September 23, 2023: Daniel's 1290 days and the beast system timeline

Carl

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The fact you wrote this just proves I'm in the right place at the right time, because I was just talking about this very thing the other day about how Satan is setting up a "counterfeit" of God's Kingdom and why JW's in general can and already are being fooled by the beginning of it, in large part because they do not think any of the prophecies are going to be future fulfillment, and they are therefore asleep, because they think so much has already happened.
I just replied to Robert's latest article with a similar thought.
 

Medi-tator

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This is particularly interesting to me because as I think I commented on your previous post Satan does NOT think "he's already lost." And he is counting on his ability to "impersonate an angel of light." When Jesus described the time of the end "as the days of Noah, so the days of the son of man will be", I think there is somethings that we might surmise that if we use our thinking ability may not make sense at first, but if we really believe the Bible, it should not be that hard to speculate that what i am about to say is not only possible but likely probable.

First of all I want to mention the things Jehovah has allowed...he allowed the rebellious angels to come to the earth take human wives and have hybrid offspring, wicked offspring even. And that went on for close to a thousand years. It is not obvious why after the flood they have not done that since. A friend of mine once said Jehovah does not intervene with miraculous power except to counter Satan's use of his powers.

With that in mind, it is not obvious why no one on earth listened to Noah besides his sons and their wives. I have speculated and this really isn't speculation, you had "gods" living among mankind, and certainly their sons displayed superhuman "magic" abilities as well.

Another piece to the puzzle I am about to lay out has to do with the "ancient alien" stuff in pop culture. Clearly that is the demons and back then, and i think they not only displayed great "super natural powers" but advanced technology.

I think once they are cast out of heaven, they will stage a "alien arrival" materialize bodies once again and pose as "alien saviors" for all mankind. What is the saying about history repeating itself? Perhaps they will "arrive" the "human" governments are overwhelmed with "human" conflicts...nobody listen to their "suggestions" on how to fix things, then the US falls, and then they somehow lead the "revival" of "human" governments by bringing in their "superior alien governing."

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Jehovah allowed them to pose as who knows what, for almost a thousand years prior to the flood. He stopped them becasue they were trying to stopped the Messiah from being born, who's to say he won't let them do the exact same thing they have already done, "just as the days of Noah?"
Again I entered the mind of Nomex but this time I needed a flashlight because it got a little scary in there for a minute or two. Can't we just go back to the way the WT explains it to their flock and watch the GT on Fox News while we rock back and forth in our Bark-a-Lounger chairs while scarfing on popcorn? Or maybe a solid supply of Valium will get me through this oncoming mayhem that, in all reality Nomex, sounds completely plausible considering we are dealing with STD (Satan The Devil). I guess nothing comes easy anymore eh? LOL Nap time is officially over!! This stuff you guys are coming up with is adding mustard to the hotdog!
 

kenmuldoon55

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This is particularly interesting to me because as I think I commented on your previous post Satan does NOT think "he's already lost." And he is counting on his ability to "impersonate an angel of light." When Jesus described the time of the end "as the days of Noah, so the days of the son of man will be", I think there is somethings that we might surmise that if we use our thinking ability may not make sense at first, but if we really believe the Bible, it should not be that hard to speculate that what i am about to say is not only possible but likely probable.

First of all I want to mention the things Jehovah has allowed...he allowed the rebellious angels to come to the earth take human wives and have hybrid offspring, wicked offspring even. And that went on for close to a thousand years. It is not obvious why after the flood they have not done that since. A friend of mine once said Jehovah does not intervene with miraculous power except to counter Satan's use of his powers.

With that in mind, it is not obvious why no one on earth listened to Noah besides his sons and their wives. I have speculated and this really isn't speculation, you had "gods" living among mankind, and certainly their sons displayed superhuman "magic" abilities as well.

Another piece to the puzzle I am about to lay out has to do with the "ancient alien" stuff in pop culture. Clearly that is the demons and back then, and i think they not only displayed great "super natural powers" but advanced technology.

I think once they are cast out of heaven, they will stage a "alien arrival" materialize bodies once again and pose as "alien saviors" for all mankind. What is the saying about history repeating itself? Perhaps they will "arrive" the "human" governments are overwhelmed with "human" conflicts...nobody listen to their "suggestions" on how to fix things, then the US falls, and then they somehow lead the "revival" of "human" governments by bringing in their "superior alien governing."

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Jehovah allowed them to pose as who knows what, for almost a thousand years prior to the flood. He stopped them becasue they were trying to stopped the Messiah from being born, who's to say he won't let them do the exact same thing they have already done, "just as the days of Noah?"
“Just as in the days of Noah”.
That seems plausible Nomex.
The exact manner in which the eighth king miraculously comes to power isn’t revealed but surviving mankind so readily giving their worshipful admiration to him seems to indicate he won’t be just an ordinary human.
 

