Exactly! The message is to them: why are you self censoring the will of God. What is the use of free speech if you will not speak. What is the point of the congregation if unity is more important than truth.
I have wondered the same thing. You said it perfectly. The longer I am on this forum it gets clearer and clearer what the Truth is and how rapidly things are leading to the real Grand Climax. Surely more than 335 people will be awake when the master arrives. .This I do wonder about also. I know Bro King mentioned about the "False Anointed".....but what about the "True Anointed"?
Which brings me to the question (I looked and now I can't find it again) but I think this forum only has about 335 members? (Plus numerous 'Guests' who for some reason or another don't sign in to contribute to our discussions)Please someone correct me if I'm wrong....but how will people like us ultimately find ALL the others that MUST be out there? Or is there even a need to do that? Are there other anointed Watchmen in different lands/languages also bringing out this information?
@Watchman Have any other truly anointed brothers or sisters ever reached out to you? If not, why not? Are you the only one doing this work?
I do appreciate all your information so far....my eyes have been opened so much in just the last month. It seems so clear to me and probably everyone else here on the forum. Just like @LifeLearning asked:
I do agree with you and the story telling dog on this. Where I am called to? It's yet unclear. What I do know is that nothing else matters much. I am usually the first to say in conversations that all religion is corrupt. The watchtower is the closest to the truth, but is itself founded in error. So where does that leave us? It would appear at the end of the age.
Imagine being on the board (GB) approving this stuff for print. Are they really that blind? I guess they are.
It's the GB that is censoring the other anointed. The Bible warned against this, but the GB are doing it anyway (Matt 20:11, 24:49). After the evil slave is exposed by Jesus, the F&DS will speak.
That's so true, especially the unity v truth and unity being more important, truth brings unity far easier than falsehood ever could..
I never did send any letters to anyone. I have done so, along with phone calls, maybe 6 times over the years, to the UK branch, the US one, concerning injustices, mostly the csa stuff, and I always received a reply, so it's not as if I haven't the "courage' to write. The reason I didn't, was because when they were on TV giving us those updates etc I could see something had changed, like they'd been taken hostage or something. I knew no way were they going to listen to anything any of the brothers and sisters said, they were doing as the world were doing, and that was that. And indeed they they didn't listen, by all accounts , many 100's of letters were written to them, full of evidence about what was going on in the world and what the injections were made of but brothers and sisters weren't even getting a reply. I wasn't surprised in the least. I really would have put my 2 cents in if I'd believed it would have made any difference..
Glad for your company here LL
Especially as the Bible tells us to meet together, and talks about the congregation etc
I wasn't being encouraged or feeling incited to good works at my kingdom hall: I have had more incitement to love and good works and encouragement from meeting here. The conversations are edifying also certain topics we discuss would not be allowed at KH for being classed as apostate. Christ's sanctuary was home with His witnesses. Dan8:11 we are on the eve of it being thrown down by Christ himself. I am blessed with much understanding thanks to studying with them: Isa1:21 before she became a prostitute she was faithful and full of justice, righteousness used to lodge in her. Psalm 36:6 'Your righteousness is like majestic mountains* (footnote: Lit...."Like mountains of God)"'. Perhaps pertaining to the symbolic mountains we are to flee?
I often think about that scripture that talks about us drinking milk and how we need to start eating meat again (or something like that) and that's how I've been feeling for about 10yrs or more, like the Org has been giving out just milk, with no meat. I know we used to moan about the Watchtower studies sometimes, because they could be quite deep but at least it got out thinking caps on and we were even allowed to refer to other stuff in the Bible, or bring out other scriptures if we felt they were applicable to what we were studying. These days I feel it's just "read this paragraph and answer this question exactly how the paragraph says, no turning left or right, no bringing in any alternative scriptures, stick with the ones cited" Bit boring really
Nomex you touch on a point that has always bothered me, in that where are these anointed? When will they ever speak up? Where is their knowledge in these critical times, and their leadership of the flock? More to the point, why do they keep silent? If there was a scriptural reason to keep silent, we would know about it, surely? Did the apostles shut their mouths ? Did the martyrs of the dark ages keep quiet - one might even ask why the bible was the first book printed at the close of the dark ages. And now, at these critical times, everyone anointed is supposed to keep silent, be “deep” in answering watchtower rhetoric and held in some awe once a year while they take of the emblems and continue to keep their mouths firmly shut in deference to the “channel” that spews out nothing but lies. Has the importance of the Word diminished somehow that no one should speak up in these days? Why do we need to leave watchtower to find the truth?
