"Would Jehovah allows us to take a vaccine that wasn't safe?"

[Nomex]

You should be British. We are good at queueing in line here.

My Grand Mother was born in Norway, so I'm almost European! LOL.

 

[BagdadBill]

My Grand Mother was born in Norway, so I'm almost European! LOL.

My great grandparents landed in Canada and walked across the border into USA. So far as I know they never applied for citizenship so, I'm almost an anchor baby.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

You should be British. We are good at queueing in line here.

No one can queue like the British. We are masters of the art. One of the first things I learnt at kindergarten was to line up! The Queen was top notch at queuing, a real example for us all - did you see the queue for her lying in state?! 10 miles long and 24 hours to wait. Really…..how many people can form a queue that even requires toilets for those who aim to endure it; have ambulances on tap, police patrols and first aid posts? By comparison, Winston Churchill only had a mile of queuing for his state funeral but a third of a million people and Elizabeth only a quarter of a million, but all at once it seems judging by the length of the queue. Is just shows that in 1964, we went for quality not quantity, but a queue is a queue I suppose. Hopefully there will be queues to get into the temple in the new kingdom. Something for us to look forward to then! You can teach Nomex how to queue.

 

[MickHewitt]

No one can queue like the British. We are masters of the art. One of the first things I learnt at kindergarten was to line up! The Queen was top notch at queuing, a real example for us all - did you see the queue for her lying in state?! 10 miles long and 24 hours to wait. Really…..how many people can form a queue that even requires toilets for those who aim to endure it; have ambulances on tap, police patrols and first aid posts? By comparison, Winston Churchill only had a mile of queuing for his state funeral but a third of a million people and Elizabeth only a quarter of a million, but all at once it seems judging by the length of the queue. Is just shows that in 1964, we went for quality not quantity, but a queue is a queue I suppose. Hopefully there will be queues to get into the temple in the new kingdom. Something for us to look forward to then! You can teach Nomex how to queue.

The Germans would always pinch the towels and recliners while we still waited in line.....As much as I hated Churchill I appreciated his bullishness in taking the towels in Normandy.

 

[Nomex]

 

[SusanB]

That pressure was because of Trump and Satan no doubt found it hilarious that these arrogant, pushy humans actually advanced his Satanic agenda.

 

[Antoon]

Ik ben het eens met Soul Sage en Spreuken 14:15, en ze hoeven niet veel te doen om het recht te zetten: verstandige excuses aanbieden, de banden met de VN verbreken (indien aanwezig) en, nog beter, aftreden.
Ik denk niet dat we hierna kunnen wachten.
Op dit forum wordt op een hoger niveau geschreven dan ik standaard ben in de kerk en in de tijdschriften van de Jehovah's Getuigen.
Dit kan een natuurlijk ontstaan zijn omdat we een zeer traumatische ervaring hebben gehad en nog steeds hebben, waardoor mensen tot een niveau worden getild dat ze voorheen niet voor mogelijk hadden gehouden.

 

[Antoon]

Spring hier even in.
Since I was no longer present on this forum, a few things have happened. Every day I walk with a walker to the suermarkt where a JW. cart stood with brothers and sisters. The attitude towards me is/was variable, some raise their thumb in appreciation and also show it, probably as a result of the fact that I have sent letters to the municipality to warning about the Crona vaccine. No I'm not going to go into in-depth discussion there, I feel like I could mess up the goodwill I get, after all, it's still a super hot topic and people are and will always be fickle. Others continue to look at me with a bit of distrust, I can understand and don't judge. I did talk to an elder and pointed out to him that he now had a problem with his health, after taking all the boosters, (something he just admitted very honestly), and he also agreed with me. Furthermore, I still send emails to another elder, once he emailed back with the reason that he did not want to enter into a discussion and gave me a plausible explanation, from his point of view. So I still send emails - with appropriate intervals - but I don't get an answer, I understand and can live with it.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

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[SusanB]

Spring hier even in.
Since I was no longer present on this forum, a few things have happened. Every day I walk with a walker to the suermarkt where a JW. cart stood with brothers and sisters. The attitude towards me is/was variable, some raise their thumb in appreciation and also show it, probably as a result of the fact that I have sent letters to the municipality to warning about the Crona vaccine. No I'm not going to go into in-depth discussion there, I feel like I could mess up the goodwill I get, after all, it's still a super hot topic and people are and will always be fickle. Others continue to look at me with a bit of distrust, I can understand and don't judge. I did talk to an elder and pointed out to him that he now had a problem with his health, after taking all the boosters, (something he just admitted very honestly), and he also agreed with me. Furthermore, I still send emails to another elder, once he emailed back with the reason that he did not want to enter into a discussion and gave me a plausible explanation, from his point of view. So I still send emails - with appropriate intervals - but I don't get an answer, I understand and can live with it.