BillyRay

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This is particularly interesting to me because as I think I commented on your previous post Satan does NOT think "he's already lost." And he is counting on his ability to "impersonate an angel of light." When Jesus described the time of the end "as the days of Noah, so the days of the son of man will be", I think there is somethings that we might surmise that if we use our thinking ability may not make sense at first, but if we really believe the Bible, it should not be that hard to speculate that what i am about to say is not only possible but likely probable.

First of all I want to mention the things Jehovah has allowed...he allowed the rebellious angels to come to the earth take human wives and have hybrid offspring, wicked offspring even. And that went on for close to a thousand years. It is not obvious why after the flood they have not done that since. A friend of mine once said Jehovah does not intervene with miraculous power except to counter Satan's use of his powers.

With that in mind, it is not obvious why no one on earth listened to Noah besides his sons and their wives. I have speculated and this really isn't speculation, you had "gods" living among mankind, and certainly their sons displayed superhuman "magic" abilities as well.

Another piece to the puzzle I am about to lay out has to do with the "ancient alien" stuff in pop culture. Clearly that is the demons and back then, and i think they not only displayed great "super natural powers" but advanced technology.

I think once they are cast out of heaven, they will stage a "alien arrival" materialize bodies once again and pose as "alien saviors" for all mankind. What is the saying about history repeating itself? Perhaps they will "arrive" the "human" governments are overwhelmed with "human" conflicts...nobody listen to their "suggestions" on how to fix things, then the US falls, and then they somehow lead the "revival" of "human" governments by bringing in their "superior alien governing."

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Jehovah allowed them to pose as who knows what, for almost a thousand years prior to the flood. He stopped them becasue they were trying to stopped the Messiah from being born, who's to say he won't let them do the exact same thing they have already done, "just as the days of Noah?"
Fascinating comment, Nomex. Something I had never considered.

Edit: After the GT, which are humans more likely to follow? Another government created by man? Or one led by benevolent aliens, sent here to save mankind? 👽
 
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BillyRay

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Fascinating comment, Nomex. Something I had never considered.

Edit: After the GT, which are humans more likely to follow? Another government created by man? Or one led by benevolent aliens, sent here to save mankind? 👽. Edit 2: JW’s would be able to immediately identify aliens as being…. Well…. Not aliens.
 

David1982

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As admirable as your research and suppositions are, the cold hard facts are written here:
36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone.
Matthew 24:36

This is not what I understand from Daniel's prophecy. It's true that we have zero temporal indications for many aspects of end times prophecy, like the time of Christ's presence and of his judgment upon the world, that you mentioned.

But for the prophecy of Daniel 12, it's different. Turning point events are indicated to help us identify a prophetic marker, not of the end, but of the beginning of a crazy era in human history, that will bring unprecedented hardship and transformation. Jehovah wouldn't have provided this very precise marker if it was impossible or unimportant for us to understand and identify it.
The angel told Daniel that the understanding of his words would eventually be unsealed, and among the people living then "those having insight will understand". "Many will go here and there to increase knowledge." (Daniel 12:4, NIV)

Whether that understanding happens before the events or in retrospect, how one is supposed to be blessed with insight and understanding from God, throwing up one's hands and saying "Nobody can know"?
I would rather try and be wrong, like many others before me, than not even attempt to make sense of it.

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Thank you for helping me, we can't address all the super taboos of JWs at once :)

Yes it seems very unlikely that decades of alien programming for the masses are destined to remain a sideshow.
What false Christ could mesmerize the world more than a supernatural source of "wisdom"? What would give more power and authority to the reborn beast than the backing of out of this world knowledge and technology?

I often think about the pre-diluvian world too, about how these people must have been totally under the spell of these gods in human form, the "Ancient Architects" and the mind-boggling technology and masonry skills they offered to the world.

The post-tribulation world will be a totally different place. It's very hard to make conjectures about what will happen then based on what we know today.
 

Nomex

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Yes it seems very unlikely that decades of alien programming for the masses are destined to remain a sideshow.
What false Christ could mesmerize the world more than a supernatural source of "wisdom"? What would give more power and authority to the reborn beast than the backing of out of this world knowledge and technology?

I often think about the pre-diluvian world too, about how these people must have been totally under the spell of these gods in human form, the "Ancient Architects" and the mind-boggling technology and masonry skills they offered to the world.

The post-tribulation world will be a totally different place. It's very hard to make conjectures about what will happen then based on what we know today.
Bingo...I think what lies ahead is predictable if we use what we already know. First of all the bible says almost nothing about the pre-flood era. And as much as some like the Book of Enoch and other apocryphal books, they just read to me like pure nonsense. Although those books probably have some oral history that was passed down, they are not "inspired books" of the Bible.

