Why Did Jehovah Isolate Some of His Servants?

I feel like I'm sticking my nose where it don't belong (in your all's conversation) but...
Why spend time wondering where this time of preparation might lead? It may lead somewhere it may not. If it is leading somewhere, Jehovah will make it plain to you in his time, right? We have to prepare for whatever, so be at whatever Jehovah is leading you to do right now and leave tomorrow's worries to tomorrow.
Just my opinion🕊️

I think that’s a very balanced way of putting it, and I agree with you. Trusting that Jehovah will make things clear in His time is essential. Otherwise, we can easily become anxious trying to figure everything out in advance.

At the same time, one thought I’ve been reflecting on is that, in the Bible, trusting Jehovah’s timing didn’t usually mean remaining inactive while waiting.

For example, Jesus said in Matthew 6:34 not to be anxious about tomorrow, as you mentioned. But at the same time, his followers were encouraged to remain active, encouraging one another and not withdrawing (Hebrews 10:24–25) and making disciples (Matthew 28:19,20)

So I’ve been trying to balance both ideas:
Not worrying about the future, but also
Not becoming passive in the present. In other words, trusting Jehovah’s direction, while still asking: What can I be doing now that reflects that trust?

I think both aspects go together.
 
, trusting Jehovah’s timing didn’t usually mean remaining inactive while waiting
I'm far from inactive. I get a lot of encouragement from this forum, even if it's only "virtual" and I do try to give some encouragement back.. I probably joke around a bit too much but that's how I've been since a kid, it's how I get through this tough life. I can't associate much with the brothers and sisters in my congregation because they're all in a trance and would "dob" me in to the elders for not respecting the GB, in a heartbeat. I'd be bringing so much unnecessary grief into my life and I truly don't believe Jehovah wants that for me, there's enough grief coming down the road. Give up trying to encourage people to go back to in person meetings BL, we have to be responsible for our own choices in life, then we can only blame ourselves, instead of blaming YOU 😂😂😂
 
I think that’s a very balanced way of putting it, and I agree with you. Trusting that Jehovah will make things clear in His time is essential. Otherwise, we can easily become anxious trying to figure everything out in advance.

At the same time, one thought I’ve been reflecting on is that, in the Bible, trusting Jehovah’s timing didn’t usually mean remaining inactive while waiting.

For example, Jesus said in Matthew 6:34 not to be anxious about tomorrow, as you mentioned. But at the same time, his followers were encouraged to remain active, encouraging one another and not withdrawing (Hebrews 10:24–25) and making disciples (Matthew 28:19,20)

So I’ve been trying to balance both ideas:
Not worrying about the future, but also
Not becoming passive in the present. In other words, trusting Jehovah’s direction, while still asking: What can I be doing now that reflects that trust?

I think both aspects go together.
The command to “make disciples” in Matthew 28:19-20 is about making disciples of Christ, not of the WT, even though in “WT land” it’s equated with getting baptized into the organization. Bible Lover, Why are you assuming we're all inactive here? Many of us on this forum talk about God and his son on a daily basis. There's no Bible scripture that tells us this can only be done through an organized religion.

When people cite Hebrews 10:25 about “not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together,” we should remember what Jesus said in Matthew 18:20: “Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am in their midst.” We are gathered here, discussing scriptures, so we are not forsaking the gathering. The WT has twisted passages like these to convince people they must be associated with the organization and preach the WT’s message, rather than the actual gospel of the Lord — that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and was raised, as 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 defines it.

The good news of the Kingdom that would be “preached in all the inhabited earth,” Matthew 24:14, didn’t start with Jehovah’s Witnesses. It began with the apostles in the first century, Acts 2:38-42, and it centers on Christ Jesus, not on WT doctrines.

So going back to the Hall would mean returning to preach false teachings, 2 Peter 2:1, submit to GB rules that go “beyond what is written,” 1 Corinthians 4:6, and associate with Witnesses who “obey men rather than God,” Acts 5:29.

