Our WT exodus confirms "Truth isn't important anymore" (to WT)

Ms_ladyblue said:
Thanks for the info. So if I get an account with Telegram whatever you post on there will be seen by anyone who wants to read it?
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Yes.. I've been in many telegram groups where people discuss how they're going to cope if they ever "need" a blood transfusion, because they only want "unvaccinated" blood. Cue me and all the "alternatives" 😃 I've had some really great experiences in telegram groups about not needing blood. Yet, it's these kind of "alternative " chat places that the org wants us to avoid.. but I feel sorry for these people, they've done the right thing by God and not been injected with mRNA but then are panicking about the future, if they're going to "need" a blood transfusion. As far as I'm concerned, these people are our "territory" and Jehovah wants us to help these people..
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
Thanks for the info. So if I get an account with Telegram whatever you post on there will be seen by anyone who wants to read it?
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No, the information will only be seen by the members that the owner allows into the account. Telegram is used by congregations, at least in our area, as well at the various departments (i.e. Parking Department) even at Regional Conventions including the International Convention in St Louis.
 
J&P said:
At that point, (following the "soft-pitch" offer), there was a considerable pause on my part as I struggled to assimilate the offer as I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was the first time during the meeting that I was caught off-guard. Meanwhile, Phyllis was also taken aback for a different reason. She thought that I might actually be giving consideration to their proposal, so she blurts out her “perfect” response to their question, “No….are you going to stop preaching about your beliefs?” They were left speechless. I was in the midst of looking up Acts 5:28,29 with the intention to read it in support of my answer. I asked if I could read a scripture that would support my answer and they adamantly refused the request. By the way, during the entire meeting, they didn’t read a single scripture. At that point, the chairman abruptly ended the meeting.

The soft-pitch proposal seemed to be more like a bribe. Keep this hush-hush and everything will end here with no repercussions. We have little doubt that the Branch and/or the C.O. was at the root of this offer. In view of the negative publicity they are receiving, we believe this “soft-pitch” is in an attempt to protect their “brand” by attempting to keep this type of information contained but, at the same time, trying to save face in front of the congregation.
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“I asked if I could read a scripture that would support my answer and they adamantly refused the request.”
Their attitude really says it all.
To the .org and its company men even the Bible has been marginalised in favor of WT “corporate” policy.
Good for you guys!
Hopefully, after examining the truthful points you laid out along with your example of standing for truth, many in your congregation will snap out of their WT induced stupor.
 
J&P said:
At that point, (following the "soft-pitch" offer), there was a considerable pause on my part as I struggled to assimilate the offer as I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was the first time during the meeting that I was caught off-guard. Meanwhile, Phyllis was also taken aback for a different reason. She thought that I might actually be giving consideration to their proposal, so she blurts out her “perfect” response to their question, “No….are you going to stop preaching about your beliefs?” They were left speechless. I was in the midst of looking up Acts 5:28,29 with the intention to read it in support of my answer. I asked if I could read a scripture that would support my answer and they adamantly refused the request. By the way, during the entire meeting, they didn’t read a single scripture. At that point, the chairman abruptly ended the meeting.

The soft-pitch proposal seemed to be more like a bribe. Keep this hush-hush and everything will end here with no repercussions. We have little doubt that the Branch and/or the C.O. was at the root of this offer. In view of the negative publicity they are receiving, we believe this “soft-pitch” is in an attempt to protect their “brand” by attempting to keep this type of information contained but, at the same time, trying to save face in front of the congregation.
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When arming myself ready for my reasons for disassociating before judiciary My bible primed with 2Thess2:3 how shocked I was when they said 'Glad you brought your bible Michael; could you please turn to 2Thess2:3! The very axis of our disparate scriptural stand was the same! Sorry for repeating this over the years.
 
MickHewitt said:
When arming myself ready for my reasons for disassociating before judiciary My bible primed with 2Thess2:3 how shocked I was when they said 'Glad you brought your bible Michael; could you please turn to 2Thess2:3! The very axis of our disparate scriptural stand was the same! Sorry for repeating this over the years.
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So they accused YOU of apostasy but you accused the org? How on earth did that pan out? It's no better than kids saying "no I didn't, yes you did"!!
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Hopefully, after examining the truthful points you laid out along with your example of standing for truth, many in your congregation will snap out of their WT induced stupor.
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Guess there is always hope. So far, a little but not much. We almost immediately received a response from a sister who quit coming to meetings about a year ago. Our son saw one of her Facebook posts that indicated she had some issues with the org. We also received a response from her husband who still goes to, at least, some meetings. He thanked us for the e-mail and said:
"his wife has been giving him the same exact information for years. It was hard to believe at first but more digging has made me think deeper about some things going on in the organization. Thank you for being a part of the solution, not the problem."

