Would you like to be anointed?

[Posstot]

Thank you for that reply. I find Luke 17:20, 21 interesting in relation to what we are discussing and what he said to Pharisees: "On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” Because the world has already been warned by world-wide witnessing...

Right, but Jesus wasn't referring to our day with His answer to the Pharisees, but talking about His presence then and there, which did not come about with striking observableness, when He was born unnoticed into an insignificant little town in Palestine, but then, in verse 22, when addressing His disciples, He switches to our day and this second coming, which will indeed be with striking observableness in front of all the tribes of the earth, in power and great glory such as no one ever saw and experienced, other than the four disciples on the holy mountain, who merely saw it in a vision, except, this time it will be the real thing, and in front of 8+ billion people, who will be stunned out of their wits.

 

[Joel]

Right, but Jesus wasn't referring to our day with His answer to the Pharisees, but talking about His presence then and there, which did not come about with striking observableness, when He was born unnoticed into an insignificant little town in Palestine, but then, in verse 22, when addressing His disciples, He switches to our day and this second coming, which will indeed be with striking observableness in front of all the tribes of the earth, in power and great glory such as no one ever saw and experienced, other than the four disciples on the holy mountain, who merely saw it in a vision, except, this time it will be the real thing, and in front of 8+ billion people, who will be stunned out of their wits.

Before I answer your comment (please give me time), aren't the 8+ billion people already being gradually "stunned out of their wits" with this nonsensical Plandemia and all that goes with it?...

 

[Joel]

Right, but Jesus wasn't referring to our day with His answer to the Pharisees, but talking about His presence then and there, which did not come about with striking observableness, when He was born unnoticed into an insignificant little town in Palestine, but then, in verse 22, when addressing His disciples, He switches to our day and this second coming, which will indeed be with striking observableness in front of all the tribes of the earth, in power and great glory such as no one ever saw and experienced, other than the four disciples on the holy mountain, who merely saw it in a vision, except, this time it will be the real thing, and in front of 8+ billion people, who will be stunned out of their wits.

Could it be that you are referring to Revelation 1:7 - "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen." But that, I believe, will happen at Armageddon...

 

[Robert194972]

Right, but Jesus wasn't referring to our day with His answer to the Pharisees, but talking about His presence then and there, which did not come about with striking observableness, when He was born unnoticed into an insignificant little town in Palestine, but then, in verse 22, when addressing His disciples, He switches to our day and this second coming, which will indeed be with striking observableness in front of all the tribes of the earth, in power and great glory such as no one ever saw and experienced, other than the four disciples on the holy mountain, who merely saw it in a vision, except, this time it will be the real thing, and in front of 8+ billion people, who will be stunned out of their wits.

You cannot get around it my bro flesh and blood cannot gain entry into heaven. While the brothers only saw Jesus coming into his kingdom via a vision, no unbelievers did. As you say it was only a vision. However Saul encountered Jesus in his glorified state. Had not Jesus planned to use Saul, I suspect that Saul would have been killed. As regards Joel's post I was thinking how Stephen typified the anointed in the last days with his hard hitting message against his listeners which caused them to kill him. Much the same as the hard hitting message the two witnesses deliver angers the King of the north causing them ( the two witnesses ) to be killed. Rev-9:3-12.

 

[Robert194972]

I like harping...even while asleep...

Don't they have a gadget to stop one harping in their sleep?

 

[Joel]

Don't they have a gadget to stop one harping in their sleep?

It is a good harping...

 

[Posstot]

Could it be that you are referring to Revelation 1:7 - "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen." But that, I believe, will happen at Armageddon...

Right, that is precisely the same event as in Mat 24: 29-31, which happens immediately after the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Posstot]

You cannot get around it my bro flesh and blood cannot gain entry into heaven. While the brothers only saw Jesus coming into his kingdom via a vision, no unbelievers did.

True, but there is a substantive difference between being martyred before Christ returns and being there in the flesh seeing Him coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory, as quite a few anointed ones will experience, only to then be glorified without needing to die, as the corruptible is swallowed up by the immortal spirit existence in the blinking of an eye.