I just watched the 4 days of the Allison Inquiry in Canada. It’s heartbreaking how many people are injured by the vaccine and denied assistance. You aren’t alone in seeing the bad effects on people from the vaccine. I think there is more than 30 countries that have opened inquiries to expose what happened with regard to the COVID vaccine. It was democide. Very often the reason that people in charge of their country’s health policy pushed the vaccine was because of political considerations and greed, not health. Many countries are experiencing a 20% increase in all-cause mortality and it has not come down. One woman detective in Canada got demoted after she began investigated the increase in fetal demise, which was off the charts. They knew it was killing and injuring people and apparently they felt it was an acceptable trade-off. One man who lost is only son, who I think was 16 or 17 years old, was told that the Canadian Health System, that coerced his son to get vaccinated without the parent’s permission, had “no duty of care”. So, in other words, they can mandate the vaccine and ruin your life if you don’t take it but if you do take it and get injured or die, the people pushing the vaccine have no responsibility for it.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I just watched the 4 days of the Allison Inquiry in Canada. It’s heartbreaking how many people are injured by the vaccine and denied assistance. You aren’t alone in seeing the bad effects on people from the vaccine. I think there is more than 30 countries that have opened inquiries to expose what happened with regard to the COVID vaccine. It was democide. Very often the reason that people in charge of their country’s health policy pushed the vaccine was because of political considerations and greed, not health. Many countries are experiencing a 20% increase in all-cause mortality and it has not come down. One woman detective in Canada got demoted after she began investigated the increase in fetal demise, which was off the charts. They knew it was killing and injuring people and apparently they felt it was an acceptable trade-off. One man who lost is only son, who I think was 16 or 17 years old, was told that the Canadian Health System, that coerced his son to get vaccinated without the parent’s permission, had “no duty of care”. So, in other words, they can mandate the vaccine and ruin your life if you don’t take it but if you do take it and get injured or die, the people pushing the vaccine have no responsibility for it.

They are so wicked Susan, and Jehovah must get so hurt over it all, how he keeps his patience I have no idea, if I was in charge I'm not sure I could patiently wait this long before getting the innocent one's revenge..

 

[BagdadBill]

I agree with Soul Sage and Proverbs 14:15, and they do not need to do much to set things right: offer sensible apologies, sever ties with the UN (if applicable), and, even better, resign. I do not think we can wait for this. The writing on this forum is of a higher standard than I typically experience in the church and in Jehovah's Witnesses magazines. This can be a natural occurrence because we have had and still have a very traumatic experience, causing people to be lifted to a level they previously thought impossible.

Good point. You see what we all know as Christians. Repent, apologize and make amends. Even Alcoholics Anonymous adheres to this principle because without it you remain wretched inside. A universal truth. Robert King, in the recent update to his book "Jehovah Has Become King" points out that according to God's word, even the Governing Body can be forgiven if they would confess and repent. As we know as Jehovah's Witnesses, the level of audience who needs to hear the confession and repentance depends on how widespread the sin was exposed.
Although the majority of our brothers and sisters don't know or ignore the news (stick their fingers in their ears and yell "Lalalala I can't hear you") about the UN partnership, it was made public by a news reporter so hence, their repentance likewise must be public and congregational.
How often are we admonished by our God to please repent while we still can? It is a humbling act to confess and it can make one want to say to the rocks and mountain "Hide me from the one seated on the throne".
Do they think Jehovah is fooled or cannot see them? If I use their actions as a guide to judge whether God is real or not, I would incline to assume that there is no Jehovah nor Jesus. Lest anyone point the finger, this isn't about passing judgement. This is about saving lives as Jehovah doesn't want to see anyone die.
He has forgiven the most heinous of sins in the past.

Since I was no longer present on this forum, a few things have happened. Every day I walk with a walker to the suermarkt where a JW. cart stood with brothers and sisters. The attitude towards me is/was variable, some raise their thumb in appreciation and also show it, probably as a result of the fact that I have sent letters to the municipality to warning about the Crona vaccine. No I'm not going to go into in-depth discussion there, I feel like I could mess up the goodwill I get, after all, it's still a super hot topic and people are and will always be fickle. Others continue to look at me with a bit of distrust, I can understand and don't judge. I did talk to an elder and pointed out to him that he now had a problem with his health, after taking all the boosters, (something he just admitted very honestly), and he also agreed with me. Furthermore, I still send emails to another elder, once he emailed back with the reason that he did not want to enter into a discussion and gave me a plausible explanation, from his point of view. So I still send emails - with appropriate intervals - but I don't get an answer, I understand and can live with it.