But I do think it goes without saying, that the demons brought with them while on the earth not only their abilities to wield supernatural powers, but their advanced intellect that mankind has yet to learn. I also think Jehovah brought the flood to wipe out that advanced premature technologies that the demons brought to mankind. As I said they cheated. But I think they are going to do the same thing again, but as they did in the past, deceive mankind, but this time they will pose as "Aliens".

I don't know if you know much about the back story to the "Alien" movie and movies, but this "Ancient Alien" idea is built in to the story line, and it has an element of the Scientology demonic religion as well. "Prometheus" really delves into it, but it's all kind of left unsaid, but the "Aliens" who "created" mankind are giant "Nephilim" type Aliens with advanced ancient technologies. And there was a creature in the first "Alien" film, I think they called it the "Navigator" that was a giant Nephilim Alien also.

In any case, these things I would all call "inspired expressions of demons"...they are letting those with ears to hear what they are up to. And like the mathematical equation that they cannot ignore, I think there is also a "binding" like "disclosure" they are bound too by the "legal case" Satan brought up when he challenged God's sovereignty. I think this is why they love all their symbols, and why it's all over the place. They are bound by a legal contract to reveal what they are about and up to, but it takes "discernment" to understand it but also a willingness to search it out. They know most will not have discernment or search out the truth of what's going on. And unfortunately, it's proving true of JW's as well.

In any case back to the fact the demons will be cast down to the earth and won't have anything left to do but their last ditch effort to set up a counterfeit of God's Kingdom, that "deceives if possible even the chosen ones" that sounds like something that will be so convincing so supernatural in nature, that only the most discerning persons will not be fooled. Again I go back to why did only 8 souls get into that ark? Yes you are absolutely right, they were under the spell of "gods in human form" who could display their power at demand, and surely those arrogant demons did just that. Just look at what the "magic practicing priests" were able to do when Moses went to Egypt, they were able to make their staffs into snakes just like Moses did. And that was after the flood, and apparently Jehovah did not restrict them prior to the flood, so I say again, who knows what they were doing?

I think it's safe to say, they will display incredible feats of wonder both of knowledge of advanced technologies and of "magic" or supernatural abilities. I think whatever restrictions Jehovah has put on them will be lifted, and perhaps that intoxication of their power is what leads them to do the one thing that ends them, kill the remnant of anointed. As my Dad used to say, "we live in thrilling times." yet he didn't know the half of it.
 

David1982

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Daniel 12:11 is interesting and your commentary is interesting. However, when researching other translations and versions it does appear there is some confusion as to whether the 1,290 days is the time period from the removal of the constant feature to the disgusting thing being put in place. Some translations/versions say the 1,290 starts when those 2 things coincide. Do you have any more research to clarify that verse? The other question I have is that in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, ”those in Judea” are told to flee when they “catch sight” of the disgusting thing. So, I am also not clear that we must wait for the disgusting thing to actually be put into place.

Also, my first inclination is that the 1,335 days and the 1,290 days actually overlap, but I’m not certain. Very interesting subject. I’d like to hear more commentary on this.

Thank you for bringing up that point. There's always some part of personal interpretation and intuition in our understanding of any biblical verse.
From what I understand, all translations of Daniel 12:11 have something in common. They describe a process, that sees the removal of the constant feature and the appearance of the disgusting thing, and that process lasts 1290 days.
Now some translations seem to imply that the appearance of the disgusting thing happens right at the start of that period, and others at the end. See what Daniel 11:33 tells us:
"And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.
And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
"

"Arms" from the King of the North will remove the constant feature. Since it is possible to give an exact number of days starting from that event, it has to be completed within a single day. So there are two options: either the disgusting thing is fully established during that same day, or its appearance is a longer term process, started by that initial act of desecration, and the profanation of the sanctuary, but only fully completed by the end of the 1290 days. For me it's the latter, and that completion will be made visible to the world with a very symbolic event, the birth of a new global political apparatus, as the "first coming" of the wild beast.

As for the 1335-day period, we are not provided with any indication of its start or end, only its duration. If it overlaps with the previous period, by how much? The full period or only part of it? If it's the full period, why not just mention that there will be an extra 45 days?
In that case, mentioning 1335 days would be needlessly confusing. That's why to me the most logical explanation is of a distinct period of 1335 days. That could be contiguous to the previous one, but not necessarily.
 

BillyRay

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This is one of the reasons I love this site…. When reading, it’s natural for me to question things. One that was raised in this thread is:

If the prophetically pictured “great crowd” COMES OUT of the great tribulation…. And is standing before the throne and the Lamb dressed in their white robes….

