Can anybody verify if this is true?

kirmmy said:
Yes and it's none of anyone's business what a married couple do in bed. Again, the WBTS overstepping their bounds.
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I know right? It's so weird. They may as well tell you how to sleep at night. Laying on your back is okay, but to sleep on your side or your stomach is an abomination. Come on dude. Give me a break.
 
kirmmy said:
Yes and it's none of anyone's business what a married couple do in bed. Again, the WBTS overstepping their bounds.
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🤣Yes it is! There is a moral standard of respect for the “use” of each other, and for respect for moral hygiene as identified by Jehovah for our own direction. In other words, an obligation to each other. Clearly these apply to the couple concerned and their conscience, but the aggressor - the husband generally, needs restraint and insight. There would be a moral duty toward those “taking the lead” in the congregation because there is a responsibility to “shepherd the flock”. A skilled teacher could get the point across in much the same way as was done in biblical times when Jehovah set out the hygiene requirements for the Israelites encampment. The instruction does not need to be “intrusive” (pardon the pun), or as detailed as watchtower went to in as was referred to back in the 70’s when comment was passed one day about the watchtower “bedroom policing“. It is even more important now with the internet access available to children. I know you’re all aware of this but it’s worth the mention because ultimately, there will be outcomes to our behaviours. I apologise if I have overstepped the mark - again!
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
🤣Yes it is! There is a moral standard of respect for the “use” of each other, and for respect for moral hygiene as identified by Jehovah for our own direction. In other words, an obligation to each other. Clearly these apply to the couple concerned and their conscience, but the aggressor - the husband generally, needs restraint and insight. There would be a moral duty toward those “taking the lead” in the congregation because there is a responsibility to “shepherd the flock”. A skilled teacher could get the point across in much the same way as was done in biblical times when Jehovah set out the hygiene requirements for the Israelites encampment. The instruction does not need to be “intrusive” (pardon the pun), or as detailed as watchtower went to in as was referred to back in the 70’s when comment was passed one day about the watchtower “bedroom policing“. It is even more important now with the internet access available to children. I know you’re all aware of this but it’s worth the mention because ultimately, there will be outcomes to our behaviours. I apologise if I have overstepped the mark - again!
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I don't know. Where do you draw the line? Pants are okay for women but not lace underwear? Some stuff just seems like micromanagement if you ask me. I'm not suggesting we break out whips and wear leather, but even if a married couple wanted to break out whips and chains it's not watchtower's business. How the heck are they even supposed to enforce that? What an odd counseling session that would be.
 
Jahrule said:
I don't know. Where do you draw the line? Pants are okay for women but not lace underwear? Some stuff just seems like micromanagement if you ask me. I'm not suggesting we break out whips and wear leather, but even if a married couple wanted to break out whips and chains it's not watchtower's business. How the heck are they even supposed to enforce that? What an odd counseling session that would be.
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I have not read the watchtower article Jahrule - if it went as far underwear and that sort of issue, then I would suggest that the watchtower GB and their writing department take a very cold shower and do something constructive with their time and take up a wholesome hobby. If they do not, in the not too distant future I can see their “instructive” videos ranging into the “shock-horror“ of a brother coming home to catch his wife trying on knee length Victorian bloomers made from sacking - and rushing off to plead with the elders to save his marriage from such worldly influences.