I've made known the death and damage the covid injection has done to my family. One death and my ex-wife and longtime sister in faith continues to get worse. Every time I call, she has progressively gotten worse, to the point that she can no longer drive because of blackouts. She is only 66 years old.
In America there is a prevalent attitude which we pretend is only common to criminals. You never snitch. Not on a friend nor enemy. You snitch, you can't be trusted.
It isn't just criminals who hold this view. I experienced it in the Steelworker's Union years ago. We tolerated drug users who were putting us at risk in the mine because "you never snitch on a Union brother".
Isn't this also the attitude our brothers have toward those of us who wish to discuss and warn people away from dangerous experimental injections?
Bizarre that some people would rather get in line to take a potentially deadly "vaccine" and risk death instead of standing apart and calling out the evil.
If you haven't read the update of Robert King's book I highly recommend it. A whole chapter on the Covid response as well as one for the UN debacle.
He broke out the sledge hammers on those chapters. Jehovah is calling the Governing Body to repentance right now.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

They are so wicked Susan, and Jehovah must get so hurt over it all, how he keeps his patience I have no idea, if I was in charge I'm not sure I could patiently wait this long before getting the innocent one's revenge..

What I admire about waiting for Jehovah is His devotion to timely intervention. Everything is precision, an exactitude of delivery and outcome in anything and everything, even down to atomic decay that you can set your watch to. Everything is so explicitly balanced that were it a fraction out, nothing would exist at all. The fastest animal response is under 3 milliseconds. Somehow, I don’t think Jehovah will be late. It’s strange to think that time is irrelevant to His intervention.

 

[Ana]

Primavera aquí incluso en.
Desde que dejé de participar en este foro, han pasado algunas cosas. Todos los días camino con un andador hasta el supermercado donde un carrito de los Testigos de Jehová estaba con hermanos y hermanas. La actitud hacia mí es/era variable; algunos levantan el pulgar en señal de aprecio y también lo demuestran, probablemente como resultado de que he enviado cartas al municipio advirtiendo sobre la vacuna contra el coronavirus. No voy a entrar en detalles sobre eso, siento que podría arruinar la buena voluntad que recibo, después de todo, sigue siendo un tema muy delicado y la gente es y siempre será voluble. Otros siguen mirándome con cierta desconfianza, lo entiendo y no juzgo. Hablé con un anciano y le señalé que ahora tenía un problema de salud después de tomar todas las dosis de refuerzo (algo que admitió con mucha honestidad), y él también estuvo de acuerdo conmigo. Además, sigo enviando correos electrónicos a otro anciano, quien me respondió una vez explicando que no quería entrar en una discusión y me dio una explicación plausible desde su punto de vista. Así que sigo enviando correos electrónicos, con la frecuencia adecuada, pero no obtengo respuesta; lo entiendo y puedo aceptarlo.

Animo Antoon! Volveremos a correr cual gacelas! Que gusto será poder saber que uno llegará a su destino sin más ayuda que sus piernas! Cuantas cosas nos va a devolver nuestro Padre! Te mando un gran abrazo.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

What I admire about waiting for Jehovah is His devotion to timely intervention. Everything is precision, an exactitude of delivery and outcome in anything and everything, even down to atomic decay that you can set your watch to. Everything is so explicitly balanced that were it a fraction out, nothing would exist at all. The fastest animal response is under 3 milliseconds. Somehow, I don’t think Jehovah will be late. It’s strange to think that time is irrelevant to His intervention.

Food for thought Barney, thankyou

 

[Goldie]

After the broadcasts came out, I had already decided I wasn't going to take the jab. My sister was undecided because she felt maybe there was a reason the GB was trying to persuade us to take it. After we talked, I think I scared her into not taking it, so the two of us were the only ones in our family who didn't. My brother went straight to my sister's job and told her not to listen to me — that the Governing Body was advising us to take it and we should obey them. Well, two weeks ago my brother had a stroke, and his son, my nephew, who also took it, now has a heart problem. David Splane's question keeps popping up in my head: "Would Jehovah allow the GB, its helpers, and the entire Bethel family to take a Covid vaccine that would harm us? Friends, it all comes down to this — do you believe Jehovah is guiding this organization?"

Ummm, well, I used to, but I certainly don't now!

