Peace and security - Then what?

[Watchman]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

 

[TheJehuChariot]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

I've been also meditating on whether this back n forth between USA and Putin regarding threat of nuclear catastrophe could harken a peace call. I'm curious why you feel WT would be inclined to NOT recognize the peace call if thats how it transpired. Wouldnt the leadership just say that next thing to expect is destruction of religion? Granted when sudden destruction did occur based on an unexpected nuclear attack / economic fall , etc and WW3, the leadership of WT in essence could still argue its just a continuing sign of the last days of the last days of the other lasting last days? Their arrogance has no end...

 

[PJ54]

I've been also meditating on whether this back n forth between USA and Putin regarding threat of nuclear catastrophe could harken a peace call. I'm curious why you feel WT would be inclined to NOT recognize the peace call if thats how it transpired. Wouldnt the leadership just say that next thing to expect is destruction of religion? Granted when sudden destruction did occur based on an unexpected nuclear attack / economic fall , etc and WW3, the leadership of WT in essence could still argue its just a continuing sign of the last days of the last days of the other lasting last days? Their arrogance has no end...

Considering the nature of the situation, somehow things will be spun a certain way to keep the flock in the loop. Considering yesterdays thread on the Examining the Scriptures, the pride is way too high at this rate. IMHO it might take the governments to show up armed to force the friends to make the decision. This article has might be helpful.

Has the Watchtower demonstrated it has changed?

QUESTION: I'd like to get your opinion to my question in order to help me clarify a justification I'm trying to make. When the WTBTS withdrew from being an NGO associate couldn't it be viewed as their realization they had done something wrong and were trying to rectify the situation? I know from

e-watchman.com

 

[goldie]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

I'm still one of jehovahs witnesses and I can be reasoned with! I'm certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed as regards bible prophesy or anything else for that matter, but I do have common sense and thinking ability. I will never blindly follow any man and that includes the gb. When I recognize the signal to flee, I will. I'm watching.

 

[Yupyup_yup]

Jw's have a very poor understanding of the mark of the beast

It's stunned me how they discount the jabs immediately with very little reasoning that something that was introduced into our society that prevented people from buying and selling things.. .That did not receive the jab

The mark of beast will be apart system of things and gbs will encourage its people to take it.... Most likely using video and GB updates

Because if they don't they will surely lose their 501c3
Is something they will definitely not want to give up

The society will need to encourage the receiving of the mark in order to save their finances within this system of things

They will come up with every form of manipulation to ensure that its members receive it

 

[Yupyup_yup]

That is why I am not so quick to discount that the introduction of the jab with the announcement of safe and effective isn't "the mark of the beast"

Literally to me "safe and effective" through the translation through the translation of 2000 years can definitely be peace and security

With the world wide sudden death count rising day-by-day I think things are ready in play

 

[TheJehuChariot]

Jw's have a very poor understanding of the mark of the beast

It's stunned me how they discount the jabs immediately with very little reasoning that something that was introduced into our society that prevented people from buying and selling things.. .That did not receive the jab

The mark of beast will be apart system of things and gbs will encourage its people to take it.... Most likely using video and GB updates

Because if they don't they will surely lose their 501c3
Is something they will definitely not want to give up

The society will need to encourage the receiving of the mark in order to save their finances incorporation within this system of things

They will come up with every form of manipulation to ensure that its members receive it

The vaccination is not the mark of the beast. The symbolic mark is indicative of ones heart condition and declares ones allegiance either to God Almighty and Jesus or the wild beast political entity of nations, that which He wages war against. Along with those whom wouldn't give up their spiritistic and immoral practices.

 

[SusanB]

The vaccination is not the mark of the beast. The symbolic mark is indicative of ones heart condition and declares ones allegiance either to God Almighty and Jesus or the wild beast political entity of nations, that which He wages war against.

Exactly true but I think there will be a physical mark accompanying it as well. I don’t think the vaccine is the mark but perhaps a glimpse into what it may include. Notice this scripture sounds very literal and not symbolic. It shows 3 different things you can be marked with. You could have just the mark or the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.

Revelation 13:16-17: “It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name”.

Notice this scripture describes worship as separate and in addition to the mark.

Revelation 14:9-10: “Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb”.

But I am speculating and I don’t know for sure. Yet anyway.

 

[Melinda]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

Where does the 8th King come into play and the financial collapse?

 

[Yupyup_yup]

The symbolic mark is indicative of ones heart condition and declares ones allegiance either to God Almighty and Jesus

I agree but it also is more then just a metaphorical heart condition

there will be a physical mark accompanying it as well.

I have been in business for a long time now and never once have I ever asked one of my clients what religion they are, what God they worship, or What their opinion is on world conditions Or if they complied with some mandate of the government

I always take their money because they have it and I have provided a service for them to receive it at an agreed price

For me as a business to integrate the thought that I have to approve of something that they did personally in order to sell them something

They would literally need a physical sign of approval of whatever the government regulated/mandated

Example: vaccine passport Which many received automatically once they complied with the Government mandates - Which allowed them not to lose their jobs eating restaurants purchase certain things and go on vacations and go on an airplane

All while forcing businesses to verify that these individuals who are about to make a purchase received the jab


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On another note all of this would have to take place during a time when the economy was good and people were actually still "buying and selling things"

During World War 3, and the coming famine, I'm not sure if all these things will be "Buying and selling" will still be taking place


This is the time of the end prophecy is happening all around us please do not discount anything

"my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

 

[SusanB]

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On another note all of this would have to take place during a time when the economy was good and people were actually still "buying and selling things"