Biblelover, how could any of us here, knowing what we now know, go back to that in good conscience? We’d be living a lie, preaching a lie, and failing to serve God “in spirit and truth,” John 4:24. It just doesn’t make sense — not at all.

Jehovah pulled us out for a reason and showed us what we now know for a reason. I’m going to trust that direction and obey the command to “get out of her, my people,” Revelation 18:4, and “quit touching the unclean thing,” 2 Corinthians 6:17.
 
The command to “make disciples” in Matthew 28:19-20 is about making disciples of Christ, not of the WT, even though in “WT land” it’s equated with getting baptized into the organization. Bible Lover, Why are you assuming we're all inactive here? Many of us on this forum talk about God and his son on a daily basis. There's no Bible scripture that tells us this can only be done through an organized religion.

When people cite Hebrews 10:25 about “not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together,” we should remember what Jesus said in Matthew 18:20: “Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am in their midst.” We are gathered here, discussing scriptures, so we are not forsaking the gathering. The WT has twisted passages like these to convince people they must be associated with the organization and preach the WT’s message, rather than the actual gospel of the Lord — that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and was raised, as 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 defines it.

The good news of the Kingdom that would be “preached in all the inhabited earth,” Matthew 24:14, didn’t start with Jehovah’s Witnesses. It began with the apostles in the first century, Acts 2:38-42, and it centers on Christ Jesus, not on WT doctrines.

So going back to the Hall would mean returning to preach false teachings, 2 Peter 2:1, submit to GB rules that go “beyond what is written,” 1 Corinthians 4:6, and associate with Witnesses who “obey men rather than God,” Acts 5:29.

Biblelover, how could any of us here, knowing what we now know, go back to that in good conscience? We’d be living a lie, preaching a lie, and failing to serve God “in spirit and truth,” John 4:24. It just doesn’t make sense — not at all.

Jehovah pulled us out for a reason and showed us what we now know for a reason. I’m going to trust that direction and obey the command to “get out of her, my people,” Revelation 18:4, and “quit touching the unclean thing,” 2 Corinthians 6:17.
Me too Goldie, I'd actually feel guilt ridden, so bad, sick to the stomach, if I went back, how would Jehovah feel about that? Those that don't feel guilty or bad at the hall is fine for them 👍
 
What can I be doing now that reflects that trust?

I think both aspects go together.
Do, do, do, do more, then more. Never gonna earn it. Jehovah sees the heart. All the "doing" in the world is wasted if the l love isn't there.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not directing this at you I'm directing it at me.
I'm trying to work on me, this is what I feel I'm being led to do. The fruits that I'm seeking to cultivate are the fruitages of Jehovah's Holy Spirit.
Sitting at the Hall being taught lies and half truths, listening to the same talk week after week with just a slight change of wording, with a group of people that I've never seen the love from and am now seeing idolatry and other disgusting things among, ummm no, I don't see how that gets my heart condition to where it should be. But that's me. Everybody has to do what they believe they're being led to do.
 
Me too Goldie, I'd actually feel guilt ridden, so bad, sick to the stomach, if I went back, how would Jehovah feel about that? Those that don't feel guilty or bad at the hall is fine for them 👍
I would too, Prov. Because we’d be ignoring everything Jehovah has shown us and basically saying, “We’re staying through all the lies and corruption anyway, just to be unified and organized with people who are being misled and following men as their leaders."
Umm… no.
 
, listening to the same talk week after week with just a slight change of wording
Oh my goodness Patricia, that's so true! I thought I was the only one who thought like that, I thought I was just being unappreciative of God's word.. x
 
I would too, Prov. Because we’d be ignoring everything Jehovah has shown us and basically saying, “We’re staying through all the lies and corruption anyway, just to be unified and organized with people who are being misled and following men as their leaders."
Umm… no.
Indeed! Question: because I forget: When the first century Jews started following John the Baptist did they stop following the Pharisees?
 
Indeed! Question: because I forget: When the first century Jews started following John the Baptist did they stop following the Pharisees?

Yes — definitely! they broke from the Pharisees.