 

[BagdadBill]

After the broadcasts came out, I had already decided I wasn't going to take the jab. My sister was undecided because she felt maybe there was a reason the GB was trying to persuade us to take it. After we talked, I think I scared her into not taking it, so the two of us were the only ones in our family who didn't.

Even if they try to plead ignorance and put it off on us, that still doesn't excuse them because they know and understand the power of their influence.
As has been pointed out endlessly, if the GB says it, it's as good as Jehovah speaking himself. This is why the better investigative journalists online will always tell you to check their reference list and do your own research. The GB repeatedly mocked us for doing our own research.
Funny because when new people agree to a bible study we alway shower them with "We think its so smart that you're asking questions and researching (from our publications).
Conspiracy theorists they called us.

 

[Goldie]

Even if they try to plead ignorance and put it off on us, that still doesn't excuse them because they know and understand the power of their influence.
As has been pointed out endlessly, if the GB says it, it's as good as Jehovah speaking himself. This is why the better investigative journalists online will always tell you to check their reference list and do your own research. The GB repeatedly mocked us for doing our own research.
Funny because when new people agree to a bible study we alway shower them with "We think its so smart that you're asking questions and researching (from our publications).
Conspiracy theorists they called us.

Right! They know how much weight their words carry. And then they have the nerve to replay that very video AGAIN. I think it was last year at the service meeting. It's almost like they WANT to expose themselves. If I were David Splane, I'd want to bury that video, not PLAY IT AGAIN. I just don't get it, but what do I know — I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist listening to misinformation.

 

[Antoon]

I did not want to bring this up at first, partly because it is a sensitive subject; it concerns my wife, she has been ill for almost a year now. It started with waking up and one leg being purple-red and doubly swollen—erysipelas—but the nurses who picked her up also feared thrombosis.
After that, there were frequent examinations, as well as a week-long hospital stay.

Now she is at home with a hospital bed in the living room, she has great difficulty walking.
She had left JW years ago, so that falls outside of this. I did warn her about the injection, but she did not want to listen at first; fortunately, she did not accept the final boost.
We are already older, so death will not be a surprise to us. Still, I pray that it will be without extra suffering or difficulties for her and also for me. In this regard, meditation, understanding, and prayer from my fellow brothers and sisters are also appropriate.
Feedback sturen

 

[MickHewitt]

In this regard, meditation, understanding, and prayer from my fellow brothers and sisters are also appropriate.

So sad to hear this: My prayers are with you and your wife Bro Antoon and I'm sure fellow brothers and sisters here will pray for you both too. I have been truly blessed when reaching out to our little online congregation for their prayers and not just once either!
This is something that does not get lost in translation

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

After the broadcasts came out, I had already decided I wasn't going to take the jab. My sister was undecided because she felt maybe there was a reason the GB was trying to persuade us to take it. After we talked, I think I scared her into not taking it, so the two of us were the only ones in our family who didn't. My brother went straight to my sister's job and told her not to listen to me — that the Governing Body was advising us to take it and we should obey them. Well, two weeks ago my brother had a stroke, and his son, my nephew, who also took it, now has a heart problem. David Splane's question keeps popping up in my head: "Would Jehovah allow the GB, its helpers, and the entire Bethel family to take a Covid vaccine that would harm us? Friends, it all comes down to this — do you believe Jehovah is guiding this organization?"

Ummm, well, I used to, but I certainly don't now!

Oh Goldie, that's so awful for you
As you said, "I used to, but I certainly don't now" how many other brothers and sisters think exactly the same but are too afraid or confused to say it out loud like we have? I bet your sister is so grateful she listened to you rather than to "Jehovah"

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

After the broadcasts came out, I had already decided I wasn't going to take the jab. My sister was undecided because she felt maybe there was a reason the GB was trying to persuade us to take it. After we talked, I think I scared her into not taking it, so the two of us were the only ones in our family who didn't. My brother went straight to my sister's job and told her not to listen to me — that the Governing Body was advising us to take it and we should obey them. Well, two weeks ago my brother had a stroke, and his son, my nephew, who also took it, now has a heart problem. David Splane's question keeps popping up in my head: "Would Jehovah allow the GB, its helpers, and the entire Bethel family to take a Covid vaccine that would harm us? Friends, it all comes down to this — do you believe Jehovah is guiding this organization?"

Ummm, well, I used to, but I certainly don't now!

“Would Jehovah allow the GB, its helpers, and the entire Bethel family to take a Covid vaccine that would harm us? Friends, it all comes down to this — do you believe Jehovah is guiding this organization?"

