Jerry&Phyllis
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As most of you are probably aware, it has been over two weeks since we met with the "Appeal Committee" (assuming that is still the proper terminology???) and were, subsequently, disfellowshipped. However, as far as we know, there is yet to be an official announcement, although, the word that we have been disfellowshipped has spread to Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina and Colorado among JW family, friends and even elder bodies. For some reason, my sister, who lives in Tennessee, felt the need to share our original letter with her body of elders. (Go figure). Little did she know that she played right into our hand by helping us put the message out to a broader audience.
Most on the forum are probably not aware that we sent a letter to the chairman of our Appeal Committee as well as the Circuit Overseer requesting a "retrial" for the reasons stated in the letter below. Originally, we had made the decision not to post our response to the Appeal hearing. However, we were only given a 7-day window in which to request an appeal; yet, the Branch allots themselves an undisclosed and apparently unlimited window for the GB/Legal to hand down a response to our request for a retrial. Therefore, in view of the two week communication blackout, we have decided to make our letter and the WT judicial process public to, once again, expose their hypocrisy. (But, who has ever accused them of being just and fair?)
June 26, 2024
XXXXX XXXXX, Circuit Overseer
Subject: Request for Re-trial by a Newly Appointed Appeal Committee
Dear XXXXXX,
Could it be that when a person loses their appreciation for truth, their aversion to lying is commensurately impacted? We have done nothing but tell the truth; nevertheless, we have been disfellowshipped not for anything we have done; simply for what we have said. Yet, the chairman of our appeal committee lied in a judicial hearing which had previously been opened with prayer and apparently no one really cares.
The appeal committee’s decision was rendered in an emotionless, matter of fact manner with no explanation as to the reasons behind the decision….. i.e. "These are the reasons behind our decision" or "this is why we find you guilty". We have repeatedly asked for proof that anything we have stated in our documents is not true.
For the following reasons, we are formally requesting a new Appeal Committee to be appointed to retry our case for the following reasons:
1. Misconduct by one of the judges. As you may or may not be aware, for lack of a better word, a lie was told during the appeal hearing. The untruth was told when the chairman responded to my question, “Are there any more appeal options available to us?”. He replied that there are no additional appeal options available. Clearly, the April 2024 edition of the “Shepherding the Flock” book states otherwise.
10. The appeal committee should not initiate discussion of a further appeal.
However, if the individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has
occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may express his
concern in a letter within seven days. If he indicates a desire to submit a letter
of appeal, the announcement of disfellowshipping should be delayed. The
appeal committee should submit to the Service Department a brief summary
of the case, the judicial committee’s summary, and the individual’s letter.
No announcement should be made until a reply is received from the Service
Department. The body of elders should be updated on the results of
the appeal hearing.—See 22:19-21.
Since most of the organization’s “secret” books are available on the internet, it’s not difficult to get access to a copy. I have the April 2024 release. Had I not known the answer to the question and, called him out, the untruth would have been allowed to stand unchallenged. How can we expect to receive a fair trial when one of the judges in our hearing is caught in a bald-face lie?
2. Also, if you judge a person guilty, you must have proven that the person is actually guilty. We have asked everyone to prove one statement in our documents as false. No one, including the Appeal Committee has even attempted to do so. If we are guilty of “causing divisions”, then so is Christ Jesus. In fact, Jesus said at Matthew 10:35 . . .For I came to cause division. . . which only resulted from Jesus stating “the truth”.
We are not submitting an appeal to the Branch because there is absolutely no basis for our having any confidence in that process. What do they care? You are all on the same team. Their only interest in “people like us”, who unabashedly and openly point out the flaws & hypocrisy of the governing body, is to “silence” us at all cost, even resorting to lying and false charges, if necessary. After all, the sheep must be “protected” from anyone who might actually expose them to “truth”.
The Appeal Committee may not be concerned about justice being fairly administered but you can be certain that there is someone who does care.
(Deuteronomy 16:18-20) . . .“You should set judges and officers for yourself inside all your gates that Jehovah your God is giving you by your tribes, and they must judge the people with righteous judgment. 19 You must not pervert judgment. You must not be partial or accept a bribe, for the bribe blinds the eyes of wise ones and distorts the words of righteous ones. 20 Justice—justice you should pursue, in order that you may keep alive. . .
(Amos 5:7) . . .O YOU who are turning justice into mere wormwood, and the ones who have cast righteousness itself to the earth. . .
(Habakkuk 1:4) 4 Therefore law grows numb, and justice never goes forth. Because the wicked one is surrounding the righteous one, for that reason justice goes forth crooked.
Jehovah is, in no way, bound by the decisions made by the representatives of his earthly organization. However, that is not to imply that those same decisions will not factor into the judgment placed upon those responsible for rendering said decisions. Your judgments neither define us nor do they affect the verdict of our ultimate judgment by God. We eagerly await your response.