1. John rebuked them — Called Pharisees a “brood of vipers” and told them to repent, Matthew 3:7-9.
2. *Pharisees rejected John* — “The Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves. Luke 7:30.
3. *Separate groups* — Matthew 9:14: “we _and_ the Pharisees” — John’s disciples weren’t under them.
4. *It was one or the other* — Jesus said Pharisees didn’t believe John, but⁷ tax collectors and prostitutes did, Matthew 21:32.
 
Yes — definitely! they broke from the Pharisees.

1. John rebuked them — Called Pharisees a “brood of vipers” and told them to repent, Matthew 3:7-9.
2. *Pharisees rejected John* — “The Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves. Luke 7:30.
3. *Separate groups* — Matthew 9:14: “we _and_ the Pharisees” — John’s disciples weren’t under them.
4. *It was one or the other* — Jesus said Pharisees didn’t believe John, but⁷ tax collectors and prostitutes did, Matthew 21:32.
Thankyou Goldie, everyone here is so good at quoting the scriptures 😍 I just remember bits n pieces here and there, and principles etc, having 4 kids left me mentally retarded 😆
 
Indeed! Question: because I forget: When the first century Jews started following John the Baptist did they stop following the Pharisees?

Here's more.

When Jews committed to John the Baptist, it meant breaking from the Pharisees’ authority and system. Here’s why:

*1. John directly called out the Pharisees as false*
John the Baptist publicly rebuked Pharisees and Sadducees, calling them a “brood of vipers” and telling them not to rely on “we have Abraham for our father” — Matthew 3:7-9. He demanded _repentance_ from them, not allegiance to their oral law and traditions.

*2. The Pharisees as a group rejected John’s baptism*
Luke 7:30 says “the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized by him”. Topical Bible also notes: “The Pharisees: As a Body, Rejected John's Baptism”.

So if you accepted John’s baptism, you were doing what the Pharisees _as a body refused to do_. That’s a break.

*3. John’s disciples were distinct from the Pharisees*
Matthew 9:14: “Then the disciples of John came to Jesus, asking, ‘Why do we and the Pharisees often fast, but Your disciples do not’”. Notice: “we _and_ the Pharisees” — they were already two separate groups with different practices. John’s followers weren’t under Pharisaic authority.

*4. Following John meant following _God’s_ messenger, not the sect leaders*
Jesus said in Matthew 21:32: “John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him.” The Pharisees “persevered in their self-sufficiency and unbelief”. So the choice was: believe John and repent, or stick with the Pharisees and reject God’s counsel.


So yes, First-century Jews who followed John stopped following the Pharisees as their spiritual leaders. They left that corrupt religious system to follow what Jehovah was actually doing through John.
 
Here's more.

When Jews committed to John the Baptist, it meant breaking from the Pharisees’ authority and system. Here’s why:

*1. John directly called out the Pharisees as false*
John the Baptist publicly rebuked Pharisees and Sadducees, calling them a “brood of vipers” and telling them not to rely on “we have Abraham for our father” — Matthew 3:7-9. He demanded _repentance_ from them, not allegiance to their oral law and traditions.

*2. The Pharisees as a group rejected John’s baptism*
Luke 7:30 says “the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized by him”. Topical Bible also notes: “The Pharisees: As a Body, Rejected John's Baptism”.

So if you accepted John’s baptism, you were doing what the Pharisees _as a body refused to do_. That’s a break.

*3. John’s disciples were distinct from the Pharisees*
Matthew 9:14: “Then the disciples of John came to Jesus, asking, ‘Why do we and the Pharisees often fast, but Your disciples do not’”. Notice: “we _and_ the Pharisees” — they were already two separate groups with different practices. John’s followers weren’t under Pharisaic authority.

*4. Following John meant following _God’s_ messenger, not the sect leaders*
Jesus said in Matthew 21:32: “John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him.” The Pharisees “persevered in their self-sufficiency and unbelief”. So the choice was: believe John and repent, or stick with the Pharisees and reject God’s counsel.