There was no need for any unbelievers to see Christ after His resurrection, but scripture tells us that every eye of all the tribes of the earth will see Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory, precisely to expose the universally admired beast system then blessing the world as a fraud; for what point would there be for Jesus to replace one fake invisible presence of the WT with another one, which also relies on people saying that it is real, so that again those not initiated into this secret coming, would again need to trust those saying so, to tell the truth?

We need to understand that not only did the WT get the date wrong, but that the whole invisible presence concept is a lie.

Similarly, since the WT has got a lot of doctrines right, it is not enough to just discard the false ones that they also teach, but to realize that the whole concept of the 'package deal' is wrong, because otherwise people just replace the WT package with the Adventist one or any other group that they subsequently join, which is precisely Satan's trick, where you need to take the good with the bad, the truth with the lie, because it is all 'according to scripture,' it is all 'prophesied to be like that,' it is 'all good,' whereas scripture says: "NO lie originates with the truth;" which part of 'no' don't people understand?

 

[Max2021]

The truth detector, is that you?

No, Im not

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Do you have in mind Jacob's leader?...

I think he meant Jacob’s ‘ladder’

 

[kirmmy]

No, Im not

OK sorry. It's just the last time we had someone ask other's about their anointing it was a guy named The Truth Detector and he was rather rude. I just thought he started a new account to further antagonize the Bro/Sis here.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

OK sorry. It's just the last time we had someone ask other's about their anointing it was a guy named The Truth Detector and he was rather rude. I just thought he started a new account to further antagonize the Bro/Sis here.

It may be a pointless technicality, but if everyone is speaking truth then being a truth detector, (I,e,. seeking lies) is pointless because there is nothing to detect, rather like searching for the colour black, when everything is black. That is why American police have lie detectors. Truth surely is the norm? As is dark. Light is a creation and the natural state is blackness. Perhaps he should have given himself the handle of “The Obvious Detector”?

 

[Robert194972]

True, but there is a substantive difference between being martyred before Christ returns and being there in the flesh seeing Him coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory, as quite a few anointed ones will experience, only to then be glorified without needing to die, as the corruptible is swallowed up by the immortal spirit existence in the blinking of an eye.

There was no need for any unbelievers to see Christ after His resurrection, but scripture tells us that every eye of all the tribes of the earth will see Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory, precisely to expose the universally admired beast system then blessing the world as a fraud; for what point would there be for Jesus to replace one fake invisible presence of the WT with another one, which also relies on people saying that it is real, so that again those not initiated into this secret coming, would again need to trust those saying so, to tell the truth?

We need to understand that not only did the WT get the date wrong, but that the whole invisible presence concept is a lie.

Similarly, since the WT has got a lot of doctrines right, it is not enough to just discard the false ones that they also teach, but to realize that the whole concept of the 'package deal' is wrong, because otherwise people just replace the WT package with the Adventist one or any other group that they subsequently join, which is precisely Satan's trick, where you need to take the good with the bad, the truth with the lie, because it is all 'according to scripture,' it is all 'prophesied to be like that,' it is 'all good,' whereas scripture says: "NO lie originates with the truth;" which part of 'no' don't people understand?

Thats the thing my bro the anointed are not going to be martyred before Christ returns. They and they alone will witness Christ's magnificence and then they will announce it to the nations along with a message of doom as their final assignment, after which the wild beast will kill them. Yep I understand completely that the WT got it wrong, right from the beginning. And yet in spite of that the WT taught me well up to a point. I tool it from there. Then when I became a student of Robert King in 2016 there abouts? I began learning more and more. And yes Satan is a liar, and yes no lie originates with God. With you there my brother. But how does all you think you know change the fact that the anointed are not allowed into heaven as flesh and blood? You see they must cease to exist as humans before they can gain entry into heaven. For that to happen, yes you guessed it they need to die. Bravo!

