Whats up with Monkey Pox??

Medi-tator

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Soul,

I agree with your sentiments. We should be grieved to see what has happened to our dear friends who are ultimately Jahs sheep whom he paid a high price for.

I have trouble grieving for the org because I feel that at least some at the top know full well what they are doing and don't care at all. That infuriates me! And those who are just going along to get along are not much better. I know that many honest, concerned brothers have written to Bethel with concerns and documentation proving the dangers of the injections early on. The GB obviously arrogantly ignored those warnings, leading the entire association of brothers into lethal danger. That is despicable.

As I've stated before in other threads, many of the friends in my area expressed strong concerns with the injections when they were first introduced. I'm convinced that they would have refrained from accepting if not for the GB updates. I personally know 3 families ( mine included ) who were not swayed by the propaganda. We did our research and held our ground and happy we did. Everyone had the opportunity and responsibility to research for themselves. The information was out there all along. It was accessible and easy to find. Just took a bit of discernment.

I've come to the conclusion, that if one is too lazy to search and prefers to delegate that responsibility to others, then one deserves to deal with the consequences of such laziness. This is the sad situation of most JW's today. They are simply lazy and asleep, under the hypnotic spell of the GB. That is a willful choice in most cases due to the Bibles clear, repeated warnings to the contrary.

As for the GB's update announcing their error in strongly recommending the now discredited AZ and JJ concoctions, don't hold your breath. But I would "strongly recommend" that you write them a letter asking these vital questions. They need to be confronted with these facts.

Speaking of letters, I finally took my wife's advise and did just that. A 5 page letter was sent last week including the very questions you posed about the discredited AZ and JJ products and when we should expect an apologetic update. Do you think Ill get a reply? My wife is confident that they care deeply and will respond. I'm not holding my breath and she may be in for a surprise when it backfires and I end up in the cry room with the Elders with some "splaining" to do..time will tell.
Aloha my beloved brother Jah-son!

Great Post!! I just want to address the last paragraph regarding the letter and whether or not you will get a reply. It is my limited opinion that the committee member who reads your letter will reply out of general courtesy, but the response will be without any remorseful language, not even a slight hint of admission of guilt. I say that, not out of greedy antagonistic arrogance or extreme cynicism on my part, considering my level of rage toward the GB at the moment. I am saying it out of the knowledge of the prophecies as contained in the Bible which simply do not state anything about the Org having any attitude of repentance whatsoever. So, in the most plain spoken language possible, based solely on the written prophetic word, you will NOT receive a reply with an apologetic tone in it. Your wife, God love her, is unfortunately being hopeful but is wrong in her assumption that they "care deeply". I wish I was wrong. Strong work bro in writing them a letter! That is super awesome!!
 

Jah-son

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Aloha my beloved brother Jah-son!

Great Post!! I just want to address the last paragraph regarding the letter and whether or not you will get a reply. It is my limited opinion that the committee member who reads your letter will reply out of general courtesy, but the response will be without any remorseful language, not even a slight hint of admission of guilt. I say that, not out of greedy antagonistic arrogance or extreme cynicism on my part, considering my level of rage toward the GB at the moment. I am saying it out of the knowledge of the prophecies as contained in the Bible which simply do not state anything about the Org having any attitude of repentance whatsoever. So, in the most plain spoken language possible, based solely on the written prophetic word, you will NOT receive a reply with an apologetic tone in it. Your wife, God love her, is unfortunately being hopeful but is wrong in her assumption that they "care deeply". I wish I was wrong. Strong work bro in writing them a letter! That is super awesome!!
Thanks for the encouragement bro. I realized a while back that they would never admit their error after realizing that they never really have in the past and their goal is to look pretty and flawless in front of the congregants and nations. Humility is not on the radar. But you make a good point about this being confirmed by lack of prophecy regarding remorse. The letter was partly to placate the wifey and partly therapy for myself. I was able to respectfully put down in writing my feelings and questions about their handling of the plandemic. I laid out the events as they unfolded for me and showed them how they affected the brothers in the local congregation.
At the end of the day, Jehovah was able to read the letter and the GB were put on notice that I for one do not approve of the despicable behavior. In that way, I'm hoping to be counted among those "sighing and groaning". I actually feel more at peace now with the situation. Kind of like when therapists encourage abused children to write a letter to their abuser (even if the abuser never acknowledges).
Reading about the letter that you amd Driven posed to your local congregation was also motivating.