So yes, First-century Jews who followed John stopped following the Pharisees as their spiritual leaders. They left that corrupt religious system to follow what Jehovah was actually doing through John.
So they moved on to the next stage.. I truly believe this forum is the "next stage" for us in the 2000's, like we're being rounded up/gathered for something.. I truly believe Jehovah is using Robert to help us get ready for what's coming next 😃
 
Its all notes ive collected through the years, lol. My memory is pretty much shot so I need to rely on my notes.
There was no way I could take notes with all them kids 😐 I never, ever finished even ONE "rotten review" 😆
 
So they moved on to the next stage.. I truly believe this forum is the "next stage" for us in the 2000's, like we're being rounded up/gathered for something.. I truly believe Jehovah is using Robert to help us get ready for what's coming next 😃
I feel that too, Prov 😊 This forum and Robert’s research have helped a lot of us see through WT’s lies. I’m really thankful Jehovah can use whatever and whoever He wants to bring truth to light.

I’m just keeping my focus on Christ as our leader, not man.
Matthew 23:10, wherever this leads next..hang tight ! 🙏

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh, thats hilarious. The dreaded written reviews. I forgot about that. 😅😅
I haven't forgotten ANYTHING, it's all seared into my brain and turned it to mush 😂 good job Jehovah helps us to recall things 😆 honestly, stuff just goes round and round in my head and sometimes falls in the right place 😃
 
The command to “make disciples” in Matthew 28:19-20 is about making disciples of Christ, not of the WT, even though in “WT land” it’s equated with getting baptized into the organization. Bible Lover, Why are you assuming we're all inactive here? Many of us on this forum talk about God and his son on a daily basis. There's no Bible scripture that tells us this can only be done through an organized religion.

When people cite Hebrews 10:25 about “not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together,” we should remember what Jesus said in Matthew 18:20: “Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am in their midst.” We are gathered here, discussing scriptures, so we are not forsaking the gathering. The WT has twisted passages like these to convince people they must be associated with the organization and preach the WT’s message, rather than the actual gospel of the Lord — that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and was raised, as 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 defines it.

The good news of the Kingdom that would be “preached in all the inhabited earth,” Matthew 24:14, didn’t start with Jehovah’s Witnesses. It began with the apostles in the first century, Acts 2:38-42, and it centers on Christ Jesus, not on WT doctrines.

So going back to the Hall would mean returning to preach false teachings, 2 Peter 2:1, submit to GB rules that go “beyond what is written,” 1 Corinthians 4:6, and associate with Witnesses who “obey men rather than God,” Acts 5:29.

Biblelover, how could any of us here, knowing what we now know, go back to that in good conscience? We’d be living a lie, preaching a lie, and failing to serve God “in spirit and truth,” John 4:24. It just doesn’t make sense — not at all.

Jehovah pulled us out for a reason and showed us what we now know for a reason. I’m going to trust that direction and obey the command to “get out of her, my people,” Revelation 18:4, and “quit touching the unclean thing,” 2 Corinthians 6:17.

This is a thoughtful point, and I appreciate the way you’re grounding it in Scripture.

I agree that the command in Matthew 28:19–20 is about making disciples of Christ. That has to remain the center, not any human structure.

Also, you made a good point about Jesus’ words in Matthew 18:20 — that even a small group gathered in his name has real value. I completely agree with that. Nevertheless, when I look at the immediate context, Jesus was speaking about situations involving accountability and resolving matters among believers (Matthew 18:15–17). So the emphasis there seems to be on his presence supporting unity and decisions among those gathered, even if they are few.

That doesn’t take away from the encouragement we can get from small gatherings or discussions like this. But it also suggests those gatherings were still connected to a broader network of relationships and responsibility among believers.

When I look at the wider New Testament, I also notice that the early Christians didn’t only gather informally — they functioned in a visible, organized way, with regular association, mutual support, and coordinated activity (for example, Acts 2:42).

So for me, the question hasn’t been “organization or no organization,” but rather how do we keep Christ at the center while still living our faith in a practical, active way among others?