AND If the authoritarian 8th King comes to power AFTER the great tribulation….

And the authoritarian 8th King kills some of those - who came out of the great tribulation - for refusing to bow to the 8th King because they support Christs rule….

How can it be said that those who came out of the great tribulation were ever standing before the throne and the Lamb, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne,i and to the Lamb.” if they are dead?
 

SusanB

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Thank you for bringing up that point. There's always some part of personal interpretation and intuition in our understanding of any biblical verse.
From what I understand, all translations of Daniel 12:11 have something in common. They describe a process, that sees the removal of the constant feature and the appearance of the disgusting thing, and that process lasts 1290 days.
Now some translations seem to imply that the appearance of the disgusting thing happens right at the start of that period, and others at the end. See what Daniel 11:33 tells us:
"And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.
And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
"

"Arms" from the King of the North will remove the constant feature. Since it is possible to give an exact number of days starting from that event, it has to be completed within a single day. So there are two options: either the disgusting thing is fully established during that same day, or its appearance is a longer term process, started by that initial act of desecration, and the profanation of the sanctuary, but only fully completed by the end of the 1290 days. For me it's the latter, and that completion will be made visible to the world with a very symbolic event, the birth of a new global political apparatus, as the "first coming" of the wild beast.

As for the 1335-day period, we are not provided with any indication of its start or end, only its duration. If it overlaps with the previous period, by how much? The full period or only part of it? If it's the full period, why not just mention that there will be an extra 45 days?
In that case, mentioning 1335 days would be needlessly confusing. That's why to me the most logical explanation is of a distinct period of 1335 days. That could be contiguous to the previous one, but not necessarily.
God willing, we will find out. Thank you.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Reading your posts about possible interpretations of end times prophecy, I wanted to share something I noticed putting side to side the global elites' timeline with prophetic durations provided in the Bible. Even as the god of this system, Satan doesn't have the final say in the overall chronology of our times, and he has to work within the calendar authorized by God. However, within that timeframe he has devised a schedule of his own, built on numerological symbolism, that his human agents revere and follow religiously while working to bring to life his grand plan.
The events leading to the final takeover of the wild beast are not happening at random, they are all scripted and orchestrated along that timeline. As if Satan wanted to conceal his deceit and malevolence, by wrapping them in the mathematical perfection that Jehovah created. The use of numbers and symbols allows his elites to disclose their plans in broad daylight, as required by their creed, while knowing that only a tiny number of people will be able to "break the code", and understand what lies behind the symbols.


The beast system timeline

As you all know, the upside down world we're living in is the consequence of a conflict between two protagonists. Symbolized as the Lamb and the Dragon in the book of Revelation, they are contending for the Earth's dominion. Satan's ultimate goal is to win every single human heart to his side, before Jesus intervenes to claim his property, by establishing a global rule mimicking and rivalling Christ's kingdom. Any reasonable person wishes to see the end of madness and suffering on Earth. How would they react after the great tribulation, when Satan impersonates an angel of light and provides that relief to mankind, through a "friendly" yet authoritarian global political system? This predicament doesn't appear anywhere in the WT narrative.

Satan can't create the kind of world that Christ's rule will bring, but he can do much better than the crazy mess we have today. Because he can't withstand an honest spiritual scrutiny before Jehovah, he has to manipulate us, and trick, overwhelm our emotions. Cause tremendous madness and hardship with one hand, and remove it with the other, leading humans to go where he wants them to go. This is what Revelation 13 describes, a rule of emotion over a mesmerized humanity. As I tried to convey in my eighth king post a couple of months ago, Satan's masterpiece is not the genocidal NWO/UN we have today, but its perfect antidote yet to appear.

The development of Satan's beast follows a chronology embedded into a reverse timeline, a countdown, defined by mathematical series. It is unmistakable to someone familiar with that language, the language of numbers. Over my lifetime however, I came to realize that what seemed obvious to many people of Jewish ancestry like myself, wasn't for everybody else. I guess it all becomes easier to figure out, when your brain is more or less wired like the kabbalists running the show...
It would take another long post to provide a thorough explanation of the maths shaping the timeline, and I'm not sure it belongs here. I understand that some of you might be uncomfortable with this kind of information, and would rather not know. I have to admit, it changes your outlook on life and on the future.

However, for a reason you will understand below, I wanted to bring your attention to one date in particular, a very symbolic one and a turning point in the program: Saturday, September 23, 2023. Because of its unique numerological signature, its position in the timeline, and hints from the elites' predictive programming, I had been expecting for some time that that date would see the wild beast come to life. Not rise to absolute power yet, only appear on the world's scene. As a consequence, the months or years prior would see its "birth pangs": instability, insanity and turmoil, as the controlled demolition of the old order and of its now obsolete anglo-american head would be in full swing.

