Veil lifted on possible mark? Biometric ID needed in Iran for food.

Sunshower

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Ice age farmer just posted this interesting video. It’s getting clearer and clearer what the mark will be.
I wonder what the GB will give as advise when it’s implemented in the West. Probably: “Take it, it’s advice from God”

Anyway, if you’re not prepping already, better start stocking up on food while there is still time.

 

Nomex

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Ice age farmer just posted this interesting video. It’s getting clearer and clearer what the mark will be.
I wonder what the GB will give as advise when it’s implemented in the West. Probably: “Take it, it’s advice from God”

Anyway, if you’re not prepping already, better start stocking up on food while there is still time.

I'm leaning toward the belief that it will be some kind of pledge of allegiance to the 8th King that will be the actual "Mark", I just thought of this while typing...perhaps it could be something they implement in advance of that, and in order to keep your digital ID you have to pledge allegiance to the "Image of the beast"
 

Sunshower

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I'm leaning toward the belief that it will be some kind of pledge of allegiance to the 8th King that will be the actual "Mark", I just thought of this while typing...perhaps it could be something they implement in advance of that, and in order to keep your digital ID you have to pledge allegiance to the "Image of the beast"
I thought about that too, but wouldn’t that be too obvious? But if true, could the mark and the disgusting thing that causes desolation possibly be the same thing?
 

BagdadBill

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I thought about that too, but wouldn’t that be too obvious? But if true, could the mark and the disgusting thing that causes desolation possibly be the same thing?
I feel that we are about to find out. As far as whether a thing is obvious, at least half of this world is openly evil. They don't hide it. I have believed for quite a few years that it would be some form of ID but I hadn't determined it would be digital or whatever. They have been pushing hard toward digital ID since 9-11. I just got a second email from my motor vehicle department / state government telling me I won't be able to fly if I don't get one. I would never get on a plane ever again after they forced the pilots to get jabbed. Dying is one thing but thinking about it as you plunge 20,000 feet to the earth in a matter of a few minutes is quite another.
I never would have guessed Iran to kick off this program but I believe this is two things rolled into one. China is running out of food or they are trying to make sure they save enough for the rich and important people, so they lock the common slaves in their own homes supposedly for covid. Now Iran is playing the same game. I would bet money they are running out of food.
 

Nomex

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I thought about that too, but wouldn’t that be too obvious?
After the miraculous revival from the death blow that the 7th King receives which then becomes the 8th King, all the peoples of the world will look on in adoration and awe and Satan will have achieved his one world government he's been trying to install since the Tower of Babel! He will deceive large numbers of people into believing this 8th King is a benevolent savior of mankind, possibly even deceiving some into thinking the 8th King is actually the beginning of the Thousand Year reign of Jesus. Most JW's think that's already happened and many have no idea there is actually a difference between the GT, and Armageddon. And no wonder when the GB is completely dishonest and clearly lying, claiming adhering to the governments edicts is following Jesus.
But if true, could the mark and the disgusting thing that causes desolation possibly be the same thing?
That I will have to think about!
 

Sunshower

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I feel that we are about to find out. As far as whether a thing is obvious, at least half of this world is openly evil. They don't hide it. I have believed for quite a few years that it would be some form of ID but I hadn't determined it would be digital or whatever. They have been pushing hard toward digital ID since 9-11. I just got a second email from my motor vehicle department / state government telling me I won't be able to fly if I don't get one. I would never get on a plane ever again after they forced the pilots to get jabbed. Dying is one thing but thinking about it as you plunge 20,000 feet to the earth in a matter of a few minutes is quite another.
I never would have guessed Iran to kick off this program but I believe this is two things rolled into one. China is running out of food or they are trying to make sure they save enough for the rich and important people, so they lock the common slaves in their own homes supposedly for covid. Now Iran is playing the same game. I would bet money they are running out of food.
China has bought up much of the grain, corn and other reserves in the past years. Don’t get fooled, they have plenty of food.

The situation in Shanghai seems to have the “added benefit” of ships stranded at their harbour that are meant for the US. You guys are being starved by your own government. After the baby formula shortage I heard you don’t have potatoes, yet Mexico imported potatoes from the US this year for the first time in 25 years.

Another thing with Shanghai and another port being in lockdown is that no technological parts can be shipped to the US. And while Biden is giving Ukraine military support, the US is running out of equipment and need to produce more, but can’t.