Regarding conscience, I think that’s something each person has to protect carefully. 1 Corinthians 4:4 shows that ultimately we answer to Jehovah. So I understand why, for some, certain things feel difficult or even impossible to reconcile.

At the same time, I’ve also been reflecting on the fact that first-century Christians didn’t have perfect understanding either. There were misunderstandings, tensions, even wrong expectations at times — and yet they didn’t withdraw. They continued meeting, encouraging one another, and growing over time.

So for me personally, the challenge has been finding a way to remain honest in my conscience, keep Christ truly at the center
and still stay connected and active in a way that builds faith, not just analyzes it

I don’t think there’s a simple, one-size-fits-all answer. But I do think it’s something worth reflecting on carefully, without assuming that the only faithful option must be complete separation or complete agreement.

That’s the balance I’ve been trying to work through.
 
Yes — definitely! they broke from the Pharisees.

1. John rebuked them — Called Pharisees a “brood of vipers” and told them to repent, Matthew 3:7-9.
2. *Pharisees rejected John* — “The Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves. Luke 7:30.
3. *Separate groups* — Matthew 9:14: “we _and_ the Pharisees” — John’s disciples weren’t under them.
4. *It was one or the other* — Jesus said Pharisees didn’t believe John, but⁷ tax collectors and prostitutes did, Matthew 21:32.

That’s a good summary of how people reacted to John, and I agree — there was clearly a division between those who accepted his message and those who rejected it.

At the same time, what I find interesting is why that division happened.

John’s role was very specific. He wasn’t forming a separate long-term group — he was preparing people for something that was about to come.

In fact, he consistently pointed away from himself and toward Christ (John 1:29–30).

So the separation wasn’t really the objective — it was more a byproduct of responding to truth at that moment.

Also, regarding Matthew 9:14, that passage seems to be more about fasting practices than about separation itself. The question there was why Jesus’ disciples didn’t fast like John’s disciples and the Pharisees. So it highlights differences in practice, but not necessarily the formation of completely separate groups as an objective.

And when you look at what John actually told people to do, it wasn’t “withdraw from everything,” but rather to change how they lived — to act justly, be honest, and show repentance in practical ways (Luke 3:10–14).

Then, once Jesus’ ministry began, the direction became clearer. People weren’t just leaving something — they were being gathered into something new centered on him.

So for me, the question becomes:

Is the main focus simply separating from what is wrong? Or also moving toward something that builds, unites, and expresses faith in action?

Because in that account, separation was not the final step — it was part of a process that led people into something more.
 
This is a thoughtful point, and I appreciate the way you’re grounding it in Scripture.

I agree that the command in Matthew 28:19–20 is about making disciples of Christ. That has to remain the center, not any human structure.

Also, you made a good point about Jesus’ words in Matthew 18:20 — that even a small group gathered in his name has real value. I completely agree with that. Nevertheless, when I look at the immediate context, Jesus was speaking about situations involving accountability and resolving matters among believers (Matthew 18:15–17). So the emphasis there seems to be on his presence supporting unity and decisions among those gathered, even if they are few.

That doesn’t take away from the encouragement we can get from small gatherings or discussions like this. But it also suggests those gatherings were still connected to a broader network of relationships and responsibility among believers.

When I look at the wider New Testament, I also notice that the early Christians didn’t only gather informally — they functioned in a visible, organized way, with regular association, mutual support, and coordinated activity (for example, Acts 2:42).

So for me, the question hasn’t been “organization or no organization,” but rather how do we keep Christ at the center while still living our faith in a practical, active way among others?

Regarding conscience, I think that’s something each person has to protect carefully. 1 Corinthians 4:4 shows that ultimately we answer to Jehovah. So I understand why, for some, certain things feel difficult or even impossible to reconcile.

At the same time, I’ve also been reflecting on the fact that first-century Christians didn’t have perfect understanding either. There were misunderstandings, tensions, even wrong expectations at times — and yet they didn’t withdraw. They continued meeting, encouraging one another, and growing over time.