As luciferians are obsessed with the coming together of opposite principles, what better day for the "benevolent" counterpart to the evil NWO to appear than the equinox, when light and darkness, day and night are in balance? But that happens every year. What makes that particular equinox unique is its position in the timeline, opening the final cycle while intersecting the date matching its master number...
The symbolism of that day as a day of positive change and spiritual rebirth for humanity was also "prophesied" 11 years prior, through a bizarre event: the global Jewish prayer for the return of the Messiah.


Daniel's 1290 days

So what does all this kabbalist nonsense have to do with biblical prophecy? In the final words of his prophetic book, an angel informed Daniel of two periods of days he could not figure out, that would determine end times events. The NWT says: "And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days." (Daniel 12:11)
This notion of constant feature is not very clear, to me at least, other translations speak about daily or regular sacrifice, like the NWT in French or the Contemporary English Version: "There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time that the daily sacrifices are stopped, until someone sets up the “Horrible Thing” that causes destruction."

When the WT organization decided to suspend public worship globally, it immediately looked to me that the first half of this huge prophetic marker had happened. Much later, after the infamous update 6, I found Robert's site, and that he had written the same.
Of course, some would say that worship continued on Zoom. But from the perspective of someone outside the organization, it's like Jehovah's Witnesses had vanished from the face of the earth. The door-to-door, global public preaching work that we were famous for was stopped overnight and everywhere. Two years later, kingdom and assembly hall meetings still haven't resumed, at least nothing like they used to be.
It’s an interesting hypothesis. I recall the lead-up to 1975 being ‘evidenced‘ to the same degree - if not better, for those asleep and which seemed to be critical for its success. The psychological tension beforehand, the build up, the mysticism, the signs, the reasoning and emotive issues were just the same and I recall it well. When I left the witnesses, I found my reliance on the bible and my intrigue of the natural world always paid dividends in terms of faith, and from it, I learnt one very basic and essential need if we are to gain a spiritual balance and stay on the path when searching for truth. That is of course so, in all teaching throughout the bible. For millions of witnesses in 1975, they learnt a salutary lesson. Mathew 24.36 reads: “But about that day, no one knows the day, nor the hour..even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father…”. It was said here recently that the scripture does not apply to the year, but that really is not worthy of any credibility. If the year was known, that is enough to rob the need for faith beyond any value it may have, and for the same reason. That much was echoed by Jesus with regard to the destruction of Jerusalem. The date of Jesus’ coming is not known for a reason, and the reason for not knowing is clear. It is allow for faith, and faith requires loyalty and loyalty demands love. If we have this, then the date of coming is immaterial. If we know the date, then there is no value to faith, and as a result, hope suffers. It’s not about time and when, or if. Just faith.
 

LuisMerino9412

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This is particularly interesting to me because as I think I commented on your previous post Satan does NOT think "he's already lost." And he is counting on his ability to "impersonate an angel of light." When Jesus described the time of the end "as the days of Noah, so the days of the son of man will be", I think there is somethings that we might surmise that if we use our thinking ability may not make sense at first, but if we really believe the Bible, it should not be that hard to speculate that what i am about to say is not only possible but likely probable.

First of all I want to mention the things Jehovah has allowed...he allowed the rebellious angels to come to the earth take human wives and have hybrid offspring, wicked offspring even. And that went on for close to a thousand years. It is not obvious why after the flood they have not done that since. A friend of mine once said Jehovah does not intervene with miraculous power except to counter Satan's use of his powers.

With that in mind, it is not obvious why no one on earth listened to Noah besides his sons and their wives. I have speculated and this really isn't speculation, you had "gods" living among mankind, and certainly their sons displayed superhuman "magic" abilities as well.

Another piece to the puzzle I am about to lay out has to do with the "ancient alien" stuff in pop culture. Clearly that is the demons and back then, and i think they not only displayed great "super natural powers" but advanced technology.

I think once they are cast out of heaven, they will stage a "alien arrival" materialize bodies once again and pose as "alien saviors" for all mankind. What is the saying about history repeating itself? Perhaps they will "arrive" the "human" governments are overwhelmed with "human" conflicts...nobody listen to their "suggestions" on how to fix things, then the US falls, and then they somehow lead the "revival" of "human" governments by bringing in their "superior alien governing."

