DID YOU KNOW THIS?

MuleJule

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Interesting, as the article stated this revision was quietly made to the elder's manual in 2019 but I have an elder relative who was unaware of it, and I would guess most witnesses are still living under threat of punishment for associating.

"The new policy implies that one must trade their “exemplary” standing in the congregation for continued association with their family members. So those who choose to avail themselves of this option will still face some community shaming."

Those outside the congregations may not realize the pressure to be "exemplary" and I can say from experience that if anyone knows you are having unnecessary association, you will be regarded as rebellious. Most aren't willing to sacrifice their reputation.
 

Jess

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I also heard recently from a full time servant that they are discontinuing the use of the word “apostate”. I have no source on it though other than 2nd hand information but thought that was interesting. Wonder what term they will use now 🧐
 
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MuleJule

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I also heard recently from a full time servant that they are discontinuing the use of the word “apostate”. I have no source on it though other than 2nd hand information but thought that was interesting. Wonder what term they will use now 🧐
That is very interesting for sure! I am curious to see what direction they are going with that.
 

MuleJule

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Wow. We never even knew. But I actually did not know that previously you could be df’d for talking with a df’d person.
I'm learning that there are some "unspoken rules" we are expected to abide by, these are not made known to the general brotherhood, and some are actually spoken only, never put in writing. I just learned of one such rule regarding those who work in the medical field and who have as their employment the task of hooking up blood transfusions.
 
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יהוה_saves

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interesting. why keep this “adjustment” concealed in a verboten manual? This is something that should be sounded from the rafters- you’d think. But really, would it make any difference? JWs often shun folks just for being different, for being non-conformist (as opposed to non-compliant).

It’s my contention that the shunning policy in its current form was never the loving provision touted by the rank/file and its leadership, rather it’s a useful tool that Watchtower wields to control criticism, information about its failures and its corruption.

Another reason for shunning is to punish the wayward JW; the оие who didn’t commit аи egregious error but peacefully walked away- this one шill be punished. They’ll say- “so and so left Jehovah” as if he was the one who initiated the shunning. oh the mind games, он тне semantics.

Shunning is so ingrained into the psyche of the average JW, perhaps it would take several public Gov Body updates to shake it loose- those deeply entrenched things of Satan.
 

Nomex

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I've had the whole gambit of bad experiences from WT. My brothers were DF'd when I was a teenager, and what they did was 100% justified for what had been done to us, my family, which the details I am not willing to go into on this forum. Suffice to say it was not pleasant and led to worse issues down the road.
 

Backtotrueworship

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Well so much for association with relatives still! They make clear your not a good example and thus not good association , which many will perceive as a bad associate and thus limit you from social events and the like , while it is a bit of a concession it is still nevertheless a hard road to travel most will see it as still non- negotiable
 

Paz

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Brilliant Paul. What gets me is I’ve just seen this post that’s a month old. Your point is that shunning has been relaxed back in 2019 and yet it’s not been known . If you check my post there are loads on disfellowshipping and why it’s apostate and shunning breaches numerous of Caesars laws. How clever they made this discreet change so they can in future claim that their shunning policies have already changed yet how many elders have noticed this change And certainly no rank and file members. Except those like ourselves who are not blinded by the propaganda, Regards P.
 
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Paz

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Hi Paul. Thanks for finding it. I wrote to gb in October 2019 explaining that shunning breaches international law and it was only a matter of time before other countries would copy Russia. I don’t think this was a response to my letter I think my letter was binned either by the gb or their office staff. Do you have any more gems of news. Take care and thanks for this revelation. Regards Paz
 
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kirmmy

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shunning breaches numerous of Caesars laws
I've got to ask what laws? AFAIK, you aren't forced to talk to even the police in this system in a "democracy". In fact, it's really good advice to not talk to the authorities if you find yourself being questioned by them. In the US you're not even compelled to testify in court. So if you don't have to talk to the authorities, even if compelledm then why do you have to talk to someone an org says is persona non grata?

What laws are you referring to?
 

Paz

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I've got to ask what laws? AFAIK, you aren't forced to talk to even the police in this system in a "democracy". In fact, it's really good advice to not talk to the authorities if you find yourself being questioned by them. In the US you're not even compelled to testify in court. So if you don't have to talk to the authorities, even if compelledm then why do you have to talk to someone an org says is persona non grata?

What laws are you referring to?
Hi Kimmy,
I agree because I am involved in the driving industry as a driving auto teacher i am registered with Department for Transport in GB . My respect for law enforcement was high but a few experences not connected with driving has lowed my estimation of The police. So your advice to not to talk is generally a good idea. The laws I am referring too in Caesars domain are all his laws most especially criminal laws. Such as theft, violent acts and abuse to children most especially sexual child abuse.
My issue with the society s policy of involvement with laws that are within Caesars domain they have encouraged elders to listen to matters relating to child abuse. If a young woman or child says ‘I’ve been abused’ the elders will get involved. Ask questions apply the 2 witness rule and nothing is done. My point is that most civil authorities have extensive experience. In U.K. we have specific police officers and social workers to care for and protect minors. The congregation elders should only care for pastoral matters , this is where elders should not get involved in any way. The minor should be seen by the appropriate authorities for their protection. Thousands of cases are before the courts all because the gb in the secret elders book have become involved With matters that are in Caesars domain. This course of action has caused major problems for elders and millions $ in payments. Jesus said ‘give Caesars things to Caesar” this interference breaches Christs command.
I am not suggesting that say a brother steals or owes $100 to another brother they go to Caesars court, they can approach the elders but they should not get involved in any way this if it did go to court would be a breach of Caesars law. If asked the elder should get them together to resolve their issue . It’s up to them to make peace the elder could offer pastoral advice on peaceful relations. Shunning is clearly covered on my website in JwQ section http://e-christ2coming.com
As you see this is an important issue for me .Christian regards P.
 
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