Thank you, Watchman and forum members.
(And not the least of which, Jehovah and Christ Jesus, whom we strongly feel, have been guiding us through our journey.
Too many nudges.
 
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Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
So they accused YOU of apostasy but you accused the org? How on earth did that pan out? It's no better than kids saying "no I didn't, yes you did"!!
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I brought up other points of contention: U.N affiliation, Australian Royal Commision on CSA. When I pointed to e-watchman site they scoffed...'Ha Ha e who'. I still left skipping in heart. The week before the meeting informing of my decision the elder who interestingly was omitted from the judiciary was gob smacked even answering when I said 'Judgment starts with the house of.......'
 
MickHewitt said:
When arming myself ready for my reasons for disassociating before judiciary My bible primed with 2Thess2:3 how shocked I was when they said 'Glad you brought your bible Michael; could you please turn to 2Thess2:3! The very axis of our disparate scriptural stand was the same! Sorry for repeating this over the years.
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I can believe that! Within this organization, "projection" seems to be alive and well.

Obviously, they're still missing the concept of Peter's words.
(1 Peter 4:17) . . .For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.. . .
 
MickHewitt said:
I brought up other points of contention: U.N affiliation, Australian Royal Commision on CSA. When I pointed to e-watchman site they scoffed...'Ha Ha e who'. I still left skipping in heart. The week before the meeting informing of my decision the elder who interestingly was omitted from the judiciary was gob smacked even answering when I said 'Judgment starts with the house of.......'
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They obviously haven't seen that scripture before then??!!
 
J&P said:
By midday, we received word from a congregation member that the elders instructed the friends “do not even open the email and delete it immediately”.
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I have pointed this out, but it bears repeating, this garbage above is nothing but an admission of guilt, a "confession" if you will, that they know that the friends faith is so fragile it cannot stand up to any kind of scrutiny. It is also an indictment of WT and the Elder bodies who go along with this, because although they would never admit it, but subconsciously they have to know there is something wrong with this attitude, that anyone who is this scared of what someone whom you trusted literally the day before, can no longer be trusted to even talk to them.

What ever happened to "building your faith on the rock mass"? "When ever they get on the internet it's all over with," to quote my brother and his wife. That sounds an awful lot like building your faith on sand!!!!
 
Nomex said:
What ever happened to "building your faith on the rock mass"? "When ever they get on the internet it's all over with," to quote my brother and his wife. That sounds an awful lot like building your faith on sand!!!!
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And they're very aware of this fact; thus discouraging our use of the internet.
We also think that is the main reason they threw us a soft-pitch at the hearing. An obvious attempt to SILENCE us.
Contain the fire before it has the opportunity to spread out of control.
 
J&P said:
The following evening, (after our meeting with the 2 elders),we visited with our daughter (regular pioneer and CPA remote worker) and our son-in-law (long time elder with circuit and district responsibilities including Parking Overseer at the 2019 International Convention in St Louis). We had not included them in our mass e-mailing as we preferred to reveal the information to them in person and present them with a hard copy of our letter at that time.

At the point we presented the letter, our son-in-law, revealed, to our shock, he already had a copy. He did not reveal his source and we did not press. However, it became more evident as the conversation continued. First, we learned that the circuit overseer was visiting their congregation that very week. At that point, we did not make the connection that perhaps the circuit overseer was the actual source of the information. It was only after leaving that Phyllis revealed that our son-in-law tacitly acknowledged his prior awareness of the “soft-pitch” that was to be offered to us by our elders. We were aware he had been with the C.O. earlier that day but assumed it was in the ministry. However, it appears to have involved more than just the ministry. We, also, learned that our son-in-law was already aware of e-watchman and, by means of Monday morning quarterbacking, we are pretty confident that e-watchman was part their discussion earlier that day. By the way our letter included numerous quotes from and links to e-watchman.com.
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My thinking is that they don’t want to DF you because it will cause the brothers and sisters, who know you, to start paying attention to what is going on. In other words, your actions and their response is really a witness to those who have spiritual ears.
 