During World War 3, and the coming feminine, I'm not sure if all these things will be "Buying and selling" will still be taking place

The beast that is dealt a death blow actually revives and its system no doubt is revived to some extent with it. Then, when the 8th King appears, things will somewhat normalize. I find it interesting that Brother Robert King has stated at the end of the 16th chapter of his book the following:

”Furthermore, contrary to what Jehovah’s Witnesses presently believe, the downfall of the seventh world power and the emergence of the eighth king is a sequential event. Expressed differently, the fatal stroke upon the seventh head of the beast is what gives rise to the eighth king. Moreover, the eighth king has not yet begun to rule. Since the eighth king “springs from the seven,” evidently the Anglo-American king not only breathes life into the image and commands the world to worship the image, but the seventh king also takes a back seat to his own Frankenstein-like creation.
The crash of the present governmental system will likely be followed by the imposition of a form of global communism. In that way, everyone on earth would be brought into a situation that no one could buy or sell without acknowledging the image of the beast. The “one hour” allotted to the eighth king coincides with the hour of test Jesus referred to in the third chapter of Revelation, where he promised the faithful: “Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.”
The test that is coming upon the world will force all men to demonstrate their allegiance either to Satan’s “miraculously” resuscitated political beast or to Jehovah’s kingship. That is when the angel announces to the world: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived.”

So, the way I understand it is that God’s Kingdom will be ruling simultaneously via the Chosen Ones at the same time that the 8th beast is coercing people to take the mark. All will have the free choice between God’s Rulership or Satan’s. The end result will be that the 8th King will kill the Chosen Ones but then Jehovah will execute all unfaithful ones at Armageddon. At least that is how I am understanding it.

 

[SusanB]

Where does the 8th King come into play and the financial collapse?

Hi Coinlady, Please see my quote (above) of Brother Robert King‘s book, “Jehovah Himself Has Become King, a primer for the Apocalypse”. It is my guess that what we should encourage people to do is strengthen their faith In Jehovah, in his Son, Jesus and in his word. And, they should be prepared for witnessing what appears to be success by Satan’s system. All people alive at that time will have the opportunity to demonstrate their faith.

 

[Jehovahsloyalchild]

I'm still one of jehovahs witnesses and I can be reasoned with! I'm certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed as regards bible prophesy or anything else for that matter, but I do have common sense and thinking ability. I will never blindly follow any man and that includes the gb. When I recognize the signal to flee, I will.

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

So do you think that the anointed the ones whom are in a intoxicated state So to speak whom are in a deep sleep will become awaken at the time of them say peace and Security that they will become aware of Christ's presence or imminent presence?

 

[Medi-tator]

During World War 3, and the coming feminine, I'm not sure if all these things will be "Buying and selling" will still be taking place

AOC and Pelosi would scream "SEXIST" at you for the above statement 😆 Oh, wait, you meant to say "famine" LOL

 

[PJ54]

That is why I am not so quick to discount that the introduction of the jab with the announcement of safe and effective isn't "the mark of the beast"

Literally to me "safe and effective" through the translation through the translation of 2000 years can definitely be peace of security

With the world wide sudden death count rising day-by-day I think things are ready in play

From the way things look I doubt it's the Mark of the Beast since the Beast hasn't risen to power yet. However, you can bet this was a test run & data is being gathered in order to know how the governments of the world will proceed when the Mark does become mandatory.

 

[Yupyup_yup]

From the way things look I doubt it's the Mark of the Beast since the Beast hasn't risen to power yet. However, you can bet this was a test run & data is being gathered in order to know how the governments of the world will proceed when the Mark does become mandatory.

With the world governments working lock step with the world economic form and other entities That are trying to implement a one world government

I can't prove that it hasn't risen already

Basically someone is already in control it's most definitely not the publicly known worldleaders - Because whoever is in control is already risen We just can't put a face/name to the position yet

By the way the governments are acting he's already in full control

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

Why would the watchtower not acknowledge peace and security? In their thinking, Christ has already come and surely they will use such a declaration to predict the coming storm on christendom? They twist everything.

 

[Arctic Cat]

I'm still one of jehovahs witnesses and I can be reasoned with! I'm certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed as regards bible prophesy or anything else for that matter, but I do have common sense and thinking ability. I will never blindly follow any man and that includes the gb. When I recognize the signal to flee, I will. I'm watching.

and there are very likely others like you, allthough it seem not too be many. And if any you were to voice your opinion too publicly or to the wrong person you would get a lot of trouble i think.. i used to be able to talk to my mother about certain things and ask questions.. i even had a good chat with my father a while before the last «Apostate» hysteria speech where ze Germans err.. the GB said that if anyone you know question anything about them you must not listen because »we» are evil hypocrites and apostates😅🤫

 

[Arctic Cat]

From the way things look I doubt it's the Mark of the Beast since the Beast hasn't risen to power yet. However, you can bet this was a test run & data is being gathered in order to know how the governments of the world will proceed when the Mark does become mandatory.

Yes, the apparatus is already in place, now they just wait to unleash an event of such magnitude it will force everyone to accept their solution. like the economy collapsing on top of myriads of «sideeffects» collapsing world healthcare and cherry on the cake, some nuclear fireworks to make sure nobody gets any wrong ideas at the wrong time😉

 

[White Stone]

Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.

Did you ever thought that the pronouncement of peace and security could happen after the great tribulation, then comes the armageddon? Because the pronouncement is connected to the day of the Lord or the day of Jehovah.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 NWT: “For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.”​

1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV: “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”​

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Jesus’ coming or parousia was always called like a thief in the night.