I'll leave you with a few sample paragraphs if interested:


I have to wonder, how does an organization tied to Jehovah’s Holy, untarnished name, strongly recommend products to Jehovah’s precious sheep (my personal friends and family) that have such known risky “side effects” and clearly have no long term safety data? As of this week, the Johnson and Johnson injection has met the fate of the Astra Zeneca product, being severely restricted by the U.S. FDA due to it’s well known serious and deadly blood clotting issues. Were these products included in the direction that “our brothers'' received from Jehovah? How does this affect his Holy name? Was any of this considered prior to the strong suggestions of the Governing Body? I would like to know just what “our brothers” researched?


Did the Sovereign of the Universe not know that all of these never before utilized genetic technologies carried so many serious, life threatening issues? Recently the U.S. court system has ordered pharmaceutical giant Pfizer to release large portions of their clinical trial data, which they were attempting to conceal. I’m sure “our brothers” are aware of these recent releases. The findings are abhorrent!


Those of us who discerned the danger of these death dealing injections (which were clearly killing and maiming people early on) and proceeded to conceal ourselves, were met with disdain from fellow worshipers, claiming that we must follow the “direction of the slave” and “roll up our sleaves”. If any expressed concern, they were labeled as “disobedient to the slave”. Some brothers even went so far as to imply that such ones would “forgo everlasting life” as a result of their “disobedience to the slave”. Where did such a spirit of brazen, unscriptural contempt for fellow believers come from? Again, I was shocked! Did not Jesus warn us that we are all Brothers?
 

SusanB

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Thanks for the encouragement bro. I realized a while back that they would never admit their error after realizing that they never really have in the past and their goal is to look pretty and flawless in front of the congregants and nations. Humility is not on the radar. But you make a good point about this being confirmed by lack of prophecy regarding remorse. The letter was partly to placate the wifey and partly therapy for myself. I was able to respectfully put down in writing my feelings and questions about their handling of the plandemic. I laid out the events as they unfolded for me and showed them how they affected the brothers in the local congregation.
At the end of the day, Jehovah was able to read the letter and the GB were put on notice that I for one do not approve of the despicable behavior. In that way, I'm hoping to be counted among those "sighing and groaning". I actually feel more at peace now with the situation. Kind of like when therapists encourage abused children to write a letter to their abuser (even if the abuser never acknowledges).
Reading about the letter that you amd Driven posed to your local congregation was also motivating.

I'll leave you with a few sample paragraphs if interested:


I have to wonder, how does an organization tied to Jehovah’s Holy, untarnished name, strongly recommend products to Jehovah’s precious sheep (my personal friends and family) that have such known risky “side effects” and clearly have no long term safety data? As of this week, the Johnson and Johnson injection has met the fate of the Astra Zeneca product, being severely restricted by the U.S. FDA due to it’s well known serious and deadly blood clotting issues. Were these products included in the direction that “our brothers'' received from Jehovah? How does this affect his Holy name? Was any of this considered prior to the strong suggestions of the Governing Body? I would like to know just what “our brothers” researched?


Did the Sovereign of the Universe not know that all of these never before utilized genetic technologies carried so many serious, life threatening issues? Recently the U.S. court system has ordered pharmaceutical giant Pfizer to release large portions of their clinical trial data, which they were attempting to conceal. I’m sure “our brothers” are aware of these recent releases. The findings are abhorrent!