 

[Robert194972]

It may be a pointless technicality, but if everyone is speaking truth then being a truth detector, (I,e,. seeking lies) is pointless because there is nothing to detect, rather like searching for the colour black, when everything is black. That is why American police have lie detectors. Truth surely is the norm? As is dark. Light is a creation and the natural state is blackness. Perhaps he should have given himself the handle of “The Obvious Detector”?

Although The Truth Detector is a legitimate designation, sort of akin to The truth Seeker. Given the fact that Lies and untruth abound. Hopefully not on this forum But.

 

[JTK]

There was no need for any unbelievers to see Christ after His resurrection, but scripture tells us that every eye of all the tribes of the earth will see Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory, precisely to expose the universally admired beast system then blessing the world as a fraud; for what point would there be for Jesus to replace one fake invisible presence of the WT with another one, which also relies on people saying that it is real, so that again those not initiated into this secret coming, would again need to trust those saying so, to tell the truth?

We need to understand that not only did the WT get the date wrong, but that the whole invisible presence concept is a lie.

i agree that the whole invisible presence concept is a fraud and i also believe that scripture is clear at some point in time all the nations will see The Son of God arriving on the clouds of heaven in all his glory with all his angels.
as we know heaven and the spirit beings who inhabit it are in another dimension to our physical reality rather than in another physical place in our universe, so the "coming on the clouds" i think is a joining of the two dimensions.
so just as when Christ ascended into heaven and was seen by the disciples and a cloud covering him as we know was returning to heaven. to another dimension.
so i would say it is reasonable to conclude that "coming on the clouds of heaven"is a selected term for makind to realise something awesome was going to occur. the revealing of the spirit dimension in some way?
However i also see what Robert has wrote about the coming of Christ is undeniably true
that Christ will come alongside his living anointed ones and they shall see him as he is and become like him is 1 John 3:2
and they will shine as brightly as the stars. (daniel)
so it will not be the same old same old invisible presence routine as you suggest by a group claiming to be the Sons of God and having seen Christ, No,it will be something that is undeniable for all mankind to see

They will see Christ throught the transformation of his Sons (the 2 witnesses} who faces shine as the sun Undeniably the Sons of God

Robert has wrote much about this event, KevinB is brilliant at digging out the relevant commentaries and hope he will provide a link to them it is a fascinating read
so in conclusion i agree that the return of Christ is going to be an incredible event that all mankind will be aware of, i do not see how they can actually all see Christ and live, but they will see an event that makes them aware of a change in government from earthly to heavenly and that will be prepped by the initial coming alongside of Christ to his chosen ones and a global witness that mankind will be unable to stop until Jehovah decides it is time Rev 11
i hope no one takes offence at anything that i have proposed may be a feasible understanding of these events and i suspect we will not fully know the exact details until these things occur.
john

 

[Posstot]

Thats the thing my bro the anointed are not going to be martyred before Christ returns. They and they alone will witness Christ's magnificence and then they will announce it to the nations along with a message of doom as their final assignment, after which the wild beast will kill them. Yep I understand completely that the WT got it wrong, right from the beginning. And yet in spite of that the WT taught me well up to a point. I tool it from there. Then when I became a student of Robert King in 2016 there abouts? I began learning more and more. And yes Satan is a liar, and yes no lie originates with God. With you there my brother. But how does all you think you know change the fact that the anointed are not allowed into heaven as flesh and blood? You see they must cease to exist as humans before they can gain entry into heaven. For that to happen, yes you guessed it they need to die. Bravo!

Talking about His coming, Jesus said: 'then, two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned;' - so how exactly is an anointed sister that has just been killed by the beast found grinding at the hand mill with another woman?

That is, of course, if all anointed ones have to be killed by the beast before Jesus arrives; because having arrived, they will instantly be gathered to Him, by being caught up into the clouds in power and great glory, out of reach of the beast, and being immortal spirits to boot.