The whole situation in Shanghai has nothing to do with Covid but with chaos. Order out of chaos it says on the 1 dollar bill, right? That has been the plan all along. Create chaos and then built back better.
 

SusanB

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I thought about that too, but wouldn’t that be too obvious? But if true, could the mark and the disgusting thing that causes desolation possibly be the same thing?
From my understanding the “disgusting thing” appears either just prior to or at the beginning if the Great Tribulation, see Matthew 24:15-22: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”

However, the mark of the beast will be issued by the 8th King/beast, which won’t appear until the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13 gets its mortal wound that is then healed. The appearance of the 8th King/wild beath happens after the Great Tribulation is cut short, according to how I read Revelation 13. The way I understand it, this is the period of the 42 months when people will have to choose God’s Kingdom or Satan’s rulership as expressed through the 8th King/wild beast.
 

Jess

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From my understanding the “disgusting thing” appears either just prior to or at the beginning if the Great Tribulation, see Matthew 24:15-22: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”

However, the mark of the beast will be issued by the 8th King/beast, which won’t appear until the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13 gets its mortal wound that is then healed. The appearance of the 8th King/wild beath happens after the Great Tribulation is cut short, according to how I read Revelation 13. The way I understand it, this is the period of the 42 months when people will have to choose God’s Kingdom or Satan’s rulership as expressed through the 8th King/wild beast.
Need to print this out and tape it to the inside of my Bible or write it on my hand until I fully retain it 🤪
 

Ms_ladyblue

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From my understanding the “disgusting thing” appears either just prior to or at the beginning if the Great Tribulation, see Matthew 24:15-22: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”

However, the mark of the beast will be issued by the 8th King/beast, which won’t appear until the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13 gets its mortal wound that is then healed. The appearance of the 8th King/wild beath happens after the Great Tribulation is cut short, according to how I read Revelation 13. The way I understand it, this is the period of the 42 months when people will have to choose God’s Kingdom or Satan’s rulership as expressed through the 8th King/wild beast.
@Driven At Matthew 24:16 was Jesus also referring to God’s people in our day? If so how do we “flee” when this event takes place? Any thoughts?
 

SusanB

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@Driven At Matthew 24:16 was Jesus also referring to God’s people in our day? If so how do we “flee” when this event takes place? Any thoughts?

Here is Brother Robert Kings article, which I think will answer your question.

 

Nomex

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The appearance of the 8th King/wild beath happens after the Great Tribulation is cut short, according to how I read Revelation 13. The way I understand it, this is the period of the 42 months when people will have to choose God’s Kingdom or Satan’s rulership as expressed through the 8th King/wild beast.
Beautifully said! I concur! The reason Jehovah stopped Satan in the past, prior to the Flood and at the Tower of Babel... let me explain it this way....Satan was trying to "game the system"...he knew he had a better chance at winning if he "cheated"...Jehovah allowed it to a point...and then stopped it. First he tried a supernatural invasion, with everything that goes with "gods' invading the earth. Jehovah brought the flood. Then Satan thought, because he is so much smarter than everyone else...except of course Jehovah, he'd set up a world government that he controlled.

What's the scripture say, "they can do anything"....I'll find it later, but the point is, this is what Satan was up to even back then, now Jehovah is going to allow his "vision" to come to fruition. But now it will be opposed by the anointed who have been sealed! And that is what Satan has been trying to stop! He failed with Jesus, but maybe, just maybe, he can "turn" Christs brothers!
 

SusanB

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Beautifully said! I concur! The reason Jehovah stopped Satan in the past, prior to the Flood and at the Tower of Babel... let me explain it this way....Satan was trying to "game the system"...he knew he had a better chance at winning if he "cheated"...Jehovah allowed it to a point...and then stopped it. First he tried a supernatural invasion, with everything that goes with "gods' invading the earth. Jehovah brought the flood. Then Satan thought, because he is so much smarter than everyone else...except of course Jehovah, he'd set up a world government that he controlled.

What's the scripture say, "they can do anything"....I'll find it later, but the point is, this is what Satan was up to even back then, now Jehovah is going to allow his "vision" to come to fruition. But now it will be opposed by the anointed who have been sealed! And that is what Satan has been trying to stop! He failed with Jesus, but maybe, just maybe, he can "turn" Christs brothers!
Great points.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Here is Brother Robert Kings article, which I think will answer your question.