Each occasion that a brother or sister takes a stand for what is true and it contradicts the GB, it creates a new crack in the “dam”. Every unexplained and sudden death and illness creates a new crack in the dam. Many other issues are creating cracks in the dam. But ultimately, it will be Jehovah who will burst the dam. One way we can show honor to those taking the lead is to trust that they will come to their senses when Jehovah corrects them. We who see the truth of the events we have witnessed and who have had our eyes opened along with a new understanding of scriptures, must be courageous and faithful and continue to tell the truth. It is actually the easiest path.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787228359350784070
 
I have thought a lot about this account in the scriptures at Luke 4:25-29. Notice that Jesus is pointing out how Jehovah rewarded non-israelites for their faith, even though they were not involved in formal worship at the temple. The ones taking the lead in Jesus day wanted to kill him for just pointing this out.

Luke 4:25-29: “For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·liʹjah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land. Yet E·liʹjah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zarʹe·phath in the land of Siʹdon. Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·liʹsha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Naʹa·man the Syrian.” Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger, and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.”
 
J&P said:
At one point in the letter, we indicated that we will probably be disfellowshipped. Then, in what was obviously an unexpected “soft-pitch”, they made the statement that if we would agree to stop and not send out any more information, everything could end here. In other words, we would not be disciplined or disfellowshipped.

We have our thoughts as to why they offered us a “soft-pitch” way out? We would like to hear what you think.
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Their "soft-pitch" way out was just a lame attempt at damage control. But I think you had already done too much damage, even in their eyes, more than they could handle. And they more than likely would have found some other reason related to this to disfellowship you for. You caused quite a ruckus I'm sure. You done real good! Probably caused many to become awake, as some probably already had doubts but now you confirmed that. They had no intention of letting you get off without counsel or disfellowshipping. I'm glad you held your ground and didn't cave in.
 
J&P said:
We have sent out an email to our JW family and friends as well the elders and members of our congregation explaining why we no longer attend meetings. The letter exposed the failings of the organization including the covid debacle, their UN affiliation, CSA, kingdom hall confiscations and problems resulting from clarifications, i.e. Jerusalem no longer representing Christendom (a comparison of WT quotes regarding F&D compared to Jesus’ statements in the scripture). This gives you an idea of what was presented.

We sent the emails out on Monday. By midday, we received word from a congregation member that the elders instructed the friends “do not even open the email and delete it immediately”. Soon afterwards, we received a text from one the elders inquiring as to whether we actually sent the email or had we been hacked? We responded, “it was us”. At that point, all “hell” broke loose.

However, there was an interesting development. The congregation has a “Telegram” account which I set up a few years ago and I am the exclusive owner of the account. Since instructions were given to the friends to delete our email, we decided to select key points from the letter and posted them on Telegram. Since I remain the sole owner, they could not do single thing about it. The only elder with permissions to delete posts and add or remove members had moved and removed himself from the account. All they could do is, likely, panic from the sideline as we posted information (along with supporting affidavits from UN, itself) about their ten year UN affiliation as a NGO.

We have had our initial mandatory “two brother fact-gathering meeting”. Needless to say, it did not go well. Their one and only concern was that we made disparaging remarks regarding the Faithful slave which was, by no means, an accurate depiction of what was contained in our letter.

Even though the first point on their instruction protocol from the “Shepherd the Flock book” was to gather the facts, the facts were really of no interest. One elder made the statement that we are not going to talk about medical direction and we’re not going to talk about politics. By the way, these were the first 2 points that we addressed in our letter. We feel we very much held our own and they were on the defense. At one point in the letter, we indicated that we will probably be disfellowshipped. Then, in what was obviously an unexpected “soft-pitch”, they made the statement that if we would agree to stop and not send out any more information, everything could end here. In other words, we would not be disciplined or disfellowshipped.

We have our thoughts as to why they offered us a “soft-pitch” way out? We would like to hear what you think.
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They are getting so many of these types of letters. Ours was 70 pages long complete with pictures.

We sent it to 13 people mostly elders. They must be getting pummeled.

Good for you on the Instagram account. That's hilarious.

All this is working. Just got a text this morning from an ex-JW friend that a JW friend of hers that didn't get the vaxx but chose to stay because she thought "this was still Jehovah's organization " no longer believes that and is leaving.

What did it for her?

The Reddit post about WT's 10-year marketing plan.

I think many saw how the GB handled the jab and didn't agree, but gave grace because it was such an unusual event.

But the recent changes at the annual meeting really shook along to the core and woke them up.
 
I think it is a good idea to use Telegram, many brothers have it.

There is all kinds of information that cannot be found anywhere else.

Telegram also has a built-in translator for all languages.

Did you try putting "vaccines Jehovah witnesses" in the telegram search engine?

There are witnesses who publish on telegram

I think that if more brothers started using Telegram they would realize the magnitude of what happened.
 
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