UN COVID DEATH COUNT AT JW.ORG

4JahandChrist

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Howdy Folks. This has already come up on Spicey's other thread ( Link to Spicey's Thread )but I just wanted to quickly post it as a separate thread as it is Front and Centre on the JW.ORG site. (Link to JW.ORG Article) We get quite a number of lurkers on site or other Brother's drifting past from Google searches and I didn't want them to miss this topic with it being submersed in another thread. (Link to Watchman Article)

The thing with running the UN Death Count like the Society has just done on their Main Page is that out of the all the controversies around Covid the Death Count is the easiest to disprove since World Leaders themselves are saying that it is misleading. Not fringe Conspiracy Theorists but World Leaders and World Health Experts are saying the Covid Death Count is INFLATED not DEFLATED.

Compare the following quote from JW.ORG with their reference to the World Health Organization to the quote from Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison on the same topic. This in my opinion is clear cut evidence of JW.ORG cherry picking data and engaging in spurious and bias Journalism/Reporting.

So here is the Official Quote on the Death Count from the Society on their Main Page.

6 Million COVID Deaths—What Does the Bible Say?​


According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of May 23, 2022, 6.27 million people have died as a result of COVID-19. However, in a news release published on May 5, 2022, the WHO estimated the number of deaths to be far greater. It noted that during 2020 and 2021, “the full death toll associated directly or indirectly with the COVID-19 pandemic . . . was approximately 14.9 million.” Does the Bible say anything about such heartbreaking tragedies?

Just 2 Weeks after that statistic was released from the UN the Australian Prime Minister stated in relation to the Covid Death Toll on May 19th that many of the Covid Deaths did not die as a result of Covid but died of other causes.

This is in direct opposition to the notion that the Covid Death Toll was higher than to be believed as stated by the Society. Following is the Australian PM's Official quote on the Covid Death Count. Again please note that this quote came one week before the Society posted the UN quote on their Website.

“What you see when you have case numbers of that level is that people, when they pass away from many other causes, they will die with Covid, and their deaths are recorded as Covid deaths – but that doesn’t necessarily mean … that they passed away because of Covid, that’s a very different proposition.”

Morrison said the premiers, chief medical officer and health authorities also recognised that distinction.


The World has seen the complete Fanaticism that has occurred in Australia surrounding Covid. They have seen Health Ministers and State Premiers acting like Cult Leaders and Dictators and here we have the Australian Prime Minister announcing to the World that "Premiers, Chief Medical Officers and Health Authorites" were fully aware that the Covid Death Count data was misleading and creating unnecessary fear.

Leading up to the Australian Vaccine Roll Out this information was deliberately and wilfully held back from the Australian Public. The PM, State Premiers, Health Ministers and advisors were more than happy to use the fallacious Covid Death Toll to create Fear to induce the Public to take the Vaccine.

But now the Public have taken the Vaccine they are effectively saying "Hey, you know all those Covid Deaths we were talking about during 2020 and 2021 so you'd all get scared and rush in for the Jab.....many of them didn't die from Covid at all".

That begs the question then ..... how accurate was the Societies' Jehovah's Witness Covid Death Count? How many of those Brothers died "WITH" Covid rather than "FROM" Covid?

The fact that this distinction has not been made by the Society is highly suggestive of Negligence, Coercion and Manipulation. At the very least their presentation of the Covid Death Count has been strained, tenuous and disingenuous when we consider that many of our Brothers chose to get vaccinated based on the Societies one sided presentation of the data.

Here is a copy of the Full Article on the Australian PM's explanation on how Covid Deaths are being recorded so you can see his above mentioned quote in context. (quote is at the bottom of the page...but the whole article supports that quote)

PM dismisses need for more measures to limit Covid deaths, suggesting Australians are dying with, not of, the virus​

Scott Morrison says Australia is now ‘living with Covid’ as nation records one of the highest transmission rates in the world

02:39
Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese pressed on Covid approach as infections and deaths rise – video

Paul Karp
@Paul_Karp
Wed 18 May 2022 12.19 AEST


Scott Morrison brushed off the need for further measures to curtail Australia’s ongoing high rates of Covid-19 transmission and deaths, and suggested many Australians are dying with, not of, Covid.
Morrison told reporters on Wednesday medical advice does not currently support a fourth Covid vaccine for the general population and asserted, without evidence, that Labor under Anthony Albanese may return to lockdowns to combat Covid.