Those of us who discerned the danger of these death dealing injections (which were clearly killing and maiming people early on) and proceeded to conceal ourselves, were met with disdain from fellow worshipers, claiming that we must follow the “direction of the slave” and “roll up our sleaves”. If any expressed concern, they were labeled as “disobedient to the slave”. Some brothers even went so far as to imply that such ones would “forgo everlasting life” as a result of their “disobedience to the slave”. Where did such a spirit of brazen, unscriptural contempt for fellow believers come from? Again, I was shocked! Did not Jesus warn us that we are all Brothers?
Wow. Well done. I am so proud of you.
 

Nomex

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I have to wonder, how does an organization tied to Jehovah’s Holy, untarnished name, strongly recommend products to Jehovah’s precious sheep (my personal friends and family) that have such known risky “side effects” and clearly have no long term safety data? As of this week, the Johnson and Johnson injection has met the fate of the Astra Zeneca product, being severely restricted by the U.S. FDA due to it’s well known serious and deadly blood clotting issues. Were these products included in the direction that “our brothers'' received from Jehovah? How does this affect his Holy name? Was any of this considered prior to the strong suggestions of the Governing Body? I would like to know just what “our brothers” researched?


Did the Sovereign of the Universe not know that all of these never before utilized genetic technologies carried so many serious, life threatening issues? Recently the U.S. court system has ordered pharmaceutical giant Pfizer to release large portions of their clinical trial data, which they were attempting to conceal. I’m sure “our brothers” are aware of these recent releases. The findings are abhorrent!


Those of us who discerned the danger of these death dealing injections (which were clearly killing and maiming people early on) and proceeded to conceal ourselves, were met with disdain from fellow worshipers, claiming that we must follow the “direction of the slave” and “roll up our sleaves”. If any expressed concern, they were labeled as “disobedient to the slave”. Some brothers even went so far as to imply that such ones would “forgo everlasting life” as a result of their “disobedience to the slave”. Where did such a spirit of brazen, unscriptural contempt for fellow believers come from? Again, I was shocked! Did not Jesus warn us that we are all Brothers?
Excellent, absolutely excellent! I think mine will be in a similar vein, I think I have painted a pretty clear picture of what mine letter will look like. I think I'll start mine with the bogus claim of how many brothers died of Covid, by asking how many of them were 70-80? and quote the scripture, and point out, I immediately knew these numbers were dishonest because context is king! Without qualifying the number it's meaningless. And even if 25,000 brothers died of Covid, that is still only 1/3 of once percent of 8.5 million brothers, and that everyone dies in this system, and what we need is not a vaccine but God's system. Oh I will add this gem, if only one brother died from taking this vaccine becasue they were pursueded to sdo so by the GB updates, they are bloodguilty! OK, not sure how far I will go, becasue I'm not sure i want to get DF'd but that's how I feel.
 
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Jah-son

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Never heard it called that, made me laugh out loud. I think I will have to send a letter too, not looking forward to it, but not sure I will be left with any other choice. I won't be indulging them however by participating in their farce in "the cry room."
Yeah, that's what they call the "second school or library portion of the halls here. Its mainly due to the fact that young children are often seated there but it seems to have duel meaning in that its typically the place where one tends to get counseled by the elders (and cry). Its funny because a lot of the traditional Calypso music here contains lyrics with double meanings also.
 

Medi-tator

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Thanks for the encouragement bro. I realized a while back that they would never admit their error after realizing that they never really have in the past and their goal is to look pretty and flawless in front of the congregants and nations. Humility is not on the radar. But you make a good point about this being confirmed by lack of prophecy regarding remorse. The letter was partly to placate the wifey and partly therapy for myself. I was able to respectfully put down in writing my feelings and questions about their handling of the plandemic. I laid out the events as they unfolded for me and showed them how they affected the brothers in the local congregation.
At the end of the day, Jehovah was able to read the letter and the GB were put on notice that I for one do not approve of the despicable behavior. In that way, I'm hoping to be counted among those "sighing and groaning". I actually feel more at peace now with the situation. Kind of like when therapists encourage abused children to write a letter to their abuser (even if the abuser never acknowledges).
Reading about the letter that you amd Driven posed to your local congregation was also motivating.

