susan will say that seeking God's righteousness first in our lives is a display of our love. She loves that idea and goal.
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This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments. (1 John 5:3)
 
Edith said:
for give me, a remnant of the WT...
But I do have another honest question, not specific for you but in general: "What does it really mean to love Jehovah? How do we show it in all aspects of our lives?"
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It seems to be a question of “know thyself” if you wish to “know”Jehovah. We are imbued with His attributes and will be and are currently, judged by our understanding of them. If one is the creator of all things, and includes giving His “life” to other beings so that they can enjoy what He has, it rather stands to reason that we have already been given an understanding of what He is. We see this manifest in many ways simply by observing a mother with her offspring - and it is extended also to the animals. Occasionally, there is greater evidence to be had in just how deep this sharing of the joy of life is within all creatures, in the communication we have with animals and they with us. I saw a video the other day about a whale seeking help from humans to untangle it from fish nets.

More than that, we see the creation of a world filled with governance of “natural” law that sustains nature and nature, is a law unto itself - its end product being the sustaining of life upon the earth. Did Adam require a Bible?

I feel that we sadly underestimate the “kingdom” we already have before us. The preoccupation of the people with living is of a tragic and magnificent ignorance of what is placed before us as a message from our creator. They say it came about by evolution. They do not know what life is and claim that the principle identification of life is respiration! That’s a bit tough on spirit life then. Life is clearly more that.

Likewise, love is an emotive product, based upon experiences that inform the spirit and which are in themselves, a conglomerate of accumulated experiences that form the end-product we term as love. Lust, for instance, is not love - but try explaining that to a teenager. Neither is infatuation either love or lust. Neither are the ‘rewards’ or outcomes of a relationship, love.

Thus to love Jehovah, as He should be loved, wishes to be loved, is to understand the embodiment of the essence of love. It has to become a reality, something that is tangible within the soul - not a product that informs the body, but a way of life that informs the soul. Literally, an “omniscient understanding”. Thus the scripture.”…..if you have not love, you have nothing.” Life is impotent without love, then. (Which is true if you stop to think about it!) Thus, as love is an ethereal state of disposition within our temporal being, I.e., our substance, as it is with Jehovah, then it is the primary directive in all our dealings with others. It is the measure of our spirit, as it is with Jehovah. What Jehovah is asking us in that scripture, to “Acquire wisdom, but with all that you acquire, acquire understanding”, is to apply love in every aspect of our lives. It appears then to indicate that love is the primary impeller of our being. It might be best to view love more as a law, than an emotion. Personally, I do not view love as mere emotion but as a gift to give away and to receive. It is part of our judgement in and with others. If we choose to give a gift, we always seek to find a meaning to pass to the recipient. Thus our “gifts” (aspect of giving love) are in all our dealings with others - no matter what the occasion. It’s far more logical that a sense of emotion . Note that the bible describes different aspects of love and the appropriate manner in which they are rendered.
 
Wasn't there another dude a while back claiming this 2030 nonsense? Brother Walnut, Brother Hotdog, Chestnut, or something? I forget. It wasn't brother potato. He's cool. The only difference is I think that dude believed in 1914, or at least he claimed to believe in 1914. But I distinctly remember him posting here. He kept publishing all these convoluted timelines. What was that dude's name? It was so forgettable. Brother Pastrami?

Up until now he was the only JW I ever saw preaching he could calculate the year of Christ's return. It was 2030 for him too. Ironically, this is a UN goal as well. It goes along with their 2030 Agenda. Personally, I'd be surprised if we make it that far with the way things are going. But let's say we do make it that far and nothing happens. Anybody taking that timeline to heart might be stumbled. Do you really want to be responsible for stumbling people?

It's falling into the same trap the Watchtower made. And guess what? If we make it to 2040 without Christ returning, I predict some other clown will be convinced it's 2050. Oh I did the math right this time, everyone. I carried the one and everything. It's iron clad. March 14th 2050 at 3:03PM and eleven seconds. The bible says we can't know the day or the hour. It didn't say anything about minute! I kid, I kid, YAMW. Drop by for tea anytime. We'll play a nice game of Chronology.

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Jahrule said:
Wasn't there another dude a while back claiming this 2030 nonsense? Brother Walnut, Brother Hotdog, Chestnut, or something? I forget. It wasn't brother potato. He's cool. The only difference is I think that dude believed in 1914, or at least he claimed to believe in 1914. But I distinctly remember him posting here. He kept publishing all these convoluted timelines. What was that dude's name? It was so forgettable. Brother Pastrami?

Up until now he was the only JW I ever saw preaching he could calculate the year of Christ's return. It was 2030 for him too. Ironically, this is a UN goal as well. It goes along with their 2030 Agenda. Personally, I'd be surprised if we make it that far with the way things are going. But let's say we do make it that far and nothing happens. Anybody taking that timeline to heart might be stumbled. Do you really want to be responsible for stumbling people?