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Jehovah allowed them to pose as who knows what, for almost a thousand years prior to the flood. He stopped them becasue they were trying to stopped the Messiah from being born, who's to say he won't let them do the exact same thing they have already done, "just as the days of Noah?"
They are not allowed to adopt physical bodies since then or at least that's what we think. We do not know but they cannot certainly do the same things they did before the Deluge. The Bible is very clear saying that they have chains upon them and that they have been thrown to the Tartarus to a deep darkness, so no doubt that does not allow them to do several things they could do before the Deluge many years ago. But the worst if that they do not even need that. They are very intelligent and cunning creatures. Remember they can make people see things like they were true. I do believe there might be a deceptive alien invasion, but that will not necessarily mean that they will adopt physical bodies. They are certainly very clever and intelligent as I said, so they do not need that even if they could. They must have better ways to deceive mankind. They have certainly studied us for centuries and know a lot about us and how we can be tricked or mislead. So, we might expect literally anything from them now that they are in chains in order to deceive and show themselves as the saviors of mankind in that critical and horrible moment. Take into account that they will also be very angry and desperate to give their final strike to show that they are right. Because remember what is all this about: trying to show that they are right and that they can govern the world better than Jehovah and that mankind will be better without His instruction and sovereignty. They must be waiting for that moment because in their minds that will be one of their last chances to save their lives and proof that they have been right and that Jehovah in His impartially might forgive their lives if they show that they have been right. We all know that all this is not right and that all that will end horribly bad, but that's what they might believe and when someone is doomed, that person tries to do anything to save his life until the end. We must also take into account that they might truly believe that they will be successful at the end, maybe thinking about their "success" in previous moments. They believe a lot in themselves. They are very proud. But it's horrible and sad that they are even deceiving themselves. So, we can expect literally anything from them to save their lives, to show they are right and to save his NWO from its destruction by Jehovah God and Jesus. Maybe with all the technology about holograms and all of that they might "show" themselves in some way or deliver a message to mankind with the technology we have. And even if that will include an alien invasion or not, that truly will be something huge... It will lead the whole world to worship Satan. That has never happened before and taking into account that most people do not like that or don't care or hate him or do not even believe in that (although that's changing lately like a preparation for that), then we can conclude that what they are preparing will be huge and will have repercussions all over the world leading people to a suicidal decision putting themselves completely against Jehovah God and Jesus and fighting with his god and beast showing no repent until (or not even before) the bitter end at Armageddon.
 
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kirmmy

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This is particularly interesting to me because as I think I commented on your previous post Satan does NOT think "he's already lost." And he is counting on his ability to "impersonate an angel of light." When Jesus described the time of the end "as the days of Noah, so the days of the son of man will be", I think there is somethings that we might surmise that if we use our thinking ability may not make sense at first, but if we really believe the Bible, it should not be that hard to speculate that what i am about to say is not only possible but likely probable.

First of all I want to mention the things Jehovah has allowed...he allowed the rebellious angels to come to the earth take human wives and have hybrid offspring, wicked offspring even. And that went on for close to a thousand years. It is not obvious why after the flood they have not done that since. A friend of mine once said Jehovah does not intervene with miraculous power except to counter Satan's use of his powers.

With that in mind, it is not obvious why no one on earth listened to Noah besides his sons and their wives. I have speculated and this really isn't speculation, you had "gods" living among mankind, and certainly their sons displayed superhuman "magic" abilities as well.

Another piece to the puzzle I am about to lay out has to do with the "ancient alien" stuff in pop culture. Clearly that is the demons and back then, and i think they not only displayed great "super natural powers" but advanced technology.

I think once they are cast out of heaven, they will stage a "alien arrival" materialize bodies once again and pose as "alien saviors" for all mankind. What is the saying about history repeating itself? Perhaps they will "arrive" the "human" governments are overwhelmed with "human" conflicts...nobody listen to their "suggestions" on how to fix things, then the US falls, and then they somehow lead the "revival" of "human" governments by bringing in their "superior alien governing."

In any case I have thought for a long time in large part that all the "alien space ship sightings" abductions etc, have a larger part in their end game agenda...and then the last few years with the "ancient alien" garbage being pushed, and it all makes sense. They are after all aliens, since "alien" in this sense just means not from earth.

Jehovah allowed them to pose as who knows what, for almost a thousand years prior to the flood. He stopped them becasue they were trying to stopped the Messiah from being born, who's to say he won't let them do the exact same thing they have already done, "just as the days of Noah?"
I believe those demons were prohibited from taking human form anymore:

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell [tartarus] and delivered them into chains of darkness reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example in those who afterward would live ungodly - 2 Peter 2:4-6

and

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home - these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day - Jude 6

But that doesn't mean that they won't be released by God, of course. Satan may demand it so that he can thoroughly sift the anointed.
 

kirmmy

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I just replied to Robert's latest article with a similar thought.
I read that comment and I had to go out right after so I couldn't tell you in disqus how great that comment was. You're knocking 'em dead with logic and clear spiritual thinking Carl. I thought about what you wrote over a couple of nights. It was very deep and made 100% sense.