I'll leave you with a few sample paragraphs if interested:


I have to wonder, how does an organization tied to Jehovah’s Holy, untarnished name, strongly recommend products to Jehovah’s precious sheep (my personal friends and family) that have such known risky “side effects” and clearly have no long term safety data? As of this week, the Johnson and Johnson injection has met the fate of the Astra Zeneca product, being severely restricted by the U.S. FDA due to it’s well known serious and deadly blood clotting issues. Were these products included in the direction that “our brothers'' received from Jehovah? How does this affect his Holy name? Was any of this considered prior to the strong suggestions of the Governing Body? I would like to know just what “our brothers” researched?


Did the Sovereign of the Universe not know that all of these never before utilized genetic technologies carried so many serious, life threatening issues? Recently the U.S. court system has ordered pharmaceutical giant Pfizer to release large portions of their clinical trial data, which they were attempting to conceal. I’m sure “our brothers” are aware of these recent releases. The findings are abhorrent!


Those of us who discerned the danger of these death dealing injections (which were clearly killing and maiming people early on) and proceeded to conceal ourselves, were met with disdain from fellow worshipers, claiming that we must follow the “direction of the slave” and “roll up our sleaves”. If any expressed concern, they were labeled as “disobedient to the slave”. Some brothers even went so far as to imply that such ones would “forgo everlasting life” as a result of their “disobedience to the slave”. Where did such a spirit of brazen, unscriptural contempt for fellow believers come from? Again, I was shocked! Did not Jesus warn us that we are all Brothers?
Just incredible work here Jah-son!! This one is going in my archived "jewel box" where I have saved some amazing gems from Robert and others along the way. This one is, well, it shines brightly in the sun of the kingdom of your father Jah-son!!
 

Jah-son

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Oh I will add this gem, if only one brother died from taking this vaccine becasue they were pursueded to sdo so by the GB updates, they are bloodguilty! OK, not sure how far I will go, becasue I'm not sure i want to get DF'd but that's how I feel.
I suggest just laying out your personal experience and ask questions. Thats what I did. I asked about possible blood guilt. Its an honest question and concern. There's no harm in asking questions. Jehovah allowed it.
I also asked them why they didn't follow their own direction from recent publications and I quoted paragraphs that I legitimately researched to guide myself. For example:
ws15 12/15 p. 26-27

Par 13 “Today, none of our brothers can perform miracles and heal us. But because they want to help us, some might give us advice even when we do not ask for it. Of course, some suggestions are harmless. For example, Paul suggested that Timothy drink some wine. Timothy had stomach problems, possibly because he drank polluted water.* (See footnote.) (Read 1 Timothy 5:23.) But we need to be careful. A brother might try to convince us to take a certain kind of medicine or herb or to eat or avoid certain foods. He might tell us that it helped someone in his family who had a similar problem. But this does not mean that it will help us too. We must remember that even if many people use a medicine or a treatment, it may still cause a lot of harm.—Read Proverbs 27:12.”
 

Nomex

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I suggest just laying out your personal experience and ask questions.
This reminded me of something about this whole thing that I can illustrate this way. With regards to masks and respirators, not only do I read the inserts, (not lately, but I do review these things from time to time), but I have always educated myself, for example I have three different respirators I use in my business. But here's the point, there are products that are used in the body repair business and detailing, but certain detailing products are "not body shop safe" Not all manufacturers will label their products, but those who make both body shop safe products and not biody shop safe products do. A friend of mine who does the same kind of work that i do was using a "not body shop safe product" I told him, you know that stuff is not body shop safe?" He said yeah it is, (the sales rep who sold it told him it was." I said "oh really, that's what that idiot told you?" I picked up the bottle, showed him where it said, "not body shop safe" and asked him "what does that say?"

What am I getting at? I don't need some out of touch old men, who don't even know what PPE actually is, and cavilierly compare covering your mouth when you sneeze for a fraction of a split second, to putting a hanky on your face for 8 hours a day.
 