It's falling into the same trap the Watchtower made. And guess what? If we make it to 2040 without Christ returning, I predict some other clown will be convinced it's 2050. Oh I did the math right this time, everyone. I carried the one and everything. It's iron clad. March 14th 2050 at 3:03PM and eleven seconds. The bible says we can't know the day or the hour. It didn't say anything about minute! I kid, I kid, YAMW. Drop by for tea anytime. We'll play a nice game of Chronology.

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"But let's say we do make it that far and nothing happens. Anybody taking that timeline to heart might be stumbled. Do you really want to be responsible for stumbling people?"

No. I wouldn't want to be responsible, Jahrule.

But if it surely came down to that, then guess what? Unlike the Watchtower. I would immediately issue an apology, sincerely and genuinely, to each of the individuals that I would've caused to stumbled. (Whether they would accept it or not.)

Then, I would repent and ask Jehovah God for his forgiveness and his mercy. And of course after that, with my chin held high and tears running down my cheekbone, I would accept whatever punishment Jehovah and Christ would send my way. Even if that punishment is to be an eternal one.

With that being said. I stand ten toes on everything that I've stated to each and every one of you here. And there's a good reason for that.

We'll see if what I've been explaining is "right or wrong" in the year of 2027. -Daniel 9:27

And @Watchman would come to know that he certainly isn't the only Watchman who has been appointed by Jehovah. (I know of another one.)

And he too would come to further understand that the prophecy of Hosea 5:15-6:2 reveals even more than what he thinks. That, it does indeed reveal the exact year of the return of Christ.
 
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The two dates of significance in history is the Memorial of Jesus Christ. It's why people are making such a fuss about 2033, 2000 years after Jesus sacrifice. Another significant date is 2070, which would be the 2000 year anniversary of when the destruction of Jerusalem's temple happened. I'd be in my 80's by then. I'd like to see these kind of events unfold if I live that long.
 
YAMW said:
"But let's say we do make it that far and nothing happens. Anybody taking that timeline to heart might be stumbled. Do you really want to be responsible for stumbling people?"

No. I wouldn't want to be responsible, Jahrule.

But if it surely came down to that, then guess what? Unlike the Watchtower. I would immediately issue an apology, sincerely and genuinely, to each of the individuals that I would've caused to stumbled. (Whether they would accept it or not.)

Then, I would repent and ask Jehovah God for his forgiveness and his mercy. And of course after that, with my chin held high and tears running down my cheekbone, I would accept whatever punishment Jehovah and Christ would send my way. Even if that punishment is to be an eternal one.

With that being said. I stand ten toes on everything that I've stated to each and every one of you here. And there's a good reason for that.

We'll see if what I've been explaining is "right or wrong" in the year of 2027. -Daniel 9:27
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If we're just wildly speculating, I'm going to say community service. 7000 hours of community service. I doubt it'll be eternal destruction. Jeez. Don't be so melodramatic, Sanchez.

 
Soul Sage said:
The two dates of significance in history is the Memorial of Jesus Christ. It's why people are making such a fuss about 2033, 2000 years after Jesus sacrifice. Another significant date is 2070, which would be the 2000 year anniversary of when the destruction of Jerusalem's temple happened. I'd be in my 80's by then. I'd like to see these kind of events unfold if I live that long.
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I'm definitely not making it to 2070, and I'm grateful for that. If this world carries on that long I can't imagine, nor do I care to imagine, what that world will look like. May Jah be with whoever is around if this world lasts that long.
 
YAMW said:
"But let's say we do make it that far and nothing happens. Anybody taking that timeline to heart might be stumbled. Do you really want to be responsible for stumbling people?"

No. I wouldn't want to be responsible, Jahrule.

But if it surely came down to that, then guess what? Unlike the Watchtower. I would immediately issue an apology, sincerely and genuinely, to each of the individuals that I would've caused to stumbled. (Whether they would accept it or not.)

Then, I would repent and ask Jehovah God for his forgiveness and his mercy. And of course after that, with my chin held high and tears running down my cheekbone, I would accept whatever punishment Jehovah and Christ would send my way. Even if that punishment is to be an eternal one.

With that being said. I stand ten toes on everything that I've stated to each and every one of you here. And there's a good reason for that.

We'll see if what I've been explaining is "right or wrong" in the year of 2027. -Daniel 9:27

And @Watchman would come to know that he certainly isn't the only Watchman who has been appointed by Jehovah. (I know of another one.)

And he too would come to further understand that the prophecy of Hosea 5:15-6:2 reveals even more than what he thinks. That, it does indeed reveal the exact year of the return of Christ.
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I hope everyone on the forum who has been reading this back and forth realizes that this post exposes YAMW, who I’m pretty sure has been on the forum with some other screen name. @Watchman never even commented on this thread and yet YAMW has to attempt to knock him down a peg for no seeming reason. That is his motive. So, I guess Nomex was mostly right.
 
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