Also, that scripture you cited Mick, the whole chapter is an eye opener, talking about the faithful city and how it will become like a big tree with withering leaves and like a garden without water! Things are only starting to make sense to me now I have this "alternative" understanding of the Watchtower organisation, but I want to make sure that I'm not just using scriptures and "making them fit" this new understanding.. like the Watchtower is often accused of doing.. but I do really feel like Jehovah grabbed me and stopped me going along with the Watchtower and pointed me in another direction. I know it sounds a bit mad but that's how it feels. If I've got it all wrong, I have enough faith in Jehovah that he'll "correct" my thinkingI often think about that scripture that talks about us drinking milk and how we need to start eating meat again (or something like that) and that's how I've been feeling for about 10yrs or more, like the Org has been giving out just milk, with no meat. I know we used to moan about the Watchtower studies sometimes, because they could be quite deep but at least it got out thinking caps on and we were even allowed to refer to other stuff in the Bible, or bring out other scriptures if we felt they were applicable to what we were studying. These days I feel it's just "read this paragraph and answer this question exactly how the paragraph says, no turning left or right, no bringing in any alternative scriptures, stick with the ones cited" Bit boring really
Have you seen the number 28 Watchtower study? It's shocking, comparing themselves to Moses again. Also, they forget one thing, Moses was a good person too and I'd never have left off following him. Those that were complaining about him were thoroughly jealous of Jehovah's relationship with him. They wanted to do magic tricks too, and it just wasn't fair! Just like kids!!
Absolutely stunted, no spiritual growth. With the 1914 lie and no end of whitewash to uphold and contain it. No room for mature spiritual conversation, no challenges to the self imposed authority of Bethel. This all contributes to a stagnancy in spiritual development.I often think about that scripture that talks about us drinking milk and how we need to start eating meat again (or something like that) and that's how I've been feeling for about 10yrs or more, like the Org has been giving out just milk, with no meat. I know we used to moan about the Watchtower studies sometimes, because they could be quite deep but at least it got out thinking caps on and we were even allowed to refer to other stuff in the Bible, or bring out other scriptures if we felt they were applicable to what we were studying. These days I feel it's just "read this paragraph and answer this question exactly how the paragraph says, no turning left or right, no bringing in any alternative scriptures, stick with the ones cited" Bit boring really
No, I don’t have the magazines - are they open to read on watchtower site or do you have to be a “member” still with secret log-in? Moses was certainly favoured by Jehovah. I don’t envy those that are close to Jehovah - I have too many doubts about my own dubious qualities to envy the position of others given them by Jehovah. “Seat yourself at the lowest table“ is sound advice. There is plenty of space, no one bothers you, the food is the same as that served on the top table, and you can only ever be asked to move upward as there is no seat below yours! Although one cannot be lax about their behaviour and dedication on the bottom rung, any ‘elevation’ can only be felt to be genuinely earned and therefore not assumed upon one’s self. Something that the GB may like to contemplate for themselves.
I had never thought about watchtower study articles as being “deep”. Not from the point of arrogance, but from the fact that they were never inspirational. They lacked the “voice” of reason. It is far more likely in my opinion that you felt this too, because that is where confusion sets in when we compare the opinions of men, to the insight of Jehovah. When we read the comments here - bar those from interlopers - and the articles etc, there is always substance that requires reasoning. Watchtower only ever asked for acceptance - and there is a vast canyon of knowledge and insight between reasoning and acceptance. One has to be asleep for “acceptance” to work its charm without the authority of the Word. You’re awake now though, and already see the difference.I often think about that scripture that talks about us drinking milk and how we need to start eating meat again (or something like that) and that's how I've been feeling for about 10yrs or more, like the Org has been giving out just milk, with no meat. I know we used to moan about the Watchtower studies sometimes, because they could be quite deep but at least it got out thinking caps on and we were even allowed to refer to other stuff in the Bible, or bring out other scriptures if we felt they were applicable to what we were studying. These days I feel it's just "read this paragraph and answer this question exactly how the paragraph says, no turning left or right, no bringing in any alternative scriptures, stick with the ones cited" Bit boring really
No log in details needed, well, I've never had to log in anyway. The Watchtower study articles are in the library app under "meetings"
Years ago they were definitely deeper than today and I did learn a lot from them..I had never thought about watchtower study articles as being “deep”. Not from the point of arrogance, but from the fact that they were never inspirational. They lacked the “voice” of reason. It is far more likely in my opinion that you felt this too, because that is where confusion sets in when we compare the opinions of men, to the insight of Jehovah. When we read the comments here - bar those from interlopers - and the articles etc, there is always substance that requires reasoning. Watchtower only ever asked for acceptance - and there is a vast canyon of knowledge and insight between reasoning and acceptance. One has to be asleep for “acceptance” to work its charm without the authority of the Word. You’re awake now though, and already see the difference.