Morrison has leaned heavily on Australia’s record combating Covid in his campaign for re-election by citing low deaths in the first two years of the pandemic, when the country’s borders were shut to the world.
Prime minister Scott Morrison holds a vial of AstraZeneca vaccine during a visit to the CSL serum lab
Factcheck: Scott Morrison says Australia is a world leader in Covid recovery. Is he right?
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But after just 2,239 deaths in 2020 and 2021, Australia now has one of the highest Covid transmission rates per capita in the world, with 5,633 deaths so far this year alone and a seven-day average of 45 deaths a day.
Despite the worsening figures, Morrison has argued as recently as 20 April that the “pandemic has now passed” because Australians are now “living with Covid”, as the Coalition seeks votes from minor party voters disillusioned with extensive health restrictions.
Asked on Wednesday if the death toll was acceptable and what he was doing to curtail it, Morrison said that “every single one of these deaths, from the outset of this pandemic, is a terrible loss”.
“As the number of cases has risen, that’s what was always going to happen – as part of the national plan that we put together with the states and territories, the case numbers would rise, and there were some 53,000 [cases] yesterday,” he told reporters in Armstrong Creek.
“What you see when you have case numbers of that level is that people, when they pass away from many other causes, they will die with Covid, and their deaths are recorded as Covid deaths – but that doesn’t necessarily mean … that they passed away because of Covid, that’s a very different proposition.”
Morrison said the premiers, chief medical officer and health authorities also recognised that distinction.
 
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4JahandChrist

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WT went from illogical, impractical and strange to negligent, coercive and manipulative in one fake-news headline. Nice work, WT.
Another Forum member said to me recently "If a House Wife like me could find all the info on the Covid Sham then don't tell me that the Society weren't aware of it".

In our interconnected World Ignorance can't be rolled out as an excuse for JW.ORG only presenting one side of the Issue. They clearly are privy to both sides and are only presenting one view........the Globalists.
 

יהוה_saves

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Another Forum member said to me recently "If a House Wife like me could find all the info on the Covid Sham then don't tell me that the Society weren't aware of it".

In our interconnected World Ignorance can't be rolled out as an excuse for JW.ORG only presenting one side of the Issue. They clearly are privy to both sides and are only presenting one view........the Globalists.
the question remains- why? There are two possibilities 1) the Gov Body is being coerced against its will 2) The Gov Body is corrupted and have been for a very long time.

Assuming it’s the latter- the only thing that could corrupt them so badly is very large amounts of cash.

Those who control the central banks (aka globalists, imperialists) can and do print massive amounts daily to fund schemes just like this. It’s how they capture institutions, rig elections, wage extra judicial wars, capture media and academia and so on.

Hey Tony, Stephen, Mark, Geoff, Ken, Sam, David, Gerrit!!’ How much did you guys get for Jehovah’s people? Was it worth it?
 

4JahandChrist

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the question remains- why? There are two possibilities 1) the Gov Body is being coerced against its will 2) The Gov Body is corrupted and have been for a very long time.

Assuming it’s the latter- the only thing that could corrupt them so badly is very large amounts of cash.

Those who control the central banks (aka globalists, imperialists) can and do print massive amounts daily to fund schemes just like this. It’s how they capture institutions, rig elections, wage extra judicial wars, capture media and academia and so on.

Hey Tony, Stephen, Mark, Geoff, Ken, Sam, David, Gerrit!!’ How much did you guys get for Jehovah’s people? Was it worth it?
One possible reason is that they may not personally be stuffing cash in their pockets but by receiving certain Tax breaks and cash incentives for the Organization as a Corporation they are feeding the machine that is promoting them as individuals.

As the Org shifts more to a Tele Evangelist style of preaching if you like being front and centre of that machine then you will take any incentive or make compromises to keep the Organizational Star rising. In other words if they are becoming an Idol then they are going to want to keep polishing that Idol.

Btw...that's pure speculation on my part. Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
 

Ms_ladyblue

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One possible reason is that they may not personally be stuffing cash in their pockets but by receiving certain Tax breaks and cash incentives for the Organization as a Corporation they are feeding the machine that is promoting them as individuals.

