I am trying to put together, or find, a time-line with backup to prove it wasn't 607.
I think I have that but its complicated. It might take me a few days to get to it.
Yes I can appreciate it would be complex.
This isn't what I am going to look for but I will say they add 20 years to anything that is before 539 because they have inserted 20 years, they just don't know where they have inserted it. (Seriously)
"The Gentile Times Reconsidered" is what solidified it for me, that the chronology itself is wrong. It can explain what @AB said about the 20 years that Watchtower can't account for.
Thank you i will check it out.
Also known as a red herring, although I didn’t realize how much of a red herring until this post.
I have had some satisfaction in chasing my tail
I understand what you are saying. I don’t think I’ve ever been critical of anyone wanting to stay in the organization. For me it is a conscience matter and I have full confidence that each brother and sister making their own decision does so with good intent and prayer for direction. However, I have to say that when you make the above statement it doesn‘t match what I have seen as of the last few years with more and more emphasis on the cart work, which I don’t think can be described as a ”vigorous preaching campaign”. And, there are many who are POMO but still preach informally and reach out to others who are sighing and groaning over the detestable things they see going on in the org. Building each other up for the test of faith that is coming has value. So, just because someone is POMO does not mean they are sitting at home and doing nothing. If you want others to respect your conscience, you need to respect theirs as well.
I don't feel like I'm being critical, or maybe I am. I try not to be. I'm really just trying to wrap my head around it all.
This may help you Jordan:Right! Thanks!
Thank you!
I can’t remember all of the acronyms.
Hi MTS, I am just now reading your comment. Robert King has an interesting understanding of the stars that are dragged to the earth as per Revelation 12:4. Here is a quote from an article he wrote on this subject:Hi @barry, i feel there are probably many more like you than we know, me being one of them. I am still in for a variety of reasons (family, friends, spiritual focus, etc.). Yeah, agree, the core beliefs are still correct and bible-based. The study habits i've developed and research abilities (through the org and higher ed) have helped me build better comprehension of things including those omitted by the WT. I too have tried to help some friends by questioning them on certain matters, like the vax & mask usage or even talking about why dinosaurs existed. If they engage, great, if they start having a fit, i just drop the subject or deviate to something else. Perhaps, like you said, when things go down, some will be more open, maybe? So far, we've had some curious ones ask us about our health and noticing we aren't repeatedly getting covid, so there's something... help by example. I posted a thread about this already. Anyway, glad you're in a good place now.
Just a quick short experience that left a mark. Gave a talk one time and was trying to illustrate potentially how many demons Satan drags with him (Rev 12:3,4,9). Bible says a 'third of the stars'. Using 2 myriads = 200,000 as a base, that would be, 200,000 x 33% (a third) = ~66,666... (interesting number) angels that become demons. I wasn't bringing new light to any understanding, just illustrating the fact that the amount of angels that join/joined the Devil likely can be way more than just a handful. This is corroborated by Noah's time, right? So, after the talk, an elder told me, are you trying to share new understanding? Really? It was merely an illustrative point based on WT reference info. I think this experience exemplifies how some are just so closed-minded that you just can't help them break out of the WT Matrix
(reference to the movie).
Might be better to have a thread dedicated on this.