SusanB

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I suggest just laying out your personal experience and ask questions. Thats what I did. I asked about possible blood guilt. Its an honest question and concern. There's no harm in asking questions. Jehovah allowed it.
I also asked them why they didn't follow their own direction from recent publications and I quoted paragraphs that I legitimately researched to guide myself. For example:
ws15 12/15 p. 26-27

Par 13 “Today, none of our brothers can perform miracles and heal us. But because they want to help us, some might give us advice even when we do not ask for it. Of course, some suggestions are harmless. For example, Paul suggested that Timothy drink some wine. Timothy had stomach problems, possibly because he drank polluted water.* (See footnote.) (Read 1 Timothy 5:23.) But we need to be careful. A brother might try to convince us to take a certain kind of medicine or herb or to eat or avoid certain foods. He might tell us that it helped someone in his family who had a similar problem. But this does not mean that it will help us too. We must remember that even if many people use a medicine or a treatment, it may still cause a lot of harm.—Read Proverbs 27:12.”
And, there are two books that contain similar info. One reference I have handy is paragraph 12, Chapter 7 of the “How to Remain in God’s Love” book which reads: “Does Jehovah really care about our decisions in matters of conscience? Yes, he does. Jehovah is interested in our thoughts and motives. (Read Proverbs 17:3; 24:12.) Since that is the case, when we are making a decision involving medical treatment, we need to pray for Jehovah’s guidance and then research the treatment. After that, we use our Bible-trained conscience to make our decision. We should not ask others what they would do if they were in our situation, nor should others try to influence our decision. Each Christian will “carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5; Romans 14:12.
 

Nomex

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And, there are two books that contain similar info. One reference I have handy is paragraph 12, Chapter 7 of the “How to Remain in God’s Love” book which reads: “Does Jehovah really care about our decisions in matters of conscience? Yes, he does. Jehovah is interested in our thoughts and motives. (Read Proverbs 17:3; 24:12.) Since that is the case, when we are making a decision involving medical treatment, we need to pray for Jehovah’s guidance and then research the treatment. After that, we use our Bible-trained conscience to make our decision. We should not ask others what they would do if they were in our situation, nor should others try to influence our decision. Each Christian will “carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5; Romans 14:12.
It's truly remarkable how much dirt we can dig up on the WT, from their own writings! That's the Bible being held up like a mirror! Sometimes we don't like the reflection!
 

surfergirl

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Just incredible work here Jah-son!! This one is going in my archived "jewel box" where I have saved some amazing gems from Robert and others along the way. This one is, well, it shines brightly in the sun of the kingdom of your father Jah-son!!
To me personally, it seems that Jehovah keeps sending them warnings over and over again, to give them the same chance he gave the nation of Israel [ religious leaders ] - It can't be much longer ( I hope ), before justice will come to those false prophets!
 

Jah-son

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This reminded me of something about this whole thing that I can illustrate this way. With regards to masks and respirators, not only do I read the inserts, (not lately, but I do review these things from time to time), but I have always educated myself, for example I have three different respirators I use in my business. But here's the point, there are products that are used in the body repair business and detailing, but certain detailing products are "not body shop safe" Not all manufacturers will label their products, but those who make both body shop safe products and not biody shop safe products do. A friend of mine who does the same kind of work that i do was using a "not body shop safe product" I told him, you know that stuff is not body shop safe?" He said yeah it is, (the sales rep who sold it told him it was." I said "oh really, that's what that idiot told you?" I picked up the bottle, showed him where it said, "not body shop safe" and asked him "what does that say?"

What am I getting at? I don't need some out of touch old men, who don't even know what PPE actually is, and cavilierly compare covering your mouth when you sneeze for a fraction of a split second, to putting a hanky on your face for 8 hours a day.
I know what you mean. I was ready to pound my head against the wall when Losch gave that absurd rational.

Ive had first hand experiance with respirators as well. I used to do wood finishing. Ive been lacquer "drunk" on a few occasions due to poor respiration. Probably lost a few brain cells during those years.
 
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