As the Org shifts more to a Tele Evangelist style of preaching if you like being front and centre of that machine then you will take any incentive or make compromises to keep the Organizational Star rising. In other words if they are becoming an Idol then they are going to want to keep polishing that Idol.

Btw...that's pure speculation on my part. Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
4JahandChrist
Nevertheless, maybe they’re not personally stuffing cash in their pockets, they are still making the BIG BUCKS, stuffing it somewhere. I believe they’re polishing that idol up good…I hate to say it but the devil is in the details.

Btw, for the sake of argument…that’s speculation on my part too, Just thinking out loud. 🤔
 
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Nomex

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the question remains- why? There are two possibilities
Actually there is a 3rd. Power. They are drunk not just from Scotch but power. If they had presented the facts as they really were, then the decision of each family head who have been their own. But that is not what they did at all. They strong armed the entire brotherhood, and still are. "Masks are strongly encouraged." So anyone who believes "obedience is better than sacrifice", the rank and file's favorite term to describe why they can't and won't make their own decisions, imagine the intoxication of having 8.5 million people just blindly follow your every decree!!!!!!
 

יהוה_saves

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Actually there is a 3rd. Power. They are drunk not just from Scotch but power. If they had presented the facts as they really were, then the decision of each family head who have been their own. But that is not what they did at all. They strong armed the entire brotherhood, and still are. "Masks are strongly encouraged." So anyone who believes "obedience is better than sacrifice", the rank and file's favorite term to describe why they can't and won't make their own decisions, imagine the intoxication of having 8.5 million people just blindly follow your every decree!!!!!!
there’s a fourth, @Nomex. and this fourth reason is bad. it’s so bad that i can’t even say it here.

I’ll text you.

Not that it is private - i would say it to anybody- we are all friends- brothers and sisters here.

I just cannot bring myself to say it on a public forum because it’s that bad and I believe 100% that this fourth reason is the primary reason that motivates this GB above all else. It draws in the money, power, fame as what the GB would perceive as benefits.

stand by for PM-
 
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SusanB

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there’s a fourth, @Nomex. and this fourth reason is bad. it’s so bad that i can’t even say it here.

I’ll text you.

Not that it is private - i would say it to anybody- we are all friends- brothers and sisters here.

I just cannot bring myself to say it on a public forum because it’s that bad and I believe 100% that this fourth reason is the primary reason that motivates this GB above all else. It draws in the money, power, fame as what the GB would perceive as benefits.

stand by for PM-
I’m curious. Invite me!
 

BillyRay

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there’s a fourth, @Nomex. and this fourth reason is bad. it’s so bad that i can’t even say it here.

I’ll text you.

Not that it is private - i would say it to anybody- we are all friends- brothers and sisters here.

I just cannot bring myself to say it on a public forum because it’s that bad and I believe 100% that this fourth reason is the primary reason that motivates this GB above all else. It draws in the money, power, fame as what the GB would perceive as benefits.

stand by for PM-
If you'd say it to anybody, just go ahead and post it. I'd be curious to hear it. Like you said, we're all friends, brothers and sisters.
 

Truthseeker

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there’s a fourth, @Nomex. and this fourth reason is bad. it’s so bad that i can’t even say it here.

I’ll text you.

Not that it is private - i would say it to anybody- we are all friends- brothers and sisters here.

I just cannot bring myself to say it on a public forum because it’s that bad and I believe 100% that this fourth reason is the primary reason that motivates this GB above all else. It draws in the money, power, fame as what the GB would perceive as benefits.

stand by for PM-
Please pm/ inform me about about the fourth reason....Nomex?
 

SusanB

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Personally, I came to the conclusion the GB is part of the NWO (globalists), therefore helping with the depopulation agenda. It's a pretty perfect scam, because most of the JWs will follow the GB's orders as if they were given by Jehovah himself!
Plus if they initially were unwittingly assisting the depop plan, they certainly know now and yet no backtracking. That is called evidence.
 

יהוה_saves

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Personally, I came to the conclusion the GB is part of the NWO (globalists), therefore helping with the depopulation agenda. It's a pretty perfect scam, because most of the JWs will follow the GB's orders as if they were given by Jehovah himself!
i completely agree. They certainly are globalists and promote the globalist, Imperialist, Malthusian agenda.
 
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