So for me personally, the challenge has been finding a way to remain honest in my conscience, keep Christ truly at the center
and still stay connected and active in a way that builds faith, not just analyzes it

I don’t think there’s a simple, one-size-fits-all answer. But I do think it’s something worth reflecting on carefully, without assuming that the only faithful option must be complete separation or complete agreement.

That’s the balance I’ve been trying to work through.
You’re right about Acts 2:42. The 1st century Christians were organized — but around Christ and the apostles’ teaching, not around men who demanded loyalty over truth. Acts 5:29.

I also agree conscience is individual, 1 Cor 4:4. The 1st century had problems, yes. But they didn’t have an organization teaching false prophecies for 100+ years, hiding abuse, and shunning family. When Peter was wrong, Paul corrected him publicly, Gal 2:11. There was accountability.

So for me, I’m trying to do exactly what you said: keep Christ at the center, stay active, build faith. 1st century Christians met in homes, Acts 2:46, encouraged each other, Heb 10:24-25, and they withdrew from those teaching error, 2 John 10-11, Rom 16:17.

I don’t think it’s “organization vs no organization.” It’s “truth vs error.” If the hall was teaching only Christ and practicing Acts 2:42, I’d be there. But as long as it demands loyalty to men over Christ, my conscience says I have to obey God as ruler, Acts 5:29.

I’m not analyzing to tear down. I’m trying to follow Christ. And I think that’s the balance we’re both after.
 
This is a thoughtful point, and I appreciate the way you’re grounding it in Scripture.

I agree that the command in Matthew 28:19–20 is about making disciples of Christ. That has to remain the center, not any human structure.

Also, you made a good point about Jesus’ words in Matthew 18:20 — that even a small group gathered in his name has real value. I completely agree with that. Nevertheless, when I look at the immediate context, Jesus was speaking about situations involving accountability and resolving matters among believers (Matthew 18:15–17). So the emphasis there seems to be on his presence supporting unity and decisions among those gathered, even if they are few.

That doesn’t take away from the encouragement we can get from small gatherings or discussions like this. But it also suggests those gatherings were still connected to a broader network of relationships and responsibility among believers.

When I look at the wider New Testament, I also notice that the early Christians didn’t only gather informally — they functioned in a visible, organized way, with regular association, mutual support, and coordinated activity (for example, Acts 2:42).

So for me, the question hasn’t been “organization or no organization,” but rather how do we keep Christ at the center while still living our faith in a practical, active way among others?

Regarding conscience, I think that’s something each person has to protect carefully. 1 Corinthians 4:4 shows that ultimately we answer to Jehovah. So I understand why, for some, certain things feel difficult or even impossible to reconcile.

At the same time, I’ve also been reflecting on the fact that first-century Christians didn’t have perfect understanding either. There were misunderstandings, tensions, even wrong expectations at times — and yet they didn’t withdraw. They continued meeting, encouraging one another, and growing over time.

So for me personally, the challenge has been finding a way to remain honest in my conscience, keep Christ truly at the center
and still stay connected and active in a way that builds faith, not just analyzes it

I don’t think there’s a simple, one-size-fits-all answer. But I do think it’s something worth reflecting on carefully, without assuming that the only faithful option must be complete separation or complete agreement.

That’s the balance I’ve been trying to work through.
I know it’s not an easy decision, Bible lover. Trust me, it was one of, if not the hardest, decisions of my life to leave the org. But sometimes you have to leave what’s wrong to do what’s right. 💁‍♀️
 
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Something I’ve been thinking about lately is not only what feels right to us, but also how Jehovah seems to act according to His own timing.. When we look at the Scriptures, there appears to be a pattern:

Separation and judgment are not random — they happen at a specific time appointed by God.

For example, in Jesus’ illustration of the wheat and the weeds, the separation doesn’t happen throughout the whole period, but at “the conclusion of the system of things” (Matthew 13:39–30). Until then, both grow together.

Also, after Jesus came, something new was clearly established — the Christian congregation. People were not only leaving something, they were being gathered into something.

That makes me reflect on our situation today:

If someone leaves… where are they being gathered to right now?