If the level of criticism about the watchtower is now trawling the seabed of such basic scriptural commentary as how to dress, maybe we should all decide exactly what it is we want. Jehovah created man and woman stark naked. No need for clothing - everything “au naturel “, our clothing was our beauty of form. What you see is what you got. No need to dress it up. And why? Because beauty is an asset - not complete in itself. It is the mind that is ‘sexy’, creating an allure of true substance, of intellectual unity, enterprise, mutual appreciation that gives substance of meaning to Adam’s statement, ”This is at last, bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh…”, and both men and women are aware of that sensation on an intellectual plane purely through an almost instantaneous recognition of such living substance. We see it in the eye, the “critical awareness”, the presentation - it is not there in the cleavage is it? What does the female pay attention to in the mirror and spend hours attending too - the eyes. The watchtower has dropped its attention to areas below the belt. It will not find any remarkable teaching there but there is where it’s attention is at, both scripturally and mentally. Basics. Why waste one’s time trying to figure out where they will go next? It’s just no longer worth our time to trawl their minds and figure on what they are doing. On the other hand, here is a scripture a sister showed to me yesterday of truly inspirational scriptural content, meaning and encouragement. Everyone would do well to remind themselves of it today and to have a little faith in themselves. Psalm 91. And especially the last three verses. Pure inspiration for the day. This is the beauty of the mind in appreciation of the creator of all things.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I have not read the watchtower article Jahrule - if it went as far underwear and that sort of issue, then I would suggest that the watchtower GB and their writing department take a very cold shower and do something constructive with their time and take up a wholesome hobby. If they do not, in the not too distant future I can see their “instructive” videos ranging into the “shock-horror“ of a brother coming home to catch his wife trying on knee length Victorian bloomers made from sacking - and rushing off to plead with the elders to save his marriage from such worldly influences.

If the level of criticism about the watchtower is now trawling the seabed of such basic scriptural commentary as how to dress, maybe we should all decide exactly what it is we want. Jehovah created man and woman stark naked. No need for clothing - everything “au naturel “, our clothing was our beauty of form. What you see is what you got. No need to dress it up. And why? Because beauty is an asset - not complete in itself. It is the mind that is ‘sexy’, creating an allure of true substance, of intellectual unity, enterprise, mutual appreciation that gives substance of meaning to Adam’s statement, ”This is at last, bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh…”, and both men and women are aware of that sensation on an intellectual plane purely through an almost instantaneous recognition of such living substance. We see it in the eye, the “critical awareness”, the presentation - it is not there in the cleavage is it? What does the female pay attention to in the mirror and spend hours attending too - the eyes. The watchtower has dropped its attention to areas below the belt. It will not find any remarkable teaching there but there is where it’s attention is at, both scripturally and mentally. Basics. Why waste one’s time trying to figure out where they will go next? It’s just no longer worth our time to trawl their minds and figure on what they are doing. On the other hand, here is a scripture a sister showed to me yesterday of truly inspirational scriptural content, meaning and encouragement. Everyone would do well to remind themselves of it today and to have a little faith in themselves. Psalm 91. And especially the last three verses. Pure inspiration for the day. This is the beauty of the mind in appreciation of the creator of all things.
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Cómo escribió Antonio Machado: el ojo que ves no es ojo porque tú lo veas, es ojo porque te ve. Si ves a tu hermanos como lo que son, hermanos, tu mente no proyecta más allá de lo que debería. No quiero pensar lo que estos hombres que crean normas deben sentir cuando leen la descripción de la bella sulamita en El Cantar de los Cantares. Imagino sus mentes en cortocircuito permanente en todos sus capítulos. Entre esos versos tan descriptivos de la belleza sensual de la creación de Jehová está una de los textos más bonitos de las escrituras:
El Cantar de los Cantares 8:6 ”Ponme como sello sobre tu corazón, como sello sobre tu brazo; porque el amor es tan fuerte como la muerte, la insistencia en la devoción exclusiva es tan inexorable como el Seol. Sus llamaradas son las llamaradas de un fuego, la llama de Jah. 7 Las muchas aguas mismas no pueden extinguir el amor, ni pueden los ríos mismos arrollarlo. Si un hombre diera todas las cosas valiosas de su casa por el amor, las personas positivamente las despreciarían.”
 
