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surfergirl

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If you are concerned about the visit Barb, you may like to try interviewing your friend on a certain topic. May I suggest that you stay with one question, or at least one question at a time. Remember, the witness view is an amalgamation of lies, built on a frail understanding of truth. For the witness, both are true because their scripture issues are taken out of context by the GB writers. Because they are out of context, the Watchtower is able to explain them coherently and with ‘fact‘. The 1914 spin is a prime example, built upon ‘days’, ‘generations’ ’wars and reports of wars…’, all of it convincing. Though you are no longer convinced, they are, and thus it is not possible to argue successfully with one that cannot and will not accept otherwise until terrorised by revelation. The best article I can think of to argue is the one of separating the wheat from the chaff and how long is that separating work going on if Christ is already ruling. Robert has mentioned it often and every time I read it, it confirms my faith in the issue. Silence and extended pauses are also useful in stopping the flow of back and forth argument. Enjoy your hour at the anvil, and if cornered by your friend you can ease yourself out of it by suggesting, “I will discuss your point with others and get back to you”. That generally let’s them off the hook and ready to take their leave. He is probably more afraid of you than you are of him. As noted by another here, because it is difficult to re-examine truths that you have held all your life. Nobody wants to know that they have been living with an adulterous partner.
Thank you, - I really liked your suggestion of interviewing, because he really loves to speak extemporaneously. He was even removed as C.O.E. because he didn't stick to script. So because of all the history, which could fill volumes,I feel there is hope. The only one I really trust in is Jehovah, at this point, but- still,I feel he will listen if I keep it very simple and heartfelt. Please pray for me to calm and steady🙏🙏
 

surfergirl

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My advice would be to remain present and not allow his defense of the GB to shake you into becoming defensive or emotional. Pray for the right words, and Jehovah will put them in your mouth. I'm sure Robert can give you a list of scriptures to help you prepare. I'd say the fewer the better. Too much, too soon could cause his eyes to glaze over. Think of a starving horse... you never allow them to eat too much at first, cause it'll kill them. JWs still worshipping the WT idol are starved of proper spiritual food at the moment, so they need to be spoon fed until properly nourished.
Thank you,- I will pray for the right words, and to keep it simple.Please pray for me,-that I do not become emotional or defensive 🙏 I don't know when it will be, but he did say 'soon'. This really means a lot to me, because he was always there for me, and now it's my turn, - and I will need so very much help. I might even make a new post about it - when the time gets closer- to ask for more support and prayers. He is a former missionary, and spoke at all the assemblies, before the lock down, - so It is intimidating to me, but I know Jehovah will help me!
 

Driven

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If you are concerned about the visit Barb, you may like to try interviewing your friend on a certain topic. May I suggest that you stay with one question, or at least one question at a time. Remember, the witness view is an amalgamation of lies, built on a frail understanding of truth. For the witness, both are true because their scripture issues are taken out of context by the GB writers. Because they are out of context, the Watchtower is able to explain them coherently and with ‘fact‘. The 1914 spin is a prime example, built upon ‘days’, ‘generations’ ’wars and reports of wars…’, all of it convincing. Though you are no longer convinced, they are, and thus it is not possible to argue successfully with one that cannot and will not accept otherwise until terrorised by revelation. The best article I can think of to argue is the one of separating the wheat from the chaff and how long is that separating work going on if Christ is already ruling. Robert has mentioned it often and every time I read it, it confirms my faith in the issue. Silence and extended pauses are also useful in stopping the flow of back and forth argument. Enjoy your hour at the anvil, and if cornered by your friend you can ease yourself out of it by suggesting, “I will discuss your point with others and get back to you”. That generally let’s them off the hook and ready to take their leave. He is probably more afraid of you than you are of him. As noted by another here, because it is difficult to re-examine truths that you have held all your life. Nobody wants to know that they have been living with an adulterous partner.
Also, Brother King has an article on a possible conversation with a brother regarding 1914 and in that article when he made a point but the brother wouldn’t admit the logic, he said something like “Well I won’t press you on that but it is something to think about”. I thought that was a good way to defuse the conversation if it starts to get heated.
 