 

[Posstot]

However i also see what Robert has wrote about the coming of Christ is undeniably true
that Christ will come alongside his living anointed ones and they shall see him as he is and become like him is 1 John 3:2

Right, but that 'coming alongside' has got to be at the point of Jesus coming publicly on the clouds of heaven, where 'all the tribes of the earth will see Him,' because if His 'coming alongside' would be reported before that, it would be from Satan, since Jesus specifically and strictly warned against a manifestation of His 'in the wilderness' or the 'inner chambers' as some false prophets will proclaim before His actual public coming on the clouds of heaven. Mat 24:25-27

Hence, this cannot be a private 'coming alongside' to the anointed ones prior to His public manifestation before the world.

 

[JTK]

Right, but that 'coming alongside' has got to be at the point of Jesus coming publicly on the clouds of heaven, where 'all the tribes of the earth will see Him,' because if His 'coming alongside' would be reported before that, it would be from Satan, since Jesus specifically and strictly warned against a manifestation of His 'in the wilderness' or the 'inner chambers' as some false prophets will proclaim before His actual public coming on the clouds of heaven. Mat 24:25-27

Hence, this cannot be a private 'coming alongside' to the anointed ones prior to His public manifestation before the world.

No not necessarily Posstot
the coming along side has a specific purpose with regard to the chosen ones, Robert explains how the vision of the transfiguration is directly related to the coming alongside. it seems perfectly reasonable and scriptural to me that the Chosen ones will be ministered to By Christ in a special way,in preperation for a final witness.
A visible presence to those who belong to Christ that has an effect that empowers themselves to give a visible final witness the like of mankind has never before experienced.
i assume you have read What Robert has wrote on this subject? if not i suggest you do and give it some consideration.
However i do understand your concern that scripture tells us that many will be proclaimimg Christ has come and is in "the inner chambers" etc and obviously that will occurr
However when the genuine coming alongside takes places there will be no doubt in the minds of the remnant of anointed ones because they will see Christ in his glory and reflect that in their own faces and those who wait for these things to occur will surely not fail to recognise them as fulfillment of scripture.
john

 

[MickHewitt]

No not necessarily Posstot
the coming along side has a specific purpose with regard to the chosen ones, Robert explains how the vision of the transfiguration is directly related to the coming alongside. it seems perfectly reasonable and scriptural to me that the Chosen ones will be ministered to By Christ in a special way,in preperation for a final witness.
A visible presence to those who belong to Christ that has an effect that empowers themselves to give a visible final witness the like of mankind has never before experienced.
i assume you have read What Robert has wrote on this subject? if not i suggest you do and give it some consideration.
However i do understand your concern that scripture tells us that many will be proclaimimg Christ has come and is in "the inner chambers" etc and obviously that will occurr
However when the genuine coming alongside takes places there will be no doubt in the minds of the remnant of anointed ones because they will see Christ in his glory and reflect that in their own faces and those who wait for these things to occur will surely not fail to recognise them as fulfillment of scripture.
john

This is so encouraging: Do I detect the formation of a 'Pure Language' if I'm getting too excited then forgive me! What I have observed with questions like dear PossTot's, is that it; hones reply!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

i agree that the whole invisible presence concept is a fraud and i also believe that scripture is clear at some point in time all the nations will see The Son of God arriving on the clouds of heaven in all his glory with all his angels.
as we know heaven and the spirit beings who inhabit it are in another dimension to our physical reality rather than in another physical place in our universe, so the "coming on the clouds" i think is a joining of the two dimensions.
so just as when Christ ascended into heaven and was seen by the disciples and a cloud covering him as we know was returning to heaven. to another dimension.
so i would say it is reasonable to conclude that "coming on the clouds of heaven"is a selected term for makind to realise something awesome was going to occur. the revealing of the spirit dimension in some way?
However i also see what Robert has wrote about the coming of Christ is undeniably true
that Christ will come alongside his living anointed ones and they shall see him as he is and become like him is 1 John 3:2
and they will shine as brightly as the stars. (daniel)
so it will not be the same old same old invisible presence routine as you suggest by a group claiming to be the Sons of God and having seen Christ, No,it will be something that is undeniable for all mankind to see