Ana said:
Cómo escribió Antonio Machado: el ojo que ves no es ojo porque tú lo veas, es ojo porque te ve. Si ves a tu hermanos como lo que son, hermanos, tu mente no proyecta más allá de lo que debería. No quiero pensar lo que estos hombres que crean normas deben sentir cuando leen la descripción de la bella sulamita en El Cantar de los Cantares. Imagino sus mentes en cortocircuito permanente en todos sus capítulos. Entre esos versos tan descriptivos de la belleza sensual de la creación de Jehová está una de los textos más bonitos de las escrituras:
El Cantar de los Cantares 8:6 ”Ponme como sello sobre tu corazón, como sello sobre tu brazo; porque el amor es tan fuerte como la muerte, la insistencia en la devoción exclusiva es tan inexorable como el Seol. Sus llamaradas son las llamaradas de un fuego, la llama de Jah. 7 Las muchas aguas mismas no pueden extinguir el amor, ni pueden los ríos mismos arrollarlo. Si un hombre diera todas las cosas valiosas de su casa por el amor, las personas positivamente las despreciarían.”
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As Antonio Machado wrote: the eye you see is not an eye because you see it, it is an eye because it sees you. If you see your brothers as what they are, brothers, your mind does not project beyond what it should. I don't want to think what these men who create norms should feel when they read the description of the beautiful Sulamite in The Song of Songs. I imagine their minds in permanent short circuit in all their chapters. Among those verses so descriptive of the sensual beauty of Jehovah's creation is one of the most beautiful texts in the scriptures:
The Song of Songs 8:6 ”Put me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm; for love is as strong as death, insistence on exclusive devotion is as inexorable as Sheol. Their flares are the flares of a fire, the flame of Jah. 7 The many waters themselves cannot extinguish love, nor can the rivers themselves overwhelm it. If a man gave all the valuable things in his house for love, people would positively despise them.”
 
kirmmy said:
So glad I'm no longer in this Den of Wolves. Thank you Jehovah!

BTW, many, many "disfellowshipping" offences were not, if you read the Bible. I won't go into examples because many are simply conscience matters and if you have a close relationship with Jehovah, your conscience should be finely tuned and effective.

But that's how you control a cult.

Isa 29:13
For, this is what was said by the Lord:‘With their mouths, these people approach Me,And with their lips, they offer Me praise…But they’re far away from Me in their hearts.So they’re wasting their time when they bow before Me,Since they’re teaching the ideas and instructions of men!
BTW, considering the WBTS:

Isa 28:8
A curse will thereafter devour their plans;For the plans that they have are just to get rich.
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That’s what I’ve been saying.
 
Jahrule said:
Wanna know my secret? Staying busy. There's an old adage. Idol hands are tools of the devil. Technically, I stole that from Idol Hands from 1999. It's an old stoner film. It was really stupid. I loved it. Anyway... Point being, if you're just sitting around you open yourself up to temptation. Working for the railroad helps a lot. By the time I get home all I want to do is maybe have a Ranger beer and sleep. Any activity would help. Exercise. Knit a sweater. Take up a hobby. Read a book, the bible is a great option. Surround yourself with spiritual things. Pray a lot.

Yeah, all secrets come to the light. But still, don't take that as an absolute. We know very little about the apostles. All their secrets didn't get recorded. If it had the bible would have been a much larger book. We know some stuff, but Jah knows what needs to be illuminated. God still respects some degree of privacy. He knows we aren't perfect. If he ever tells my story I sure hope he leaves a lot out. Think of how the bible records history. We know some of their successes. We know some major failures, but we don't know the whole story. I'm willing to bet Paul, Mark, Luke John, Matthew, etc all had many other issues we do not know about. Trust me. Our flaws as humans are in good company. I am certain Paul didn't go on about how terrible he was for nothing. If anything we may even have less problems than they did. Keep up the good fight, my friend. Your struggles are nothing new. Okay. I'm going to bed.
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I really appreciate your post Jahrule. It is so accurate, precise and down to earth. I like that God still respects some degree of privacy. I’m sure we do things every day to offend Jehovah but at the end of the day we’re always sorry. He is more compassionate and merciful than we might think.
As far as Jehovah bringing things to light, these things will be what Jehovah knows has to be revealed. Jahrule you are a very humble and spiritual man and have appreciated so much your many heartfelt meaningful comments. I know that Jah is blessing you for sure.
 
LuisMerino9412 said:
In the 70's and 80's the Watchtower considered oral sex and anal sex as unnatural sex. It seems that they have changed. But I have always wondered that. Is there any practice inside marriage that can be considered unnatural or sinful? I also wondered if the brother or sis that spoke about this first does consider some practices as a sin.
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Personally, I believe that what a husband and wife do in the privacy of their own bedroom is nobody's business, as Ling as you're not inviting a third person to join in. Elders should not be policing the bedroom. As long as the couple is consenting and not being forced.
 
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