Certainly Jehovah would allow us our own actions. Our decision to serve Him is entirely our own. The statement by Splane is a true reflection of their naive assumption that just because we believe in Jehovah that He would protect us from our own ignorance. It’s not the case. Which of us does not believe in Satan also?

The issue of protection is one of understanding and doing, not passivity and abstinence from wrongdoing. If one has understanding of the word then one is compelled to adhere to the issues of truth and become part of its expression. Watchtower do not require that of the sheep. The gb put themselves as a barrier to understanding through their assuming of direction in teaching what is, and what is not truth. Thus they have their reward of their own making, and likewise, their followers. Hence their downfall.

Even then, does Jehovah allow us freedom to do as we please? To get drunk, like Noah, to betray the son of man like Judas? It seems to me that Jehovah rewards those actively seeking to do His will because their understanding of Him - such as that may be - is committed in faith because of our trust in knowledge of what is required of us. He requires just a mustard grain of it within our daily life. Then He may inform us, just as He feeds us, through wisdom in reasoning. I don’t see much reasoning in Splane’s explanation. Just wishful thinking based upon a lie of their self importance and assumptions.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Was

“Would Jehovah allow the GB, its helpers, and the entire Bethel family to take a Covid vaccine that would harm us? Friends, it all comes down to this — do you believe Jehovah is guiding this organization?"

Certainly Jehovah would allow us our own actions. Our decision to serve Him is entirely our own. The statement by Splane is a true reflection of their naive assumption that just because we believe in Jehovah that He would protect us from our own ignorance. It’s not the case. Which of us does not believe in Satan also?

The issue of protection is one of understanding and doing, not passivity and abstinence from wrongdoing. If one has understanding of the word then one is compelled to adhere to the issues of truth and become part of its expression. Watchtower do not require that of the sheep. The gb put themselves as a barrier to understanding through their assuming of direction in teaching what is, and what is not truth. Thus they have their reward of their own making, and likewise, their followers. Hence their downfall.

Even then, does Jehovah allow us freedom to do as we please? To get drunk, like Noah, to betray the son of man like Judas? It seems to me that Jehovah rewards those actively seeking to do His will because their understanding of Him - such as that may be - is committed in faith because of our trust in knowledge of what is required of us. He requires just a mustard grain of it within our daily life. Then He may inform us, just as He feeds us, through wisdom in reasoning. I don’t see much reasoning in Splane’s explanation. Just wishful thinking based upon a lie of their self importance and assumptions.

"Just wishful thinking based upon a lie of their self importance and assumptions"

Wasn't it just

 

[Watchman]

I did not want to bring this up at first, partly because it is a sensitive subject; it concerns my wife, she has been ill for almost a year now. It started with waking up and one leg being purple-red and doubly swollen—erysipelas—but the nurses who picked her up also feared thrombosis.
After that, there were frequent examinations, as well as a week-long hospital stay.

Now she is at home with a hospital bed in the living room, she has great difficulty walking.
She had left JW years ago, so that falls outside of this. I did warn her about the injection, but she did not want to listen at first; fortunately, she did not accept the final boost.
We are already older, so death will not be a surprise to us. Still, I pray that it will be without extra suffering or difficulties for her and also for me. In this regard, meditation, understanding, and prayer from my fellow brothers and sisters are also appropriate.
Feedback sturen

There are clot-dissolving enzyme formulas, such as nattokinase and serrapeptase. Also, intermittent fasting might help.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

I didn't want to bring this up at first, partly because it is a sensitive subject; it concerns my wife, she has been ill for almost a year now. It started with waking up and one leg being purple-red and doubly swollen—erysipelas—but the nurses who picked her up also feared thrombosis.
After that, there were frequent examinations, as well as a week-long hospital stay.

Now she is at home with a hospital bed in the living room, she has great difficulty walking.
She had left JW years ago, so that falls outside of this. I did warn her about the injection, but she didn't want to listen at first; Fortunately, she did not accept the final boost.
We are already older, so death will not be a surprise to us. Still, I pray that it will be without extra suffering or difficulties for her and also for me. In this regard, meditation, understanding, and prayer from my fellow brothers and sisters are also appropriate.
Feedback sturen

So sorry to hear this Antoon there are so many people to remember in our prayers, I'm very glad to know that Jehovah even notices every little sparrow that falls to the ground and every star up in the sky. I get a lot of comfort with the knowledge that one minute we are here, in this system of things and then it'll seem like the next minute we'll be here again in Jehovah's new system of things. All the suffering we've experienced in this "first" life of ours will just be a "blip" in time, just a moment in the grand scheme of things