surfergirl

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Also, Brother King has an article on a possible conversation with a brother regarding 1914 and in that article when he made a point but the brother wouldn’t admit the logic, he said something like “Well I won’t press you on that but it is something to think about”. I thought that was a good way to defuse the conversation if it starts to get heated.
Thanks -That's a very good idea, - because that actually sounds like something he, himself would say - so he would probably get a kick out of me mimicking him.
I'm rehearsing, and have been since the text I sent him about 7 mo. ago. The imaginary conversation always goes well, because he doesn't interrupt me, and make me feel inferior. - which is something I will have to ask him not to do, if we are going to talk honestly . Please pray for me to be relaxed enough for him to listen to the simple points I want to make, so that we can have a second and third discussion.
Maybe he's a PIMO and I never knew it. (wishful thinking). It's Important to me that I make my stand very clear, - so when my mental outline is pretty firm, I'll run it by you, and the others. - maybe in a few days - thanks so much for the encouragement, and support.
Please🙏🙏 pray for me to do and say things that are true, honest, and just!
I basically want to let him know that I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and not a jw dot org witness. If he can respect that - then we can discuss further. talk later,🥰. - Barb ( Surfergirl) out!
 

Carl

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Thank you,- I will pray for the right words, and to keep it simple.Please pray for me,-that I do not become emotional or defensive 🙏 I don't know when it will be, but he did say 'soon'. This really means a lot to me, because he was always there for me, and now it's my turn, - and I will need so very much help. I might even make a new post about it - when the time gets closer- to ask for more support and prayers. He is a former missionary, and spoke at all the assemblies, before the lock down, - so It is intimidating to me, but I know Jehovah will help me!
I'll definitely pray for you and everyone here to receive help opening the eyes of Jehovah's sheep. I've been able to give increasingly more complex witnesses to my son and ex-wife lately. It's as if the words are placed there by Jehovah. In the past I hammered them with information, and their eyes glazed. Thanks to current events they're finally ready to listen. I've been going to their house after work since I moved closer, and we watch old TV shows. Whenever I can inject the Truth I do so. My son then pauses the show and we discuss things. He's still fighting it, but not in a negative or defensive way. He respectfully tells me he doesn't feel the same way I do... i.e. he hasn't had that spiritual epiphany yet. I keep telling him it will happen, and that I'm only planting seeds. When the GT starts, those seeds will begin to sprout. After the 8th king begins to rule they will either grow or wither based on their heart condition. I keep telling them and others that as things begin to happen as the Bible predicted, the meek (teachable) will feel Jehovah's Holy Spirit and know what the Truth is. I told them they won't see Jesus, but instead will receive instructions via his disciples. I don't hammer them with the Truth... I spoon feed. Lately the feedings have been getting more like scoops. I can see it starting to make sense in his eyes; and for the first time, last night I saw that look in his mother's eyes. This will happen for all of us as we lead our JW family & friends to the Truth about the truth. If you can wake this elder up, imagine how many he can reach!
 

surfergirl

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I'll definitely pray for you and everyone here to receive help opening the eyes of Jehovah's sheep. I've been able to give increasingly more complex witnesses to my son and ex-wife lately. It's as if the words are placed there by Jehovah. In the past I hammered them with information, and their eyes glazed. Thanks to current events they're finally ready to listen. I've been going to their house after work since I moved closer, and we watch old TV shows. Whenever I can inject the Truth I do so. My son then pauses the show and we discuss things. He's still fighting it, but not in a negative or defensive way. He respectfully tells me he doesn't feel the same way I do... i.e. he hasn't had that spiritual epiphany yet. I keep telling him it will happen, and that I'm only planting seeds. When the GT starts, those seeds will begin to sprout. After the 8th king begins to rule they will either grow or wither based on their heart condition. I keep telling them and others that as things begin to happen as the Bible predicted, the meek (teachable) will feel Jehovah's Holy Spirit and know what the Truth is. I told them they won't see Jesus, but instead will receive instructions via his disciples. I don't hammer them with the Truth... I spoon feed. Lately the feedings have been getting more like scoops. I can see it starting to make sense in his eyes; and for the first time, last night I saw that look in his mother's eyes. This will happen for all of us as we lead our JW family & friends to the Truth about the truth. If you can wake this elder up, imagine how many he can reach!
Wonderful thought! 😊🌴🌴🌴🌴😊
 

oursfranc

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les commentaires sont excellents mais je crois que l'on s'éloigne du sujet sur l'approvisionnement qui pour certains
sont importants vu la situation actuelle
je vie en france et je pense que nous sommes en première ligne pour des événements catastrophiques à venir alors si vous pouviez continuer à nous informer sur la manière d'agir en tant de crise merci
tout mon amour fraternel
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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les commentaires sont excellents mais je crois que l'on s'éloigne du sujet sur l'approvisionnement qui pour certains
sont importants vu la situation actuelle
je vie en france et je pense que nous sommes en première ligne pour des événements catastrophiques à venir alors si vous pouviez continuer à nous informer sur la manière d'agir en tant de crise merci
tout mon amour fraternel
Qu'entendez-vous par approvisionnement ?
 