@Driven In reading this article it states “Did not Jesus indicate that even in the larger fulfillment Christians will be required to take decisive action to flee from the danger zone when the disgusting thing stands where it ought not?“ So the answer to my original question as stated in the article lies in Matthew 24: 17-22 Then the article goes on to say “That the admonition applies to Christians in the future and not merely those living in Judaea in the first century is evident from the span of verses immediately following where Jesus went on to say….in verses 23-28.
I understand what these scriptures are stating….but how is it that this explains we are to flee?
 

SusanB

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@Driven In reading this article it states “Did not Jesus indicate that even in the larger fulfillment Christians will be required to take decisive action to flee from the danger zone when the disgusting thing stands where it ought not?“ So the answer to my original question as stated in the article lies in Matthew 24: 17-22 Then the article goes on to say “That the admonition applies to Christians in the future and not merely those living in Judaea in the first century is evident from the span of verses immediately following where Jesus went on to say….in verses 23-28.
I understand what these scriptures are stating….but how is it that this explains we are to flee?
I’m going to do a bit of research, however, the cross reference is interesting too at Luke 21:21-23: “Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people.”

So Luke speaks of 3 different situations. One is those in Judea, the 2nd is those in the midst of her and the third is those in the countryside. It cannot be a literal fleeing from a physical location as it was in the first century. Perhaps someone else on the forum can chime in. Otherwise I’ll do a bit of research and see what I come up with.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Beautifully said! I concur! The reason Jehovah stopped Satan in the past, prior to the Flood and at the Tower of Babel... let me explain it this way....Satan was trying to "game the system"...he knew he had a better chance at winning if he "cheated"...Jehovah allowed it to a point...and then stopped it. First he tried a supernatural invasion, with everything that goes with "gods' invading the earth. Jehovah brought the flood. Then Satan thought, because he is so much smarter than everyone else...except of course Jehovah, he'd set up a world government that he controlled.

What's the scripture say, "they can do anything"....I'll find it later, but the point is, this is what Satan was up to even back then, now Jehovah is going to allow his "vision" to come to fruition. But now it will be opposed by the anointed who have been sealed! And that is what Satan has been trying to stop! He failed with Jesus, but maybe, just maybe, he can "turn" Christs brothers!
@Nomex That’s Genesis 11:6 When I read this scripture years ago I was thinking what Jehovah meant by this was that if he would’ve allowed them to remain there together in one place, all speaking the same language they would probably have advanced way beyond what we see today but before the time of the Messiah which would’ve interfered with God’s purpose.

We see the wisdom of God’s decision in doing this because of what we see man doing now with the advancement of technology and how translation of language being so much easier now. I was fascinated by this understanding because it helped me to understand why Jehovah confused the languages back then when he did.
 

BagdadBill

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Beautifully said! I concur! The reason Jehovah stopped Satan in the past, prior to the Flood and at the Tower of Babel... let me explain it this way....Satan was trying to "game the system"...he knew he had a better chance at winning if he "cheated"...Jehovah allowed it to a point...and then stopped it. First he tried a supernatural invasion, with everything that goes with "gods' invading the earth. Jehovah brought the flood. Then Satan thought, because he is so much smarter than everyone else...except of course Jehovah, he'd set up a world government that he controlled.

What's the scripture say, "they can do anything"....I'll find it later, but the point is, this is what Satan was up to even back then, now Jehovah is going to allow his "vision" to come to fruition. But now it will be opposed by the anointed who have been sealed! And that is what Satan has been trying to stop! He failed with Jesus, but maybe, just maybe, he can "turn" Christs brothers!
Satan sounds a lot like Yuval Harari. He thinks they can override death and surpass the Creator. Even after 6000 years, the lies still sound the same don't they.
 

BagdadBill

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@Nomex That’s Genesis 11:6 When I read this scripture years ago I was thinking what Jehovah meant by this was that if he would’ve allowed them to remain there together in one place, all speaking the same language they would probably have advanced way beyond what we see today but before the time of the Messiah which would’ve interfered with God’s purpose.

We see the wisdom of God’s decision in doing this because of what we see man doing now with the advancement of technology and how translation of language being so much easier now. I was fascinated by this understanding because it helped me to understand why Jehovah confused the languages back then when he did.
My father in law who has passed away now, liked to mention this obvious but not stated truth. God had enough faith in his design of his creation (us) that he knew he had to hold us back. Imagine creativity and invention on a Godly scale.
 
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