You know with so many clear, spiritual thinkers here I'm beginning to doubt we'll see a scenario that hasn't been war-gamed in this forum. Maybe that's by Jehovah's blessing and Holy Spirit?
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I don't think it's the time yet. Even the elite knows they have still some work to do before all their plans become a reality. We do not know, but I see throughout the Bible that Jehovah God only acts when a civilization is extremely wicked or evil and the good ones have already been chosen to be saved. There are truly wicked people now, but there are still very good people. People with a really good heart. If Jehovah wouldn't have destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah if he had found at least 10 good people, I don't think that he would act now immediately. I feel it close too, very close too, like breathing on my neck. Haha But I don't think it's the time yet. Furthermore, there has not been a cry for peace and security and the first strike given by the king of the south. I don't know, but I think there are at least still some years left, maybe not but, we do not know haha. As I said, we do not know haha nobody knows the day or hour, but I think that many good people must dissappear or at least change to bad in order for that to be horrible and that to come. But I hope it comes very soon. I'm tired of this, for real, extremely tired :'( :/ :'(. I hope this ends very soon...
Although I know there are many good people and there are wicked people as well but if you’re saying most of the good people must disappear what about the “great crowd“ that comes out of the great tribulation? They are no doubt a great crowd of good people who won’t disappear….
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Again I entered the mind of Nomex but this time I needed a flashlight because it got a little scary in there for a minute or two. Can't we just go back to the way the WT explains it to their flock and watch the GT on Fox News while we rock back and forth in our Bark-a-Lounger chairs while scarfing on popcorn? Or maybe a solid supply of Valium will get me through this oncoming mayhem that, in all reality Nomex, sounds completely plausible considering we are dealing with STD (Satan The Devil). I guess nothing comes easy anymore eh? LOL Nap time is officially over!! This stuff you guys are coming up with is adding mustard to the hotdog!
😂🤣😂Medi-tator I can’t stop laughing at your comment!!! I’m sitting here by myself uncontrollably laughing and can’t stop!!! 😂🤣 But…Really, I needed that! And these comments in this thread have been very interesting and insightful. 😅
 
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Paz

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Reading your posts about possible interpretations of end times prophecy, I wanted to share something I noticed putting side to side the global elites' timeline with prophetic durations provided in the Bible. Even as the god of this system, Satan doesn't have the final say in the overall chronology of our times, and he has to work within the calendar authorized by God. However, within that timeframe he has devised a schedule of his own, built on numerological symbolism, that his human agents revere and follow religiously while working to bring to life his grand plan.
The events leading to the final takeover of the wild beast are not happening at random, they are all scripted and orchestrated along that timeline. As if Satan wanted to conceal his deceit and malevolence, by wrapping them in the mathematical perfection that Jehovah created. The use of numbers and symbols allows his elites to disclose their plans in broad daylight, as required by their creed, while knowing that only a tiny number of people will be able to "break the code", and understand what lies behind the symbols.


The beast system timeline

As you all know, the upside down world we're living in is the consequence of a conflict between two protagonists. Symbolized as the Lamb and the Dragon in the book of Revelation, they are contending for the Earth's dominion. Satan's ultimate goal is to win every single human heart to his side, before Jesus intervenes to claim his property, by establishing a global rule mimicking and rivalling Christ's kingdom. Any reasonable person wishes to see the end of madness and suffering on Earth. How would they react after the great tribulation, when Satan impersonates an angel of light and provides that relief to mankind, through a "friendly" yet authoritarian global political system? This predicament doesn't appear anywhere in the WT narrative.

Satan can't create the kind of world that Christ's rule will bring, but he can do much better than the crazy mess we have today. Because he can't withstand an honest spiritual scrutiny before Jehovah, he has to manipulate us, and trick, overwhelm our emotions. Cause tremendous madness and hardship with one hand, and remove it with the other, leading humans to go where he wants them to go. This is what Revelation 13 describes, a rule of emotion over a mesmerized humanity. As I tried to convey in my eighth king post a couple of months ago, Satan's masterpiece is not the genocidal NWO/UN we have today, but its perfect antidote yet to appear.

The development of Satan's beast follows a chronology embedded into a reverse timeline, a countdown, defined by mathematical series. It is unmistakable to someone familiar with that language, the language of numbers. Over my lifetime however, I came to realize that what seemed obvious to many people of Jewish ancestry like myself, wasn't for everybody else. I guess it all becomes easier to figure out, when your brain is more or less wired like the kabbalists running the show...
It would take another long post to provide a thorough explanation of the maths shaping the timeline, and I'm not sure it belongs here. I understand that some of you might be uncomfortable with this kind of information, and would rather not know. I have to admit, it changes your outlook on life and on the future.

