SkinnyAndShort
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Are there scriptures to show there is not going to be a resurrection for Adam and Eve ? Or is it assumed since they started off perfect and failed that they lose out on life forever?
That is an interesting thought. I remember discussing it with a wise Brother one time. He came to the conclusion that Jesus offspring would be perfect and grow in number to eventually take over the earth and sinful men would simply go extinct. That wouldn't be the loving God we know though. He's concerned about even his sinful children and wants to give them the opportunity to live forever. It's a good thing that Jah is full of mercy and love and righteousness.BTW, if Jesus had had children and they had remained faithful, then all of Adam's children would not be able to be redeemed.
That is in the Insight book. Jesus' genes would be dominant becasue he was perfect. He did not need a perfect wife, his children would have been perfect because perfection would be the dominant gene. And the fact that we only needed one redeemer, and not 2, a man and woman, testifies to that fact also. But the fact is the Bible makes a very specific point to talk about "seed". It is a recurring theme through out the Bible.He came to the conclusion that Jesus offspring would be perfect
and grow in number to eventually take over the earth and sinful men would simply go extinct.
When Christ Jesus was baptized, he became fully aware and cognizant of his pre human, spirit existence. At that very moment, most definitely his desire to return "home" to be back alongside his heavenly Father cloaked in spiritual beauty was beyond words and any form of explanation the likes of us specs of dust could fathom or conjure up. Thus, to speculate hypothetically "If" Christ had of had children, etc is beyond recognition to me personally and borders on "________". I believe Jesus would have had zero desire for women. He was neutral. And I believe via his pre human understanding, knowledge, wisdom and unparralled love for his God it would have made the thought of cohabitating w/an earthling, frankly egregious and animalistic in equation. Thus, based on the Scriptures, why the Devil never tempted Jesus with sexual desires. Instead, he tempted him w/food, ego, pain. Even Satan knew Jesus held perfect mastery over his flesh w/perfect self control. Something pathetic Adam failed to exhibit. Where Adam's physical love for his wife was greater than for his Creator and mammy needy for her, Jesus love for his Father was immeasurable and something no fleshly woman could ever match and/or substitute. He needed only one thing...to be back with the Almighty, his beloved spirit Father, the personification of Love and the source of all masculine and feminine creation.That is in the Insight book. Jesus' genes would be dominant becasue he was perfect. He did not need a perfect wife, his children would have been perfect because perfection would be the dominant gene. And the fact that we only needed one redeemer, and not 2, a man and woman, testifies to that fact also. But the fact is the Bible makes a very specific point to talk about "seed". It is a recurring theme through out the Bible.
That's not even the real issue. The issue is if Jesus had had children, then Adam's children/offspring could never be redeemed if his offspring would have remained faithful. Yes they would go "extinct", but only because they were sinful and that sin condemned them all to die. So to the point, Jesus did not just sacrifice his life, he sacrificed the lives of any children he could have had, and adopted Adam's children! This is in line with what Jehovah did with the first human rebels. Rather than kill them and start new, he allowed the challenge to his ruler-ship and sovereignty to play out. In order to set right his original purpose, a perfect man had to lay down his life for all mankind, and I suspect, if Jesus had chosen to take a wife and have children, that would not have been a sin, because to be "created" that way in human form and have children was God's purpose but of course that would not redeem Adam's children. In fact this would make it all the more difficult for Jesus to resist Satan, if all he had to do was decide to have a family.
Btw, I do highly value and immensely appreciate your love, value and desire for spiritual matters and biblical subjects and considerations. Never lose such desireThat is in the Insight book. Jesus' genes would be dominant becasue he was perfect. He did not need a perfect wife, his children would have been perfect because perfection would be the dominant gene. And the fact that we only needed one redeemer, and not 2, a man and woman, testifies to that fact also. But the fact is the Bible makes a very specific point to talk about "seed". It is a recurring theme through out the Bible.
That's not even the real issue. The issue is if Jesus had had children, then Adam's children/offspring could never be redeemed if his offspring would have remained faithful. Yes they would go "extinct", but only because they were sinful and that sin condemned them all to die. So to the point, Jesus did not just sacrifice his life, he sacrificed the lives of any children he could have had, and adopted Adam's children! This is in line with what Jehovah did with the first human rebels. Rather than kill them and start new, he allowed the challenge to his ruler-ship and sovereignty to play out. In order to set right his original purpose, a perfect man had to lay down his life for all mankind, and I suspect, if Jesus had chosen to take a wife and have children, that would not have been a sin, because to be "created" that way in human form and have children was God's purpose but of course that would not redeem Adam's children. In fact this would make it all the more difficult for Jesus to resist Satan, if all he had to do was decide to have a family.