Respectfully submitted,
_______________________________
Jerry XXXX
______________________________
Phyllis XXXX
cc: XXXXXXXXXX, Chairman
Service Desk
Most on the forum are probably not aware that we sent a letter to the chairman of our Appeal Committee as well as the Circuit Overseer requesting a "retrial" for the reasons stated in the letter below. Originally, we had made the decision not to post our response to the Appeal hearing. However, we were only given a 7-day window in which to request an appeal; yet, the Branch allots themselves an undisclosed and apparently unlimited window for the GB/Legal to hand down a response to our request for a retrial. Therefore, in view of the two week communication blackout, we have decided to make our letter and the WT judicial process public to, once again, expose their hypocrisy. (But, who has ever accused them of being just and fair?)
June 26, 2024
XXXXX XXXXX, Circuit Overseer
Subject: Request for Re-trial by a Newly Appointed Appeal Committee
Dear XXXXXX,
Could it be that when a person loses their appreciation for truth, their aversion to lying is commensurately impacted? We have done nothing but tell the truth; nevertheless, we have been disfellowshipped not for anything we have done; simply for what we have said. Yet, the chairman of our appeal committee lied in a judicial hearing which had previously been opened with prayer and apparently no one really cares.
The appeal committee’s decision was rendered in an emotionless, matter of fact manner with no explanation as to the reasons behind the decision….. i.e. "These are the reasons behind our decision" or "this is why we find you guilty". We have repeatedly asked for proof that anything we have stated in our documents is not true.
For the following reasons, we are formally requesting a new Appeal Committee to be appointed to retry our case for the following reasons:
1. Misconduct by one of the judges. As you may or may not be aware, for lack of a better word, a lie was told during the appeal hearing. The untruth was told when the chairman responded to my question, “Are there any more appeal options available to us?”. He replied that there are no additional appeal options available. Clearly, the April 2024 edition of the “Shepherding the Flock” book states otherwise.
10. The appeal committee should not initiate discussion of a further appeal.
However, if the individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has
occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may express his
concern in a letter within seven days. If he indicates a desire to submit a letter
of appeal, the announcement of disfellowshipping should be delayed. The
appeal committee should submit to the Service Department a brief summary
of the case, the judicial committee’s summary, and the individual’s letter.
No announcement should be made until a reply is received from the Service
Department. The body of elders should be updated on the results of
the appeal hearing.—See 22:19-21.
Since most of the organization’s “secret” books are available on the internet, it’s not difficult to get access to a copy. I have the April 2024 release. Had I not known the answer to the question and, called him out, the untruth would have been allowed to stand unchallenged. How can we expect to receive a fair trial when one of the judges in our hearing is caught in a bald-face lie?
2. Also, if you judge a person guilty, you must have proven that the person is actually guilty. We have asked everyone to prove one statement in our documents as false. No one, including the Appeal Committee has even attempted to do so. If we are guilty of “causing divisions”, then so is Christ Jesus. In fact, Jesus said at Matthew 10:35 . . .For I came to cause division. . . which only resulted from Jesus stating “the truth”.
We are not submitting an appeal to the Branch because there is absolutely no basis for our having any confidence in that process. What do they care? You are all on the same team. Their only interest in “people like us”, who unabashedly and openly point out the flaws & hypocrisy of the governing body, is to “silence” us at all cost, even resorting to lying and false charges, if necessary. After all, the sheep must be “protected” from anyone who might actually expose them to “truth”.
The Appeal Committee may not be concerned about justice being fairly administered but you can be certain that there is someone who does care.
(Deuteronomy 16:18-20) . . .“You should set judges and officers for yourself inside all your gates that Jehovah your God is giving you by your tribes, and they must judge the people with righteous judgment. 19 You must not pervert judgment. You must not be partial or accept a bribe, for the bribe blinds the eyes of wise ones and distorts the words of righteous ones. 20 Justice—justice you should pursue, in order that you may keep alive. . .
(Amos 5:7) . . .O YOU who are turning justice into mere wormwood, and the ones who have cast righteousness itself to the earth. . .
(Habakkuk 1:4) 4 Therefore law grows numb, and justice never goes forth. Because the wicked one is surrounding the righteous one, for that reason justice goes forth crooked.
Jehovah is, in no way, bound by the decisions made by the representatives of his earthly organization. However, that is not to imply that those same decisions will not factor into the judgment placed upon those responsible for rendering said decisions. Your judgments neither define us nor do they affect the verdict of our ultimate judgment by God. We eagerly await your response.
Respectfully submitted,
_______________________________
Jerry XXXX
______________________________
Phyllis XXXX
cc: XXXXXXXXXX, Chairman
Service Desk
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I do understand why they dig their heels in though cos as soon as you separate Jesus from God and realise they're two separate entities then you have to learn about God having a name and being Jesus's father, and as far as I know, there's only one group of people who talk in depth about Jesus's father..
you're right about most people being concerned about their "feelings" If they cared more about Jehovah's feelings instead of their own then they'd learn a lot more truth