They will see Christ throught the transformation of his Sons (the 2 witnesses} who faces shine as the sun Undeniably the Sons of God

Robert has wrote much about this event, KevinB is brilliant at digging out the relevant commentaries and hope he will provide a link to them it is a fascinating read
so in conclusion i agree that the return of Christ is going to be an incredible event that all mankind will be aware of, i do not see how they can actually all see Christ and live, but they will see an event that makes them aware of a change in government from earthly to heavenly and that will be prepped by the initial coming alongside of Christ to his chosen ones and a global witness that mankind will be unable to stop until Jehovah decides it is time Rev 11
i hope no one takes offence at anything that i have proposed may be a feasible understanding of these events and i suspect we will not fully know the exact details until these things occur.
john

Interesting point. There are posited 10 dimensions, mostly depending on the existence of the one preceding it. To cut out the waffle, the 10th dimension is simply termed the ability to consider all things from any angle with limitless capability, I.e., that everything exists. The forth dimension, and the only one that has weight to it as far as our perception goes, is time. And time is the only one mentioned in the bible, apart from a mere hint of the (theorised) tenth dimension in that everything is possible for Jehovah - but as the creator, or “he who causes to become”, that is hardly a jaw dropping statement to make. As you rightly point out, the dimension of time is worth considering in terms of visibility. After all, the bible points to Jehovah being aware of even the slightest change in his creation insofar as the sparrow is mentioned. Some may say that that is a ”flight” of fancy, but seriously, the timelessness of the human conscience and consciousness, along with Jehovah knowing all things, points to an ever present existence within our own dimension. It may be simplistic to say, but the factor of time would indeed point to the answer. After all, it was Jehovah that created the laws of time.
It is also of note that time can be extruded by gravity, as can light, thus giving rise to the suggestion, or theory, that everything can be hidden from us by those extremities of the fourth dimension of time. The saying, “I will only be a second“ may have more depth than we are aware of. I think I recall though that Jehovah‘s kingdom is a literal place. I don’t think that the forth dimension of time would nullify the suggestion that such a place has its seat within the flexibility of time. I recall that the watchtower hypothesis of Jehovah’s kingdom being 40 days away because it took 40 days between Christ‘s death and the outpouring of spirit. I don’t think they have tried to substantiate that claim because it is unlikely that time has any significance for spirit beings except for measurement when being applied to mortal flesh to allow us a point of reference, so much so, that we are unable to conceptualise without it. That is not a problem for Jehovah is it, where a thousand ages in his sight is like and evening gone?!

 

[JTK]

nteresting point. There are posited 10 dimensions, mostly depending on the existence of the one preceding it. To cut out the waffle, the 10th dimension is simply termed the ability to consider all things from any angle with limitless capability, I.e., that everything exists. The forth dimension, and the only one that has weight to it as far as our perception goes, is time. And time is the only one mentioned in the bible, apart from a mere hint of the (theorised) tenth dimension in that everything is possible for Jehovah - but as the creator, or “he who causes to become”, that is hardly a jaw dropping statement to make. As you rightly point out, the dimension of time is worth considering in terms of visibility. After all, the bible points to Jehovah being aware of even the slightest change in his creation insofar as the sparrow is mentioned. Some may say that that is a ”flight” of fancy, but seriously, the timelessness of the human conscience and consciousness, along with Jehovah knowing all things, points to an ever present existence within our own dimension. It may be simplistic to say, but the factor of time would indeed point to the answer. After all, it was Jehovah that created the laws of time.
It is also of note that time can be extruded by gravity, as can light, thus giving rise to the suggestion, or theory, that everything can be hidden from us by those extremities of the fourth dimension of time. The saying, “I will only be a second“ may have more depth than we are aware of. I think I recall though that Jehovah‘s kingdom is a literal place. I don’t think that the forth dimension of time would nullify the suggestion that such a place has its seat within the flexibility of time. I recall that the watchtower hypothesis of Jehovah’s kingdom being 40 days away because it took 40 days between Christ‘s death and the outpouring of spirit. I don’t think they have tried to substantiate that claim because it is unlikely that time has any significance for spirit beings except for measurement when being applied to mortal flesh to allow us a point of reference, so much so, that we are unable to conceptualise without it. That is not a problem