OK so look...nothing you said was wrong...my post had nothing to do with the realizations of what actually took place. My post was about the "law" in terms of what has taken place with regards to the entire challenge brought forth by Satan. Part of setting those things straight, for a fact was the fact that Jesus could have had children and perfect children. What the scriptures say is only a tiny fraction of what went on. But what the scriptures say, say a lot of what they don't say! It is an absolute fact, part of the temptation Jesus faced, was children of his own! The bible makes a point of saying "Jesus seed"...Jesus' seed is his adopted Adam offspring!When Christ Jesus was baptized, he became fully aware and cognizant of his pre human, spirit existence. At that very moment, most definitely his desire to return "home" to be back alongside his heavenly Father cloaked in spiritual beauty was beyond words and any form of explanation the likes of us specs of dust could fathom or conjure up. Thus, to speculate hypothetically "If" Christ had of had children, etc is beyond recognition to me personally and borders on "________". I believe Jesus would have had zero desire for women. He was neutral. And I believe via his pre human understanding, knowledge, wisdom and unparralled love for his God it would have made the thought of cohabitating w/an earthling, frankly egregious and animalistic in equation. Thus, based on the Scriptures, why the Devil never tempted Jesus with sexual desires. Instead, he tempted him w/food, ego, pain. Even Satan knew Jesus held perfect mastery over his flesh w/perfect self control. Something pathetic Adam failed to exhibit. Where Adam's physical love for his wife was greater than for his Creator and mammy needy for her, Jesus love for his Father was immeasurable and something no fleshly woman could ever match and/or substitute. He needed only one thing...to be back with the Almighty, his beloved spirit Father, the personification of Love and the source of all masculine and feminine creation.
You too...you get it right most of the time...I just happen to be right this time!!! LOL!!!!!!Btw, I do highly value and immensely appreciate your love, value and desire for spiritual matters and biblical subjects and considerations. Never lose such desire
When Eve sinned....what IF Adam had of rebuked her and stayed obedient to God. Yes, she would then eventually die within God's day....some 900 years later. But since we're playing hypothetical here, lets say via God's allowing...Adam then cohabitated w/his then suddenly sinful , imperfect wife Eve.... and bore children with her.... do you actually think such a union would have bore "perfect" offspring? I argue a perfect man who impregnated an imperfect vessel yields an imperfect child, albeit likely more robust, healthier and more handsome than two imperfect souls. Nonetheless, death would still be imminent for the child because the female host was flawed. Under that premise....a 1st century argument over such a predicament is therefore a mute point. Ahhhh, it lovely being right. LolOK so look...nothing you said was wrong...my post had nothing to do with the realizations of what actually took place. My post was about the "law" in terms of what has taken place with regards to the entire challenge brought forth by Satan. Part of setting those things straight, for a fact was the fact that Jesus could have had children and perfect children. What the scriptures say is only a tiny fraction of what went on. But what the scriptures say, say a lot of what they don't say! It is an absolute fact, part of the temptation Jesus faced, was children of his own! The bible makes a point of saying "Jesus seed"...Jesus' seed is his adopted Adam offspring!
Yes, they would have been perfect! For an absolute fact perfect. Are you going to argue that the imperfect genes of a sinful woman would have overruled the genes of a perfect man. And why did it only require the blood of the "second Adam" to redeem Adam's offspring and not the blood of a perfect man and a perfect woman? BTW, the WT agrees with me on this one and I agree with them! You lose!do you actually think such a union would have bore "perfect" offspring?
Yeah, God had told her what would happen...I'm thinking divorce here.When Eve sinned....what IF Adam had of rebuked her and stayed obedient to God.
Okay, so wait, I missed this, this would have been the first divorce! I'm not quite sure why I need to answer this. Why not ask Jehovah what would have happened if ADAM HAD NOT SINNED?When Eve sinned....what IF Adam had of rebuked her and stayed obedient to God. Yes, she would then eventually die within God's day....some 900 years later.
Divorce or offspring? LolHey Jehu...this is my speciality...nice try