However, for a reason you will understand below, I wanted to bring your attention to one date in particular, a very symbolic one and a turning point in the program: Saturday, September 23, 2023. Because of its unique numerological signature, its position in the timeline, and hints from the elites' predictive programming, I had been expecting for some time that that date would see the wild beast come to life. Not rise to absolute power yet, only appear on the world's scene. As a consequence, the months or years prior would see its "birth pangs": instability, insanity and turmoil, as the controlled demolition of the old order and of its now obsolete anglo-american head would be in full swing.

As luciferians are obsessed with the coming together of opposite principles, what better day for the "benevolent" counterpart to the evil NWO to appear than the equinox, when light and darkness, day and night are in balance? But that happens every year. What makes that particular equinox unique is its position in the timeline, opening the final cycle while intersecting the date matching its master number...
The symbolism of that day as a day of positive change and spiritual rebirth for humanity was also "prophesied" 11 years prior, through a bizarre event: the global Jewish prayer for the return of the Messiah.


Daniel's 1290 days

So what does all this kabbalist nonsense have to do with biblical prophecy? In the final words of his prophetic book, an angel informed Daniel of two periods of days he could not figure out, that would determine end times events. The NWT says: "And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days." (Daniel 12:11)
This notion of constant feature is not very clear, to me at least, other translations speak about daily or regular sacrifice, like the NWT in French or the Contemporary English Version: "There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time that the daily sacrifices are stopped, until someone sets up the “Horrible Thing” that causes destruction."

When the WT organization decided to suspend public worship globally, it immediately looked to me that the first half of this huge prophetic marker had happened. Much later, after the infamous update 6, I found Robert's site, and that he had written the same.
Of course, some would say that worship continued on Zoom. But from the perspective of someone outside the organization, it's like Jehovah's Witnesses had vanished from the face of the earth. The door-to-door, global public preaching work that we were famous for was stopped overnight and everywhere. Two years later, kingdom and assembly hall meetings still haven't resumed, at least nothing like they used to be.
Hi David, I’ve been writing a mini book on the organisation’s growth problems 1914 and some solutions. Being in truth since late 1970’s and seeing as you said the gb failure most especially since covid . I am getting to the end times but you refer in you extended comments . Your clarity and expression of this whole picture of events is gifted . The Kabbalah bits are good to review to get a overall picture. Even Russell had the all seeing eye and the pyramid on the books. . This is really good work perhaps you are willing for me to use this in my writings as a contribution since you are dealing with this prophecy much better than I could . Thank you from Paz 😀👍
 
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Nomex

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I believe those demons were prohibited from taking human form anymore:
I am well aware of those two scriptures, those are the two that the WT uses to claim the demons cannot materialize bodies, but if you read what even the WT says for example in the insight book it says, "apparently they cannot materialize bodies." Now obviously they have not done that since the flood, however I do not think those scriptures really say anything specifically with regards to the restrictions on their abilities. For example, where it says,
cast them down to hell [tartarus] and delivered them into chains of darkness reserved for judgment
this reminds of scriptures like the one where it says "Jehovah hardened the heart of Pharaoh" I'm convinced all that means is Jehovah allows their imperfect and wicked inclinations to control their thoughts and actions. In this case the term "darkness" simply refers to the fact that what they did was an unforgivable sin and that when they sinned, that delivered them into this judgement state of permanent darkness. And again with the scripture in Jude,
these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day
My argument is simply this, I think they did what they wanted to do prior to the flood, but about 5000 years too soon, and because Jehovah allowed them to do it back then, what I am basically saying is all we really know about them, is Jehovah has not allowed them to do what they did before the flood on a large scale since then, however, I do believe they may have done it on a small scale after the flood. If you look at the family of Goliath, they were all giants and the giants in the bible had 6 fingers, and toes on each hand and foot. (12) And giantism, is not something that would be a family trait that 3 brothers as in the case of the Goliath family would have. If yo0u read the account of the 12 spies, and read what Caleb says in response, he never denies that their were "Nephilim" in the land on Canaan, and we know for a fact that their were giants there. Caleb just says, that "Jehovah would deliver them into the hands of the Israelites."

Of course this is this is pure speculation, but I think it is absolutely based on some good evidence. If you've heard of Steve Qualye he's written extensively about giants and I think some of his thoughts of the matter make a lot of sense...and some is pure drivel, LOL, "the demons are disembodied spirits of the Nephilim" of course because they believe in an immortal soul. But some of his other thoughts on the subject are very thought provoking.
 
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