my words are like that of a grunting gorilla compared to yours

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

my words are like that of a grunting gorilla compared to yours

Do please try not to compare your values of expression with what others may write. In truth, the only value that is worth our while, is faith, and I know by your expressions of care for others, that that is a very dependable resource of heart that you have. Be confident in your own works, sure in the knowledge that Jehovah is the one that rewards.

 

[Robert194972]

Talking about His coming, Jesus said: 'then, two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned;' - so how exactly is an anointed sister that has just been killed by the beast found grinding at the hand mill with another woman?

That is, of course, if all anointed ones have to be killed by the beast before Jesus arrives; because having arrived, they will instantly be gathered to Him, by being caught up into the clouds in power and great glory, out of reach of the beast, and being immortal spirits to boot.

The anointed are not going to be killed by the wild beast before Christ appears. but after Jesus has arrived then the scenario at the appropriate time, ( one is taken but not the companion ) plays out. Just to recap, The anointed cannot enter into heaven as flesh and blood. Oh, yeah they make the blink of an eye switch while they're cruising up into the sky you say? mm?.....Ah, you believe that rapture thing huh?

 

[Robert194972]

No not necessarily Posstot
the coming along side has a specific purpose with regard to the chosen ones, Robert explains how the vision of the transfiguration is directly related to the coming alongside. it seems perfectly reasonable and scriptural to me that the Chosen ones will be ministered to By Christ in a special way,in preperation for a final witness.
A visible presence to those who belong to Christ that has an effect that empowers themselves to give a visible final witness the like of mankind has never before experienced.
i assume you have read What Robert has wrote on this subject? if not i suggest you do and give it some consideration.
However i do understand your concern that scripture tells us that many will be proclaimimg Christ has come and is in "the inner chambers" etc and obviously that will occurr
However when the genuine coming alongside takes places there will be no doubt in the minds of the remnant of anointed ones because they will see Christ in his glory and reflect that in their own faces and those who wait for these things to occur will surely not fail to recognise them as fulfillment of scripture.
john

And the coming alongside them happens after Jesus makes the ( thief like ) unexpected inspection or his household. Luke-12:37. A witnessing that only the anointed are privileged to have. But the rest of creation may in some way get the sense that something is up but not necessarily see it with their literal sight?.

 

[JTK]

And the coming alongside them happens after Jesus makes the ( thief like ) unexpected inspection or his household. Luke-12:37. A witnessing that only the anointed are privileged to have. But the rest of creation may in some way get the sense that something is up but not necessarily see it with their literal sight?.

i do not think that the "rest of creation" will see Christ with their literal sight but the coming of the kingdom of God is surely going to have a bigger impact than stirring curiosity in mankind in general?
I fully agree that Robert king is right in his understanding of the visible presence, the manifestation of Christ to his chosen ones and to judge the house of God and appoint the sons of the Kingdom a mission of a final witness to mankind.
however IMO
this will be mankinds last chance to repent ( a bit like the ninevites and jonah) but most will not, indeed we are told that they rejoice at the deaths of the remnant of the chosen ones at the hand of the beast rev 11

the coming of Christ in all his glory with all his angels is a later and different event but closely coupled to the ascension of the witnesses into heaven,
imo scripture show that mankind will not only be aware of this event because it will be visible and audible and global they will be also be terrified and try to hide because they will fully understand what is happening (the 2 witnessess had told them to repent)
the Return of Christ and His Kingdom will arrive and will destroy all earthly government rulerships, Daniel 2:44
i believe that scripture is clear, they will see and hear, and understand what is happening Matthew 24:30,31