In the first century, there was a clear place to go. Today, that part is not always so clear.

In some ways, it reminds me of the disciples of John the Baptist. Before Jesus’ ministry was fully established, they were in a kind of transitional period. There’s no indication that they all formally separated from the Jewish system immediately — but they were being prepared for what was coming next.

Another thought that stands out is how Revelation describes Jesus’ judgment of the congregations (Revelation chapters 2–3). What he highlights is not that individuals left, but whether they endured, remained faithful, and held fast despite problems around them.

That connects with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:13 — “the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Endurance
seems to be a key element.

Also, Jesus mentioned that his followers would be expelled from the synagogues (John 16:2). That made me think — expulsion implies being inside before being forced out.

And when he spoke about leaving in Matthew 24:15–16, it was connected to a specific event — something identifiable, when the disgusting thing stands in the holy place, when the 8th King stands in the christian congregation, not something undefined or ongoing.

So putting all of that together, I’ve been reflecting on this balance:

There may indeed be a time to leave. But Scripture seems to show that timing matters, and it is clearly defined by God

In the meantime, many of the qualities emphasized for true Christians — endurance, patience, love, humility are often developed in the context of dealing with imperfection, not avoiding it entirely.

That’s not an easy path, but it does seem to be a consistent theme.

Just something I’ve been thinking through.
 
endurance, patience, love, humility are often developed in the context of dealing with imperfection, not avoiding it entirely
There's plenty of imperfection in this forum and in the world to give me plenty of practice 😉
I really think you're wasting your time BL, keep saying the same stuff over and over. You really aren't going to make one iota of difference to anyone's choices on this forum, either members or visitors, because choosing to leave the org slightly, entirely or not at all, is absolutely personal and people's actions are controlled entirely by their personal circumstances and their individual consciences. It's actually quite intrusive and rude to keep going on about this topic, trying to be the master over others faith, interfering with their personal relationship with Jehovah. I sure wouldn't try to influence YOUR choice to stay or go, because it really isn't any of my business..
PS you do realise that the person who created this forum, and many people who comment on this forum are deemed to be "apostates" don't you? According to the GB we oughtn't even be looking at the information on this site, unless you're disfellowshipped too and so you're fine to be here 😅
 
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There's plenty of imperfection in this forum and in the world to give me plenty of practice 😉
I really think you're wasting your time BL, keep saying the same stuff over and over. You really aren't going to make one iota of difference to anyone's choices on this forum, either members or visitors, because choosing to leave the org slightly, entirely or not at all, is absolutely personal and people's actions are controlled entirely by their personal circumstances and their individual consciences. It's actually quite intrusive and rude to keep going on about this topic, trying to be the master over others faith, interfering with their personal relationship with Jehovah. I sure wouldn't try to influence YOUR choice to stay or go, because it really isn't any of my business..
PS you do realise that the person who created this forum, and many people who comment on this forum are deemed to be "apostates" don't you? According to the GB we oughtn't even be looking at the information on this site, unless you're disfellowshipped too and so you're fine to be here 😅
In regards to the founder of the forum he states that where possible to "stay with the program" ie...continue to support in person meetings and the Bible Study program for new students provided by Bethel. I have been a consumer of Robert's essays since 2005 and he has never preached people out of the Org since in his own words " I wouldn't want to deprive people of the opportunity that was given to me".

I think that leaves the door open for Biblelover to post his experiences and reasons for attending the meetings and why he thinks that is his best path.

To the best of my knowledge this forum is called "E Jehovah's Witnesses " because Robert supports both those who stay and leave. I am the same myself and I know it may sound duplicitous but even if I never return to meetings I support BL's right to put forth his view on the benefits of in person meetings. There is a tendency for groups including JWs and this forum to form echo chambers and I think we need to be careful of being too censorial of those whose views don't align with our own.

My position is that the Forum supports both those who leave and those who stay in the Org. If BL wants to post about his scriptural reasons for returning I have no problem with it. I don't take it personally and I think some of his reasoning is quite theologically sound and not in contravention of Robert's biblical views.
 
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