oursfranc

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par approvisionnement j'entend toutes les astuces possible et imaginable pour tenir en cas de privation par exemple
un participant nous as transmis l'idée de conserver de l'eau dans un cumulus comme réserve
ce que j'ai fait car celui çi n'était plus utilisé
voilà le genre d'idée qui m'intéresse tout en restant en plus spirituelle
merci à tous pour tout cela
 

PJ54

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I think given the insanity of agenda 2045 (the globalists putting AI replicas of there minds on spaceships blowing up the earth as a sacrifice to the devil and opening a portal near Saturn in an attempt to invade and war with heaven) the devil has somehow fooled them into thinking they could remotely pose some sort of a threat to Jehovah. 🤣
I found this video that you might find interesting.
 
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PJ54

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Australia hitting a new low with food.
 

kenmuldoon55

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This is going to sound defeatist, cowardly and over the top but I'm sadly a critical thinker. I'm not going to lie, my morale is dropping. I've had enough of this stale, cold, dead world. I've given up to the point of not even caring now, even if I am to perish in the process, I've just had enough. It makes me just want to go into a field in the middle of nowhere and scream until my voice goes hoarse.

Although I've got my equipment ready, it won't last long. We're talking about (to my guess) a global collapse, followed by global war that devolves the world into a desolate wasteland, the major nations and cities being the epicentre of it all. The first to go is Christendom, then the rest of religion, followed by religious wars, race wars and the war of the mind. Then dog eat dog amongst all communities and towns. But within all that will be the tests of faith, starvation, sacrifices, temptations and whatever system Satan has as a last ditch effort to temperately take over to exterminate all who refuse to submit to it. Absolute chaos.
Maybe Jehovahs way out for us to the new earth will be to just starve us to death during the tribulation, bloated from hunger with our tongues stuck to the roof of our mouths drinking our own urine and eating our own waste.
After all He owes us nothing.
Probably best to just consider ourselves already dead and quit making heroic preparations for survival.
Considering The thousands of years of suffering He has permitted on even good people,
I can’t see any grand Red Sea deliverance events ahead.
Perhaps He will condescend and just give us the grace to die a miserable death faithfully.
 
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BagdadBill

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Maybe Jehovahs way out for us to the new earth will be to just starve us to death during the tribulation, bloated from hunger with our tongues stuck to the roof of our mouths drinking our own urine and eating our own waste.
After all He owes us nothing.
Probably best to just consider ourselves already dead and quit making heroic preparations for survival.
Considering The thousands of years of suffering He has permitted on even good people,
I can’t see any grand Red Sea deliverance events ahead.
Perhaps just the grace to die a miserable death faithfully.
You OK brother? I know I don’t help with my doom and gloom but Im facing reality and it sounds like you are as well. Is it a sin if I thrash some of the bad people on my way out?
 

The God Pill

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2 Baruch 29

1 And He answered and said unto me: 'Whatever will then befall (will befall) the whole earth; therefore all who live will experience (them). 2 For at that time I will protect only those who are found in those self-same days in this land. 3 And it shall come to pass when all is accomplished that was to come to pass in those parts, that the Messiah shall then begin to be revealed. 4 And Behemoth shall be revealed from his place and Leviathan shall ascend from the sea, those two great monsters which I created on the fifth day of creation, and shall have kept until that time; and then they shall be for food for all that are left. 5 The earth also shall yield its fruit ten thousandfold and on each vine there shall be a thousand branches, and each branch shall produce a thousand clusters, and each cluster produce a thousand grapes, and each grape produce a cor of wine. 6 And those who have hungered shall rejoice: moreover, also, they shall behold marvels every day. 7 For winds shall go forth from before Me to bring every morning the fragrance of aromatic fruits, and at the close of the day clouds distilling the dew of health. 8 And it shall come to pass at that self-same time that the treasury of manna shall again descend from on high, and they will eat of it in those years, because these are they who have come to the consummation of time.
 
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